Homosexuality, multiple-partner sex, bestiality, and adultery are all forms of sexual deviance that are morally wrong in almost every culture. Protesting against blatant sexual deviance is not homophobia. However protesting against sexual deviance in a game where the object is to run around killing people is a bit absurd.
First of all to claim deviance you have to accept that there is a norm that is being deviated from. And you just can't do that. People all over the world throughout all times have done different things to get off. The idea that a sexual behavior is deviant is false.
Those things are not morally wrong in every culture. I understand that since you think those things are deviant, you also think that 'right-thinking' people all over the world agree with you, but its just not the case.
Now lets assume for the sake of argument that there is a sexual norm, and the things you listed do indeed deviate from that norm. That still doesn't mean those things are wrong, or morally wrong. Different doesn't mean wrong. Also you can't show any harm, so protesting against gay people IS homophobia.
The permissiveness of the US secular culture does not extend to the rest of the world. These acts ARE morally wrong in almost every culture. In some cultures, it even goes so far as to be punished by the death penalty for those who get caught in such situations. If you disagree, go to Saudi Arabia and practice homosexuality publicly.
Despite your wishing otherwise, morally wrong is morally wrong. Those with moral standards have the right to protest against that which they find immoral. Protesting against public display of sexual deviance is not homophobia, it's an attempt to bring moral values to their community and dissuade those practicing deviant behavior from committing immoral acts. The harm is to both those witnessing the acts and those committing them. If you were to stop someone who was about to cut off their hand, would you be handectomyphobic? No, you'd be expressing concern for that person's well-being.
That's not even remotely true.
Romans, Greeks and all sorts of other cultures throughout history were completely OK with homosexuality. Historically speaking, in Western culture at least, this moral outcry is a relatively (IE: in the hundreds of years) new development.
Sure, there are cultures where you cannot openly be gay, but there are also cultures where you cannot eat certain animals on certain days of the week. Every culture has its quirks.
But to paint that with such a complete brush is absolutely absurd from a historical point of view.
The fact is, modern science should tell people thinking homosexuality is a choice or immoral is ridiculous. Biologically speaking, 10% of ducks are gay. Get over it.
Your entire pro-deviance argument is that humans are incapable of thinking beyond their sexual organs, so we should just have sex with anything that moves, regardless of morality, social consequences, marital consequences, or medical consequences. That's absurd. If that's really how you feel, all I can say is maybe you should grow up and stop thinking with what's in your pants. "If it feels good, do it" will hurt you and anyone close to you. Look how well this attitude is going over for Tiger Woods and his family. Use Tiger's experience as an example that this lifestyle is wrong and change your attitude while you can.
Historically, you are wrong. Roman and Greek culture didn't start out so open. In fact, historians have argued that the excessive lack of morality towards the end of those ancient cultures were what tipped the balance and caused those cultures to fail.
No, actually Dana is right. Their cultures were indeed very open about it. I've spent the last year and a half to two years (as a European History major) talking about the history and culture of that part of the world, as well as others. Never once did homosexual relations come up as a reason for their downfall. It was, oh, I don't know, the invading armies from other cultures, some of which practiced homosexuality as well, that overran them, in short.
Man, it's so wild to experience hate disguised in so many ways.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
More right wing fanatics trying to impose their morals on everyone else. What's new?
I couldn't care less what a mature rated game contains. Its the parent's responsibility to know what the kiddies are whatching.
This attitude on the part of World News Daily reflects how little veting is done. They get a juicy topic and run with it. Check it out first??? Naaa, this puppy is hot!
Assumptions are made based on pre-concieved notions about what is going on....much like the above quote!!!!!
World News isn't a 'radical right wing publication. It is a liberal...and I use the term loosely :P.
Quote fron World News Daily info on a search:
A daily round-up of the latest international news from msnbc.com and its partners, including NBC News, Newsweek and the Washington Post. With features and analysis by NBC reporters ...
These are hardly right wing pubs. It would seem Khalathwyr has the same problem with judging something based on his/her own blind bias
This is just another "news story" to keep people from thinking about all the good things that socialism has brought to the world.
Yeah, cause you're an authority on the socialism.
"Duck and cover"
Sorry pops, the 1950s are gone. Socialism, just like the beloved Free Market Capitalism we have, are all viable and all dependent on the power mongers running them. You have a corrupt elite running them, and they all are doomed to fail, which I think history has proven now.
To blame the system shows you know nothing about the system. It's the people implementing them that caused them to fail.
yeah im stuck in the past i guess, i see how well socialism has worked and cant wait for Obama's corruption to make it fail here.
Yet you're in complete denial of free market capitalism, with a joke for regulation, has failed equally. Nope, don't want to talk about that. Ignore the man behind the screen, lol!
At least you're honest about it. More than I can say for some of the other yokels in here.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
Um, in fairness, I don't think you'll find a single liberal person affiliated with that site. A spade is a spade and if there is one set of people who harbor the most hate for any kind of change (social, economic, whatever) it's the right wing folks. You don't see liberals or moderates setting up sites bashing people for their lifestyles. No, they only bash conservatives (those that want to, not all of them do). Why? Because Conservatives started in with the hate long ago.
"Let he who is without Sin cast the first stone"...
Man, conservatives started picking up rocks the moment this was first said looking to hit someone.
I have a hard time with the above statement. I figure I am pretty much a conservative, but lean toward pro-choice and have no problems with homosexuals at all. However, I am pretty sure that we don't have enough data to prove Global Warming, and I think Obama's healthcare plan is a really bad idea.
What am I?
The point is, "Conservatives" don't have a monopoly on hate - the liberals throw around more than their fair share also. Example? Bush is a 'moron', Quayle is an idiot, Palin...well, she's been called all sorts of things. The treatment of the so-called conservative leaders has been at least as hateful as anything that has come out of Glenn Beck's mouth.
As for change....the Fair Tax movement is deemed conservative at the moment - and it would be a very MAJOR change (and one I support).
Well...I've had my say. Off to download the nudity patch :-)
Sure, but in the context of this discussion they certainly "threw the first punches". As for the change comment, it is my fault for not clarifying. Change that helps the rich get richer, makes middle class take a sharp punch in the nose and the poor stay poorer is good and dandy for conservatives. Ironically, the vast majority of them fall into the middle class yet they continuously vote for measures that hurt them. That's a research paper right there.
As for Big O's healthcare plan, yeah, it's not perfect, but it's akin to what they have in Great Britain and Canada and they certainly are in better shape than we are. If data really were the point of Conservatives, they shut up on this one and vote yes.
But it's not. The facts don't mean a thing to either side, really. It's about holding the party line, not making a better country.
Oh, and that's the thing that gets me. Your last comment, though I'm not aiming at you in specific. I'm aiming at the folks who run that site. I can guarantee you if an FBI computer forensics team did a sweep of their work and home computers you'd find some of the dirtiest pornographic material ever. Hypocrits.
In fact, that's something I'd like to see. Random inspections of home and office of the morality patrol entities of the world. You want to preach it and clog up my air space, then you better be a Paragon of virtue. You linger for more than a second in the bra section of a JC Penny magazine and I want to know about it cause that's SIN.
Ask the people suffering who wait for months for major procedures how wonderful the social health care is? The US does in fact have the best health care available which is why the EXTREMELY wealthy from those system come here when afflicted with something greater than a cold. Now let's talk about how the 85% of people in this county who do have health care would be faced with an ever growing number of restrictions when the rationing begins. Oh and who pays for it all? Oh I forgot the rich do because they are mean and selfish for making all that money, and putting people to work, and creating industry that in turns creates jobs. How vile are they to show initiative and utilize a system that allows them to prosper? It's much better than we blame someone else for life's situation. It's the schools fault, or my upbringing or hundreds of other excuses.
I am proud to be part of a system that allows a person from any background, race etc to succeed based on hard work and initiative! Those principles not handouts produce a strong prosperous society. I'm going to offend some of you with one of those nasty Biblical statements. "Give a man a fish and you feed him once, teach him how to fish and you feed him forever." What does that mean. It means you empower people by helping them help themselves. Everyone in life needs a helping hand and all of us should be willing to lend it. It does not mean that some should be totally supported by others indefinitely.
OMG I can't believe I'm making a post like this on this site! Oh and DA is a fine game.
More right wing fanatics trying to impose their morals on everyone else. What's new?
I couldn't care less what a mature rated game contains. Its the parent's responsibility to know what the kiddies are whatching.
This attitude on the part of World News Daily reflects how little veting is done. They get a juicy topic and run with it. Check it out first??? Naaa, this puppy is hot!
Assumptions are made based on pre-concieved notions about what is going on....much like the above quote!!!!!
World News isn't a 'radical right wing publication. It is a liberal...and I use the term loosely :P.
Quote fron World News Daily info on a search:
A daily round-up of the latest international news from msnbc.com and its partners, including NBC News, Newsweek and the Washington Post. With features and analysis by NBC reporters ...
These are hardly right wing pubs. It would seem Khalathwyr has the same problem with judging something based on his/her own blind bias
This is just another "news story" to keep people from thinking about all the good things that socialism has brought to the world.
Yeah, cause you're an authority on the socialism.
"Duck and cover"
Sorry pops, the 1950s are gone. Socialism, just like the beloved Free Market Capitalism we have, are all viable and all dependent on the power mongers running them. You have a corrupt elite running them, and they all are doomed to fail, which I think history has proven now.
To blame the system shows you know nothing about the system. It's the people implementing them that caused them to fail.
yeah im stuck in the past i guess, i see how well socialism has worked and cant wait for Obama's corruption to make it fail here.
Yet you're in complete denial of free market capitalism, with a joke for regulation, has failed equally. Nope, don't want to talk about that. Ignore the man behind the screen, lol!
At least you're honest about it. More than I can say for some of the other yokels in here.
I dont know how the U.S. became the richest country in the world without embracing socialism. Maybe you can explain to me how it is that western europe is doing so well and yet demanding money for the U.N. and the farce known as global warming?
Sure there is a small "sex" aspect to the game. My first playthrough was 70 odd hours, of that there was maby 15-20 mins total devoted to the "sex" aspect. Second playthrough was a little under 50 hours and again maby 15-20 mins total on the "sex" aspect. Shocker.
