Seriously, why are so many people trying to jump the gun on this game (both positively and negatively).
- It's not claiming to be anything new. It's just claiming to be good (which imho it is).
Atm it's going through a very similar thing now, that WoW did when it was in open beta. Too many players, all in the same place. The servers are simply being overwhelmed. However, this is what Open Betas are all about. They are the last big stress test the game will have before launch. This means (if the company is smart) they will do whatever they can to see the limits of their game's performance, and then tweak it until it's playable again. That seems to be exactly what they're doing now.
People need to stop trying to predict the success or failure of this game. It's already a success. The only question now is whether or not the west will give it enough of a chance for it to do well here. I hate to break it to some of you, but (while WoW is a success on both hemispheres) it would not seem anywhere near as successful as it does if it wasn't for it's eastern audience. They make up the bulk of MMOs atm.
I think ive stopped hating MMO's and just started hating people. Not fanboys or trolls, just more or less everyone. Its sad that threads and communitys (not just here or on other forums but ingame communitys as well) have really slain a love for MMO's I used to have. Back to batman arkham asylum
Wolfenpride: <--Giant fucking sword syndrome.
Probably cause im trying to compensate for miniscule manhood.
I think ive stopped hating MMO's and just started hating people. Not fanboys or trolls, just more or less everyone. Its sad that threads and communitys (not just here or on other forums but ingame communitys as well) have really slain a love for MMO's I used to have. Back to batman arkham asylum
ok, I've been on a 6 month hiatus from mmo's since I quit WAR. During those 6 months I managed to get my head on straight again. woot.
anyways, unlike most jaded, bitter, and angry gamers out there, I'm flooded with optimism, excitment, and anticipation for 2 new mmo's coming out within one year. I even bought myself a nice new rig for. (BTW which OS should I go with?)
Sometimes you just have to take a step back and look at the big picture. This website seems to be the main vent for people who are either looking for an new mmo, stuck in an mmo they love, are not playing any mmo's atm, or just sad people looking to start some forest fires.
One dude said some stuff in another thread along the lines of: " this place entertains me, its comical." get yer daily lolz !
All I know is folks are canceling their pre orders like crazy at the gamestop where I work and that seems to be a trend corperate wide..right now we have a surplus of Collectors editions we are going to put back on sale via our ecommerce page the day after launch.
I log onto WoW tonight and stormwind is packed....and it's a Monday.
Well apparantly the only thing left to see is the horde of pre-mature ejacluatorz leave because they didn't have the patience to even wait for the offical launch of the damn game - which they PRE -BOUGHT, that is amazing rofflecopterz right there sir.
Well apparantly the only thing left to see is the horde of pre-mature ejacluatorz leave because they didn't have the patience to even wait for the offical launch of the damn game - which they PRE -BOUGHT, that is amazing rofflecopterz right there sir.
That's almost as amazing as your inability to type a coherent sentence.
This is a sequence of characters intended to produce some profound mental effect, but it has failed.
All I know is folks are canceling their pre orders like crazy at the gamestop where I work and that seems to be a trend corperate wide..right now we have a surplus of Collectors editions we are going to put back on sale via our ecommerce page the day after launch. I log onto WoW tonight and stormwind is packed....and it's a Monday. Nothing to see here folks move along.
And all I know is your a silly little fanboy trying to tell people what they should and shouldnt like I keep seeing it on forums about Aion and it really is pathetic to say the least.
If Aion is bad for you come back after the 13th and give a constructive review.
Well apparantly the only thing left to see is the horde of pre-mature ejacluatorz leave because they didn't have the patience to even wait for the offical launch of the damn game - which they PRE -BOUGHT, that is amazing rofflecopterz right there sir.
That's almost as amazing as your inability to type a coherent sentence.
My run-on sentence skills are second to none, sir.
And btw, I never played WoW, and I could judge that it is a gigantic piece of flaming dog shit.
I wasn't gonna say anything about you trying to flame Toddze either, but I just couldn't resist you bringing up lame ass gramatical sentence structure. THIS IS THE FUCKING INTERNET, not english 101.
All I know is folks are canceling their pre orders like crazy at the gamestop where I work and that seems to be a trend corperate wide..right now we have a surplus of Collectors editions we are going to put back on sale via our ecommerce page the day after launch. I log onto WoW tonight and stormwind is packed....and it's a Monday. Nothing to see here folks move along.
I can't understand it. What is really the problem with WoW fanboi's? the fact that they are just supremely stupid or that they are afraid Aion could actually be just as good if not better than WoW? Or could it be that they are just too lazy to level a new toon in Aion opposed to the 50 lvl 80's they already have in WoW?
Veritas Vos Liberabit- The truth will set you free.
Yes it does. I have friends (rl and gaming friends) with very very similar gaming ideals. IF they tell me something from another game that they dont like, its 99.9% sure that I wont like it. Its not just MMO's. Anything from single player games to MMO's. I have saved a bundle of cash from listening to them. When I went aginst their opinion I was burnt. Also I am pretty good at reading real reviews and deciding from them if the game is for me or not. Keep in mind I loved Warcraft, played them countless hours and a huge Bnet fanatic. Loved the lore as-well. With WoW its not hard to tell at all that I would hate it. It goes aginst just about everything I look for in an MMO. So if your one of those people who have to play a game to know thats fine. Another Example: Aion, I am not a PvP fan so do I have to play Aion to know I wont care much for it? Hell no, I know I wont like it so whats the point. Unless I read some reviews on a great PvE system I am skipping this game. It would be stupid for me to buy Aion and then be pissed that its a PvP focus.
