CCP may have their very own NGE

CyberWiz · August 2009

DUST514, will only be playable on consoles, will influence sovereignty and will require a subscription.

So unless you are willing to get another account ( I normally already have 2 EVE accounts, I really don't want a third ) AND get a console, AND in my case, a new LCD TV / Monitor ( so I can attach the XBOX and the PC on the same LCD TV / Monitor ) you will not able to play this.

I predict that, unless CCP integrates DUST514 in the current EVE Online connected by WIS, allowing EVE players to play DUST514 with their current subscription on the PC ( but with a new character ), the last bastion of mmorpg vision will crumble, and CCP will have pulled their very own NGE.

Xasapis · August 2009

Hmm, I have the feeling that you concluded that it would be necessary for current EVE players to play that console game as well. What made you think that this is the case?

Gdemami · August 2009

Originally posted by CyberWiz
DUST514, will only be playable on consoles, will influence sovereignty and will require a subscription.

Where do you get those information from? o.O

Jacinta · August 2009

I'd love to be informed as to how a proposed addition to the game universe that doesn't affect how the fundamental game plays at this present time and has been announced well in advance of its intended release date is in any way similar to a fundamentally game-altering, out-of-the-blue announced change that happened very shortly after many people were deceived into buying an expansion to said game just before the change went live. Feel free to educate me.

It may be that Dust is an ill-conceived venture but equivalent to SWG's NGE? I think not.

CyberWiz · August 2009

Originally posted by Gdemami

Originally posted by CyberWiz

DUST514, will only be playable on consoles, will influence sovereignty and will require a subscription.

Where do you get those information from? o.O

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utvTCDSPWwQ

CEO of CCP

grimberger · August 2009

I also don't think that DUST is in any way comparable to Sony's NGE.

What worries me far more is that CCP is a small company, and that they put their efforts into a console PEW PEW game while they should be working on the WORLD OF DARKNESS MMORPG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CyberWiz · August 2009

Originally posted by Jacinta

I'd love to be informed as to how a proposed addition to the game universe that doesn't affect how the fundamental game plays at this present time and has been announced well in advance of its intended release date is in any way similar to a fundamentally game-altering, out-of-the-blue announced change that happened very shortly after many people were deceived into buying an expansion to said game just before the change went live. Feel free to educate me.
It may be that Dust is an ill-conceived venture but equivalent to SWG's NGE? I think not.

In it's current form it will :

- Affect EVE by giving away part of the control of sovereignty to another game on another platform

- It removes the hope for current EVE players to one day be able to go to the planets, that rigth is now reserved for the console players.

- Dreams and vision is what made this game so great, now that the vision is gone, the dreams will go away and people will leave.

- How is it similar to SWG CU-NGE : Game changes that heavily influence the veteran players, I agree, we are now warned long before it will be released, so we have a chance for our voice to be heard, in that way, it is very different to NGE. It is more like DAoC TOA, were the devs said, it will not affect RVR much, but in the end, it changed the balance of power completely.

Gdemami · August 2009

Originally posted by CyberWiz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utvTCDSPWwQ
CEO of CCP

We all have seen that vid, still we haven't heard anything you write about apart from fact that the game will be on consoles.

You mind to quote his words and provide a time of speech when he says so?

All he said is that Dust soldiers will be participating in capturing planets. There will be a data stream between EVE and Dust since they will share the universe. If or how does that affect sovereingty is unknown and was not revealed yet.

The planetary capture mechanics is not even implemented or designed. It is scheduled for sometime next year.

Also there was no single word about payment methods for Dust because this is not settled yet.

Xasapis · August 2009

What I find annoying is the non (as of yet announched) PC option. I'm not going to buy a console just so as to play this.

batolemaeus · August 2009

We all have seen that vid, still we haven't heard anything you write about apart from fact that the game will be on consoles.

/thread.

I mean, seriously, if you want to jump to conclusions, at least provide some proof.

JDGalis · August 2009

..I didnt hear a word about paid subs

Varnsta · August 2009

Yeah! yeah! and then...and then he said they gonna take Eve off pc and put it on Wii and..and..then he said hes gonna set fire to my toys! and bang my dog! and and and ........