Dunno why people are so worked up about it. Hell you can even just tap "Esc" to skip the cut-sceen anyway (not that its much of a cut sceen .. couple of avatars in underware whoop-dee-do)
Its such a tiny small aspect of the game it really does not even bare mentioning except as a side diversion from the main game. The dialog options require you to be beloved by your NPC companion which reqiures (Usually) compleating thier side-quests and gift giving along with the correct dialog choices. Its not something that the avrage hack'n'slash player will even come across. You can play the whole game and never even bother to talk to your NPC companions. Makes no real difference except they gain a slight buff (4 stages) for liking you more if your converstations go well or they take the hump and leave your party if they dont.
Its all 100% optional content. None of it is required to play the game.
Hell I am suprised this "news site" was'ent as offended by some of the random conversations that your NPCs have as you wander around. These are based on which NPCs you have in your party currently and how far along in dialog you have gotten with them OR where you are in the world OR what quests your doing etc. After three play throughs I've still yet to hear them all and some are quite amusing and racey. Zev talking to Wynn about her "Magical Breasts" or Org talking to Alistier about "Polishing his weapon" then theres Org telling Wynn he'd like to "Take her around the back .. if he was'ent locked up in his armor" .. these conversations happen just as your wandering around .. so no this is deff NOT a kids game. Its all implied but very amusing stuff ... whenever my party members started chatting to each other I'd always stop dead to see what they have to say.
Over all the game is extreemly well done and offers many many hours of playtime. Doing all the quests and side quests for the first time will take over 50 hours (70 for me because I am a compleationist and played on Hard - Very Difficult from the get go) and it was money well spent for me. Usually I dont bother with single player games .. currently theres no MMO I am interested in playing (Or replaying as the case may be) and this game is a great diversion.
You can grab DO:A for about $30 online now .. buy it and judge for yourself. If you liked BG or NWN you'll prob enjoy this one too.
Ask the people suffering who wait for months for major procedures how wonderful the social health care is? The US does in fact have the best health care available which is why the EXTREMELY wealthy from those system come here when afflicted with something greater than a cold. Now let's talk about how the 85% of people in this county who do have health care would be faced with an ever growing number of restrictions when the rationing begins. Oh and who pays for it all? Oh I forgot the rich do because they are mean and selfish for making all that money, and putting people to work, and creating industry that in turns creates jobs. How vile are they to show initiative and utilize a system that allows them to prosper? It's much better than we blame someone else for life's situation. It's the schools fault, or my upbringing or hundreds of other excuses. I am proud to be part of a system that allows a person from any background, race etc to succeed based on hard work and initiative! Those principles not handouts produce a strong prosperous society. I'm going to offend some of you with one of those nasty Biblical statements. "Give a man a fish and you feed him once, teach him how to fish and you feed him forever." What does that mean. It means you empower people by helping them help themselves. Everyone in life needs a helping hand and all of us should be willing to lend it. It does not mean that some should be totally supported by others indefinitely. OMG I can't believe I'm making a post like this on this site! Oh and DA is a fine game.
More right wing fanatics trying to impose their morals on everyone else. What's new?
I couldn't care less what a mature rated game contains. Its the parent's responsibility to know what the kiddies are whatching.
This attitude on the part of World News Daily reflects how little veting is done. They get a juicy topic and run with it. Check it out first??? Naaa, this puppy is hot!
Assumptions are made based on pre-concieved notions about what is going on....much like the above quote!!!!!
World News isn't a 'radical right wing publication. It is a liberal...and I use the term loosely :P.
Quote fron World News Daily info on a search:
A daily round-up of the latest international news from msnbc.com and its partners, including NBC News, Newsweek and the Washington Post. With features and analysis by NBC reporters ...
These are hardly right wing pubs. It would seem Khalathwyr has the same problem with judging something based on his/her own blind bias
This is just another "news story" to keep people from thinking about all the good things that socialism has brought to the world.
Yeah, cause you're an authority on the socialism.
"Duck and cover"
Sorry pops, the 1950s are gone. Socialism, just like the beloved Free Market Capitalism we have, are all viable and all dependent on the power mongers running them. You have a corrupt elite running them, and they all are doomed to fail, which I think history has proven now.
To blame the system shows you know nothing about the system. It's the people implementing them that caused them to fail.
yeah im stuck in the past i guess, i see how well socialism has worked and cant wait for Obama's corruption to make it fail here.
Yet you're in complete denial of free market capitalism, with a joke for regulation, has failed equally. Nope, don't want to talk about that. Ignore the man behind the screen, lol!
At least you're honest about it. More than I can say for some of the other yokels in here.
I dont know how the U.S. became the richest country in the world without embracing socialism. Maybe you can explain to me how it is that western europe is doing so well and yet demanding money for the U.N. and the farce known as global warming?
Seems like the difference between socialism and capitalism seems marginal at best. Seems mostly different on paper, but when you take a look at america at closer view, it's actually quite a bit socialisitic in many aspects. Sorry just had to add my 2cents into both of you're interesting debate.
I'm actually not afraid of more socialism in our country, I mean if America needs it, then we should adapt... One thing you can say about Americans that seems historically true, is that we are good at changing, adapting and evolving as a country... generally speaking ofc.
More right wing fanatics trying to impose their morals on everyone else. What's new?
I couldn't care less what a mature rated game contains. Its the parent's responsibility to know what the kiddies are whatching.
This attitude on the part of World News Daily reflects how little veting is done. They get a juicy topic and run with it. Check it out first??? Naaa, this puppy is hot!
Assumptions are made based on pre-concieved notions about what is going on....much like the above quote!!!!!
World News isn't a 'radical right wing publication. It is a liberal...and I use the term loosely :P.
Quote fron World News Daily info on a search:
A daily round-up of the latest international news from msnbc.com and its partners, including NBC News, Newsweek and the Washington Post. With features and analysis by NBC reporters ...
These are hardly right wing pubs. It would seem Khalathwyr has the same problem with judging something based on his/her own blind bias
This is just another "news story" to keep people from thinking about all the good things that socialism has brought to the world.
Yeah, cause you're an authority on the socialism.
"Duck and cover"
Sorry pops, the 1950s are gone. Socialism, just like the beloved Free Market Capitalism we have, are all viable and all dependent on the power mongers running them. You have a corrupt elite running them, and they all are doomed to fail, which I think history has proven now.
To blame the system shows you know nothing about the system. It's the people implementing them that caused them to fail.
yeah im stuck in the past i guess, i see how well socialism has worked and cant wait for Obama's corruption to make it fail here.
Yet you're in complete denial of free market capitalism, with a joke for regulation, has failed equally. Nope, don't want to talk about that. Ignore the man behind the screen, lol!
At least you're honest about it. More than I can say for some of the other yokels in here.
I dont know how the U.S. became the richest country in the world without embracing socialism. Maybe you can explain to me how it is that western europe is doing so well and yet demanding money for the U.N. and the farce known as global warming?
Seems like the difference between socialism and capitalism seems marginal at best. Seems mostly different on paper, but when you take a look at america at closer view, it's actually quite a bit socialisitic in many aspects. Sorry just had to add my 2cents into both of you're interesting debate.
I'm actually not afraid of more socialism in our country, I mean if America needs it, then we should adapt... One thing you can say about Americans that seems historically true, is that we are good at changing, adapting and evolving as a country... generally speaking ofc.
I agree it takes a balance of the two. My problem with the current administration is too much power. I do not like either party to have as much power as the liberals have at this time. The presidency and both houses is too much power to wield,be it a left or right wing administration.
Yet you're in complete denial of free market capitalism, with a joke for regulation, has failed equally. Nope, don't want to talk about that. Ignore the man behind the screen, lol! At least you're honest about it. More than I can say for some of the other yokels in here.
I dont know how the U.S. became the richest country in the world without embracing socialism. Maybe you can explain to me how it is that western europe is doing so well and yet demanding money for the U.N. and the farce known as global warming?
I'd love to, but this, turning into a good conversation, is really off topic for the thread (not that we haven't just butchered that to already) and is something that I would do much better at in face to face conversation. There's a reason China is still kicking and that many of the countries in SE Asia still support the socialist model.
As for the global warming thing there is no data I could ever show you, no matter how true and accurate it was, that would convince you it was happening. That and I'm no scientist. I am a hunter, though and I can tell you the last couple of winters here in Texas have been...odd. We have a huge flock of Canadian Geese that used to migrate through here like clockwork. They'd arrive in late October, early November. Well, last year they came through in Mid November and this year they arrived 3 days ago.
Be that as it may, I don't expect people who didn't grow up in the country or who don't hunt/fish to put much stock in it.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
More right wing fanatics trying to impose their morals on everyone else. What's new?
I couldn't care less what a mature rated game contains. Its the parent's responsibility to know what the kiddies are whatching.
This attitude on the part of World News Daily reflects how little veting is done. They get a juicy topic and run with it. Check it out first??? Naaa, this puppy is hot!
Assumptions are made based on pre-concieved notions about what is going on....much like the above quote!!!!!
World News isn't a 'radical right wing publication. It is a liberal...and I use the term loosely :P.
Quote fron World News Daily info on a search:
A daily round-up of the latest international news from msnbc.com and its partners, including NBC News, Newsweek and the Washington Post. With features and analysis by NBC reporters ...
These are hardly right wing pubs. It would seem Khalathwyr has the same problem with judging something based on his/her own blind bias
This is just another "news story" to keep people from thinking about all the good things that socialism has brought to the world.
Yeah, cause you're an authority on the socialism.
"Duck and cover"
Sorry pops, the 1950s are gone. Socialism, just like the beloved Free Market Capitalism we have, are all viable and all dependent on the power mongers running them. You have a corrupt elite running them, and they all are doomed to fail, which I think history has proven now.
To blame the system shows you know nothing about the system. It's the people implementing them that caused them to fail.
yeah im stuck in the past i guess, i see how well socialism has worked and cant wait for Obama's corruption to make it fail here.
Yet you're in complete denial of free market capitalism, with a joke for regulation, has failed equally. Nope, don't want to talk about that. Ignore the man behind the screen, lol!
