Originally posted by DoomsDay01 1. haha thats a good one. People paying 15 bucks a month would just love to have 24 hours of non xp. That will never happen, at least, not in the USA. 24 hours for that one character. Ever hear of alts? Not to mention characters can still craft, earn money, and chase gear. Never say never. 2. klingons fight each other all time trying to kill off other houses, that doesn't expand the empire either. The setting of the game is war between Federation and Empire. Klingons will be expected to put aside personal disputes to fight against the common enemy - including expanding the Empire's resources by conquest of third parties. 3. There is a queue system, which has been mentioned already, the only imbalance is going to be if you have to wait for hours to get into a battle. Do you think that will be a minor problem? Waiting hours to PvP? They have also stated that there are like 5 different queue systems that you can choose from and some of those don't involve fighting the federation at all. You want to talk about imbalance, lets talk about klingons being a pvp race only. How do you think those people who have had to spend all their time gaining ranks via PVP'ing, is going to do against the federation who spend most of their time doing PVE? They will slaughter the federation in PVP. Hows that for imbalance?
You're right. That's another problem.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Originally posted by DoomsDay01 1. haha thats a good one. People paying 15 bucks a month would just love to have 24 hours of non xp. That will never happen, at least, not in the USA. 24 hours for that one character. Ever hear of alts? Not to mention characters can still craft, earn money, and chase gear. Never say never. 2. klingons fight each other all time trying to kill off other houses, that doesn't expand the empire either. The setting of the game is war between Federation and Empire. Klingons will be expected to put aside personal disputes to fight against the common enemy - including expanding the Empire's resources by conquest of third parties. 3. There is a queue system, which has been mentioned already, the only imbalance is going to be if you have to wait for hours to get into a battle. Do you think that will be a minor problem? Waiting hours to PvP? They have also stated that there are like 5 different queue systems that you can choose from and some of those don't involve fighting the federation at all. You want to talk about imbalance, lets talk about klingons being a pvp race only. How do you think those people who have had to spend all their time gaining ranks via PVP'ing, is going to do against the federation who spend most of their time doing PVE? They will slaughter the federation in PVP. Hows that for imbalance?
You're right. That's another problem.
The MMO community would never accept a 24 hour hold of exp for any character. This is one time I would have to say never and feel confident that it would be correct. Even in a time of war, klingons still fight each other for more power. It is even more so due to the fact the war is going on and a house may be weakened. Klingons would not put aside personal disputes for the betterment of their empire, simply because of their very nature of being conquerors.
And yes, I think the queue system will be a minor issue simply because of how they are implementing this queue system. It is going to be a unique queue system that nobody has ever had before. So I suspect that queue lengths are not really going to be an issue.
Since one of the other threads got deleted, and who knows why. I had asked you in that thread if you actually plan on playing the game. I mean, you are being very critical of the game so I assume that you care a lot about it and are planning on playing. Am I correct in that assumption?
Originally posted by DoomsDay01 The MMO community would never accept a 24 hour hold of exp for any character. This is one time I would have to say never and feel confident that it would be correct. Even in a time of war, klingons still fight each other for more power. It is even more so due to the fact the war is going on and a house may be weakened. Klingons would not put aside personal disputes for the betterment of their empire, simply because of their very nature of being conquerors.
You should watch "Sins of the Father" again (season 3, TNG). Klingons are perfectly capable of even putting aside family honor for the betterment of the empire. Also, there are strict requirements to killing another Klingon in the IDF and as best I recall the statement "even in a time of war, klingons still fight each other for more power" doesn't have any support from the shows. Unless you are counting one Klingon challenging the judgment of a superior, but that's not a house vs. house conflict at all. House Duras is perhaps an exception to the general principles of how Klingons behave, but considering they were treacherous, self-centered bastards, I don't think it is fair to judge the standards of the entire race by the worst of the lot.
Originally posted by DoomsDay01 The MMO community would never accept a 24 hour hold of exp for any character. This is one time I would have to say never and feel confident that it would be correct. Even in a time of war, klingons still fight each other for more power. It is even more so due to the fact the war is going on and a house may be weakened. Klingons would not put aside personal disputes for the betterment of their empire, simply because of their very nature of being conquerors.
You should watch "Sins of the Father" again (season 3, TNG). Klingons are perfectly capable of even putting aside family honor for the betterment of the empire. Also, there are strict requirements to killing another Klingon in the IDF and as best I recall the statement "even in a time of war, klingons still fight each other for more power" doesn't have any support from the shows. Unless you are counting one Klingon challenging the judgment of a superior, but that's not a house vs. house conflict at all. House Duras is perhaps an exception to the general principles of how Klingons behave, but considering they were treacherous, self-centered bastards, I don't think it is fair to judge the standards of the entire race by the worst of the lot.
You may have a point there as I was thinking of the duras family but look at the history of the klingons. They are always on a verge of civil war and any little thing happening could plunge them into it. If praxis hadn't of exploded, who knows, they may have maintained their military structure and things would have been very different, but due to that, they had to swallow thier pride and make concessions that most of the klingons feel made them week. Most klingons would have preferred to continue their war and die in glorious battle instead of accepting help from outsiders. After the High council was formed, while they did give them purpose, the klingon people still feel that they are degrading themselves by not being like they were before their moon exploded. This is keeping them on a verge of civil war and keeps them fighting amongst themselves. Even with them declaring war on practically everyone else in the STO timeline, you can not break them of their internal strife. That has been proven in the tv shows.