Jacinta · August 2009

Thing is, any change that affects sovereignty mechanics, or any other type of mechanic for that matter, affects veteran players. This adds another layer of complexity to how space is controlled and is an interesting experiment in how to have a game that offers a variety of gameplay options across different platforms. Whether it works or not remains to be seen but at worst Dust will be a failure or used very little in calculating sov and the EVE game as it stands will remain unchanged.

If, on the other hand, the meld works, what we have is a very intricate system whereby FPS console players interact in a unique way with the current players of EVE Online. Since one cannot currently interact with planets in any way in EVE I don't see how adding the functionality to console players really takes anything away from the game.

I suppose my personal angle is that I have very little interest in FPS so whether the functionality is there or not makes little difference to me. I'll still be shooting at people in space in my spaceship regardless of what the people playing DUST are doing. But the idea that there are people out there fighting on the planets I'm flying around trying to capture or defend. That just reeks of cool.

As far as the dream of planetary interaction goes. It looks like it's soon to be achieved. If one is that desperate to interact with said planet then go ahead and buy the console and game. If not, EVE will remain fundamentally unchanged for you to enjoy anyway. At least, as far as I can see. Maybe further information will change my mind but that's how I see things right now. And if the only reason one is playing EVE right now is for the hope of some ephemeral idea about planetary interaction at some indeterminate time in the future, then might I suggest that one might be playing the wrong game?

CyberWiz · August 2009

3:40

I quote ( as good as I can ) :

"Dust battlefield will dicate controls of the planet, ( eve ) players contracts mercenary team to go conquer districts of a planet, then people will be able to control the planet, and therefore the solar system, and therefore the constellation, and the region"

Bureyku · August 2009

Oh come on... be a little more dramatic. NGE was a complete restructuring of an existing game. Dust 514 is a seperate game that ties in through some way with EVE that we don't have the exact details on.

Don't be so afraid of change and evolution in games. CCP has every right to expand their universe.

Jowen · August 2009

I have a very hard time seeing how DUST will effect my mission running, low sec exploration, booster production and tech 3 research.

Btw. statements like this:

- Dreams and vision is what made this game so great, now that the vision is gone, the dreams will go away and people will leave.

are hillarius moronic.

Gdemami · August 2009

Originally posted by CyberWiz
3:40
I quote ( as good as I can ) :
"Dust battlefield will dicate controls of the planet, ( eve ) players contracts mercenary team to go conquer districts of a planet, then people will be able to control the planet, and therefore the solar system, and therefore the constellation, and the region"

Yes, but can you tell what controlling planet means?

No, you can't since there is no planet control yet. Not even as concept.

Jacinta · August 2009

What he says immediately before that is that DUST will become one of the inputs into sovereignty. We have been given no information as to how much of an input it will be but I am certain that there will be mechanics for sovereignty to allow for the absence of any planetary fighting which would suggest that the involvement of planetary fighting would simply be one factor of a larger equation. If people are involved, then cool but really EVE is a game about shooting internet spaceships in your own internet spaceship. I have yet to see anything concerning the DUST announcement that will change that fundamental mechanic, which makes it entirely dissimilar to the NGE and suggests the kind of experimental thinking that is severely lacking in most game development these days.

As I said before, I don't know and can't predict whether it will succeed but I like the fact that they're even contemplating it. If the experiment fails then DUST will be quietly forgotten and the PC crowd will continue with the game as it stands but the amount they stand to gain from giving it a go is probably seen to be worth the risk of potential upset.

I'm taking a 'we'll see' approach. In the four years I've been playing the game I've witnessed a dev team who really seem to love the game they're developing and want it to get better. Of course they're after subscriptions and tapping into the console crowd would be seen as a way to increase revenue but I personally doubt that they would do anything to sabotage the game as it currently stands. Remember that really they don't have the kinds of pressures for subscriptions that SWG had and can work to their own time-scale. The game is already a far greater success than they could have hoped for and I don't think they'd want to fundamentally change what is a winning formula for them. But anything that adds to the game without changing the underlying philosophy is no bad thing, imo. I've seen no information about DUST that suggests that the underlying philosophy is changing. It just adds options. And if you don't happen to have a console, then, oh well. You'll still be able to play EVE as is and after all, isn't that what people who play the game are enjoying right now?

