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On the account of PvE combat, you are right. WoW have more valid play styles than EvE here. This is mostly be course the AI sucks (though the new AI for the Sleeper race is huge improvement) and many combat options really dont have the great effect on PvE combat.
If you said the same of PvP I would not agree. EvE shines in the PvP department. Here the full range of weapons and modules come into play and opens up for depths that EvE's PvE side simply dont have.
I wouldn't be so hard on yourself, if you cannot get into the game why not simply try some of the other SciFi mmo, some of these are coming out early next year too. You aren't the only one to find EvE hard to get into, remember the game failed to catch on in China, so clearly it does not appeal to everyone.
On the account of PvE combat, you are right. WoW have more valid play styles than EvE here. This is mostly be course the AI sucks (though the new AI for the Sleeper race is huge improvement) and many combat options really dont have the great effect on PvE combat.
If you said the same of PvP I would not agree. EvE shines in the PvP department. Here the full range of weapons and modules come into play and opens up for depths that EvE's PvE side simply dont have.
Nope. I didn't NOT say that for Eve PvP. The primary reason is that i haven't done any PvP during my trial (and PvP is not my focus anyway).
Actually I bet good AI is not that difficult to code (how hard it is to ignore the threat list, and target Mage/healers first?) but AI in MMOs are intentionally dumbed down to enable more fun combat. Plus a lot of scripting can/should be used.
It is a shame there is no good PvE space game Hopefully that will change soon with BP, JGE & STO.
I will say the sleepers are a whole new cup of tea.
The AI isn't up to roaming gangs and smacktalk yet but the sleepers will spank you if you don't think through your fleet, fitting, and tactics.
The Capital instant response vaporization squad is a nice touch too...
deviliscious: (PS. I have been told that when I use scientific language, it does not make me sound more intelligent, it only makes me sound like a jackass. It makes me appear that I am not knowledgable enough in the subject I am discussing to be able to translate it for people outside the field to understand. Some advice you might consider as well)
EvE far from sucks,
1. it has 300k subs.
2. It has a decent PvP focus.
3. It is a form of sandbox game.
4. It has a large core loyal fanbase.
True its PvE is lacking compared to mainstream MMO,s such as WoW or EQ, but this hardly makes it a game that sucks.
I suspect the OP is just trying to troll.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
If this is the case he should probably win some kind of award : )
The "Forum Primary Award for Massive Eve Fanboy Aggro"
Yeah, I said it. I'm an Eve Fanboy and I don't give a damn who knows it...
deviliscious: (PS. I have been told that when I use scientific language, it does not make me sound more intelligent, it only makes me sound like a jackass. It makes me appear that I am not knowledgable enough in the subject I am discussing to be able to translate it for people outside the field to understand. Some advice you might consider as well)
More peoples play checkers than chess too. I suppose you think its because checkers is so amazing and chess is so dull.
More peoples play checkers than chess too. I suppose you think its because checkers is so amazing and chess is so dull.
(misquoted but I hope the point is understood)
Well, most people don't play MMOs because they find it boring. Does that mean they suck?
Anyway the game while may not have an explosive population growth like WoW had (not really possible to mention a second example of that explosive growth), it has faced a constant playerbase growth all over these years and has a pretty solid sub number, probably the biggest sandbox of the genre.
It's all about demand, and if EVE continues to grow and generate more money than before, it certainly means it does not suck economically, and that's all it needs to stay alive and fuel this thread... because apparently if a game sucks for some it means it needs to die.
If this is the case he should probably win some kind of award : )
The "Forum Primary Award for Massive Eve Fanboy Aggro"
Yeah, I said it. I'm an Eve Fanboy and I don't give a damn who knows it...
You guys wish this was some sort of troll..
The problem with EVE specifically is their skill system. Without it their game wouldn't be complete shit.
It's funny how every response to my complaints about the skill system are:
Oh it only adds versatility, makes your character more general, etc. It's not useful at all to have 5-10 years worth of skill investments. The fact is, that you will never catch up to other players in EVE, because CCP are morons who made an MMORPG that has nothing to do with investing effort into your character.
It's also funny how the EVE people respond with "The player who doesn't play much won't have much ISK or Experience". These are extremely weak arguments. It might take me a week of playing EVE before I figure out how to play it good, you don't need 6 months of playtime to figure out something.
And who wants to collect ISK all day on meaningless missions that are not challenging at all? EVE's whole system would be like if you made people in WoW repeat those low level quests for several months straight. Go kill 5 wild boars.. Go kill 5 orcs, etc. Imagine that being all there is to do in a game, just to collect ISK on meaningless missions that have NO CHALLENGE.
Or you can always make ISK while being AFK through mining..
So the person who plays 5 minutes a week won't have as much ISK, but they will be able to fly better ships once they are playing again, and will have a better character than someone who invested a lot of time at once.
In any case, they could just buy the ISK with real money, which is fine in EVE because it's a game for lazy players so clearly buying ISK online is fine and so is having a skill system that works while offline.
