If you give ncsoft your credit card number they AUTOMATICALLY put you into an "auto renew" sytem of crediting, in another words, even if you don't ask then to, they will charge you every month to credit the games in your account. Happend to me in lineage 2 and they tried to do the same with Aion, I brought the game with credit card and saw that there was an "scheduled payment" for next month. Well it's just an advice, if you don't want then to charge you stuff you never asked, don't ever give then your credit card number. Their excuse for not refunding you? It was writhen on user agreement, yea, belive it or not here goes: 5. SERVICE FEE; ADDITIONAL FEATURE PURCHASES AND NCCOIN
..."We will automatically charge your chosen method of payment (including, without limitation, credit card, SMS, paysafecard, ELV or NCcoin) on a recurring basis for applicable Account fees or automatically for any Additional Feature purchases, plus any applicable taxes we are required to collect, where you authorize us to do so. All recurring Account fees and Additional Feature of NCcoin purchases are payable in advance."... So to put it in short, don't give us your credit card number because if you do we understand that we can charge you for ever because you agreed to it. Imagine, so if you buy a T Shit in a store you'll keep receving that same t shirt over and over again for all eternity, simply because you once gave then you credit card number. Fair? No it's not. We can do anything about it? Yes you can. Simply don't you EVER give then your credit card number. If you still doubt me, simply read the user agrement yourself. http://us.ncsoft.com/en/legal/user-agreements/aion-user-agreement.html So, watch out, those Koreans know how to rip you off and won't think twice before doing it.
Seems like you are new, welcome to mmorpg world..
Well tbh people should stop to make newbie threads like that. Just ask to your real life friends or ingame friends before making thread like that.Because not worth it to post something like that on a big mmorpg sites.Those questions beginner questions, you can get info easily ingame or from real life friends etc
If you give ncsoft your credit card number they AUTOMATICALLY put you into an "auto renew" sytem of crediting, in another words, even if you don't ask then to, they will charge you every month to credit the games in your account. Happend to me in lineage 2 and they tried to do the same with Aion, I brought the game with credit card and saw that there was an "scheduled payment" for next month. Well it's just an advice, if you don't want then to charge you stuff you never asked, don't ever give then your credit card number. Their excuse for not refunding you? It was writhen on user agreement, yea, belive it or not here goes: 5. SERVICE FEE; ADDITIONAL FEATURE PURCHASES AND NCCOIN
..."We will automatically charge your chosen method of payment (including, without limitation, credit card, SMS, paysafecard, ELV or NCcoin) on a recurring basis for applicable Account fees or automatically for any Additional Feature purchases, plus any applicable taxes we are required to collect, where you authorize us to do so. All recurring Account fees and Additional Feature of NCcoin purchases are payable in advance."... So to put it in short, don't give us your credit card number because if you do we understand that we can charge you for ever because you agreed to it. Imagine, so if you buy a T Shit in a store you'll keep receving that same t shirt over and over again for all eternity, simply because you once gave then you credit card number. Fair? No it's not. We can do anything about it? Yes you can. Simply don't you EVER give then your credit card number. If you still doubt me, simply read the user agrement yourself. http://us.ncsoft.com/en/legal/user-agreements/aion-user-agreement.html So, watch out, those Koreans know how to rip you off and won't think twice before doing it.
LMFAO didnt read the thread but really, you must be so fucking dumb this has got to be a troll. Just wow. Really?
Playing polished, lag free, feature complete games is carebear. Whining about a game you hate but still play is hardcore man!
Well, as you guys may not have noticed I'm here only trying to advice newcomers such as I once was of how those companies operate. I guarantee many, MANY newcomers that gave then their credit card number will have a little "suprise" on the next month in their credit card bill. They do rip off a lot of people that way, and they do make a lot of money out of it. It's not unlegal, it's only unethical. You brought it once!? Now you gonna have to pay FOR EVER! Yet it surprises me how chill about it some people are, you guys realy like giving away your money huh?
Colored line stands out yet again.
Its not FOREVER, it's FOR AS LONG AS YOU ALLOW IT.
Yes, companies have made extra money from people who stopped playing for a month or two, because they forgot to cancel, but that's not the companies fault, or their main reason for using the system. Not all of them are out to rip you off.