At least you're honest about it. More than I can say for some of the other yokels in here.
I dont know how the U.S. became the richest country in the world without embracing socialism. Maybe you can explain to me how it is that western europe is doing so well and yet demanding money for the U.N. and the farce known as global warming?
Seems like the difference between socialism and capitalism seems marginal at best. Seems mostly different on paper, but when you take a look at america at closer view, it's actually quite a bit socialisitic in many aspects. Sorry just had to add my 2cents into both of you're interesting debate.
I'm actually not afraid of more socialism in our country, I mean if America needs it, then we should adapt... One thing you can say about Americans that seems historically true, is that we are good at changing, adapting and evolving as a country... generally speaking ofc.
I agree it takes a balance of the two. My problem with the current administration is too much power. I do not like either party to have as much power as the liberals have at this time. The presidency and both houses is too much power to wield,be it a left or right wing administration.
Honestly, I don't even know why I'm a Democrat anymore. I mean I look at this whole "Bipartisan politics" more like a maffia taking turns running our country, and making some scratch for friends and fellow party memebers. Maybe if America should have 4 or 5 parties and share the power, stuff actually might get done. It just seems to me that after years of Democrats vs. Republicans seems very shallow to me these days... It seems like they are just pretending to create divisive issues to keep ppl distracted so that they can share power back and forth,... election after election... and yet appear as they both parties are "fighting the good fight" so to speak... Maybe I've grown cynical in my old age, but I think it's a scam both parties perpetuate a monopoly of power by sharing the office and senate. It all just seems disegenuous. And I would probably join an Idenpendant party but, most are just a mix of conservative democrats and liberal republicans... seems like there's no true 3rd Party to choose from. Sorry I know I got a bit off topic with my diatribe.
Yet you're in complete denial of free market capitalism, with a joke for regulation, has failed equally. Nope, don't want to talk about that. Ignore the man behind the screen, lol! At least you're honest about it. More than I can say for some of the other yokels in here.
I dont know how the U.S. became the richest country in the world without embracing socialism. Maybe you can explain to me how it is that western europe is doing so well and yet demanding money for the U.N. and the farce known as global warming?
I'd love to, but this, turning into a good conversation, is really off topic for the thread (not that we haven't just butchered that to already) and is something that I would do much better at in face to face conversation. There's a reason China is still kicking and that many of the countries in SE Asia still support the socialist model.
As for the global warming thing there is no data I could ever show you, no matter how true and accurate it was, that would convince you it was happening. That and I'm no scientist. I am a hunter, though and I can tell you the last couple of winters here in Texas have been...odd. We have a huge flock of Canadian Geese that used to migrate through here like clockwork. They'd arrive in late October, early November. Well, last year they came through in Mid November and this year they arrived 3 days ago.
Be that as it may, I don't expect people who didn't grow up in the country or who don't hunt/fish to put much stock in it.
I dont doubt that the climate does change. I read an article about how the average temperature of Mars has risen as well. What i dispute is that it isnt a natural thing. That and the fact that Al Gore has made a pile of money since he started his crusade. The best explanation I have heard is that every so many thousands of years the planets in the solar system align in way that creates a pull which shifts the earth, and I would assume the other planets as well, on its axis and creates a change in climate. Like you i am not a scientist either but Al Gore and the believers being able to combat an act of nature is ludicrous to me and only points to greed or arrogance and in Al's case i would say both.
Honestly, I don't even know why I'm a Democrat anymore. I mean I look at this whole "Bipartisan politics" more like a maffia taking turns running our country, and making some scratch for friends and fellow party memebers. Maybe if America should have 4 or 5 parties and share the power, stuff actually might get done. It just seems to me that after years of Democrats vs. Republicans seems very shallow to me these days... It seems like they are just pretending to create divisive issues to keep ppl distracted so that they can share power back and forth,... election after election... and yet appear as they both parties are "fighting the good fight" so to speak... Maybe I've grown cynical in my old age, but I think it's a scam both parties perpetuate a monopoly of power by sharing the office and senate. It all just seems disegenuous. And I would probably join an Idenpendant party but, most are just a mix of conservative democrats and liberal republicans... seems like there's no true 3rd Party to choose from. Sorry I know I got a bit off topic with my diatribe.
Hey, it may not mean much, but I agree with you 100%. I voted Democrat because the Repulicans had it for 8 years and so it was, in my view, time to give the other side a shot. Some Repubs say W wasn't a fiscal conservative. Fine, I won't argue. I do have issue with the rest of you standing by him when he wasn't so fiscally conservative, though, lol.
So yeah, I'd love nothing more than to see a 3rd and 4th party rise to prominence here. I'd also like to see the Senate term limit dropped from 6 years to 4 or 3.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
Honestly, I don't even know why I'm a Democrat anymore. I mean I look at this whole "Bipartisan politics" more like a maffia taking turns running our country, and making some scratch for friends and fellow party memebers. Maybe if America should have 4 or 5 parties and share the power, stuff actually might get done. It just seems to me that after years of Democrats vs. Republicans seems very shallow to me these days... It seems like they are just pretending to create divisive issues to keep ppl distracted so that they can share power back and forth,... election after election... and yet appear as they both parties are "fighting the good fight" so to speak... Maybe I've grown cynical in my old age, but I think it's a scam both parties perpetuate a monopoly of power by sharing the office and senate. It all just seems disegenuous. And I would probably join an Idenpendant party but, most are just a mix of conservative democrats and liberal republicans... seems like there's no true 3rd Party to choose from. Sorry I know I got a bit off topic with my diatribe.
Hey, it may not mean much, but I agree with you 100%. I voted Democrat because the Repulicans had it for 8 years and so it was, in my view, time to give the other side a shot. Some Repubs say W wasn't a fiscal conservative. Fine, I won't argue. I do have issue with the rest of you standing by him when he wasn't so fiscally conservative, though, lol.
So yeah, I'd love nothing more than to see a 3rd and 4th party rise to prominence here. I'd also like to see the Senate term limit dropped from 6 years to 4 or 3.
I have to say that what you say scares me.
You voted for the other side to basically give them a shot? Plain and simple, thats dumb thinking or being brainwashed.
I vote for whoever I feel will best support myself and my family over the long haul. Also who has the values I have. I dont vote party line for the sake of seeing what they can do...
Bush was not a fiscal conservative, but I stand by him as he made many of the right choices. But he did bleed money out. The current administration is making a joke of Bush's spending though.
Also, to be on topic, The game does promote homesexual activity if it provides a reward to cheat and engage in such activity (acheivments).
Honestly, I don't even know why I'm a Democrat anymore. I mean I look at this whole "Bipartisan politics" more like a maffia taking turns running our country, and making some scratch for friends and fellow party memebers. Maybe if America should have 4 or 5 parties and share the power, stuff actually might get done. It just seems to me that after years of Democrats vs. Republicans seems very shallow to me these days... It seems like they are just pretending to create divisive issues to keep ppl distracted so that they can share power back and forth,... election after election... and yet appear as they both parties are "fighting the good fight" so to speak... Maybe I've grown cynical in my old age, but I think it's a scam both parties perpetuate a monopoly of power by sharing the office and senate. It all just seems disegenuous. And I would probably join an Idenpendant party but, most are just a mix of conservative democrats and liberal republicans... seems like there's no true 3rd Party to choose from. Sorry I know I got a bit off topic with my diatribe.
Hey, it may not mean much, but I agree with you 100%. I voted Democrat because the Repulicans had it for 8 years and so it was, in my view, time to give the other side a shot. Some Repubs say W wasn't a fiscal conservative. Fine, I won't argue. I do have issue with the rest of you standing by him when he wasn't so fiscally conservative, though, lol.
So yeah, I'd love nothing more than to see a 3rd and 4th party rise to prominence here. I'd also like to see the Senate term limit dropped from 6 years to 4 or 3.
I have to say that what you say scares me.
You voted for the other side to basically give them a shot? Plain and simple, thats dumb thinking or being brainwashed.
I vote for whoever I feel will best support myself and my family over the long haul. Also who has the values I have. I dont vote party line for the sake of seeing what they can do...
Bush was not a fiscal conservative, but I stand by him as he made many of the right choices. But he did bleed money out. The current administration is making a joke of Bush's spending though.
Also, to be on topic, The game does promote homesexual activity if it provides a reward to cheat and engage in such activity (acheivments).
Honestly, I don't even know why I'm a Democrat anymore. I mean I look at this whole "Bipartisan politics" more like a maffia taking turns running our country, and making some scratch for friends and fellow party memebers. Maybe if America should have 4 or 5 parties and share the power, stuff actually might get done. It just seems to me that after years of Democrats vs. Republicans seems very shallow to me these days... It seems like they are just pretending to create divisive issues to keep ppl distracted so that they can share power back and forth,... election after election... and yet appear as they both parties are "fighting the good fight" so to speak... Maybe I've grown cynical in my old age, but I think it's a scam both parties perpetuate a monopoly of power by sharing the office and senate. It all just seems disegenuous. And I would probably join an Idenpendant party but, most are just a mix of conservative democrats and liberal republicans... seems like there's no true 3rd Party to choose from. Sorry I know I got a bit off topic with my diatribe.
Hey, it may not mean much, but I agree with you 100%. I voted Democrat because the Repulicans had it for 8 years and so it was, in my view, time to give the other side a shot. Some Repubs say W wasn't a fiscal conservative. Fine, I won't argue. I do have issue with the rest of you standing by him when he wasn't so fiscally conservative, though, lol.
So yeah, I'd love nothing more than to see a 3rd and 4th party rise to prominence here. I'd also like to see the Senate term limit dropped from 6 years to 4 or 3.
I have to say that what you say scares me.
You voted for the other side to basically give them a shot? Plain and simple, thats dumb thinking or being brainwashed.
I vote for whoever I feel will best support myself and my family over the long haul. Also who has the values I have. I dont vote party line for the sake of seeing what they can do...
Bush was not a fiscal conservative, but I stand by him as he made many of the right choices. But he did bleed money out. The current administration is making a joke of Bush's spending though.
Also, to be on topic, The game does promote homesexual activity if it provides a reward to cheat and engage in such activity (acheivments).