Their game is just slanted to people who don't want to invest any time into MMORPGs. And the sad thing is you can't catch up to these players. They might be total newbs and your character will never be as good. You might fly better, but the idiotic skill system gave them more points for maintaining a subscription longer.
So restating my argument->
Person with 5 minutes/week for 6 months > Person with 24 hours/day for 5 months
Person A 2 HOURS
Person B 3600 HOURS
Yet person A has a character that is more capable than Person B, and Person A can just buy all the ISK he wants on ebay, or get some from people he knows in game, whatever.
A person who plays 1800 TIMES LONGER has a worse character than the person who never plays, only in a lousy game like EVE
TL;DR
I think we've pretty much beaten this dead horse into a meat waffle.
Be free, New Eden releases you.
deviliscious: (PS. I have been told that when I use scientific language, it does not make me sound more intelligent, it only makes me sound like a jackass. It makes me appear that I am not knowledgable enough in the subject I am discussing to be able to translate it for people outside the field to understand. Some advice you might consider as well)
If this is the case he should probably win some kind of award : )
The "Forum Primary Award for Massive Eve Fanboy Aggro"
Yeah, I said it. I'm an Eve Fanboy and I don't give a damn who knows it...
It might take me a week of playing EVE before I figure out how to play it good, you don't need 6 months of playtime to figure out something.
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Yes, this is a terrible idea. But, it is the only idea in all of Eve that I think is a bad one. Everything is flawless. However, that alone is enough to keep me from playing it. I just disagree with the idea of using real time to determine in-game power. I just hope WoD does not work this way. I do not think it will, because your avatar will not be hooked up to a computer that is uploading information to your brain.
"Gamers will no longer buy the argument that every MMO requires a subscription fee to offset server and bandwidth costs. It's not true you know it, and they know it." Jeff Strain, co-founder of ArenaNet, 2007
WTF? No subscription fee?
Is anyone even responding to this Ginko Biloba fool anymore? Obviously he'll never understand the basics within MMORPG industry (sandbox vs theme park) and what he is crying about is actually a defining feature in many sandboxes. So anyways, how is everyone else enjoying EVE? Great sandbox and would like to see similar implementations in other settings. Could use more twitchy for perhaps fantasy but would like to see strategy retained. Wait is this thread still capable of intelligent discussion between 2 sides still? Wasn't sure, could of sworn we won this one.... =x
Dear Ginkeq,
I read with interest this thread generated by your OP, thank you for making this thread.
May I humbly offer an alternative to waiting for a toon to skill up, namely, you can buy one! CCP has a sanctioned method for buying toons from other people so your wait is over. CCP also have a method for you to gain isk using real life money, so grinding for that pesky dreadnaught will not trouble you if you are rich enough, in real life.
I hope these two small facts will make your EVE experience richer and more fulfilling.
cheers!
Heh, I've been playing on and off for 5 years and I still don't consider myself "good". The fact you think otherwise shows that you've never taken the game seriously, and that you have a incredibly small understanding of the overall game in general.
Why things work the way they work has been explained to you. That you continuously latch on to this delusion that you can never "catch up" in skill-points and that somehow makes other players better than you at every aspect of the game is pretty exasperating. It's as clear as day, and your either too obstinate or just plain stupid to see it.
I'm done with this thread. It would be easier to explain advanced physics to a retarded monkey. Maybe that's people say Eve has an intelligence threshold.
I really have to say, that after some thought...
This is my favorite eve thread ever.
I love the title, it's got a ton of funny stuff in it. Lots of fear and loathing, lots of unapologetic worship.
Pretty much the quintessential Eve thread, with an ideal amount of "kiss my ass" thrown in.
Thank you Gink. Seriously, thank you.
deviliscious: (PS. I have been told that when I use scientific language, it does not make me sound more intelligent, it only makes me sound like a jackass. It makes me appear that I am not knowledgable enough in the subject I am discussing to be able to translate it for people outside the field to understand. Some advice you might consider as well)
bleh. I'll need a better connection before i try this game again. maybe in another month or two.
Drop us a line when you're ready to give it another shot. Fly safe amigo 07
deviliscious: (PS. I have been told that when I use scientific language, it does not make me sound more intelligent, it only makes me sound like a jackass. It makes me appear that I am not knowledgable enough in the subject I am discussing to be able to translate it for people outside the field to understand. Some advice you might consider as well)
If this is the case he should probably win some kind of award : )
The "Forum Primary Award for Massive Eve Fanboy Aggro"
Yeah, I said it. I'm an Eve Fanboy and I don't give a damn who knows it...
You guys wish this was some sort of troll..
The problem with EVE specifically is their skill system. Without it their game wouldn't be complete shit.
It's funny how every response to my complaints about the skill system are:
Oh it only adds versatility, makes your character more general, etc. It's not useful at all to have 5-10 years worth of skill investments. The fact is, that you will never catch up to other players in EVE, because CCP are morons who made an MMORPG that has nothing to do with investing effort into your character.
