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For u AION fanboyz
Just to clear a few misconceptions up.
1. AION IS a lot like World of Warcraft. Simply put, WoW was successful, NCsoft realized this when they set about making Aion, to replicate the success of WoW and other MMOs of today, they pulled together many many elements from many games, several of which are probably noticable right from the get-go, most noteworthy of which-WoW.
Now you say , Pezhead, you dumb-fuck, AION is NOTHING like WoW except for the two factions. Respectfully I must disagree. WoW ushered in an era of MMO's where solo content and heavy quest driven leveling was key to ease the boredom of solo or group grinding. It was put together to appeal to a much more casual market, and at its peak of 12 million subscribers, it indeed achieved that. World of Warcraft took all that was successful from previous MMO's, tweaked them and combined them to create the superomfg MEGAZORD! i.e. World of Warcraft. It didnt do anything revolutionary, except for this. Take a look at AION, elements from Guild Wars, WoW, Lineage, City of Heroes, DAOC, can be seen quite easily (Quest leveling, art style, customization, RvR etc.)
2. AION's graphics are NOT superb. They are merely above average, part of this is of course is that the CRYengine is 5 years old, part of it is a lack of detail in certain areas. However, what sets AION's graphics apart from everything else out there is the way that they are implemented. Take Age of Conan for instance, probably the most graphically advanced MMO currently availiabe. However, in addition to killing computers, the graphics in the game are very nitty gritty, neandertahlish, a rather boorish taste if you ask me. AION's graphics however send a message to players that, not everything has to look ugly, there is beauty even in the scorching desert or within a bustling capital city, and even beyond that, there is elegance.
3. I am NOT an AION hater, I do not like people who say things in ignorance after accusing others of ignorance, and people who make the AION community look worse then the WoW community.
I played Korean retail as well as been playing English Beta.
It's almost 2010, and I am just not wiling to tolerate clunky graphics while being told that "gameplay is more important than graphics". That excuse won't wash with me any more. I expect my games to have both good graphics and good gameplay.
-Quote Isoke(VN boards)
Comments
Did you really play aion?
As for the graphics wow is successful because old computers can still play it, making it high on system requirements would make them lose a lot of profits from people that can't afford a new pc.
Since your a nobody i wont take your post seriously as you seem to take yourself with self importance.
What actually was the point of this post again?
So that we can all create characters on every server called Pezhunter and Pezhead and really piss him off. ROFL
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JonMichael
Currently: AION, an MMO Beta under NDA
Played: WAR, LOTRO, Hellgate: London, CoX, GW, SotNW, DAOC, EQ2, SWG, WoW, AO, Horizons, Second Life, There, TSO
Beta'd: There, Second Life, EQ2, DAOC:LotM, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, Gods and Heroes, Hellgate: London, Requiem:Bloodymare, AoC, WAR, DDO, Fallen Earth
World of Warcraft is a lot like Everquest, sorry to burst your bubble.
heh
But why I dont find too many Aion fanboi's actually disagreeing with you.
1. I dont think theres much difference between any mmo when you look at its core so agree its a lot like WOW in the fact that its a mmo has a lot of solo content its main difference would obviously have to be its PVP.
2. Yeah agree again they arent absolutely cutting edge they take a art style I'm a fan of and make it look damn pretty so in my opinion are Superb.
You make a good poitn with Conan I didnt actually think its graphic's where that great yes perhaps from a technical standpoint but its art direction want to my taste so sub par, I guess a lot of what each person calls great graphic's depends on personal preference a lot.
I agree with some of the things that you said. I don't consider myself an Aion "Fanboy". I do intend to play the game, and I do thuroughly enjoy the game.
I don't believe that Aion is an amazing game. Aion is a good game, maybe a great game. It is smooth, polished, and has a relatively good amount of content. Aion borrowed a lot from other mmos, including WoW, but WoW also borrowed a lot from other mmos. Every game borrows a lot from other games. WoW didn't really have any revolutionary features either. WoW turned the industry in the themepark direction, but its not like there was never a quest in an mmorpg before. WoW was never an incredibly innovative game.
Aion isn't an innovative game either. Aion is your basic mmo with your basic features and the same content that we've seen over the last few years. What is good about Aion is that there is a lot of said content, the game is as polished as they come, and it is overall well thought out and well built.
Don't get me wrong, I love aion, and I hope to god that it takes a large chunk of market share away from WoW, but don't let anyone tell you that AIon is an amazing game, or a game that brings new things to the table. Aion is a good game, maybe a great game, but it isn't going to change the mmo industry and it isn't going to change the way that companies develop mmos over the next few years. PvPvE is a load of crap I'm going to tell you that right now. People are probably going to say that I'm an aion hater or w/e... Again I love this game I loved CB. I'm going to play it at launch and I hope it beats out WoW because I hate WoW. PvPvE is not a new feature however. In Aion there are certain zones (the abyss) where PvE mobs will spawn, and in these zones PvP is enabled. It is really no different than a PvP server. PvPvE is simply a zone that has mobs in it and that you can PvP in. The same exact thing exists in 50% of mmos, and the fact that NCsoft is packaging this as some kind of revolutionary feature is simply a marketing gimmick. Don't get me wrong the abyss is an awesome zone and it is a lot of fun to play there, but PvPvE is not some new feature that has never been done before. It's quite common in this genre to PvP in a zone that also has mobs.