So how can you hate a game you've never even played again? Other peoples' reviews?
Hope your friends don't tell you that jumping off a bridge is the next MMO.
I knew this was your next point I almost edited my post.
WoW changed the direction of MMO's. You dont have to play WoW to know this or see the evedince of it. WoW single handely changed the MMO scene, IMO for the worse you dont have to agree thats fine, but I can gurantee I am not alone in this opinion. I can also gurantee some people that have played WoW has the same opinion.
In case you still cant see why I hate wow ill make it simple so that a WoW fan can understand it. WoW simplified the genre now to many MMO companies are in turn making all these shallow simple games to cater to the wow fanbase. I understand it from a business standpoint but as a gamer i hate it.
Jumping off a bridge has nothing to do with being a smart consumer, not wanting to waste money on a game. So try insulting me in a different way. I bet you could go grammer nazi on me because my spelling/punctuation is never right.
Edit: btw I have been told jumping off a bridge, or jumping out of an airplane is an adreneline rush but I dont have to bungie jump off a bridge or go sky diving to know its not for me.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore) Now Playing: N/A Worst MMO: FFXIV Favorite MMO: FFXI
All I know is folks are canceling their pre orders like crazy at the gamestop where I work and that seems to be a trend corperate wide..right now we have a surplus of Collectors editions we are going to put back on sale via our ecommerce page the day after launch. I log onto WoW tonight and stormwind is packed....and it's a Monday. Nothing to see here folks move along.
And I for one am happy to see all those give them back - the lag issues of the OB are ISP/backbone issues, not NCSoft server issues, and if these fools want to throw the game back because thier internet is broke, then so be it. Just the type of fools I dont want to see in this gaming community anyway.
Oh and dude, its a HOLIDAY Monday, dont be so amazed to see people logged into WoW on a freakin holiday. You know, no work, no school bus, a freaking holiday.
Some of these people are just amazing I swear.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
so its bad that WoW finally seems to have some competition? and aions fails for being popular? i for one am happy aion is doing so well. a propper pvp game that can get the "other" part of the gaming community that prefers pvp to pve is very welcome in my book. i would think the general mmo population would be happy there are options with semi-populated servers.
man people will just find any reason to bash aion these days huh?
I knew this was your next point I almost edited my post. WoW changed the direction of MMO's. You dont have to play WoW to know this or see the evedince of it. WoW single handely changed the MMO scene, IMO for the worse you dont have to agree thats fine, but I can gurantee I am not alone in this opinion. I can also gurantee some people that have played WoW has the same opinion. In case you still cant see why I hate wow ill make it simple so that a WoW fan can understand it. WoW simplified the genre now to many MMO companies are in turn making all these shallow simple games to cater to the wow fanbase. I understand it from a business standpoint but as a gamer i hate it. Jumping off a bridge has nothing to do with being a smart consumer, not wanting to waste money on a game. So try insulting me in a different way. I bet you could go grammer nazi on me because my spelling/punctuation is never right.
How exactly did it simplify the genre? I've played a big share of the market: EQ, EQ2, LoTR, AoC, WAR , FFXI, CoH/CoV, AO, RO, Vanguard, TCoS, RoM, Ryzom. None of the aforementioned are (or ever were) more complex than WoW. The genre isn't even built for complexity; RPG's aren't there to challenge you mentally, but to allow you to build a character and engage in a story line.
If you want to play a game for it's complexity, then I suggest chess, or hex.
This is a sequence of characters intended to produce some profound mental effect, but it has failed.
I knew this was your next point I almost edited my post. WoW changed the direction of MMO's. You dont have to play WoW to know this or see the evedince of it. WoW single handely changed the MMO scene, IMO for the worse you dont have to agree thats fine, but I can gurantee I am not alone in this opinion. I can also gurantee some people that have played WoW has the same opinion. In case you still cant see why I hate wow ill make it simple so that a WoW fan can understand it. WoW simplified the genre now to many MMO companies are in turn making all these shallow simple games to cater to the wow fanbase. I understand it from a business standpoint but as a gamer i hate it. Jumping off a bridge has nothing to do with being a smart consumer, not wanting to waste money on a game. So try insulting me in a different way. I bet you could go grammer nazi on me because my spelling/punctuation is never right.
How exactly did it simplify the genre? I've played a big share of the market: EQ, EQ2, LoTR, AoC, WAR , FFXI, CoH/CoV, AO, RO, Vanguard, TCoS, RoM, Ryzom. None of the aforementioned are (or ever were) more complex than WoW. The genre isn't even built for complexity; RPG's aren't there to challenge you mentally, but to allow you to build a character and engage in a story line.
If you want to play a game for it's complexity, then I suggest chess, or hex.