Your entitled to your opinion, just as I am entitled to believe that anyone who believed bush did anything good for this country is just as stupid and brain-free as he.
Yes, it was careless of me to state what I did in the manner I did. There were other reasons as well. And yes, one sides ideas screwed the pooch let's see if the other can do better isn't an invalid line of thought. Especially if the next in line proves to only be more of the same of what you already had.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
Homosexuality, multiple-partner sex, bestiality, and adultery are all forms of sexual deviance that are morally wrong in almost every culture. Protesting against blatant sexual deviance is not homophobia. However protesting against sexual deviance in a game where the object is to run around killing people is a bit absurd.
First of all to claim deviance you have to accept that there is a norm that is being deviated from. And you just can't do that. People all over the world throughout all times have done different things to get off. The idea that a sexual behavior is deviant is false.
Those things are not morally wrong in every culture. I understand that since you think those things are deviant, you also think that 'right-thinking' people all over the world agree with you, but its just not the case.
Now lets assume for the sake of argument that there is a sexual norm, and the things you listed do indeed deviate from that norm. That still doesn't mean those things are wrong, or morally wrong. Different doesn't mean wrong. Also you can't show any harm, so protesting against gay people IS homophobia.
The permissiveness of the US secular culture does not extend to the rest of the world. These acts ARE morally wrong in almost every culture. In some cultures, it even goes so far as to be punished by the death penalty for those who get caught in such situations. If you disagree, go to Saudi Arabia and practice homosexuality publicly.
Despite your wishing otherwise, morally wrong is morally wrong. Those with moral standards have the right to protest against that which they find immoral. Protesting against public display of sexual deviance is not homophobia, it's an attempt to bring moral values to their community and dissuade those practicing deviant behavior from committing immoral acts. The harm is to both those witnessing the acts and those committing them. If you were to stop someone who was about to cut off their hand, would you be handectomyphobic? No, you'd be expressing concern for that person's well-being.
That's not even remotely true.
Romans, Greeks and all sorts of other cultures throughout history were completely OK with homosexuality. Historically speaking, in Western culture at least, this moral outcry is a relatively (IE: in the hundreds of years) new development.
Sure, there are cultures where you cannot openly be gay, but there are also cultures where you cannot eat certain animals on certain days of the week. Every culture has its quirks.
But to paint that with such a complete brush is absolutely absurd from a historical point of view.
The fact is, modern science should tell people thinking homosexuality is a choice or immoral is ridiculous. Biologically speaking, 10% of ducks are gay. Get over it.
Your entire pro-deviance argument is that humans are incapable of thinking beyond their sexual organs, so we should just have sex with anything that moves, regardless of morality, social consequences, marital consequences, or medical consequences. That's absurd. If that's really how you feel, all I can say is maybe you should grow up and stop thinking with what's in your pants. "If it feels good, do it" will hurt you and anyone close to you. Look how well this attitude is going over for Tiger Woods and his family. Use Tiger's experience as an example that this lifestyle is wrong and change your attitude while you can.
Historically, you are wrong. Roman and Greek culture didn't start out so open. In fact, historians have argued that the excessive lack of morality towards the end of those ancient cultures were what tipped the balance and caused those cultures to fail.
No, actually Dana is right. Their cultures were indeed very open about it. I've spent the last year and a half to two years (as a European History major) talking about the history and culture of that part of the world, as well as others. Never once did homosexual relations come up as a reason for their downfall. It was, oh, I don't know, the invading armies from other cultures, some of which practiced homosexuality as well, that overran them, in short.
Man, it's so wild to experience hate disguised in so many ways.
Exactly, coincidentally, I was also a European History major.
There are writers who claim moral decay led to the decay of both civilizations, the other guy is right in that, but he leaves out that they're mostly discredited by serious historians as people with a specific agenda to drive.
Take Rome, they actually reigned it in over the last few hundred years if anything. The really crazy stuff was in the pre-Imperial days, or the early Imperial days.
I don't think anyone is promoting adultery (heck, even Dragon Age punishes you for sleeping around) or bestiality, but you lumping homosexuality in with those is downright offensive.
Dana Massey Formerly of MMORPG.com Currently Lead Designer for Bit Trap Studios
Honestly, I don't even know why I'm a Democrat anymore. I mean I look at this whole "Bipartisan politics" more like a maffia taking turns running our country, and making some scratch for friends and fellow party memebers. Maybe if America should have 4 or 5 parties and share the power, stuff actually might get done. It just seems to me that after years of Democrats vs. Republicans seems very shallow to me these days... It seems like they are just pretending to create divisive issues to keep ppl distracted so that they can share power back and forth,... election after election... and yet appear as they both parties are "fighting the good fight" so to speak... Maybe I've grown cynical in my old age, but I think it's a scam both parties perpetuate a monopoly of power by sharing the office and senate. It all just seems disegenuous. And I would probably join an Idenpendant party but, most are just a mix of conservative democrats and liberal republicans... seems like there's no true 3rd Party to choose from. Sorry I know I got a bit off topic with my diatribe.
Hey, it may not mean much, but I agree with you 100%. I voted Democrat because the Repulicans had it for 8 years and so it was, in my view, time to give the other side a shot. Some Repubs say W wasn't a fiscal conservative. Fine, I won't argue. I do have issue with the rest of you standing by him when he wasn't so fiscally conservative, though, lol.
So yeah, I'd love nothing more than to see a 3rd and 4th party rise to prominence here. I'd also like to see the Senate term limit dropped from 6 years to 4 or 3.
I have to say that what you say scares me.
You voted for the other side to basically give them a shot? Plain and simple, thats dumb thinking or being brainwashed.
I vote for whoever I feel will best support myself and my family over the long haul. Also who has the values I have. I dont vote party line for the sake of seeing what they can do...
Bush was not a fiscal conservative, but I stand by him as he made many of the right choices. But he did bleed money out. The current administration is making a joke of Bush's spending though.
Also, to be on topic, The game does promote homesexual activity if it provides a reward to cheat and engage in such activity (acheivments).
Your entitled to your opinion, just as I am entitled to believe that anyone who believed bush did anything good for this country is just as stupid and brain-free as he.
Yes, it was careless of me to state what I did in the manner I did. There were other reasons as well. And yes, one sides ideas screwed the pooch let's see if the other can do better isn't an invalid line of thought. Especially if the next in line proves to only be more of the same of what you already had.
It's funny how life is, he didn't like, or so it seems so, that you voted for another party just because Republicans had it for 8 years, and... Life is funny yup, he didn't like that reasonning while I actually admired you for it. Shows that you're flexible in your thinking... personally I don't vote party-line, I vote depending on what the individual candidate has said, and what they stand for (or seem to stand for). Anyways to stay on track... I like DAO's evolving story arc, that it allows for choices, and not lack of choices as most rpgs produced tend to show. Variety is the spice of life afterall.
Anyone wanna point out the polygons are gay? Not real people? Even so. I still support these copulating same sex binary beings right to marry!
I like seperate but equal personally... I think the word "marraige" is more a straight, cultural identifier, and it's just seems sneaky that gays are trying to steal that cultural identifier for thier own needs.
What would solve this issue would be to make "Partnership" equal under the eyes of the law when put side-by-side with "Marraige".
When you think about it, by trying to adopt "Marraige" from a straight cultral world view, you dienfranchise your own cultural identity... it's like they are throwing away "Partnership" and hurting their own gay cultural markers and identifiers.
To stay on topic, I got my main character, female mage, to kiss the one of the female npcs during a camp.
Marriage is a legal term and it's been used throughout legally recorded history to bind contractually one male to another. In many instances in modern Western society as we know it.
Separate but equal didn't really work for races, I think that's more of an identifying factor than sexuality.
But also on topic.
This is a holier than thou tablog waiting for feeders to give them something to bitch about and fearmonger. Bioware's a leading fighter on the war against our Constitution and others forcing baseless values on others. Having the gay options availability for players to explore if they're so inclined, or avoid likewise, is the best thing they could have done for our country.
Equality for all.
I kill other players because they're smarter than AI, sometimes.
Yet you're in complete denial of free market capitalism, with a joke for regulation, has failed equally. Nope, don't want to talk about that. Ignore the man behind the screen, lol! At least you're honest about it. More than I can say for some of the other yokels in here.
I dont know how the U.S. became the richest country in the world without embracing socialism. Maybe you can explain to me how it is that western europe is doing so well and yet demanding money for the U.N. and the farce known as global warming?
I'd love to, but this, turning into a good conversation, is really off topic for the thread (not that we haven't just butchered that to already) and is something that I would do much better at in face to face conversation. There's a reason China is still kicking and that many of the countries in SE Asia still support the socialist model.
As for the global warming thing there is no data I could ever show you, no matter how true and accurate it was, that would convince you it was happening. That and I'm no scientist. I am a hunter, though and I can tell you the last couple of winters here in Texas have been...odd. We have a huge flock of Canadian Geese that used to migrate through here like clockwork. They'd arrive in late October, early November. Well, last year they came through in Mid November and this year they arrived 3 days ago.
Be that as it may, I don't expect people who didn't grow up in the country or who don't hunt/fish to put much stock in it.
Totaly off topic but....
1) Socialism & Capitalism.... depends upon what you mean by "viable". In terms of stability, Feudalism & Divine Right Monarchy would have both systems beat in spades....as they endured for many centuries over large parts of the globe and still exist is some form in many parts of the world today. They were stable....doesn't exactly mean that they were particularly pleasant systems to live under for many folks however.
The idea that systems are all equally viable and it's all about implimentation is quite flawed. Any engineer will tell you that and it holds equally true in ploitics and government as most other fields. There are 2 parts to determining how well any particular system will perform... Design & Implimentation. The best implimentation in the world won't save a flawed design.... although poor implimentation certainly can astro-turf a great design.
I certainly won't pretend that capitalism doesn't have it's share of problems.... but socialism suffers some very, very difficult to address design flaws that almost doom it as a system. The most basic is the idea that government (and hence government officials) can be entrusted to determine what is a "just and fair" equality of outcome for each and every individual. Simply put... "power corrupts" and entrusting government with the mandate to determine equality of outcomes (and thereby the power to enforce them) is kinda like handing a drunken sailor, a bottle of whiskey, a credit card, the keys to a fast car and Alysa Milano's home address.... it's an exercize almost certain to end badly.