Also, just so you know, you've completely lost all credibility as someone just trying to give advice to newcomers when you ended your initial post about how the koreans are evil people that will rip you off.
You honestly believed they were the only ones to do it in this fashion, and now that others have you informed you differently, you've attempted to change your story. Nice.
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Whips out SISSORS and cuts up MasterCard.... There now there strued..... take that NCSOFT (LMFAO)..... OHHH! wait...... Lol.
Read the box....."Must have a internet connection to play...... emmm how do you pay for that "SUBSCRIPTION" to the internet?
1 simple way out is to change to time cards. IF the game excepts them. anyway i am still LOL to hard.
When you or if you did order a T Shirt there is a Quantity you wish to order and that my friend is not a reacquiring bill it's a onetime sale. if you wish another at a later date then you need to order another one. OH OP! can you order me one to (OMG i am bad).
Have a great day mate i think you need to go have a beer, hell have two. (chuckles).
Hahaha! This isn't really relevant to the conversation, but I think it's hilarious that in the six pages of conversation, DukeDu has only posted one other time besides creating the thread.
Here, to give my post relevance: It's true, DukeDu, most "mainstream" MMOs require you give them ~ $15/month. It's just their way of getting an income whenever they're paying to patch the game, bring in content, maintain the servers, etc.
Age of Conan, Lineage II, World of Warcraft, Warhammer, EVE, EverQuest II... All require a monthly fee.
Its simple. If you only wanted to pay for 1 month of service with a CC. then just setup your account & pay for your 1st month, then after you do that, just cancel your subscription.
You get to play for the full month & your account will not auto renew.
I don't use a credit card... I use my Debit card and ti takes it right out of my account. All you have to do is just make sure you have the money in there and you are fine. This way you don't have to worry about paying your credit card. Anyway welcome to MMOs OP
To the OP: OR use this great invention on the internets called "Paypal". That way you don't give any of your CC info directly to NCsoft, AND you get the choice for either a one-time payment or the subscription based payment - all from your paypal account. Works kinda like debit, except you don't give any personal information away.
Well tbh people should stop to make newbie threads like that. Just ask to your real life friends or ingame friends before making thread like that.Because not worth it to post something like that on a big mmorpg sites.Those questions beginner questions, you can get info easily ingame or from real life friends etc
Well, as you guys may not have noticed I'm here only trying to advice newcomers such as I once was of how those companies operate. I guarantee many, MANY newcomers that gave then their credit card number will have a little "suprise" on the next month in their credit card bill. They do rip off a lot of people that way, and they do make a lot of money out of it. It's not unlegal, it's only unethical. You brought it once!? Now you gonna have to pay FOR EVER! Yet it surprises me how chill about it some people are, you guys realy like giving away your money huh?
DukeDu, I notice you are not from a generally English-speaking country, but the terms of service you quote say NCSoft will charge you "when you authorize" -- the box and terms of service specify there is a SUBSCRIPTION that is monthly, and you agree to pay it in the EULA and TOS somewhere (I don't want to dig for it now).
If this is a problem, it's either not reading all the EULA/TOS (who does?) or a language barrier. The subscription is all over the place in the game information. If you get the game in a box, there's also a warning that it requires monthly subscription (and another warning that tells you you need an internet connection), in addition to the minimum requirements for your computer to run the game. All of these are your responsibility to read before you install.
On the other hand, if you go to your account page, you can cancel the subscription at any time, just by changing a web form. At that time, you no longer *authorize* payments to NCSoft, and you will no longer be charged the next month's subscription, but you can still play until your renewal date, since you paid in advance for the current month.
Admittedly, the only Brazilian MMO I can find is F2P, and doesn't require subscription -- but the MMO field globally is about equally divided between F2P and P2P games at this point, and there's no special agreement about the merits and flaws of either model.
Last time I checked NCSOFT sold only video games, not internet service, cable tv or health care. They only sell VIDEO GAMES.
Now this is what's happening (I'm going to put it in a hypothetical situation similar to what happned to me once).
"A person buys this game,but then for any reason, doesn't matter why, this person doesn't want to play anymore. Ok, in the end of the month he recives in his credit card bill the valor he paid for the game ($50 Dollars). But! Guess, what?