I have never said any game is complex or hard. I dont think anything you do sitting on your rear hitting buttons on a keybord is hard.
Ill give one example of simplifaction, there is no need to write a book on this, I could give countless other examples. How long did it take you to reach max level in EQ or in FFXI (Average playtime)? Assuming you played them pre-wow. They have been reduced post-wow. Now how long did it take you to level to max in WoW? You can measure WoW in weeks where ffxi and EQ literally took months. Months --------> weeks = simplified.
I am sure there was fast leveling in MMO's pre wow, but wow mainstreamed it. AoC and War followed suit. I got to max level in AoC in like 3 weeks.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore) Now Playing: N/A Worst MMO: FFXIV Favorite MMO: FFXI
I have friends (rl and gaming friends) with very very similar gaming ideals. IF they tell me something from another game that they dont like, its 99.9% sure that I wont like it. Its not just MMO's. Anything from single player games to MMO's. I have saved a bundle of cash from listening to them. When I went aginst their opinion I was burnt.
Also I am pretty good at reading real reviews and deciding from them if the game is for me or not.
Keep in mind I loved Warcraft, played them countless hours and a huge Bnet fanatic. Loved the lore as-well. With WoW its not hard to tell at all that I would hate it. It goes aginst just about everything I look for in an MMO. So if your one of those people who have to play a game to know thats fine.
Another Example: Aion, I am not a PvP fan so do I have to play Aion to know I wont care much for it? Hell no, I know I wont like it so whats the point. Unless I read some reviews on a great PvE system I am skipping this game. It would be stupid for me to buy Aion and then be pissed that its a PvP focus.
If you friends hate someone that you have never met would you hate them to? Sorry I couldn't resist, but really hate is a really strong word, especially for something you have never even experienced. It is understandable though that you know a game will not be to your tastes, but hating implies personal experience that has ended with something drastic happening.
If aion is a quality game that does what it sets out to do then by no means is it a cancer. Who cares how many posts there are about the game. The genre really needs a win right about now considering how lousy last year was.
If you friends hate someone that you have never met would you hate them to? Sorry I couldn't resist, but really hate is a really strong word, especially for something you have never even experienced. It is understandable though that you know a game will not be to your tastes, but hating implies personal experience that has ended with something drastic happening.
@original topic. If aion is a quality game that does what it sets out to do then by no means is it a cancer. Who cares how many posts there are about the game. The genre really needs a win right about now considering how lousy last year was.
It would depend on why some of my friends dislike them.
I have been in bar fights before helping my friends, fighting people I had no idea who they were or why they were even fighting. All that matter that my friend was in it.
If you think this is rare occasion you really need to get away from your computer and go to the outside world. If you dont think it works like that go to a bar find a group (3 or 4) of guys that look like friends pick one, spout something off, and then blast the ever loving hell out of him. Most likely youll be fighting all of em. Why because in the real world friends will help their friends. If you had a friend that sat there and watched you get you asds kicked, hes not much of a friend now is he?
Too many peoples reality has been scewed because they never leave the basement.
My hate for WoW stems from what it has done to the genre, (Which we all are experinecing), I guess I dont really hate the game itself, just whats its done to the genre. So I still boils down to WoW. That maybe cleared it up a little
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore) Now Playing: N/A Worst MMO: FFXIV Favorite MMO: FFXI
I'm sorry, but almost everything you said is so wrong. First of all, Wow is still the hot topic in almost every discussion regarding MMOs. What even gave you the notion that Wow is heading down hill? Day and age? What? Aion is doing great, that is for sure. But in no way even close to Wow as of yet. I'm not trying to make Aion look bad or anything here. It's a well known fact that Wow is in a class of it's own in regards to MMOs.
Don't get me wrong. I am not stating that Aion nor World of Warcraft is a bad game. I personally agree that they both have aspects to the game which make them fun. I am only stating that Aion is starting to become an epidemic like World of Warcraft. Every corner of the internet I turn, I see something related to World of Warcraft. Whether it be Ads or a simple Google Search. Aion seems (in my opinion) to be doing the same. I'm starting to see Ads here and there, and even the occasional topic relating to Aion.
I'm sure glad you cleared up that calling Wo_ (censored) a cancer is not calling it a bad game. It certainly is not. In any financial measurement it's a freaking cash cow. A cheap one too. Sixteen bucks a month? a pittance, small eneough for me to have 3 accounts (limted to 3 because I'm a clutz). Culturally it has spawned acronyms and words that have become embedded in our language. PVP? when millions outside of a game know what "AV" means, it's had an impact there. Competition? heck, every game is measured against it. Aion won't sink on swim based on what Wo_ (censored) is or isn't. It will suceed ( in our eyes) when it stands on our own and we rarely think about going back to our rogue, or pallys (disgusting class, really).
If you didn't see "Aion" wherever you turned, I'd have to say marketing at NC was sleeping.
Well my brother pre-ordered just to get the beta, so did my cousin and 3 guys from my guild in wow.
So far the word back from all 5 is this.
4 say "Aion looks nice, and it could be a good game, it's like taking the eastern art and the western game style and slamming them together, but it isn't on wow calibre so we aren't changing."