It's also funny how the EVE people respond with "The player who doesn't play much won't have much ISK or Experience". These are extremely weak arguments. It might take me a week of playing EVE before I figure out how to play it good, you don't need 6 months of playtime to figure out something.
And who wants to collect ISK all day on meaningless missions that are not challenging at all? EVE's whole system would be like if you made people in WoW repeat those low level quests for several months straight. Go kill 5 wild boars.. Go kill 5 orcs, etc. Imagine that being all there is to do in a game, just to collect ISK on meaningless missions that have NO CHALLENGE.
Or you can always make ISK while being AFK through mining..
So the person who plays 5 minutes a week won't have as much ISK, but they will be able to fly better ships once they are playing again, and will have a better character than someone who invested a lot of time at once.
In any case, they could just buy the ISK with real money, which is fine in EVE because it's a game for lazy players so clearly buying ISK online is fine and so is having a skill system that works while offline.
Their game is just slanted to people who don't want to invest any time into MMORPGs. And the sad thing is you can't catch up to these players. They might be total newbs and your character will never be as good. You might fly better, but the idiotic skill system gave them more points for maintaining a subscription longer.
So restating my argument->
Person with 5 minutes/week for 6 months > Person with 24 hours/day for 5 months
Person A 2 HOURS
Person B 3600 HOURS
Yet person A has a character that is more capable than Person B, and Person A can just buy all the ISK he wants on ebay, or get some from people he knows in game, whatever.
A person who plays 1800 TIMES LONGER has a worse character than the person who never plays, only in a lousy game like EVE
You're priceless, man, Never stop posting. "Learn EvE in a week"? Hahaha!
Give me liberty or give me lasers
HAHA ADVANCED?? most of EVE is 2D.Screen savers can and do have a lot of animation,EVE has almost NONE,so no sorry CCP has a lot of catching up to do to match the tech of modern screen savers.
DUST will actually surpass it finally and allow CCP to be a part of the modern gaming world,somewhere along the lines CCP went from Dinosaur to riding around in an Acura.No they won't reach sports car status ,but hey it's a big jump moving from a Flinstone car to an Acura.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
HAHA ADVANCED?? most of EVE is 2D.Screen savers can and do have a lot of animation,EVE has almost NONE,so no sorry CCP has a lot of catching up to do to match the tech of modern screen savers.
DUST will actually surpass it finally and allow CCP to be a part of the modern gaming world,somewhere along the lines CCP went from Dinosaur to riding around in an Acura.No they won't reach sports car status ,but hey it's a big jump moving from a Flinstone car to an Acura.
Shouldnt you actually play the game before criticising it? Since you dont even know whether you have to buy the expansions or not, it's obvious you haven't. Only someone completely ignorant of the game could claim that it's "mostly 2D".
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/3197925
Give me liberty or give me lasers
HAHA ADVANCED?? most of EVE is 2D.Screen savers can and do have a lot of animation,EVE has almost NONE,so no sorry CCP has a lot of catching up to do to match the tech of modern screen savers.
DUST will actually surpass it finally and allow CCP to be a part of the modern gaming world,somewhere along the lines CCP went from Dinosaur to riding around in an Acura.No they won't reach sports car status ,but hey it's a big jump moving from a Flinstone car to an Acura.
Dust 514 is a console mmo fps based in the EvE universe that is supposed to compliment EvE online, yet both games are played separately. This is how CCP describes it:
"Dust 514 is the infantry, and an Eve Online player can contract a Dust team to go in and take control of a planet. The fleet does the flying, the infantry does the dying."
I think they are looking for players from their current 300K more than anything else. I would have thought it would be a bit of a burden, though, for serious EvE players to have to play part of their game through a console as well. Not certain how this will actually work out.
I must say after reading 25pages and laughing abit this post shows some real troll skills, and i must say to the author, a real immature and not so well written post.
Dont like it dont play it simple as that. either that or bitch about a game you dont play on some crappy forum oh wait you allready did that
HAHA ADVANCED?? most of EVE is 2D.Screen savers can and do have a lot of animation,EVE has almost NONE,so no sorry CCP has a lot of catching up to do to match the tech of modern screen savers.
DUST will actually surpass it finally and allow CCP to be a part of the modern gaming world,somewhere along the lines CCP went from Dinosaur to riding around in an Acura.No they won't reach sports car status ,but hey it's a big jump moving from a Flinstone car to an Acura.
Dust 514 is a console mmo fps based in the EvE universe that is supposed to compliment EvE online, yet both games are played separately. This is how CCP describes it:
"Dust 514 is the infantry, and an Eve Online player can contract a Dust team to go in and take control of a planet. The fleet does the flying, the infantry does the dying."
I think they are looking for players from their current 300K more than anything else. I would have thought it would be a bit of a burden, though, for serious EvE players to have to play part of their game through a console as well. Not certain how this will actually work out.
CCP specifically stated that Dust is not primarily aimed at existing EvE players. They're looking to expand their "EvE-verse" IP to the console market.
Give me liberty or give me lasers