On the next month after that he gets a surprise in his credit card bill. Although he didnt even played the game anymore, although he didn't even has the game instaled for more than a month, he recives in his credit card bill a debt of $15 dollars for something he didn't even used, something he wasn't even aware of: A Subscription to Aion."
This company thinks they can charge you over and over again simply because ONCE you gave then your credit card number. That's right. For example: If I buy a video game at amazon once, you'll keep reciving the same video game again and again and again until you say "no I don't want it anymore". It's the same thing! We're talking about video games in here people, not cable tv or health care, so it's the same thing.
Also I played many MMO's and it's not truth that the majority of the games are like this, I bet that in the hundreds of games in this very website list not even half a dozen of then are like this.
And don't tell me "it's your fault because you didn't read the user agreement". We don't even read the video game history, we don't even read the quests the npcs ingame tells us to do and we don't even read about what's goin on in the game's plot. So nevertherless we read the user agreement, section 5: Billling! They know this, and because of that they do make a quick buck out of it! And again that's why I'm here for: To warm new players how those "barely legal" companies act.
Last time I checked NCSOFT sold only video games, not internet service, cable tv or health care. They only sell VIDEO GAMES. Now this is what's happening (I'm going to put it in a hypothetical situation similar to what happned to me once).
"A person buys this game,but then for any reason, doesn't matter why, this person doesn't want to play anymore. Ok, in the end of the month he recives in his credit card bill the valor he paid for the game ($50 Dollars). But! Guess, what? On the next month after that he gets a surprise in his credit card bill. Although he didnt even played the game anymore, although he didn't even has the game instaled for more than a month, he recives in his credit card bill a debt of $15 dollars for something he didn't even used, something he wasn't even aware of: A Subscription to Aion."
This company thinks they can charge you over and over again simply because ONCE you gave then your credit card number. That's right. For example: If I buy a video game at amazon once, you'll keep reciving the same video game again and again and again until you say "no I don't want it anymore". It's the same thing! We're talking about video games in here people, not cable tv or health care, so it's the same thing. Also I played many MMO's and it's not truth that the majority of the games are like this, I bet that in the hundreds of games in this very website list not even half a dozen of then are like this. And don't tell me "it's your fault because you didn't read the user agreement". We don't even read the video game history, we don't even read the quests the npcs ingame tells us to do and we don't even read about what's goin on in the game's plot. So nevertherless we read the user agreement, section 5: Billling! They know this, and because of that they do make a quick buck out of it! And again that's why I'm here for: To warm new players how those "barely legal" companies act.
What you fail to understand or comprehend is the fact that you not only bought a video game, you bought an MMORPG. it CLEARLY states it on the box that it requires a MONTHLY SUBSCRIPTION to be able to play the game. When you sign up on your account it clearly tells you that you will be charged per month for playing the game. There is no surprises here at all for anyone who actually reads what they are signing up for. You dont even have to read the user agreement, it tells you on the BOX and when you are creating your account.
There is another way around this and many MMO's use this, Game cards. You can buy them in usually 1-3 month lots and use them to pay so you dont have to give your credit card information.
And of course, I do have to state this. it IS YOUR FAULT if you do not read the box, the sign up form or the user agreement. it is plastered EVERYWHERE. Sorry, but you really do not have a leg to stand on when it comes to your arguement. Its like me saying I bought a new car, what do you mean I have to pay the gas for it every time the tank goes empty. Its common sense. No matter if its a video game, a new car, a cable subscription or buying a new house, it is up to the USER to read what they are getting into and if they fail to do so, its their own fault. I could almost understand where your coming from IF they tried to hide those charges, but they tell you everywhere you look that this is a monthly fee game, starting right on the dang BOX.
You know, this is the exact reason we now have warnings on every freaking thing you buy. You buy a frozen dinner, they now tell you to not eat the box. You buy a bottle of asprin, Dont eat the cotton inside. Come on people, just a teeny tiny little bit of common sense goes a looooooooong way.
I can't think of one game that does not say "RECURRING SUBSCRIPTION: CHOOSE LENGTH HERE...." And than lets you select how long. Of course, it is pretty hard to click CANCEL.