1 said " I had such a shitty experience just getting it dled installed and setup, that by the time i did play it, I really just didn't want to, but from the few hours I did play it, it wasn't as good as wow."
I was really hoping it would be though, cause I really wanted to try it. I am personally tired of wow, but I won't leave it for something that can't beat it in every aspect of the game.
If experiencing something was a criteria for many things, or ability to do things it would be a very limited world indeed. Not a vetran/ sorry, you can't talk about military matters. If a person expresses the facts of having years of playing something similar, and takes the time to read up on something, I would tend to give credence to alot of what they say, whtin reason of course. Most likely, the friends, or many, would be likewise "experienced" in a general sense.
So while I would say play might confirm a suspicion for or against a game, I'm not totally opposed to the fact that it's possible to make an informed decision about a game without playing. I may not agree with the person, but I wouldn't discount it out of hand either.
Besides, the problem with everything is pet caused global warming. The sooner we start blaming humans the better. Next thing ya know we'll be calling asmodians ugly (snicker).
I'm starting to believe that Aion - Tower of Eternity is starting to become a cancer that is slowly spreading like World of Warcraft. Do you agree? I mean yeah sure, we all had high hopes for this game and we expected a lot to come from it. As the previous topic that is currently being debated said. "Aion isn't that great" and I for one say it's kind of true. Sure Aion had released a few features that made the game fun, and yes I for one am all about the other aspects of the game they included instead of the constant grinding most MMO's put you through.
But seriously, everywhere I look. I always see some topic flair up about Aion as like World of Warcraft did back in it's time. If you ask me, this game is starting to become a fail like World of Warcraft did. Everyone liked World of Warcraft too much till the internet finally sank its hands in and then it went all down hill from there. I'm starting to see some topics talk negatively about Aion as well. It won't be long now till people start saying "Aion Clone!" or something related to the terms we use for World of Warcraft in this day and age.
-Lusts;
Of course this forum is aflame with new posts about AION. This is a mmorpg forum and Aion is the next WoW on paper..
However I don't see AION catching on in the general public the way WoW is. WoW is played by four of my nephews. They wouldn't switch for anything in the world. For most parents WoW is = online roleplaying game. Aion is up against not a better game, but a phenomenon. And Aion will lose that struggle.
If Aion was much more different or offered a totally new experience it would stand a chance against WoW.
My personal belief is that Aion will be a new Lotro....
If you friends hate someone that you have never met would you hate them to? Sorry I couldn't resist, but really hate is a really strong word, especially for something you have never even experienced. It is understandable though that you know a game will not be to your tastes, but hating implies personal experience that has ended with something drastic happening.
@original topic. If aion is a quality game that does what it sets out to do then by no means is it a cancer. Who cares how many posts there are about the game. The genre really needs a win right about now considering how lousy last year was.
It would depend on why some of my friends dislike them.
I have been in bar fights before helping my friends, fighting people I had no idea who they were or why they were even fighting. All that matter that my friend was in it.
If you think this is rare occasion you really need to get away from your computer and go to the outside world. If you dont think it works like that go to a bar find a group (3 or 4) of guys that look like friends pick one, spout something off, and then blast the ever loving hell out of him. Most likely youll be fighting all of em. Why because in the real world friends will help their friends. If you had a friend that sat there and watched you get you asds kicked, hes not much of a friend now is he?
Too many peoples reality has been scewed because they never leave the basement.
My hate for WoW stems from what it has done to the genre, (Which we all are experinecing), I guess I dont really hate the game itself, just whats its done to the genre. So I still boils down to WoW. That maybe cleared it up a little
If your friends were not with you at that bar, perhaps you would have ended up having some drinks with that other group of people and becoming really good friends instead of blindly hating them for no other reason than what your friends have decided to do. You will never know that, because your friends made that decision for you. See how that works.
Maybe your friend needs a good asskicking if they are getting into bar fights.
As for hating wow for what is has done to the genre, that makes about as much sense as hating something you have never even played before.
The only reason wow is having such an effect on the genre, is because the genre is so damn weak. One game should not have this profound of an effect on the entire market, but it does simply because of how incompetent other companies have been managing their products. All it would have taken to make things drastically different than they are now is for a few other companies to do their job, but sadly they struggle at that.
Lets put some blame on the people who really need to be accountable for how terrible the mmo market is right now. How many companies have been handed intelectual properties that should have been a license to print money, but they screwed it up so badly they have to fire the leadership responsible?
As for hating wow for what is has done to the genre, that makes about as much sense as hating something you have never even played before. The only reason wow is having such an effect on the genre, is because the genre is so damn weak. One game should not have this profound of an effect on the entire market, but it does simply because of how incompetent other companies have been managing their products. All it would have taken to make things drastically different than they are now is for a few other companies to do their job, but sadly they struggle at that.
