SOE / Sony not only but also as a consequence of what they did to SWG and how they delt with the players at the time.
FailCom/FunCom ..Worst Forum moderation and comunity relations ever found in a game, together with lying marketing cheating their clients into buying a buggy game wihtout several of the announced features..
Turbine, for what they did to DDO advertising a D&D mmo and then changing the game rules to such a point that it aint d&d anymore.. [casters with sp becoming machineguns of spell spamming instead of a limited number of spell as per rules, nerfing on several skills and spells of some classes in order to 'balance' them ?!?!, Vorpals and other weapons not working as per rules because Trubine made up some fake rules, etc etc..
CCP Lack of ethics in Eve Online [what happened to BOB for instance], costumer lying [the neverending promise of Ambulation and other upgrades that never see the light of day butt exist to try to hold the players thinking something new is coming] and ingame cheating [CCP staff passing blueprints etc to some corps, CCP staff aware of exploits and not doing nothing about it like the tech 2 materials etc ], bad server quality with lag sometimes reaching several minutes in important battles . Beeing an SOE company or associated with.. doesnt really surprise me.
As long as they have that cracked-out wanna-be rockstar British douchebag hopping around like a howler monkey on meth, I'll never buy another of their products. They took an IP that was PERFECT, and fucked it up beyond belief. I can't grasp how they could have made WAR fail more if they'd tried.
Katsma is Lithuanian for 'he who drinks used douche fluid'.
I will never give them another dime, further more I hope the lying pricks go belly up and Tacos is forced to live in the street. As for Mythic, they aren't worth mentioning as its called EA now and we all know where EA stands. Though I do hate how they ruined DAoC even before they sold out.
Some of my reasons for low expectations from certain companies:
Turbine - their games have poor graphics, stability, and a really bland art style. They never seem to innovate but instead copy from concepts that succeed in other games and simplify them more than necessary.
SOE - I'm hesitant to try any game they are involved with; publishing or otherwise. They haven't done a single thing to improve games like Planetside, Vanguard, Matrix Online, and SWG. They care nothing about supporting their games or listening to what the player community wants. It seems like they only care about running their products as cheap/cost effectively as possible as opposed to investing into their games, improving them, bringing in more subscribers.
Funcom - Weren't able to deliver the product they hyped up for years. Even as simple and cookie-cutter as AoC was designed, it failed to deliver even the most basic things that other MMOs already had.
Cryptic Studios - I don't think they're a terrible company but I just don't like the art style and the kind of 'action-packed, instancing, superhero' mentality that is behind their MMOs. CoH, Champions, and even Star Trek online is looking too much like an action game with cartoon graphics.
CCP - I don't like the excel spreadsheet, numbercrunching, gambling concepts that are in Eve Online. Their World of Darkness MMO would have to be a departure from style of gameplay Eve Online offers for me to be interested in it.
My immediate response would be to say SOE and Funcom, but realistically I play a game cause I enjoy it. If any company makes a game worth my money, I'll play it.
The only change is I'll never pre-order or play a game without a free-trial or pay for more than a month subscription.
SOE. Maybe an EQ if made in the likeness of the original I'd try it. If they changed how they did business, I'd be one of the first in line to play. But, im not a 12 year old girl, nor will they change anytime soon, so...SOE.
I can still remember them telling us how bad gold farmers are to their games and how they ruin the experience. It's just plain cheating they said. lol.
See you in the dream.. The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
I'm not going to write off a game company just because it made one game I was disappointed in or made a few bad choices, but that said I will be more careful when pre-ordering from companies I've had a bad experience with. Turbine
Cryptic
SOE
Funcom
NCSoft
Mythic Blizzard isn't on the list because I never played WoW outside of the beta, while the others I've all pre-ordered games by.
lol thats pretty much the majority of big MMORPG devs then...
Says it all about the state of this hobby.
Yes. I never pre-order or pay a cent to MMORPG companies until 6 months after release and I have trialed their product because of the industry 'business practices' (some many of which would be illegal if they were based where I live.)
The MMORPG developers, publishers and distributers should hang their heads... the state of things is bloody shameful.
My specific additions would be:
SOE/Platform Publishing because of the complete botch job with regard to marketing & distribution of PotBS.
I swear I could have done this better myself (which is not a comment on how good I am - it is a comment on how bad they are)
FLS for design and community management. After having an MMO released for 18 months they still have no clue.