I don't know if I should be amazed or sad over this.
Maybe you should be warning people about the birth defects upon children born from women that take way too many drugs during pregnancy instead of mmorpg subsriptions.
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Seems like you are new, welcome to mmorpg world..
Well tbh people should stop to make newbie threads like that. Just ask to your real life friends or ingame friends before making thread like that.Because not worth it to post something like that on a big mmorpg sites.Those questions beginner questions, you can get info easily ingame or from real life friends etc
LMFAO didnt read the thread but really, you must be so fucking dumb this has got to be a troll. Just wow. Really?
Playing polished, lag free, feature complete games is carebear. Whining about a game you hate but still play is hardcore man!
But... but.... hes got a point. Do you all get t-shirts by mail every month? haha
Colored line stands out yet again.
Its not FOREVER, it's FOR AS LONG AS YOU ALLOW IT.
Yes, companies have made extra money from people who stopped playing for a month or two, because they forgot to cancel, but that's not the companies fault, or their main reason for using the system. Not all of them are out to rip you off.
Also, just so you know, you've completely lost all credibility as someone just trying to give advice to newcomers when you ended your initial post about how the koreans are evil people that will rip you off.
You honestly believed they were the only ones to do it in this fashion, and now that others have you informed you differently, you've attempted to change your story. Nice.
WOW... The idiocy of the OP astounds me...
OK, FORGET MMO's PERIOD.
The word "SUBSCRIPTION" should generally explain EVERYTHING.
I tells you on the payment screen that it is recurring, in the important information section at the top, this is no one’s fault but yours
sorry
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You never were." - a song lyric from Saetia, my fave band in the world.
You guys got trolled.
OMG:
Whips out SISSORS and cuts up MasterCard.... There now there strued..... take that NCSOFT (LMFAO)..... OHHH! wait...... Lol.
Read the box....."Must have a internet connection to play...... emmm how do you pay for that "SUBSCRIPTION" to the internet?
1 simple way out is to change to time cards. IF the game excepts them. anyway i am still LOL to hard.
When you or if you did order a T Shirt there is a Quantity you wish to order and that my friend is not a reacquiring bill it's a onetime sale. if you wish another at a later date then you need to order another one. OH OP! can you order me one to (OMG i am bad).
Have a great day mate i think you need to go have a beer, hell have two. (chuckles).
LOL.....
Hahaha! This isn't really relevant to the conversation, but I think it's hilarious that in the six pages of conversation, DukeDu has only posted one other time besides creating the thread.
Here, to give my post relevance: It's true, DukeDu, most "mainstream" MMOs require you give them ~ $15/month. It's just their way of getting an income whenever they're paying to patch the game, bring in content, maintain the servers, etc.
Age of Conan, Lineage II, World of Warcraft, Warhammer, EVE, EverQuest II... All require a monthly fee.
Lock this???
Like everyone else said. Every MMO does this, its the normal.
Its simple. If you only wanted to pay for 1 month of service with a CC. then just setup your account & pay for your 1st month, then after you do that, just cancel your subscription.
You get to play for the full month & your account will not auto renew.
I don't use a credit card... I use my Debit card and ti takes it right out of my account. All you have to do is just make sure you have the money in there and you are fine. This way you don't have to worry about paying your credit card. Anyway welcome to MMOs OP
To the OP: OR use this great invention on the internets called "Paypal". That way you don't give any of your CC info directly to NCsoft, AND you get the choice for either a one-time payment or the subscription based payment - all from your paypal account. Works kinda like debit, except you don't give any personal information away.
You're assuming he has friends.
You know you done fucked up, right?
Awesomeness
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What makes this even better is the OP played L2... HELLO!!!
Yes these are the ppl we play with... uhhg
DukeDu, I notice you are not from a generally English-speaking country, but the terms of service you quote say NCSoft will charge you "when you authorize" -- the box and terms of service specify there is a SUBSCRIPTION that is monthly, and you agree to pay it in the EULA and TOS somewhere (I don't want to dig for it now).
If this is a problem, it's either not reading all the EULA/TOS (who does?) or a language barrier. The subscription is all over the place in the game information. If you get the game in a box, there's also a warning that it requires monthly subscription (and another warning that tells you you need an internet connection), in addition to the minimum requirements for your computer to run the game. All of these are your responsibility to read before you install.