There are people out there that share the same opinion as me that have played WoW. Thus dicounting my opinion because I have never played it is irrelevant. I have been in the mmo genre a long time, I actually consider it a hobby of mine. The differnce pre-wow and post-wow is night and day. other companies look at wow and try to emulate wows sucess. This is what the genre main problem is. It stems from WoW.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore) Now Playing: N/A Worst MMO: FFXIV Favorite MMO: FFXI
I have never said any game is complex or hard. I dont think anything you do sitting on your rear hitting buttons on a keybord is hard. Ill give one example of simplifaction, there is no need to write a book on this, I could give countless other examples. How long did it take you to reach max level in EQ or in FFXI (Average playtime)? Assuming you played them pre-wow. They have been reduced post-wow. Now how long did it take you to level to max in WoW? You can measure WoW in weeks where ffxi and EQ literally took months. Months --------> weeks = simplified. I am sure there was fast leveling in MMO's pre wow, but wow mainstreamed it. AoC and War followed suit. I got to max level in AoC in like 3 weeks.
2. simplification - elimination of superfluous details
There is the relevant definition of the word as you used it, I suppose, since you just agreed that it wasn't made any less complex.
I never made it to max level in FFXI, or EQ , because I had gotten well bored out of my wits before coming close; leveling had gotten so tedious and BORING that I couldn't advance any further. I think that kind of simplification is a good thing: I'd rather not be relegated to monotonous, tedious tasks without some kind of monetary compensation or advancement, since I don't enjoy them.
If you enjoy doing tedious things, then more power to you, but most of the market has shown otherwise, which is why it has become much more easy to level in the latest games when compared to their predecessors (Aion being compared with L2 in this case).
I remember playing diablo 2 when hitting max level literally took months of mindless grinding and it's a breath of fresh air to not ever have to do anything remotely similar ever again.
This is a sequence of characters intended to produce some profound mental effect, but it has failed.
I have never said any game is complex or hard. I dont think anything you do sitting on your rear hitting buttons on a keybord is hard. Ill give one example of simplifaction, there is no need to write a book on this, I could give countless other examples. How long did it take you to reach max level in EQ or in FFXI (Average playtime)? Assuming you played them pre-wow. They have been reduced post-wow. Now how long did it take you to level to max in WoW? You can measure WoW in weeks where ffxi and EQ literally took months. Months --------> weeks = simplified. I am sure there was fast leveling in MMO's pre wow, but wow mainstreamed it. AoC and War followed suit. I got to max level in AoC in like 3 weeks.
2. simplification - elimination of superfluous details
There is the relevant definition of the word as you used it, I suppose, since you just agreed that it wasn't made any less complex.
I never made it to max level in FFXI, or EQ , because I had gotten well bored out of my wits before coming close; leveling had gotten so tedious and BORING that I couldn't advance any further. I think that kind of simplification is a good thing: I'd rather not be relegated to monotonous, tedious tasks without some kind of monetary compensation or advancement, since I don't enjoy them.
If you enjoy doing tedious things, then more power to you, but most of the market has shown otherwise, which is why it has become much more easy to level in the latest games when compared to their predecessors (Aion being compared with L2 in this case).
I remember playing diablo 2 when hitting max level literally took months of mindless grinding and it's a breath of fresh air to not ever have to do anything remotely similar ever again.
You see I dont think thats a good thing. Neither one of us is right or wrong.
The relevant argument is that WoW has made all MMO's cater to the crowd that shares your opinion. WoW brought a ton of people who share your opinion to the market. The people who share my opinion are ignored. You call it tedious and monotonous, I call it dedication because I veiw MMO's as a hobby. Difference of opinion. The fact is games are not made with what I enjoyed in past mmo's and what brought me to the mmo genre anymore. I think everyone should have a game to play the FFA PvP fans, sandbox fans, thempark fans PvE fans. casual/hardcore fans. We all want a game to play. But all were getting is wowesque games, that take no dedication.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore) Now Playing: N/A Worst MMO: FFXIV Favorite MMO: FFXI
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Seriously, why are so many people trying to jump the gun on this game (both positively and negatively).
- It's not claiming to be anything new. It's just claiming to be good (which imho it is).
Atm it's going through a very similar thing now, that WoW did when it was in open beta. Too many players, all in the same place. The servers are simply being overwhelmed. However, this is what Open Betas are all about. They are the last big stress test the game will have before launch. This means (if the company is smart) they will do whatever they can to see the limits of their game's performance, and then tweak it until it's playable again. That seems to be exactly what they're doing now.
People need to stop trying to predict the success or failure of this game. It's already a success. The only question now is whether or not the west will give it enough of a chance for it to do well here. I hate to break it to some of you, but (while WoW is a success on both hemispheres) it would not seem anywhere near as successful as it does if it wasn't for it's eastern audience. They make up the bulk of MMOs atm.
I think ive stopped hating MMO's and just started hating people. Not fanboys or trolls, just more or less everyone. Its sad that threads and communitys (not just here or on other forums but ingame communitys as well) have really slain a love for MMO's I used to have. Back to batman arkham asylum
Wolfenpride: <--Giant fucking sword syndrome.
Probably cause im trying to compensate for miniscule manhood.
ok, I've been on a 6 month hiatus from mmo's since I quit WAR. During those 6 months I managed to get my head on straight again. woot.
anyways, unlike most jaded, bitter, and angry gamers out there, I'm flooded with optimism, excitment, and anticipation for 2 new mmo's coming out within one year. I even bought myself a nice new rig for. (BTW which OS should I go with?)