Another problem is the implied notion that individuals needs, desired outcomes, etc are roughly the same and that a government official or "society" is in a better position to judge an individuals situation then the individual themselves. You also have issues with a lack of merit based rewards systems....and lack of consequences for risk/reward decisions.
I won't get into it too much but suffice to say, that there are real problems with the design that go beyond simple implimentation.
One of the biggest strengths of the American system of government is the concept of "limited government". That is that there are limits to the powers that government is allowed to legitimately excercize (This is a core value espoused by many flavors of modern day Conservatism, btw). The idea being that the accumlation of significant power in any single entity will inevitably corrupt that entity and be abused. By imposing firm limits on the extent of governments power over individuals, the idea is that you will reduce the degree to which governments can abuse thier powers.
Unfortunately the principle of limited government is directly at odds with a socialist system. The goals of a socialist system almost mandate vast and sweeping governmental powers in order to be achieved.
2) On global warming (hunter here too btw). For what it's worth, your anecdotal evidence would actualy weaken the claim for man-made global warming that is currently in vogue these days rather then strengthen it. Although it's called "global warming"... that does not mean that all parts of the globe are expected to evince warming trends. All the models of the current theory that I've heard about predict that Eastern North America (presumably where your birds are migrating from) should actualy be growing COLDER due to "global warming". This is supposed to be due to the weakening of the Gulf Stream current which makes our climate up here significantly milder then would otherwise be the case for this latitude. The idea that geese were migrating later in the year because the climate up North was getting warmer would run COUNTER to that claim. Personaly, I wouldn't put much stock in isolated anecdotes one way or the other. The climate is a pretty complicated thing....and individual isolated effects would be pretty hard to attribute to any one given cause unless you had a very thorough understanding of everything that factored into them. Maybe you do in that particular case....but I know I certainly don't.
williwaw87Maple Story CorrespondentMemberPosts: 43
You can actually have a four way. Also, the romance scenes are VERY PG. I have seen more graphic things happening on the street. If people are really that repulsed by gay "sex" which is really kissing, they should just alt tab. Also, Lelianna, Alistair, and Morrigan are all humans. Zevran is the only elf. I should also point out that you can receive the same extra bonuses by giving them gifts.
You can actually have a four way. Also, the romance scenes are VERY PG. I have seen more graphic things happening on the street. If people are really that repulsed by gay "sex" which is really kissing, they should just alt tab. Also, Lelianna, Alistair, and Morrigan are all humans. Zevran is the only elf. I should also point out that you can receive the same extra bonuses by giving them gifts.
Yeah I agree, they are pg at best. A kiss is just a kiss afterall. Also, I remeber playing the first God of War on PS2 and was shocked at that one mini-game part where you have to have sex with this chick in the bed. I was so suprised to see that the player had to jiggle the Analog stick and press buttons when indicated while the main character fondled and played with her breasts. The point is I considered that almost R rated material and that was on a console system. You don't see any of that in DAO, it's just kissing... not a big deal imho, at least compared to God of War... come to think if it, wasn't that on the first part of the story arc, near the beggining?
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First of all to claim deviance you have to accept that there is a norm that is being deviated from. And you just can't do that. People all over the world throughout all times have done different things to get off. The idea that a sexual behavior is deviant is false.
Those things are not morally wrong in every culture. I understand that since you think those things are deviant, you also think that 'right-thinking' people all over the world agree with you, but its just not the case.
Now lets assume for the sake of argument that there is a sexual norm, and the things you listed do indeed deviate from that norm. That still doesn't mean those things are wrong, or morally wrong. Different doesn't mean wrong. Also you can't show any harm, so protesting against gay people IS homophobia.
The permissiveness of the US secular culture does not extend to the rest of the world. These acts ARE morally wrong in almost every culture. In some cultures, it even goes so far as to be punished by the death penalty for those who get caught in such situations. If you disagree, go to Saudi Arabia and practice homosexuality publicly.
Despite your wishing otherwise, morally wrong is morally wrong. Those with moral standards have the right to protest against that which they find immoral. Protesting against public display of sexual deviance is not homophobia, it's an attempt to bring moral values to their community and dissuade those practicing deviant behavior from committing immoral acts. The harm is to both those witnessing the acts and those committing them. If you were to stop someone who was about to cut off their hand, would you be handectomyphobic? No, you'd be expressing concern for that person's well-being.
That's not even remotely true.
Romans, Greeks and all sorts of other cultures throughout history were completely OK with homosexuality. Historically speaking, in Western culture at least, this moral outcry is a relatively (IE: in the hundreds of years) new development.
Sure, there are cultures where you cannot openly be gay, but there are also cultures where you cannot eat certain animals on certain days of the week. Every culture has its quirks.
But to paint that with such a complete brush is absolutely absurd from a historical point of view.
The fact is, modern science should tell people thinking homosexuality is a choice or immoral is ridiculous. Biologically speaking, 10% of ducks are gay. Get over it.
Your entire pro-deviance argument is that humans are incapable of thinking beyond their sexual organs, so we should just have sex with anything that moves, regardless of morality, social consequences, marital consequences, or medical consequences. That's absurd. If that's really how you feel, all I can say is maybe you should grow up and stop thinking with what's in your pants. "If it feels good, do it" will hurt you and anyone close to you. Look how well this attitude is going over for Tiger Woods and his family. Use Tiger's experience as an example that this lifestyle is wrong and change your attitude while you can.
Historically, you are wrong. Roman and Greek culture didn't start out so open. In fact, historians have argued that the excessive lack of morality towards the end of those ancient cultures were what tipped the balance and caused those cultures to fail.
No, actually Dana is right. Their cultures were indeed very open about it. I've spent the last year and a half to two years (as a European History major) talking about the history and culture of that part of the world, as well as others. Never once did homosexual relations come up as a reason for their downfall. It was, oh, I don't know, the invading armies from other cultures, some of which practiced homosexuality as well, that overran them, in short.
Man, it's so wild to experience hate disguised in so many ways.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
Chavez y Chavez
I couldn't care less what a mature rated game contains. Its the parent's responsibility to know what the kiddies are whatching.
This attitude on the part of World News Daily reflects how little veting is done. They get a juicy topic and run with it. Check it out first??? Naaa, this puppy is hot!
Assumptions are made based on pre-concieved notions about what is going on....much like the above quote!!!!!
World News isn't a 'radical right wing publication. It is a liberal...and I use the term loosely :P.
Quote fron World News Daily info on a search:
A daily round-up of the latest international news from msnbc.com and its partners, including NBC News, Newsweek and the Washington Post. With features and analysis by NBC reporters ...
These are hardly right wing pubs. It would seem Khalathwyr has the same problem with judging something based on his/her own blind bias
This is just another "news story" to keep people from thinking about all the good things that socialism has brought to the world.
Yeah, cause you're an authority on the socialism.
"Duck and cover"
Sorry pops, the 1950s are gone. Socialism, just like the beloved Free Market Capitalism we have, are all viable and all dependent on the power mongers running them. You have a corrupt elite running them, and they all are doomed to fail, which I think history has proven now.
To blame the system shows you know nothing about the system. It's the people implementing them that caused them to fail.
yeah im stuck in the past i guess, i see how well socialism has worked and cant wait for Obama's corruption to make it fail here.
Yet you're in complete denial of free market capitalism, with a joke for regulation, has failed equally. Nope, don't want to talk about that. Ignore the man behind the screen, lol!
At least you're honest about it. More than I can say for some of the other yokels in here.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
Chavez y Chavez
Apparently homosexuality is the root of all evil and is the most pressing concern to conservatives.
Then again, global warming is a myth. (lol).
Here we go, a nice conservative bashing thread. Guess it had to happen. Since we're doing thread derails on Global Warming, we might as well have some fun: http://volokh.com/2009/12/08/the-homogenized-data-is-false/
Um, in fairness, I don't think you'll find a single liberal person affiliated with that site. A spade is a spade and if there is one set of people who harbor the most hate for any kind of change (social, economic, whatever) it's the right wing folks. You don't see liberals or moderates setting up sites bashing people for their lifestyles. No, they only bash conservatives (those that want to, not all of them do). Why? Because Conservatives started in with the hate long ago.
"Let he who is without Sin cast the first stone"...
Man, conservatives started picking up rocks the moment this was first said looking to hit someone.
I have a hard time with the above statement. I figure I am pretty much a conservative, but lean toward pro-choice and have no problems with homosexuals at all. However, I am pretty sure that we don't have enough data to prove Global Warming, and I think Obama's healthcare plan is a really bad idea.
What am I?
The point is, "Conservatives" don't have a monopoly on hate - the liberals throw around more than their fair share also. Example? Bush is a 'moron', Quayle is an idiot, Palin...well, she's been called all sorts of things. The treatment of the so-called conservative leaders has been at least as hateful as anything that has come out of Glenn Beck's mouth.
As for change....the Fair Tax movement is deemed conservative at the moment - and it would be a very MAJOR change (and one I support).
Well...I've had my say. Off to download the nudity patch :-)
Sure, but in the context of this discussion they certainly "threw the first punches". As for the change comment, it is my fault for not clarifying. Change that helps the rich get richer, makes middle class take a sharp punch in the nose and the poor stay poorer is good and dandy for conservatives. Ironically, the vast majority of them fall into the middle class yet they continuously vote for measures that hurt them. That's a research paper right there.
As for Big O's healthcare plan, yeah, it's not perfect, but it's akin to what they have in Great Britain and Canada and they certainly are in better shape than we are. If data really were the point of Conservatives, they shut up on this one and vote yes.
But it's not. The facts don't mean a thing to either side, really. It's about holding the party line, not making a better country.
Oh, and that's the thing that gets me. Your last comment, though I'm not aiming at you in specific. I'm aiming at the folks who run that site. I can guarantee you if an FBI computer forensics team did a sweep of their work and home computers you'd find some of the dirtiest pornographic material ever. Hypocrits.
In fact, that's something I'd like to see. Random inspections of home and office of the morality patrol entities of the world. You want to preach it and clog up my air space, then you better be a Paragon of virtue. You linger for more than a second in the bra section of a JC Penny magazine and I want to know about it cause that's SIN.