On the other hand, if you go to your account page, you can cancel the subscription at any time, just by changing a web form. At that time, you no longer *authorize* payments to NCSoft, and you will no longer be charged the next month's subscription, but you can still play until your renewal date, since you paid in advance for the current month.
Admittedly, the only Brazilian MMO I can find is F2P, and doesn't require subscription -- but the MMO field globally is about equally divided between F2P and P2P games at this point, and there's no special agreement about the merits and flaws of either model.
Good luck exploring the world of online gaming!
Shava
Last time I checked NCSOFT sold only video games, not internet service, cable tv or health care. They only sell VIDEO GAMES.
Now this is what's happening (I'm going to put it in a hypothetical situation similar to what happned to me once).
"A person buys this game,but then for any reason, doesn't matter why, this person doesn't want to play anymore. Ok, in the end of the month he recives in his credit card bill the valor he paid for the game ($50 Dollars). But! Guess, what?
On the next month after that he gets a surprise in his credit card bill. Although he didnt even played the game anymore, although he didn't even has the game instaled for more than a month, he recives in his credit card bill a debt of $15 dollars for something he didn't even used, something he wasn't even aware of: A Subscription to Aion."
This company thinks they can charge you over and over again simply because ONCE you gave then your credit card number. That's right. For example: If I buy a video game at amazon once, you'll keep reciving the same video game again and again and again until you say "no I don't want it anymore". It's the same thing! We're talking about video games in here people, not cable tv or health care, so it's the same thing.
Also I played many MMO's and it's not truth that the majority of the games are like this, I bet that in the hundreds of games in this very website list not even half a dozen of then are like this.
And don't tell me "it's your fault because you didn't read the user agreement". We don't even read the video game history, we don't even read the quests the npcs ingame tells us to do and we don't even read about what's goin on in the game's plot. So nevertherless we read the user agreement, section 5: Billling! They know this, and because of that they do make a quick buck out of it! And again that's why I'm here for: To warm new players how those "barely legal" companies act.
DukeDu,
May I be so bold as to ask what previous MMO's you have subscribed to, prior to Aion?
What you fail to understand or comprehend is the fact that you not only bought a video game, you bought an MMORPG. it CLEARLY states it on the box that it requires a MONTHLY SUBSCRIPTION to be able to play the game. When you sign up on your account it clearly tells you that you will be charged per month for playing the game. There is no surprises here at all for anyone who actually reads what they are signing up for. You dont even have to read the user agreement, it tells you on the BOX and when you are creating your account.
There is another way around this and many MMO's use this, Game cards. You can buy them in usually 1-3 month lots and use them to pay so you dont have to give your credit card information.
And of course, I do have to state this. it IS YOUR FAULT if you do not read the box, the sign up form or the user agreement. it is plastered EVERYWHERE. Sorry, but you really do not have a leg to stand on when it comes to your arguement. Its like me saying I bought a new car, what do you mean I have to pay the gas for it every time the tank goes empty. Its common sense. No matter if its a video game, a new car, a cable subscription or buying a new house, it is up to the USER to read what they are getting into and if they fail to do so, its their own fault. I could almost understand where your coming from IF they tried to hide those charges, but they tell you everywhere you look that this is a monthly fee game, starting right on the dang BOX.
You know, this is the exact reason we now have warnings on every freaking thing you buy. You buy a frozen dinner, they now tell you to not eat the box. You buy a bottle of asprin, Dont eat the cotton inside. Come on people, just a teeny tiny little bit of common sense goes a looooooooong way.
I GAVE EM MUH CWEDIT CAHRD NUMBA AND THEY TOOK MUH MONEEEYY
I can't think of one game that does not say "RECURRING SUBSCRIPTION: CHOOSE LENGTH HERE...." And than lets you select how long. Of course, it is pretty hard to click CANCEL.
I don't know if I should be amazed or sad over this.
I think the OP is over-reacting here. I have never had problems with NC Soft
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Maybe you should be warning people about the birth defects upon children born from women that take way too many drugs during pregnancy instead of mmorpg subsriptions.
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