There are a lot of cool features in Aion. The abyss is a well thought out zone, and the fact that there are different layers of the abyss makes the zone feel even cooler. Flying is quite a fun feature, but it has its positives and negatives. I forsee flying to cause some significant balance issues, because not only do classes need to be balanced in land combat, but the developers now also need to balance these classes in the air as well, and the fact that 90% of abilities that are used on the ground can be used in the air, is going to cause balance issues down the road. That being said the game has been out in Korea for a while now, so balance wise it is most likely further along than your average brand new mmo.
The graphics in Aion are great. I disagree with the OP on this front. The reason why I believe the graphics are great is because the game does not lag. The graphics look good (they don't look amazing like age of conan) but what makes them great is the fact that you can run the game on high settings without having a super computer.
In conclusion. Aion is a great game, and I highly recommend picking it up when it is released, but it is not going to change the mmo genre in the slightest. It is the same old mmo with some new features here and there, very polished and entertaining gameplay, and good graphics. It is not revolutionary however, and don't let any fan boys or NCsoft tell you otherwise.
Yeah old computers or their parents machine so the lazy parents use WOW as a virtual babysitter because they just can't be arsed to actually interact with their children.
Zathoral while I agree with everything you say I have to disagree with PvPvE.
PvPvE is not just PvPing in an area where PvE mobs are around. Its the whole idea that PvEing like in dungeons and killing raid bosses and PvPing while capturing fortresses or just skirmish kills , both give you abyss points and progress your character in a single way.
While in WoW for instance when you PvP in BGs or Arena you get gear that is useful only in PvP and when PvE raiding you get gear useful only in PvE thus separating the two and make two categories of people working towards different goals.
Aion promises an environment when youll be able to do what you wish, like PvEing for a couple of hours and then jump to PvP and still progress in a single path.
Additionally, the third race (PvE) can jump while trying to take a fortress lets say and start killing you making PvE a little more dynamic than games with static mobs waiting you to kill them
I dont know, maybe its done before. You are right Aion its not innovative but its great and I cant wait to play it.
So Aion is alot like WoW, WoW has taken alot from EQ ergo Aion is like EQ? saying that, Many new features from WoW is from Warhammer, but Warhammer has elements from DAoC and so does WoW, you see where this is going? Its bassicly the same as the music indusrty, in order to make somthing completly original you have to make it really out there, which is why you see so much crap music being released.
If mmos looks alot like eachother so what? WoW had a working formula, The Aion design team has taken from that what they felt was good, then added what they thought would make the game even better, and even added a completly new concept, PvPvE which is original (Unless you call the lag in Lost Vale pvp influenced pve ^^), but that dosnt make the entire game original.
Bassicly what i'm saying is that players saying Aion is nothing like WoW or any other game is wrong, ppl saying Aion is bassicly a clone of WoW or other games are equally as wrong, Aion is Aion, a mix of old and new, a good idea possibly made even better, I see nothing wrong with that.
the 1 to 20 experience fooled you, pez.
NCsoft loves there pvp, i luuuuve pvp and pve. Aion was created with PvP incorporated from the start. and yes i luves NCsoft.
i think aion will turn out to be much more like warhammer than wow.
Lets hope the combat isnt slow and endgame boring like war.
Heh, you make a good point Ephimero-or should i say LIVVY!
It's true, Ive only played to 24(spiritmaster) in beta and 26/22(Gladiator/spiritamaster) in Korean retail. So no, I havent fully experienced the game, but my understanding is that quest content is much heavier in general throughout the game when compared to other "Korean Grinders" , if less then that of WoW. It is also my understanding that Aion will release live with additional quests via 1.1/1.2/1.5 patches.
As for me "puffing myself up", indeed, I am VERY frustrated with what I am seeing from the online AION community. In game isnt so bad, but what many times people see as the face of a game is its online(forum) community, and having ignorant posters posting dumb things is not acceptable. Now, you have stated that most "fanboys" already know this.
Call it masachism, but I like reading troll threads just because it makes me frustrated and want to tear my hair out(sometimes). The trolls are bad enough, but when AION fans, flock to a thread saying stupid things that are blatantly incorrect, that's even worse, and makes everyone look horrible(except for the troll). People saying
"CRYengine the engine in CRYSIS! Aion has the best GFX in the world!"