Ask the people suffering who wait for months for major procedures how wonderful the social health care is? The US does in fact have the best health care available which is why the EXTREMELY wealthy from those system come here when afflicted with something greater than a cold. Now let's talk about how the 85% of people in this county who do have health care would be faced with an ever growing number of restrictions when the rationing begins. Oh and who pays for it all? Oh I forgot the rich do because they are mean and selfish for making all that money, and putting people to work, and creating industry that in turns creates jobs. How vile are they to show initiative and utilize a system that allows them to prosper? It's much better than we blame someone else for life's situation. It's the schools fault, or my upbringing or hundreds of other excuses.
I am proud to be part of a system that allows a person from any background, race etc to succeed based on hard work and initiative! Those principles not handouts produce a strong prosperous society. I'm going to offend some of you with one of those nasty Biblical statements. "Give a man a fish and you feed him once, teach him how to fish and you feed him forever." What does that mean. It means you empower people by helping them help themselves. Everyone in life needs a helping hand and all of us should be willing to lend it. It does not mean that some should be totally supported by others indefinitely.
OMG I can't believe I'm making a post like this on this site! Oh and DA is a fine game.
I couldn't care less what a mature rated game contains. Its the parent's responsibility to know what the kiddies are whatching.
This attitude on the part of World News Daily reflects how little veting is done. They get a juicy topic and run with it. Check it out first??? Naaa, this puppy is hot!
Assumptions are made based on pre-concieved notions about what is going on....much like the above quote!!!!!
World News isn't a 'radical right wing publication. It is a liberal...and I use the term loosely :P.
Quote fron World News Daily info on a search:
A daily round-up of the latest international news from msnbc.com and its partners, including NBC News, Newsweek and the Washington Post. With features and analysis by NBC reporters ...
These are hardly right wing pubs. It would seem Khalathwyr has the same problem with judging something based on his/her own blind bias
This is just another "news story" to keep people from thinking about all the good things that socialism has brought to the world.
Yeah, cause you're an authority on the socialism.
"Duck and cover"
Sorry pops, the 1950s are gone. Socialism, just like the beloved Free Market Capitalism we have, are all viable and all dependent on the power mongers running them. You have a corrupt elite running them, and they all are doomed to fail, which I think history has proven now.
To blame the system shows you know nothing about the system. It's the people implementing them that caused them to fail.
yeah im stuck in the past i guess, i see how well socialism has worked and cant wait for Obama's corruption to make it fail here.
Yet you're in complete denial of free market capitalism, with a joke for regulation, has failed equally. Nope, don't want to talk about that. Ignore the man behind the screen, lol!
At least you're honest about it. More than I can say for some of the other yokels in here.
I dont know how the U.S. became the richest country in the world without embracing socialism. Maybe you can explain to me how it is that western europe is doing so well and yet demanding money for the U.N. and the farce known as global warming?
Bottom line for me is that DA:O is a great game.
Sure there is a small "sex" aspect to the game. My first playthrough was 70 odd hours, of that there was maby 15-20 mins total devoted to the "sex" aspect. Second playthrough was a little under 50 hours and again maby 15-20 mins total on the "sex" aspect. Shocker.
Dunno why people are so worked up about it. Hell you can even just tap "Esc" to skip the cut-sceen anyway (not that its much of a cut sceen .. couple of avatars in underware whoop-dee-do)
Its such a tiny small aspect of the game it really does not even bare mentioning except as a side diversion from the main game. The dialog options require you to be beloved by your NPC companion which reqiures (Usually) compleating thier side-quests and gift giving along with the correct dialog choices. Its not something that the avrage hack'n'slash player will even come across. You can play the whole game and never even bother to talk to your NPC companions. Makes no real difference except they gain a slight buff (4 stages) for liking you more if your converstations go well or they take the hump and leave your party if they dont.
Its all 100% optional content. None of it is required to play the game.
Hell I am suprised this "news site" was'ent as offended by some of the random conversations that your NPCs have as you wander around. These are based on which NPCs you have in your party currently and how far along in dialog you have gotten with them OR where you are in the world OR what quests your doing etc. After three play throughs I've still yet to hear them all and some are quite amusing and racey. Zev talking to Wynn about her "Magical Breasts" or Org talking to Alistier about "Polishing his weapon" then theres Org telling Wynn he'd like to "Take her around the back .. if he was'ent locked up in his armor" .. these conversations happen just as your wandering around .. so no this is deff NOT a kids game. Its all implied but very amusing stuff ... whenever my party members started chatting to each other I'd always stop dead to see what they have to say.
Over all the game is extreemly well done and offers many many hours of playtime. Doing all the quests and side quests for the first time will take over 50 hours (70 for me because I am a compleationist and played on Hard - Very Difficult from the get go) and it was money well spent for me. Usually I dont bother with single player games .. currently theres no MMO I am interested in playing (Or replaying as the case may be) and this game is a great diversion.
You can grab DO:A for about $30 online now .. buy it and judge for yourself. If you liked BG or NWN you'll prob enjoy this one too.
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"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
Chavez y Chavez
I couldn't care less what a mature rated game contains. Its the parent's responsibility to know what the kiddies are whatching.
This attitude on the part of World News Daily reflects how little veting is done. They get a juicy topic and run with it. Check it out first??? Naaa, this puppy is hot!
Assumptions are made based on pre-concieved notions about what is going on....much like the above quote!!!!!
World News isn't a 'radical right wing publication. It is a liberal...and I use the term loosely :P.
Quote fron World News Daily info on a search:
A daily round-up of the latest international news from msnbc.com and its partners, including NBC News, Newsweek and the Washington Post. With features and analysis by NBC reporters ...
These are hardly right wing pubs. It would seem Khalathwyr has the same problem with judging something based on his/her own blind bias
This is just another "news story" to keep people from thinking about all the good things that socialism has brought to the world.
Yeah, cause you're an authority on the socialism.
"Duck and cover"
Sorry pops, the 1950s are gone. Socialism, just like the beloved Free Market Capitalism we have, are all viable and all dependent on the power mongers running them. You have a corrupt elite running them, and they all are doomed to fail, which I think history has proven now.
To blame the system shows you know nothing about the system. It's the people implementing them that caused them to fail.
yeah im stuck in the past i guess, i see how well socialism has worked and cant wait for Obama's corruption to make it fail here.
Yet you're in complete denial of free market capitalism, with a joke for regulation, has failed equally. Nope, don't want to talk about that. Ignore the man behind the screen, lol!
At least you're honest about it. More than I can say for some of the other yokels in here.
I dont know how the U.S. became the richest country in the world without embracing socialism. Maybe you can explain to me how it is that western europe is doing so well and yet demanding money for the U.N. and the farce known as global warming?
Seems like the difference between socialism and capitalism seems marginal at best. Seems mostly different on paper, but when you take a look at america at closer view, it's actually quite a bit socialisitic in many aspects. Sorry just had to add my 2cents into both of you're interesting debate.
I'm actually not afraid of more socialism in our country, I mean if America needs it, then we should adapt... One thing you can say about Americans that seems historically true, is that we are good at changing, adapting and evolving as a country... generally speaking ofc.
I couldn't care less what a mature rated game contains. Its the parent's responsibility to know what the kiddies are whatching.
This attitude on the part of World News Daily reflects how little veting is done. They get a juicy topic and run with it. Check it out first??? Naaa, this puppy is hot!
Assumptions are made based on pre-concieved notions about what is going on....much like the above quote!!!!!
World News isn't a 'radical right wing publication. It is a liberal...and I use the term loosely :P.
Quote fron World News Daily info on a search:
A daily round-up of the latest international news from msnbc.com and its partners, including NBC News, Newsweek and the Washington Post. With features and analysis by NBC reporters ...
These are hardly right wing pubs. It would seem Khalathwyr has the same problem with judging something based on his/her own blind bias
This is just another "news story" to keep people from thinking about all the good things that socialism has brought to the world.
Yeah, cause you're an authority on the socialism.
"Duck and cover"
Sorry pops, the 1950s are gone. Socialism, just like the beloved Free Market Capitalism we have, are all viable and all dependent on the power mongers running them. You have a corrupt elite running them, and they all are doomed to fail, which I think history has proven now.
To blame the system shows you know nothing about the system. It's the people implementing them that caused them to fail.
yeah im stuck in the past i guess, i see how well socialism has worked and cant wait for Obama's corruption to make it fail here.
Yet you're in complete denial of free market capitalism, with a joke for regulation, has failed equally. Nope, don't want to talk about that. Ignore the man behind the screen, lol!
At least you're honest about it. More than I can say for some of the other yokels in here.
I dont know how the U.S. became the richest country in the world without embracing socialism. Maybe you can explain to me how it is that western europe is doing so well and yet demanding money for the U.N. and the farce known as global warming?
Seems like the difference between socialism and capitalism seems marginal at best. Seems mostly different on paper, but when you take a look at america at closer view, it's actually quite a bit socialisitic in many aspects. Sorry just had to add my 2cents into both of you're interesting debate.
I'm actually not afraid of more socialism in our country, I mean if America needs it, then we should adapt... One thing you can say about Americans that seems historically true, is that we are good at changing, adapting and evolving as a country... generally speaking ofc.
I agree it takes a balance of the two. My problem with the current administration is too much power. I do not like either party to have as much power as the liberals have at this time. The presidency and both houses is too much power to wield,be it a left or right wing administration.
I dont know how the U.S. became the richest country in the world without embracing socialism. Maybe you can explain to me how it is that western europe is doing so well and yet demanding money for the U.N. and the farce known as global warming?
I'd love to, but this, turning into a good conversation, is really off topic for the thread (not that we haven't just butchered that to already) and is something that I would do much better at in face to face conversation. There's a reason China is still kicking and that many of the countries in SE Asia still support the socialist model.
As for the global warming thing there is no data I could ever show you, no matter how true and accurate it was, that would convince you it was happening. That and I'm no scientist. I am a hunter, though and I can tell you the last couple of winters here in Texas have been...odd. We have a huge flock of Canadian Geese that used to migrate through here like clockwork. They'd arrive in late October, early November. Well, last year they came through in Mid November and this year they arrived 3 days ago.