Can somebody who is putting Blizzard on their list please explain that one to me? WoW was and is indeed the sellout of all sellouts; it steals systems from other games, it panders to the masses, it lacks depth, and it completely destroys lore, but it's still a well-polished, fun game. Even if you completely despise WoW, Blizzard was an RTS/Action RPG company before WoW, and the Warcraft, Starcraft, and Diablo games are probably (almost definitely) the best games in their respective genres.
I can see how Blizzard might be starting to go down a bad path (with WoW, BNet 2.0, etc.), but let's see where they are in a few years.
Can somebody who is putting Blizzard on their list please explain that one to me? WoW was and is indeed the sellout of all sellouts; it steals systems from other games, it panders to the masses, it lacks depth, and it completely destroys lore, but it's still a well-polished, fun game. Even if you completely despise WoW, Blizzard was an RTS/Action RPG company before WoW, and the Warcraft, Starcraft, and Diablo games are probably (almost definitely) the best games in their respective genres. I can see how Blizzard might be starting to go down a bad path (with WoW, BNet 2.0, etc.), but let's see where they are in a few years.
Well, I'm no rabid WoW hater, but some may argue that all the reasons in red is reason enough.
Can somebody who is putting Blizzard on their list please explain that one to me? WoW was and is indeed the sellout of all sellouts; it steals systems from other games, it panders to the masses, it lacks depth, and it completely destroys lore, but it's still a well-polished, fun game. Even if you completely despise WoW, Blizzard was an RTS/Action RPG company before WoW, and the Warcraft, Starcraft, and Diablo games are probably (almost definitely) the best games in their respective genres. I can see how Blizzard might be starting to go down a bad path (with WoW, BNet 2.0, etc.), but let's see where they are in a few years.
Well, I'm no rabid WoW hater, but some may argue that all the reasons in red is reason enough.
Haha I mean I can see where people would be disappointed in Blizzard for that, but it's not like they did something blatantly unethical (like hmm... CCP?). People don't have the balls to admit that, despite all its apparent flaws, WoW is a well made game. I don't even glance at themepark games anymore, but I know that WoW is good.
My point is, Blizzard has a great track record; I would buy another game from them in an instant. I don't think they should get a bad rep just because I don't like WoW.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Can somebody who is putting Blizzard on their list please explain that one to me? WoW was and is indeed the sellout of all sellouts; it steals systems from other games, it panders to the masses, it lacks depth, and it completely destroys lore, but it's still a well-polished, fun game. Even if you completely despise WoW, Blizzard was an RTS/Action RPG company before WoW, and the Warcraft, Starcraft, and Diablo games are probably (almost definitely) the best games in their respective genres. I can see how Blizzard might be starting to go down a bad path (with WoW, BNet 2.0, etc.), but let's see where they are in a few years.
Well, I'm no rabid WoW hater, but some may argue that all the reasons in red is reason enough.
Haha I mean I can see where people would be disappointed in Blizzard for that, but it's not like they did something blatantly unethical (like hmm... CCP?). People don't have the balls to admit that, despite all its apparent flaws, WoW is a well made game. I don't even glance at themepark games anymore, but I know that WoW is good.
My point is, Blizzard has a great track record; I would buy another game from them in an instant. I don't think they should get a bad rep just because I don't like WoW.
I get where your coming from
I think a lot of peeps have issues with Blizzard beacuse of what their success has done to this genre though, and also their minimal re-investment in their game which seems to some to be just profiteering instead of going all out to give their loyal customers the best possible play experience.
Making a rough tally in my head I'm pretty surprised SOE tops the list... well sorta. Having played EQ, EQ2, and Planetside, I can see where people were left with bad experiences.
My worst was playing EQ2 after release and trying to give it a fair chance, especially with crafting/gathering. The only game I ever knew of where you could die crafting. With respect I never heard of anything where a person was making a chair and spontaneously combusting. They "fixed" killstealing by adding the "lock" thing, but gathering stuff for crafting was still open game. And I forget who was the "headpiece" for the voice of the game forums, but more often than not, his response was always something to "THAT IS BY DESIGN" aka, it's the way we made it get used to it. Well I'm sorry, but NO... I don't have to get used to it because your design is flawed. If you don't care, then enjoy living in "YOUR WORLD" and playing with "YOUR SELF". Wasn't long after a few months after release, WoW was still selling at full price, and EQ2 was in the bargain bin.