Sometimes you just have to take a step back and look at the big picture. This website seems to be the main vent for people who are either looking for an new mmo, stuck in an mmo they love, are not playing any mmo's atm, or just sad people looking to start some forest fires.
One dude said some stuff in another thread along the lines of: " this place entertains me, its comical." get yer daily lolz !
All I know is folks are canceling their pre orders like crazy at the gamestop where I work and that seems to be a trend corperate wide..right now we have a surplus of Collectors editions we are going to put back on sale via our ecommerce page the day after launch.
I log onto WoW tonight and stormwind is packed....and it's a Monday.
Nothing to see here folks move along.
Well apparantly the only thing left to see is the horde of pre-mature ejacluatorz leave because they didn't have the patience to even wait for the offical launch of the damn game - which they PRE -BOUGHT, that is amazing rofflecopterz right there sir.
That's almost as amazing as your inability to type a coherent sentence.
This is a sequence of characters intended to produce some profound mental effect, but it has failed.
And all I know is your a silly little fanboy trying to tell people what they should and shouldnt like I keep seeing it on forums about Aion and it really is pathetic to say the least.
If Aion is bad for you come back after the 13th and give a constructive review.
That's almost as amazing as your inability to type a coherent sentence.
My run-on sentence skills are second to none, sir.
And btw, I never played WoW, and I could judge that it is a gigantic piece of flaming dog shit.
I wasn't gonna say anything about you trying to flame Toddze either, but I just couldn't resist you bringing up lame ass gramatical sentence structure. THIS IS THE FUCKING INTERNET, not english 101.
I can't understand it. What is really the problem with WoW fanboi's? the fact that they are just supremely stupid or that they are afraid Aion could actually be just as good if not better than WoW? Or could it be that they are just too lazy to level a new toon in Aion opposed to the 50 lvl 80's they already have in WoW?
Veritas Vos Liberabit- The truth will set you free.
So how can you hate a game you've never even played again? Other peoples' reviews?
Hope your friends don't tell you that jumping off a bridge is the next MMO.
I knew this was your next point I almost edited my post.
WoW changed the direction of MMO's. You dont have to play WoW to know this or see the evedince of it. WoW single handely changed the MMO scene, IMO for the worse you dont have to agree thats fine, but I can gurantee I am not alone in this opinion. I can also gurantee some people that have played WoW has the same opinion.
In case you still cant see why I hate wow ill make it simple so that a WoW fan can understand it. WoW simplified the genre now to many MMO companies are in turn making all these shallow simple games to cater to the wow fanbase. I understand it from a business standpoint but as a gamer i hate it.
Jumping off a bridge has nothing to do with being a smart consumer, not wanting to waste money on a game. So try insulting me in a different way. I bet you could go grammer nazi on me because my spelling/punctuation is never right.
Edit: btw I have been told jumping off a bridge, or jumping out of an airplane is an adreneline rush but I dont have to bungie jump off a bridge or go sky diving to know its not for me.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore)
Now Playing: N/A
Worst MMO: FFXIV
Favorite MMO: FFXI
1st off if you liked WoW I don't think you have no real idea what a good game is.
EQ changed the face of MMO's forever.
WoW copied it, cartoonised it and made it easy so any player with a low end system can play.
2nd... not a fan of pvp..
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And I for one am happy to see all those give them back - the lag issues of the OB are ISP/backbone issues, not NCSoft server issues, and if these fools want to throw the game back because thier internet is broke, then so be it. Just the type of fools I dont want to see in this gaming community anyway.
Oh and dude, its a HOLIDAY Monday, dont be so amazed to see people logged into WoW on a freakin holiday. You know, no work, no school bus, a freaking holiday.
Some of these people are just amazing I swear.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
so its bad that WoW finally seems to have some competition? and aions fails for being popular? i for one am happy aion is doing so well. a propper pvp game that can get the "other" part of the gaming community that prefers pvp to pve is very welcome in my book. i would think the general mmo population would be happy there are options with semi-populated servers.
man people will just find any reason to bash aion these days huh?
How exactly did it simplify the genre? I've played a big share of the market: EQ, EQ2, LoTR, AoC, WAR , FFXI, CoH/CoV, AO, RO, Vanguard, TCoS, RoM, Ryzom. None of the aforementioned are (or ever were) more complex than WoW. The genre isn't even built for complexity; RPG's aren't there to challenge you mentally, but to allow you to build a character and engage in a story line.
If you want to play a game for it's complexity, then I suggest chess, or hex.
This is a sequence of characters intended to produce some profound mental effect, but it has failed.
How exactly did it simplify the genre? I've played a big share of the market: EQ, EQ2, LoTR, AoC, WAR , FFXI, CoH/CoV, AO, RO, Vanguard, TCoS, RoM, Ryzom. None of the aforementioned are (or ever were) more complex than WoW. The genre isn't even built for complexity; RPG's aren't there to challenge you mentally, but to allow you to build a character and engage in a story line.
If you want to play a game for it's complexity, then I suggest chess, or hex.
I have never said any game is complex or hard. I dont think anything you do sitting on your rear hitting buttons on a keybord is hard.