Be that as it may, I don't expect people who didn't grow up in the country or who don't hunt/fish to put much stock in it.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
Chavez y Chavez
I couldn't care less what a mature rated game contains. Its the parent's responsibility to know what the kiddies are whatching.
This attitude on the part of World News Daily reflects how little veting is done. They get a juicy topic and run with it. Check it out first??? Naaa, this puppy is hot!
Assumptions are made based on pre-concieved notions about what is going on....much like the above quote!!!!!
World News isn't a 'radical right wing publication. It is a liberal...and I use the term loosely :P.
Quote fron World News Daily info on a search:
A daily round-up of the latest international news from msnbc.com and its partners, including NBC News, Newsweek and the Washington Post. With features and analysis by NBC reporters ...
These are hardly right wing pubs. It would seem Khalathwyr has the same problem with judging something based on his/her own blind bias
This is just another "news story" to keep people from thinking about all the good things that socialism has brought to the world.
Yeah, cause you're an authority on the socialism.
"Duck and cover"
Sorry pops, the 1950s are gone. Socialism, just like the beloved Free Market Capitalism we have, are all viable and all dependent on the power mongers running them. You have a corrupt elite running them, and they all are doomed to fail, which I think history has proven now.
To blame the system shows you know nothing about the system. It's the people implementing them that caused them to fail.
yeah im stuck in the past i guess, i see how well socialism has worked and cant wait for Obama's corruption to make it fail here.
Yet you're in complete denial of free market capitalism, with a joke for regulation, has failed equally. Nope, don't want to talk about that. Ignore the man behind the screen, lol!
At least you're honest about it. More than I can say for some of the other yokels in here.
I dont know how the U.S. became the richest country in the world without embracing socialism. Maybe you can explain to me how it is that western europe is doing so well and yet demanding money for the U.N. and the farce known as global warming?
Seems like the difference between socialism and capitalism seems marginal at best. Seems mostly different on paper, but when you take a look at america at closer view, it's actually quite a bit socialisitic in many aspects. Sorry just had to add my 2cents into both of you're interesting debate.
I'm actually not afraid of more socialism in our country, I mean if America needs it, then we should adapt... One thing you can say about Americans that seems historically true, is that we are good at changing, adapting and evolving as a country... generally speaking ofc.
I agree it takes a balance of the two. My problem with the current administration is too much power. I do not like either party to have as much power as the liberals have at this time. The presidency and both houses is too much power to wield,be it a left or right wing administration.
Honestly, I don't even know why I'm a Democrat anymore. I mean I look at this whole "Bipartisan politics" more like a maffia taking turns running our country, and making some scratch for friends and fellow party memebers. Maybe if America should have 4 or 5 parties and share the power, stuff actually might get done. It just seems to me that after years of Democrats vs. Republicans seems very shallow to me these days... It seems like they are just pretending to create divisive issues to keep ppl distracted so that they can share power back and forth,... election after election... and yet appear as they both parties are "fighting the good fight" so to speak... Maybe I've grown cynical in my old age, but I think it's a scam both parties perpetuate a monopoly of power by sharing the office and senate. It all just seems disegenuous. And I would probably join an Idenpendant party but, most are just a mix of conservative democrats and liberal republicans... seems like there's no true 3rd Party to choose from.
Sorry I know I got a bit off topic with my diatribe.
I dont know how the U.S. became the richest country in the world without embracing socialism. Maybe you can explain to me how it is that western europe is doing so well and yet demanding money for the U.N. and the farce known as global warming?
I'd love to, but this, turning into a good conversation, is really off topic for the thread (not that we haven't just butchered that to already) and is something that I would do much better at in face to face conversation. There's a reason China is still kicking and that many of the countries in SE Asia still support the socialist model.
As for the global warming thing there is no data I could ever show you, no matter how true and accurate it was, that would convince you it was happening. That and I'm no scientist. I am a hunter, though and I can tell you the last couple of winters here in Texas have been...odd. We have a huge flock of Canadian Geese that used to migrate through here like clockwork. They'd arrive in late October, early November. Well, last year they came through in Mid November and this year they arrived 3 days ago.
Be that as it may, I don't expect people who didn't grow up in the country or who don't hunt/fish to put much stock in it.
I dont doubt that the climate does change. I read an article about how the average temperature of Mars has risen as well. What i dispute is that it isnt a natural thing. That and the fact that Al Gore has made a pile of money since he started his crusade. The best explanation I have heard is that every so many thousands of years the planets in the solar system align in way that creates a pull which shifts the earth, and I would assume the other planets as well, on its axis and creates a change in climate. Like you i am not a scientist either but Al Gore and the believers being able to combat an act of nature is ludicrous to me and only points to greed or arrogance and in Al's case i would say both.
Hey, it may not mean much, but I agree with you 100%. I voted Democrat because the Repulicans had it for 8 years and so it was, in my view, time to give the other side a shot. Some Repubs say W wasn't a fiscal conservative. Fine, I won't argue. I do have issue with the rest of you standing by him when he wasn't so fiscally conservative, though, lol.
So yeah, I'd love nothing more than to see a 3rd and 4th party rise to prominence here. I'd also like to see the Senate term limit dropped from 6 years to 4 or 3.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
Chavez y Chavez
I think we can officially declare this thread 110% derailed.
Not that the conversation is bad just totally off topic.
Asheron's Call, Champions Online, Dark Age of Camelot, EVE Online, EverQuest, Lineage 2, Star Wars Galaxies and World of Warcraft.Waiting for SWTOR
Hey, it may not mean much, but I agree with you 100%. I voted Democrat because the Repulicans had it for 8 years and so it was, in my view, time to give the other side a shot. Some Repubs say W wasn't a fiscal conservative. Fine, I won't argue. I do have issue with the rest of you standing by him when he wasn't so fiscally conservative, though, lol.
So yeah, I'd love nothing more than to see a 3rd and 4th party rise to prominence here. I'd also like to see the Senate term limit dropped from 6 years to 4 or 3.
I have to say that what you say scares me.
You voted for the other side to basically give them a shot? Plain and simple, thats dumb thinking or being brainwashed.
I vote for whoever I feel will best support myself and my family over the long haul. Also who has the values I have. I dont vote party line for the sake of seeing what they can do...
Bush was not a fiscal conservative, but I stand by him as he made many of the right choices. But he did bleed money out. The current administration is making a joke of Bush's spending though.
Also, to be on topic, The game does promote homesexual activity if it provides a reward to cheat and engage in such activity (acheivments).
Hey, it may not mean much, but I agree with you 100%. I voted Democrat because the Repulicans had it for 8 years and so it was, in my view, time to give the other side a shot. Some Repubs say W wasn't a fiscal conservative. Fine, I won't argue. I do have issue with the rest of you standing by him when he wasn't so fiscally conservative, though, lol.
So yeah, I'd love nothing more than to see a 3rd and 4th party rise to prominence here. I'd also like to see the Senate term limit dropped from 6 years to 4 or 3.
I have to say that what you say scares me.
You voted for the other side to basically give them a shot? Plain and simple, thats dumb thinking or being brainwashed.
I vote for whoever I feel will best support myself and my family over the long haul. Also who has the values I have. I dont vote party line for the sake of seeing what they can do...
Bush was not a fiscal conservative, but I stand by him as he made many of the right choices. But he did bleed money out. The current administration is making a joke of Bush's spending though.
Also, to be on topic, The game does promote homesexual activity if it provides a reward to cheat and engage in such activity (acheivments).
Oh good lord... no comment...
Hey, it may not mean much, but I agree with you 100%. I voted Democrat because the Repulicans had it for 8 years and so it was, in my view, time to give the other side a shot. Some Repubs say W wasn't a fiscal conservative. Fine, I won't argue. I do have issue with the rest of you standing by him when he wasn't so fiscally conservative, though, lol.
So yeah, I'd love nothing more than to see a 3rd and 4th party rise to prominence here. I'd also like to see the Senate term limit dropped from 6 years to 4 or 3.
I have to say that what you say scares me.
You voted for the other side to basically give them a shot? Plain and simple, thats dumb thinking or being brainwashed.
I vote for whoever I feel will best support myself and my family over the long haul. Also who has the values I have. I dont vote party line for the sake of seeing what they can do...
Bush was not a fiscal conservative, but I stand by him as he made many of the right choices. But he did bleed money out. The current administration is making a joke of Bush's spending though.
Also, to be on topic, The game does promote homesexual activity if it provides a reward to cheat and engage in such activity (acheivments).
Your entitled to your opinion, just as I am entitled to believe that anyone who believed bush did anything good for this country is just as stupid and brain-free as he.
Yes, it was careless of me to state what I did in the manner I did. There were other reasons as well. And yes, one sides ideas screwed the pooch let's see if the other can do better isn't an invalid line of thought. Especially if the next in line proves to only be more of the same of what you already had.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
Chavez y Chavez
First of all to claim deviance you have to accept that there is a norm that is being deviated from. And you just can't do that. People all over the world throughout all times have done different things to get off. The idea that a sexual behavior is deviant is false.
Those things are not morally wrong in every culture. I understand that since you think those things are deviant, you also think that 'right-thinking' people all over the world agree with you, but its just not the case.
Now lets assume for the sake of argument that there is a sexual norm, and the things you listed do indeed deviate from that norm. That still doesn't mean those things are wrong, or morally wrong. Different doesn't mean wrong. Also you can't show any harm, so protesting against gay people IS homophobia.
The permissiveness of the US secular culture does not extend to the rest of the world. These acts ARE morally wrong in almost every culture. In some cultures, it even goes so far as to be punished by the death penalty for those who get caught in such situations. If you disagree, go to Saudi Arabia and practice homosexuality publicly.
Despite your wishing otherwise, morally wrong is morally wrong. Those with moral standards have the right to protest against that which they find immoral. Protesting against public display of sexual deviance is not homophobia, it's an attempt to bring moral values to their community and dissuade those practicing deviant behavior from committing immoral acts. The harm is to both those witnessing the acts and those committing them. If you were to stop someone who was about to cut off their hand, would you be handectomyphobic? No, you'd be expressing concern for that person's well-being.