Someone mentioned how they don't buy a MMO until after 6 months after release and/or played a free trial to see if they like it. I 100% agree. I'm sick of companies releasing buggy, roughcut MMO's, using the excuse that "Well your first month free is the compensation for a crappy initial release of a game" idealism followed by raging zealot fanbois who blindly defend "their game" as if it were their religion. Anymore I follow the forums of games before I play and if things get to silly, I leave the community before people started drinking the kool-aid.
"There is only one thing of which I am certain, and that's nothing is certain."
Yes. I never pre-order or pay a cent to MMORPG companies until 6 months after release and I have trialed their product because of the industry 'business practices' (some many of which would be illegal if they were based where I live.) The MMORPG developers, publishers and distributers should hang their heads... the state of things is bloody shameful.
QFT. With one addition - the people who buy the garbage. They empower the companies to release crap by paying for it. Even to the point of buying CEs and lifetime subs before the games have even been released.
You know who you are, and you should be ashamed.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Blizzard for milking their players. Other companies are okay (even Smedly Online Entertainment *g*) But with no EQ3 coming out and this Agency thing, Im actually not very interested in future SOE products (except EQ2 Addons *g*)
OMFG... I can't believe you prefer SOE to Blizzard.
You honestly think that a company that has done nothing but piss off and alienate its own player base for years is better than one that consistently pleases the vast majority of its players? The difference in quality alone between SOE and Blizzard products is mind-boggling.
I realize that this thread is all about opinions, but WTF!? Are people seriously this delusional?
"I realize that this thread is all about opinions, but WTF!? Are people seriously this delusional?"
Even though they are wrong and don't conform to mine!
On topic, there are not any companies I can think of that I would not try a game at the very least. If it looks intersting to me chances are I will at least give it a try and see whats up. I mean afterall, I am planning on giving Darkfall a shot in the coming months. And even after all the bad press Age of Conan and Funcom got I have been totally enjoying that game for the past few weeks, so no, I am willing to try it if it peaks my interest, regardless of the company.
That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!
#1. Funcom - Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me three times? Not gonna happen.
#2. SOE - I once loved a girl named PlanetSide. She was brutal, violent, chaotic and with her, the world was my oyster. Then, SOE took a dump on her and she could never get clean again.
#3. Aventurine - Seriously, did you have like a hermit as your community manager?
#4. Duplex - The only company that has managed to bring a MMO from Open Beta to Retail and then back to Closed Beta because it sucked so hard.
I've said I wouldn't buy another game from such & such before, but I'm guilty like many people of going back to games made by those companies. So I'm not going to say such things anymore, because you never know when a company you dislike may come out with something good heh.
I will say such that I'm not going to pre-order a new game anymore, and I won't be spending money to upgrade a computer for a new game. If I'm spending money on something, it's gonna be a proven game, not something built purely by hype.
Blizzard for milking their players. Other companies are okay (even Smedly Online Entertainment *g*) But with no EQ3 coming out and this Agency thing, Im actually not very interested in future SOE products (except EQ2 Addons *g*)
Yea, this I don't get at all. SOE is well known for taking over development of a game and then shitting on it. Blizzard is well known for releasing quality products. Please, explain to me what you mean by "milking their players" and why that deters you from other Blizzard games?
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My "I wont buy from them list"
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SOE / Sony not only but also as a consequence of what they did to SWG and how they delt with the players at the time.
FailCom/FunCom ..Worst Forum moderation and comunity relations ever found in a game, together with lying marketing cheating their clients into buying a buggy game wihtout several of the announced features..
Turbine, for what they did to DDO advertising a D&D mmo and then changing the game rules to such a point that it aint d&d anymore.. [casters with sp becoming machineguns of spell spamming instead of a limited number of spell as per rules, nerfing on several skills and spells of some classes in order to 'balance' them ?!?!, Vorpals and other weapons not working as per rules because Trubine made up some fake rules, etc etc..
CCP Lack of ethics in Eve Online [what happened to BOB for instance], costumer lying [the neverending promise of Ambulation and other upgrades that never see the light of day butt exist to try to hold the players thinking something new is coming] and ingame cheating [CCP staff passing blueprints etc to some corps, CCP staff aware of exploits and not doing nothing about it like the tech 2 materials etc ], bad server quality with lag sometimes reaching several minutes in important battles . Beeing an SOE company or associated with.. doesnt really surprise me.
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Mythic.
As long as they have that cracked-out wanna-be rockstar British douchebag hopping around like a howler monkey on meth, I'll never buy another of their products. They took an IP that was PERFECT, and fucked it up beyond belief. I can't grasp how they could have made WAR fail more if they'd tried.