Ill give one example of simplifaction, there is no need to write a book on this, I could give countless other examples. How long did it take you to reach max level in EQ or in FFXI (Average playtime)? Assuming you played them pre-wow. They have been reduced post-wow. Now how long did it take you to level to max in WoW? You can measure WoW in weeks where ffxi and EQ literally took months. Months --------> weeks = simplified.
I am sure there was fast leveling in MMO's pre wow, but wow mainstreamed it. AoC and War followed suit. I got to max level in AoC in like 3 weeks.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore)
Now Playing: N/A
Worst MMO: FFXIV
Favorite MMO: FFXI
That makes perfect sense.
Yes it does.
I have friends (rl and gaming friends) with very very similar gaming ideals. IF they tell me something from another game that they dont like, its 99.9% sure that I wont like it. Its not just MMO's. Anything from single player games to MMO's. I have saved a bundle of cash from listening to them. When I went aginst their opinion I was burnt.
Also I am pretty good at reading real reviews and deciding from them if the game is for me or not.
Keep in mind I loved Warcraft, played them countless hours and a huge Bnet fanatic. Loved the lore as-well. With WoW its not hard to tell at all that I would hate it. It goes aginst just about everything I look for in an MMO. So if your one of those people who have to play a game to know thats fine.
Another Example: Aion, I am not a PvP fan so do I have to play Aion to know I wont care much for it? Hell no, I know I wont like it so whats the point. Unless I read some reviews on a great PvE system I am skipping this game. It would be stupid for me to buy Aion and then be pissed that its a PvP focus.
If you friends hate someone that you have never met would you hate them to? Sorry I couldn't resist, but really hate is a really strong word, especially for something you have never even experienced. It is understandable though that you know a game will not be to your tastes, but hating implies personal experience that has ended with something drastic happening.
@original topic.
If aion is a quality game that does what it sets out to do then by no means is it a cancer. Who cares how many posts there are about the game. The genre really needs a win right about now considering how lousy last year was.
It would depend on why some of my friends dislike them.
I have been in bar fights before helping my friends, fighting people I had no idea who they were or why they were even fighting. All that matter that my friend was in it.
If you think this is rare occasion you really need to get away from your computer and go to the outside world. If you dont think it works like that go to a bar find a group (3 or 4) of guys that look like friends pick one, spout something off, and then blast the ever loving hell out of him. Most likely youll be fighting all of em. Why because in the real world friends will help their friends. If you had a friend that sat there and watched you get you asds kicked, hes not much of a friend now is he?
Too many peoples reality has been scewed because they never leave the basement.
My hate for WoW stems from what it has done to the genre, (Which we all are experinecing), I guess I dont really hate the game itself, just whats its done to the genre. So I still boils down to WoW. That maybe cleared it up a little
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore)
Now Playing: N/A
Worst MMO: FFXIV
Favorite MMO: FFXI
Don't get me wrong. I am not stating that Aion nor World of Warcraft is a bad game. I personally agree that they both have aspects to the game which make them fun. I am only stating that Aion is starting to become an epidemic like World of Warcraft. Every corner of the internet I turn, I see something related to World of Warcraft. Whether it be Ads or a simple Google Search. Aion seems (in my opinion) to be doing the same. I'm starting to see Ads here and there, and even the occasional topic relating to Aion.
I'm sure glad you cleared up that calling Wo_ (censored) a cancer is not calling it a bad game. It certainly is not. In any financial measurement it's a freaking cash cow. A cheap one too. Sixteen bucks a month? a pittance, small eneough for me to have 3 accounts (limted to 3 because I'm a clutz). Culturally it has spawned acronyms and words that have become embedded in our language. PVP? when millions outside of a game know what "AV" means, it's had an impact there. Competition? heck, every game is measured against it. Aion won't sink on swim based on what Wo_ (censored) is or isn't. It will suceed ( in our eyes) when it stands on our own and we rarely think about going back to our rogue, or pallys (disgusting class, really).
If you didn't see "Aion" wherever you turned, I'd have to say marketing at NC was sleeping.
Well my brother pre-ordered just to get the beta, so did my cousin and 3 guys from my guild in wow.
So far the word back from all 5 is this.
4 say "Aion looks nice, and it could be a good game, it's like taking the eastern art and the western game style and slamming them together, but it isn't on wow calibre so we aren't changing."
1 said " I had such a shitty experience just getting it dled installed and setup, that by the time i did play it, I really just didn't want to, but from the few hours I did play it, it wasn't as good as wow."
I was really hoping it would be though, cause I really wanted to try it. I am personally tired of wow, but I won't leave it for something that can't beat it in every aspect of the game.
If experiencing something was a criteria for many things, or ability to do things it would be a very limited world indeed. Not a vetran/ sorry, you can't talk about military matters. If a person expresses the facts of having years of playing something similar, and takes the time to read up on something, I would tend to give credence to alot of what they say, whtin reason of course. Most likely, the friends, or many, would be likewise "experienced" in a general sense.
So while I would say play might confirm a suspicion for or against a game, I'm not totally opposed to the fact that it's possible to make an informed decision about a game without playing. I may not agree with the person, but I wouldn't discount it out of hand either.