CyberWiz · August 2009

Originally posted by Jacinta

What he says immediately before that is that DUST will become one of the inputs into sovereignty. We have been given no information as to how much of an input it will be but I am certain that there will be mechanics for sovereignty to allow for the absence of any planetary fighting which would suggest that the involvement of planetary fighting would simply be one factor of a larger equation. If people are involved, then cool but really EVE is a game about shooting internet spaceships in your own internet spaceship. I have yet to see anything concerning the DUST announcement that will change that fundamental mechanic, which makes it entirely dissimilar to the NGE and suggests the kind of experimental thinking that is severely lacking in most game development these days.
As I said before, I don't know and can't predict whether it will succeed but I like the fact that they're even contemplating it. If the experiment fails then DUST will be quietly forgotten and the PC crowd will continue with the game as it stands but the amount they stand to gain from giving it a go is probably seen to be worth the risk of potential upset.
I'm taking a 'we'll see' approach. In the four years I've been playing the game I've witnessed a dev team who really seem to love the game they're developing and want it to get better. Of course they're after subscriptions and tapping into the console crowd would be seen as a way to increase revenue but I personally doubt that they would do anything to sabotage the game as it currently stands. Remember that really they don't have the kinds of pressures for subscriptions that SWG had and can work to their own time-scale. The game is already a far greater success than they could have hoped for and I don't think they'd want to fundamentally change what is a winning formula for them. But anything that adds to the game without changing the underlying philosophy is no bad thing, imo. I've seen no information about DUST that suggests that the underlying philosophy is changing. It just adds options. And if you don't happen to have a console, then, oh well. You'll still be able to play EVE as is and after all, isn't that what people who play the game are enjoying right now?

I agree that expanding upon EVE is a good thing.

However I think a better way would have been to completely integrate Dust514 into EVE Online with WIS and allow console players to play the DUST514 and WIS part, but allow EVE Online players to play everything. Thus not upsetting their current player base who are mostly PC gamers.

The problem I have now is I am not sure of the vision for EVE anymore, therefore I am reluctant to invest more time into it.

I still have a 3 month sub running on my main, so guess by that time I will have more information about the DUS514. I really hope it will all work out for the best, because if it does, EVE may indeed become the end all be all Sci-Fi mmo.

But atm I am very much in doubt., I guess I am scarred by the SWG-CU-NGE and DAoC-ToA-NF, and afraid that one of the few games I still like alot will be ruined.

p.s. I like planetside alot, so I am very much pro mmofps, just not on a console ...

CyberWiz · August 2009

Originally posted by JDGalis

..I didnt hear a word about paid subs

Well, it will be an mmofps, so that was an assumption of mine.

Gdemami · August 2009

Originally posted by Jacinta
What he says immediately before that is that DUST will become one of the inputs into sovereignty. We have been given no information as to how much of an input it will be but I am certain that there will be mechanics for sovereignty to allow for the absence of any planetary fighting which would suggest that the involvement of planetary fighting would simply be one factor of a larger equation. If people are involved, then cool but really EVE is a game about shooting internet spaceships in your own internet spaceship. I have yet to see anything concerning the DUST announcement that will change that fundamental mechanic, which makes it entirely dissimilar to the NGE and suggests the kind of experimental thinking that is severely lacking in most game development these days.
As I said before, I don't know and can't predict whether it will succeed but I like the fact that they're even contemplating it. If the experiment fails then DUST will be quietly forgotten and the PC crowd will continue with the game as it stands but the amount they stand to gain from giving it a go is probably seen to be worth the risk of potential upset.
I'm taking a 'we'll see' approach. In the four years I've been playing the game I've witnessed a dev team who really seem to love the game they're developing and want it to get better. Of course they're after subscriptions and tapping into the console crowd would be seen as a way to increase revenue but I personally doubt that they would do anything to sabotage the game as it currently stands. Remember that really they don't have the kinds of pressures for subscriptions that SWG had and can work to their own time-scale. The game is already a far greater success than they could have hoped for and I don't think they'd want to fundamentally change what is a winning formula for them. But anything that adds to the game without changing the underlying philosophy is no bad thing, imo. I've seen no information about DUST that suggests that the underlying philosophy is changing. It just adds options. And if you don't happen to have a console, then, oh well. You'll still be able to play EVE as is and after all, isn't that what people who play the game are enjoying right now?