"Aion IS better then WoW because blah blah this and blah blah that"
"AION has unrestricted PvP, and flight"
"AION 's classes are very balanced, skill is everything, if you play your cards right in a 1v1 fight, you can win fairly"
"We don't want you playing Aion cause we'd rather have a smaller community" (then why talk about how AION is gonna have so many subs)
Simply put, I am venting disgust and frustration, my apologies for using the term "fanboyz", but after reading a few posts in the "Aion-next big MMO" thread, I couldn't help myself, and believe me, I'm not the only one whos noticed, remember that thread about the AION community sucking? Well they weren't referring to the in-game community.... they were referring to the most blatantly obvious one, that of the forums. Go figure.
Is it a good game? Hell yes, am I going to play it? I have been and I am going to.
and yes, AION is like WoW, just because WoW is a "copy" of EQ, does not change the fact that AION is very similar in many ways to the World of Warcraft.
It's almost 2010, and I am just not wiling to tolerate clunky graphics while being told that "gameplay is more important than graphics". That excuse won't wash with me any more. I expect my games to have both good graphics and good gameplay.
-Quote Isoke(VN boards)
Couldn't this have gone in one of the countless other wow vs aion threads?
Aion is Aion.
and yes, AION is like WoW, just because WoW is a "copy" of EQ, does not change the fact that AION is very similar in many ways to the World of Warcraft.
I refer you to my first post..
Heh, you make a good point Ephimero-or should i say LIVVY!
It's true, Ive only played to 24(spiritmaster) in beta and 26/22(Gladiator/spiritamaster) in Korean retail. So no, I havent fully experienced the game, but my understanding is that quest content is much heavier in general throughout the game when compared to other "Korean Grinders" , if less then that of WoW. It is also my understanding that Aion will release live with additional quests via 1.1/1.2/1.5 patches.
As for me "puffing myself up", indeed, I am VERY frustrated with what I am seeing from the online AION community. In game isnt so bad, but what many times people see as the face of a game is its online(forum) community, and having ignorant posters posting dumb things is not acceptable. Now, you have stated that most "fanboys" already know this.
Call it masachism, but I like reading troll threads just because it makes me frustrated and want to tear my hair out(sometimes). The trolls are bad enough, but when AION fans, flock to a thread saying stupid things that are blatantly incorrect, that's even worse, and makes everyone look horrible(except for the troll). People saying
"CRYengine the engine in CRYSIS! Aion has the best GFX in the world!"
"Aion IS better then WoW because blah blah this and blah blah that"
"AION has unrestricted PvP, and flight"
"AION 's classes are very balanced, skill is everything, if you play your cards right in a 1v1 fight, you can win fairly"
"We don't want you playing Aion cause we'd rather have a smaller community" (then why talk about how AION is gonna have so many subs)
Simply put, I am venting disgust and frustration, my apologies for using the term "fanboyz", but after reading a few posts in the "Aion-next big MMO" thread, I couldn't help myself, and believe me, I'm not the only one whos noticed, remember that thread about the AION community sucking? Well they weren't referring to the in-game community.... they were referring to the most blatantly obvious one, that of the forums. Go figure.
Is it a good game? Hell yes, am I going to play it? I have been and I am going to.
and yes, AION is like WoW, just because WoW is a "copy" of EQ, does not change the fact that AION is very similar in many ways to the World of Warcraft.
Im not livvy o.o far from that, livvy is a huge retard.
And I dont think you got what I meant with my post, 1-20 might feel like wow, progression cant be really different if we are into a level system based game, but the game, when it matters (the part you'll be playing the most out of your entire experience, aka endgame) is completely different.
What a pointless thread.
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I almost wonder what WoW players find so threatening about another MMO in the space. If anything, these people should be glad other companies are creating MMOs to ensure Blizzard doesn't get any more lazy than they already have. If Blizzard sees subs falling they are going to have to prop up the game with more content or something to stop the leak.
Competition in any market is a win for the consumer in that market and in some cases other markets as well. Play the game that makes you happy and let others do the same.
-DR
Played: Ultima Online, EverQuest, Asheron's Call, DAoC, Ragnarok Online, Earth and Beyond, Shadowbane, Star Wars Galaxies, Final Fantasy XI, Phantasy Star Online, Guild Wars, Matrix Online, World of Warcraft
I love you.
Get a grib bud.....Focus your energy on something else perhaps? What does it matter to you? LOL Dont play Aion if you don't like it...we don't need to read about. Go play something else or maybe get outside and enjoy the sun abit.
"I play Tera for the gameplay"
IMHO group mob grinding is so much more entertaining than solo quest grinding. The quests are always so crap like kill x animals gather x twigs and berries. If your in a group yes you may be camped in the same place but at least your in not moving a round a lot so you can talk more. Ive had so many fun days in FFXI sitting in the same spot compared to grinding away at quests.
FFXI is the only mmorpg that I didn't get bored while grinding.
Funny how gamers that have played WoW for 3-4 years say that Aion is nothing like WoW.
But whatever, I really don't care.
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