Katsma is Lithuanian for 'he who drinks used douche fluid'.
Mythic
Aventurine
I will never give them another dime, further more I hope the lying pricks go belly up and Tacos is forced to live in the street. As for Mythic, they aren't worth mentioning as its called EA now and we all know where EA stands. Though I do hate how they ruined DAoC even before they sold out.
Only company i'll never give another chance is SOE.
I'm even going as far as to say that I pretty much hate all sony products. Playstation has ALWAYS sucked.
SOE. Even if they launched the greatest game ever, they would ruin it three weeks later when the first expansion shipped.
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I ask for so little. Just fear me, love me, do as I say and I will be your slave.
Some of my reasons for low expectations from certain companies:
Turbine - their games have poor graphics, stability, and a really bland art style. They never seem to innovate but instead copy from concepts that succeed in other games and simplify them more than necessary.
SOE - I'm hesitant to try any game they are involved with; publishing or otherwise. They haven't done a single thing to improve games like Planetside, Vanguard, Matrix Online, and SWG. They care nothing about supporting their games or listening to what the player community wants. It seems like they only care about running their products as cheap/cost effectively as possible as opposed to investing into their games, improving them, bringing in more subscribers.
Funcom - Weren't able to deliver the product they hyped up for years. Even as simple and cookie-cutter as AoC was designed, it failed to deliver even the most basic things that other MMOs already had.
Cryptic Studios - I don't think they're a terrible company but I just don't like the art style and the kind of 'action-packed, instancing, superhero' mentality that is behind their MMOs. CoH, Champions, and even Star Trek online is looking too much like an action game with cartoon graphics.
CCP - I don't like the excel spreadsheet, numbercrunching, gambling concepts that are in Eve Online. Their World of Darkness MMO would have to be a departure from style of gameplay Eve Online offers for me to be interested in it.
Any company making F2P MMOs, pseudo-MMOs, or casual MMOs, which is pretty much all of them
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My immediate response would be to say SOE and Funcom, but realistically I play a game cause I enjoy it. If any company makes a game worth my money, I'll play it.
The only change is I'll never pre-order or play a game without a free-trial or pay for more than a month subscription.
SOE. Maybe an EQ if made in the likeness of the original I'd try it. If they changed how they did business, I'd be one of the first in line to play. But, im not a 12 year old girl, nor will they change anytime soon, so...SOE.
I can still remember them telling us how bad gold farmers are to their games and how they ruin the experience. It's just plain cheating they said. lol.
See you in the dream..
The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
Someone should send SOE, in particular, a link to this thread.
lol thats pretty much the majority of big MMORPG devs then...
Says it all about the state of this hobby.
Yes. I never pre-order or pay a cent to MMORPG companies until 6 months after release and I have trialed their product because of the industry 'business practices' (some many of which would be illegal if they were based where I live.)
The MMORPG developers, publishers and distributers should hang their heads... the state of things is bloody shameful.
My specific additions would be:
SOE/Platform Publishing because of the complete botch job with regard to marketing & distribution of PotBS.
I swear I could have done this better myself (which is not a comment on how good I am - it is a comment on how bad they are)
FLS for design and community management. After having an MMO released for 18 months they still have no clue.
With almost everyone else running a close second.
Nothing says irony like spelling ideot wrong.
Can somebody who is putting Blizzard on their list please explain that one to me? WoW was and is indeed the sellout of all sellouts; it steals systems from other games, it panders to the masses, it lacks depth, and it completely destroys lore, but it's still a well-polished, fun game. Even if you completely despise WoW, Blizzard was an RTS/Action RPG company before WoW, and the Warcraft, Starcraft, and Diablo games are probably (almost definitely) the best games in their respective genres.
I can see how Blizzard might be starting to go down a bad path (with WoW, BNet 2.0, etc.), but let's see where they are in a few years.
Well, I'm no rabid WoW hater, but some may argue that all the reasons in red is reason enough.
Well, I'm no rabid WoW hater, but some may argue that all the reasons in red is reason enough.
Haha I mean I can see where people would be disappointed in Blizzard for that, but it's not like they did something blatantly unethical (like hmm... CCP?). People don't have the balls to admit that, despite all its apparent flaws, WoW is a well made game. I don't even glance at themepark games anymore, but I know that WoW is good.
My point is, Blizzard has a great track record; I would buy another game from them in an instant. I don't think they should get a bad rep just because I don't like WoW.
Funcom
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Well, I'm no rabid WoW hater, but some may argue that all the reasons in red is reason enough.