Well..I personaly couldn't catch everything in his speech leaving this part a bit unclear. He seems to compare POS mechanics to planetary control, talking about both as input(?).

Starting at 3:20

"If you remember sovereingty map and how that animates and evolves over time, currently that it dictates by how many structures players may own in solar system and then ?????? input elements into sovereingty control system of EVE. And Dust will become one of those inputs."

I can't really figure out that mising word but still, it can mean anything since it is not detailed and he talks about concept of interaction between two games.

Skuz · August 2009

I think that this is a very bold attempt to build the all-encompassing space-game that CCP envisioned at EVE's inception, I have confidence that the CCP guys will not try to corrupt the EVE experience at all but enrich it with another layer.

In it's broadest concept sense what the overall ambition appears to be is to create a synergy between different gamer styles & also to somewhat encapsulate how a full military approach operates in our own universe, with a seperate Army, Navy, Airforce - though translated to EVE the Army (at least as an infantry) are upon the planets themselves with this dust 514 package & the Navy are swanning about between the stars, perhaps further elements to the EVE universe comprising of a vehicular division & an Airforce will appear in time to "round out" the universe & those might be tailored to tank/racing/submarine/flight sim gamers.

With that said I hope that the console-designed Dust 514 makes a translation to PC as there are many PC gamers that love FPS too & it might work as a great "gateway" to the EVE universe.

Varnsta · August 2009

OP, how about u look at this announcement as somewhat of an MMO 1st, applaud CCP for thinking outside the box, and wait and see how this is implemented with a sense of optimism and hope? Would make a nice change to the usual round of negative doomsayers that so love to stomp around on these forums. The industry is in need of some new direction, and its people like CCP that i am happy to see spearheading wotever new directions MMO's start heading in. If they fuck it up, THEN come on here and point and moan and bitch. Until then, how about u try a new direction, and stop whinging?

Harkkum · August 2009

Although I am not personally an EVE player, I have to say that I find this new DUST-installation most interesting. It merges (even if loosely) together two games and two gaming platforms. EVE-setting will, atleast from what I gathered from that Youtube-video, work as a "story" or "lore" for DUST -- the reason to fight --, whereas DUST will provide additional depth for EVE-gameplay through contracting players from DUST to do the dirty work for you. It seems like combining the fortes of both PCs and consoles alike.

Will it eventually work is another question, that hardly can be dissected for the time being. Ideally, the concept is strong and should work. But, if players of both games feel obliged to follow the acts of those in another game the system is likely to fail. The co-operation between these two games ought to provide meaningful depth to them, not their raison d'être. For it to work the amount of decisive freedom given to DUST players has to be significantly smaller than what EVE currently provides, much like a single soldier in an army has much less control over his actions than a general.

mezlabor · August 2009

I really hope this means I can sit in my megathron in orbit and fire nuclear missiles down on a planets surface and vaporize xbox live kiddies.

I'm surprised they are going console only. I would have played this game if it had a pc launch. I hate console fps games. I cant stand those stupid dual analogs. Keyboard and mouse forever. Well if a bunch of xbox live brats screw up my alliances soveriengty too much they'll lose subs by the thousands.

CyberWiz · August 2009

Originally posted by Varnsta

OP, how about u look at this announcement as somewhat of an MMO 1st, applaud CCP for thinking outside the box, and wait and see how this is implemented with a sense of optimism and hope? Would make a nice change to the usual round of negative doomsayers that so love to stomp around on these forums. The industry is in need of some new direction, and its people like CCP that i am happy to see spearheading wotever new directions MMO's start heading in. If they fuck it up, THEN come on here and point and moan and bitch. Until then, how about u try a new direction, and stop whinging?

If CCP would have stated the follwing :

DUST514 will be the next expansion of EVE Online connected by WIS to the current EVE Online universe, and console players will also be able to play DUST514 and WIS, then 99% of the players would have been positive or neutral about it.

As it is now, console only and thus not integrated in EVE Online, they dropped a bomb on the EVE community and it is only logical people react.

I know I am overreacting, and it is not like the NGE, still it is a big change in the game by itself, making it exclusive for consoles on top of that is ... not a good idea imho.

We, the EVE players always expected to have planetary interaction inside the game, not outside of it ...

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