Besides, the problem with everything is pet caused global warming. The sooner we start blaming humans the better. Next thing ya know we'll be calling asmodians ugly (snicker).
Of course this forum is aflame with new posts about AION. This is a mmorpg forum and Aion is the next WoW on paper..
However I don't see AION catching on in the general public the way WoW is. WoW is played by four of my nephews. They wouldn't switch for anything in the world. For most parents WoW is = online roleplaying game. Aion is up against not a better game, but a phenomenon. And Aion will lose that struggle.
If Aion was much more different or offered a totally new experience it would stand a chance against WoW.
My personal belief is that Aion will be a new Lotro....
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It would depend on why some of my friends dislike them.
I have been in bar fights before helping my friends, fighting people I had no idea who they were or why they were even fighting. All that matter that my friend was in it.
If you think this is rare occasion you really need to get away from your computer and go to the outside world. If you dont think it works like that go to a bar find a group (3 or 4) of guys that look like friends pick one, spout something off, and then blast the ever loving hell out of him. Most likely youll be fighting all of em. Why because in the real world friends will help their friends. If you had a friend that sat there and watched you get you asds kicked, hes not much of a friend now is he?
Too many peoples reality has been scewed because they never leave the basement.
My hate for WoW stems from what it has done to the genre, (Which we all are experinecing), I guess I dont really hate the game itself, just whats its done to the genre. So I still boils down to WoW. That maybe cleared it up a little
If your friends were not with you at that bar, perhaps you would have ended up having some drinks with that other group of people and becoming really good friends instead of blindly hating them for no other reason than what your friends have decided to do. You will never know that, because your friends made that decision for you. See how that works.
Maybe your friend needs a good asskicking if they are getting into bar fights.
As for hating wow for what is has done to the genre, that makes about as much sense as hating something you have never even played before.
The only reason wow is having such an effect on the genre, is because the genre is so damn weak. One game should not have this profound of an effect on the entire market, but it does simply because of how incompetent other companies have been managing their products. All it would have taken to make things drastically different than they are now is for a few other companies to do their job, but sadly they struggle at that.
Lets put some blame on the people who really need to be accountable for how terrible the mmo market is right now. How many companies have been handed intelectual properties that should have been a license to print money, but they screwed it up so badly they have to fire the leadership responsible?
There are people out there that share the same opinion as me that have played WoW. Thus dicounting my opinion because I have never played it is irrelevant. I have been in the mmo genre a long time, I actually consider it a hobby of mine. The differnce pre-wow and post-wow is night and day. other companies look at wow and try to emulate wows sucess. This is what the genre main problem is. It stems from WoW.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore)
Now Playing: N/A
Worst MMO: FFXIV
Favorite MMO: FFXI
2. simplification - elimination of superfluous details
There is the relevant definition of the word as you used it, I suppose, since you just agreed that it wasn't made any less complex.
I never made it to max level in FFXI, or EQ , because I had gotten well bored out of my wits before coming close; leveling had gotten so tedious and BORING that I couldn't advance any further. I think that kind of simplification is a good thing: I'd rather not be relegated to monotonous, tedious tasks without some kind of monetary compensation or advancement, since I don't enjoy them.
If you enjoy doing tedious things, then more power to you, but most of the market has shown otherwise, which is why it has become much more easy to level in the latest games when compared to their predecessors (Aion being compared with L2 in this case).
I remember playing diablo 2 when hitting max level literally took months of mindless grinding and it's a breath of fresh air to not ever have to do anything remotely similar ever again.
This is a sequence of characters intended to produce some profound mental effect, but it has failed.
2. simplification - elimination of superfluous details
There is the relevant definition of the word as you used it, I suppose, since you just agreed that it wasn't made any less complex.
I never made it to max level in FFXI, or EQ , because I had gotten well bored out of my wits before coming close; leveling had gotten so tedious and BORING that I couldn't advance any further. I think that kind of simplification is a good thing: I'd rather not be relegated to monotonous, tedious tasks without some kind of monetary compensation or advancement, since I don't enjoy them.
If you enjoy doing tedious things, then more power to you, but most of the market has shown otherwise, which is why it has become much more easy to level in the latest games when compared to their predecessors (Aion being compared with L2 in this case).
I remember playing diablo 2 when hitting max level literally took months of mindless grinding and it's a breath of fresh air to not ever have to do anything remotely similar ever again.
You see I dont think thats a good thing. Neither one of us is right or wrong.
The relevant argument is that WoW has made all MMO's cater to the crowd that shares your opinion. WoW brought a ton of people who share your opinion to the market. The people who share my opinion are ignored. You call it tedious and monotonous, I call it dedication because I veiw MMO's as a hobby. Difference of opinion. The fact is games are not made with what I enjoyed in past mmo's and what brought me to the mmo genre anymore. I think everyone should have a game to play the FFA PvP fans, sandbox fans, thempark fans PvE fans. casual/hardcore fans. We all want a game to play. But all were getting is wowesque games, that take no dedication.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore)
Now Playing: N/A
Worst MMO: FFXIV
Favorite MMO: FFXI