Haha I mean I can see where people would be disappointed in Blizzard for that, but it's not like they did something blatantly unethical (like hmm... CCP?). People don't have the balls to admit that, despite all its apparent flaws, WoW is a well made game. I don't even glance at themepark games anymore, but I know that WoW is good.
My point is, Blizzard has a great track record; I would buy another game from them in an instant. I don't think they should get a bad rep just because I don't like WoW.
I get where your coming from
I think a lot of peeps have issues with Blizzard beacuse of what their success has done to this genre though, and also their minimal re-investment in their game which seems to some to be just profiteering instead of going all out to give their loyal customers the best possible play experience.
Making a rough tally in my head I'm pretty surprised SOE tops the list... well sorta. Having played EQ, EQ2, and Planetside, I can see where people were left with bad experiences.
My worst was playing EQ2 after release and trying to give it a fair chance, especially with crafting/gathering. The only game I ever knew of where you could die crafting. With respect I never heard of anything where a person was making a chair and spontaneously combusting. They "fixed" killstealing by adding the "lock" thing, but gathering stuff for crafting was still open game. And I forget who was the "headpiece" for the voice of the game forums, but more often than not, his response was always something to "THAT IS BY DESIGN" aka, it's the way we made it get used to it. Well I'm sorry, but NO... I don't have to get used to it because your design is flawed. If you don't care, then enjoy living in "YOUR WORLD" and playing with "YOUR SELF". Wasn't long after a few months after release, WoW was still selling at full price, and EQ2 was in the bargain bin.
Someone mentioned how they don't buy a MMO until after 6 months after release and/or played a free trial to see if they like it. I 100% agree. I'm sick of companies releasing buggy, roughcut MMO's, using the excuse that "Well your first month free is the compensation for a crappy initial release of a game" idealism followed by raging zealot fanbois who blindly defend "their game" as if it were their religion. Anymore I follow the forums of games before I play and if things get to silly, I leave the community before people started drinking the kool-aid.
"There is only one thing of which I am certain, and that's nothing is certain."
Blizzard for milking their players. Other companies are okay (even Smedly Online Entertainment *g*)
But with no EQ3 coming out and this Agency thing, Im actually not very interested in future SOE products (except EQ2 Addons *g*)
QFT. With one addition - the people who buy the garbage. They empower the companies to release crap by paying for it. Even to the point of buying CEs and lifetime subs before the games have even been released.
You know who you are, and you should be ashamed.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
OMFG... I can't believe you prefer SOE to Blizzard.
You honestly think that a company that has done nothing but piss off and alienate its own player base for years is better than one that consistently pleases the vast majority of its players? The difference in quality alone between SOE and Blizzard products is mind-boggling.
I realize that this thread is all about opinions, but WTF!? Are people seriously this delusional?
"I realize that this thread is all about opinions, but WTF!? Are people seriously this delusional?"
Even though they are wrong and don't conform to mine!
On topic, there are not any companies I can think of that I would not try a game at the very least. If it looks intersting to me chances are I will at least give it a try and see whats up. I mean afterall, I am planning on giving Darkfall a shot in the coming months. And even after all the bad press Age of Conan and Funcom got I have been totally enjoying that game for the past few weeks, so no, I am willing to try it if it peaks my interest, regardless of the company.
That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!
#1. Funcom - Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me three times? Not gonna happen.
#2. SOE - I once loved a girl named PlanetSide. She was brutal, violent, chaotic and with her, the world was my oyster. Then, SOE took a dump on her and she could never get clean again.
#3. Aventurine - Seriously, did you have like a hermit as your community manager?
#4. Duplex - The only company that has managed to bring a MMO from Open Beta to Retail and then back to Closed Beta because it sucked so hard.
I've said I wouldn't buy another game from such & such before, but I'm guilty like many people of going back to games made by those companies. So I'm not going to say such things anymore, because you never know when a company you dislike may come out with something good heh.
I will say such that I'm not going to pre-order a new game anymore, and I won't be spending money to upgrade a computer for a new game. If I'm spending money on something, it's gonna be a proven game, not something built purely by hype.
EQ1-AC1-DAOC-FFXI-L2-EQ2-WoW-DDO-GW-LoTR-VG-WAR-GW2-ESO
Yea, this I don't get at all. SOE is well known for taking over development of a game and then shitting on it. Blizzard is well known for releasing quality products. Please, explain to me what you mean by "milking their players" and why that deters you from other Blizzard games?