That's not even remotely true.
Romans, Greeks and all sorts of other cultures throughout history were completely OK with homosexuality. Historically speaking, in Western culture at least, this moral outcry is a relatively (IE: in the hundreds of years) new development.
Sure, there are cultures where you cannot openly be gay, but there are also cultures where you cannot eat certain animals on certain days of the week. Every culture has its quirks.
But to paint that with such a complete brush is absolutely absurd from a historical point of view.
The fact is, modern science should tell people thinking homosexuality is a choice or immoral is ridiculous. Biologically speaking, 10% of ducks are gay. Get over it.
Your entire pro-deviance argument is that humans are incapable of thinking beyond their sexual organs, so we should just have sex with anything that moves, regardless of morality, social consequences, marital consequences, or medical consequences. That's absurd. If that's really how you feel, all I can say is maybe you should grow up and stop thinking with what's in your pants. "If it feels good, do it" will hurt you and anyone close to you. Look how well this attitude is going over for Tiger Woods and his family. Use Tiger's experience as an example that this lifestyle is wrong and change your attitude while you can.
Historically, you are wrong. Roman and Greek culture didn't start out so open. In fact, historians have argued that the excessive lack of morality towards the end of those ancient cultures were what tipped the balance and caused those cultures to fail.
No, actually Dana is right. Their cultures were indeed very open about it. I've spent the last year and a half to two years (as a European History major) talking about the history and culture of that part of the world, as well as others. Never once did homosexual relations come up as a reason for their downfall. It was, oh, I don't know, the invading armies from other cultures, some of which practiced homosexuality as well, that overran them, in short.
Man, it's so wild to experience hate disguised in so many ways.
Exactly, coincidentally, I was also a European History major.
There are writers who claim moral decay led to the decay of both civilizations, the other guy is right in that, but he leaves out that they're mostly discredited by serious historians as people with a specific agenda to drive.
Take Rome, they actually reigned it in over the last few hundred years if anything. The really crazy stuff was in the pre-Imperial days, or the early Imperial days.
I don't think anyone is promoting adultery (heck, even Dragon Age punishes you for sleeping around) or bestiality, but you lumping homosexuality in with those is downright offensive.
Dana Massey
Formerly of MMORPG.com
Currently Lead Designer for Bit Trap Studios
Hey, it may not mean much, but I agree with you 100%. I voted Democrat because the Repulicans had it for 8 years and so it was, in my view, time to give the other side a shot. Some Repubs say W wasn't a fiscal conservative. Fine, I won't argue. I do have issue with the rest of you standing by him when he wasn't so fiscally conservative, though, lol.
So yeah, I'd love nothing more than to see a 3rd and 4th party rise to prominence here. I'd also like to see the Senate term limit dropped from 6 years to 4 or 3.
I have to say that what you say scares me.
You voted for the other side to basically give them a shot? Plain and simple, thats dumb thinking or being brainwashed.
I vote for whoever I feel will best support myself and my family over the long haul. Also who has the values I have. I dont vote party line for the sake of seeing what they can do...
Bush was not a fiscal conservative, but I stand by him as he made many of the right choices. But he did bleed money out. The current administration is making a joke of Bush's spending though.
Also, to be on topic, The game does promote homesexual activity if it provides a reward to cheat and engage in such activity (acheivments).
Your entitled to your opinion, just as I am entitled to believe that anyone who believed bush did anything good for this country is just as stupid and brain-free as he.
Yes, it was careless of me to state what I did in the manner I did. There were other reasons as well. And yes, one sides ideas screwed the pooch let's see if the other can do better isn't an invalid line of thought. Especially if the next in line proves to only be more of the same of what you already had.
It's funny how life is, he didn't like, or so it seems so, that you voted for another party just because Republicans had it for 8 years, and... Life is funny yup, he didn't like that reasonning while I actually admired you for it. Shows that you're flexible in your thinking... personally I don't vote party-line, I vote depending on what the individual candidate has said, and what they stand for (or seem to stand for). Anyways to stay on track... I like DAO's evolving story arc, that it allows for choices, and not lack of choices as most rpgs produced tend to show. Variety is the spice of life afterall.
Anyone wanna point out the polygons are gay? Not real people? Even so. I still support these copulating same sex binary beings right to marry!
I kill other players because they're smarter than AI, sometimes.
I like seperate but equal personally... I think the word "marraige" is more a straight, cultural identifier, and it's just seems sneaky that gays are trying to steal that cultural identifier for thier own needs.
What would solve this issue would be to make "Partnership" equal under the eyes of the law when put side-by-side with "Marraige".
When you think about it, by trying to adopt "Marraige" from a straight cultral world view, you dienfranchise your own cultural identity... it's like they are throwing away "Partnership" and hurting their own gay cultural markers and identifiers.
To stay on topic, I got my main character, female mage, to kiss the one of the female npcs during a camp.
Marriage is a legal term and it's been used throughout legally recorded history to bind contractually one male to another. In many instances in modern Western society as we know it.
Separate but equal didn't really work for races, I think that's more of an identifying factor than sexuality.
But also on topic.
This is a holier than thou tablog waiting for feeders to give them something to bitch about and fearmonger. Bioware's a leading fighter on the war against our Constitution and others forcing baseless values on others. Having the gay options availability for players to explore if they're so inclined, or avoid likewise, is the best thing they could have done for our country.
Equality for all.
I kill other players because they're smarter than AI, sometimes.
i love watching the girl on girl action
keep it coming!
I dont know how the U.S. became the richest country in the world without embracing socialism. Maybe you can explain to me how it is that western europe is doing so well and yet demanding money for the U.N. and the farce known as global warming?
I'd love to, but this, turning into a good conversation, is really off topic for the thread (not that we haven't just butchered that to already) and is something that I would do much better at in face to face conversation. There's a reason China is still kicking and that many of the countries in SE Asia still support the socialist model.
As for the global warming thing there is no data I could ever show you, no matter how true and accurate it was, that would convince you it was happening. That and I'm no scientist. I am a hunter, though and I can tell you the last couple of winters here in Texas have been...odd. We have a huge flock of Canadian Geese that used to migrate through here like clockwork. They'd arrive in late October, early November. Well, last year they came through in Mid November and this year they arrived 3 days ago.
Be that as it may, I don't expect people who didn't grow up in the country or who don't hunt/fish to put much stock in it.
Totaly off topic but....
1) Socialism & Capitalism.... depends upon what you mean by "viable". In terms of stability, Feudalism & Divine Right Monarchy would have both systems beat in spades....as they endured for many centuries over large parts of the globe and still exist is some form in many parts of the world today. They were stable....doesn't exactly mean that they were particularly pleasant systems to live under for many folks however.
The idea that systems are all equally viable and it's all about implimentation is quite flawed. Any engineer will tell you that and it holds equally true in ploitics and government as most other fields. There are 2 parts to determining how well any particular system will perform... Design & Implimentation. The best implimentation in the world won't save a flawed design.... although poor implimentation certainly can astro-turf a great design.
I certainly won't pretend that capitalism doesn't have it's share of problems.... but socialism suffers some very, very difficult to address design flaws that almost doom it as a system. The most basic is the idea that government (and hence government officials) can be entrusted to determine what is a "just and fair" equality of outcome for each and every individual. Simply put... "power corrupts" and entrusting government with the mandate to determine equality of outcomes (and thereby the power to enforce them) is kinda like handing a drunken sailor, a bottle of whiskey, a credit card, the keys to a fast car and Alysa Milano's home address.... it's an exercize almost certain to end badly.
Another problem is the implied notion that individuals needs, desired outcomes, etc are roughly the same and that a government official or "society" is in a better position to judge an individuals situation then the individual themselves. You also have issues with a lack of merit based rewards systems....and lack of consequences for risk/reward decisions.
I won't get into it too much but suffice to say, that there are real problems with the design that go beyond simple implimentation.
One of the biggest strengths of the American system of government is the concept of "limited government". That is that there are limits to the powers that government is allowed to legitimately excercize (This is a core value espoused by many flavors of modern day Conservatism, btw). The idea being that the accumlation of significant power in any single entity will inevitably corrupt that entity and be abused. By imposing firm limits on the extent of governments power over individuals, the idea is that you will reduce the degree to which governments can abuse thier powers.
Unfortunately the principle of limited government is directly at odds with a socialist system. The goals of a socialist system almost mandate vast and sweeping governmental powers in order to be achieved.
2) On global warming (hunter here too btw). For what it's worth, your anecdotal evidence would actualy weaken the claim for man-made global warming that is currently in vogue these days rather then strengthen it. Although it's called "global warming"... that does not mean that all parts of the globe are expected to evince warming trends. All the models of the current theory that I've heard about predict that Eastern North America (presumably where your birds are migrating from) should actualy be growing COLDER due to "global warming". This is supposed to be due to the weakening of the Gulf Stream current which makes our climate up here significantly milder then would otherwise be the case for this latitude. The idea that geese were migrating later in the year because the climate up North was getting warmer would run COUNTER to that claim. Personaly, I wouldn't put much stock in isolated anecdotes one way or the other. The climate is a pretty complicated thing....and individual isolated effects would be pretty hard to attribute to any one given cause unless you had a very thorough understanding of everything that factored into them. Maybe you do in that particular case....but I know I certainly don't.
You can actually have a four way. Also, the romance scenes are VERY PG. I have seen more graphic things happening on the street. If people are really that repulsed by gay "sex" which is really kissing, they should just alt tab. Also, Lelianna, Alistair, and Morrigan are all humans. Zevran is the only elf. I should also point out that you can receive the same extra bonuses by giving them gifts.
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Yeah I agree, they are pg at best. A kiss is just a kiss afterall. Also, I remeber playing the first God of War on PS2 and was shocked at that one mini-game part where you have to have sex with this chick in the bed. I was so suprised to see that the player had to jiggle the Analog stick and press buttons when indicated while the main character fondled and played with her breasts. The point is I considered that almost R rated material and that was on a console system. You don't see any of that in DAO, it's just kissing... not a big deal imho, at least compared to God of War... come to think if it, wasn't that on the first part of the story arc, near the beggining?