Originally posted by DoomsDay01 The MMO community would never accept a 24 hour hold of exp for any character. This is one time I would have to say never and feel confident that it would be correct. Even in a time of war, klingons still fight each other for more power. It is even more so due to the fact the war is going on and a house may be weakened. Klingons would not put aside personal disputes for the betterment of their empire, simply because of their very nature of being conquerors.
You should watch "Sins of the Father" again (season 3, TNG). Klingons are perfectly capable of even putting aside family honor for the betterment of the empire. Also, there are strict requirements to killing another Klingon in the IDF and as best I recall the statement "even in a time of war, klingons still fight each other for more power" doesn't have any support from the shows. Unless you are counting one Klingon challenging the judgment of a superior, but that's not a house vs. house conflict at all. House Duras is perhaps an exception to the general principles of how Klingons behave, but considering they were treacherous, self-centered bastards, I don't think it is fair to judge the standards of the entire race by the worst of the lot.
You may have a point there as I was thinking of the duras family but look at the history of the klingons. They are always on a verge of civil war and any little thing happening could plunge them into it. If praxis hadn't of exploded, who knows, they may have maintained their military structure and things would have been very different, but due to that, they had to swallow thier pride and make concessions that most of the klingons feel made them week. Most klingons would have preferred to continue their war and die in glorious battle instead of accepting help from outsiders. After the High council was formed, while they did give them purpose, the klingon people still feel that they are degrading themselves by not being like they were before their moon exploded. This is keeping them on a verge of civil war and keeps them fighting amongst themselves. Even with them declaring war on practically everyone else in the STO timeline, you can not break them of their internal strife. That has been proven in the tv shows.
Beyond the Duras family, I can't think of one time the Klingons were close to civil war in any of the shows or movies and the Klingons are shown pretty often.
Beyond the Duras family, I can't think of one time the Klingons were close to civil war in any of the shows or movies and the Klingons are shown pretty often.
Beyond the Duras family, I can't think of one time the Klingons were close to civil war in any of the shows or movies and the Klingons are shown pretty often.
What about Gowran?
Are you talking about Gowran's forces fighting the Duras family's or when Gowran got deposed? The latter didn't bring things close to a civil war as far as I recall -- it was the standard "I question your leadership capabilities so we duel to the death" system that the Klingons use.
two (okay - three) diverse points brought up recently: 1 - you can slow the rushers from burning through the content too fast. A 24 hour pause on xp gain once L5 has been reached. That means a 50-level game has a month and a half minimum play time.
Originally posted by DoomsDay01 The MMO community would never accept a 24 hour hold of exp for any character. This is one time I would have to say never and feel confident that it would be correct. Even in a time of war, klingons still fight each other for more power. It is even more so due to the fact the war is going on and a house may be weakened. Klingons would not put aside personal disputes for the betterment of their empire, simply because of their very nature of being conquerors.
You should watch "Sins of the Father" again (season 3, TNG). Klingons are perfectly capable of even putting aside family honor for the betterment of the empire. Also, there are strict requirements to killing another Klingon in the IDF and as best I recall the statement "even in a time of war, klingons still fight each other for more power" doesn't have any support from the shows. Unless you are counting one Klingon challenging the judgment of a superior, but that's not a house vs. house conflict at all. House Duras is perhaps an exception to the general principles of how Klingons behave, but considering they were treacherous, self-centered bastards, I don't think it is fair to judge the standards of the entire race by the worst of the lot.
Exactly, Klingons are pretty unified when they have a common enemy. They tend to get into the house vs. house power struggles when there is no one to fight.
What do you mean will be nerd rage? We already have haters raging, already have fanbois raging, already have the middle grounders raging, and none of them have any idea what they are raging about! It's hilarious!
To use a christmas analogy, its like a bunch of people fighting over one unknown gift. They may have a hint of whats in it, they may have caught peeks of it while being wrapped, but you can't logically base the quality of that present based on what little you have seen of it. You could say They gave us a bad gift before, so we'll have a bad gift again, but that's like saying I once had a bad burger at Burger King therefore every burger they make is bad. The Klingon thing was already covered in the Big Mac story at the beginning, I can't beat that one.
Originally posted by DoomsDay01 1. haha thats a good one. People paying 15 bucks a month would just love to have 24 hours of non xp. That will never happen, at least, not in the USA. 24 hours for that one character. Ever hear of alts? Not to mention characters can still craft, earn money, and chase gear. Never say never. 2. klingons fight each other all time trying to kill off other houses, that doesn't expand the empire either. The setting of the game is war between Federation and Empire. Klingons will be expected to put aside personal disputes to fight against the common enemy - including expanding the Empire's resources by conquest of third parties. 3. There is a queue system, which has been mentioned already, the only imbalance is going to be if you have to wait for hours to get into a battle. Do you think that will be a minor problem? Waiting hours to PvP? They have also stated that there are like 5 different queue systems that you can choose from and some of those don't involve fighting the federation at all. You want to talk about imbalance, lets talk about klingons being a pvp race only. How do you think those people who have had to spend all their time gaining ranks via PVP'ing, is going to do against the federation who spend most of their time doing PVE? They will slaughter the federation in PVP. Hows that for imbalance?
You're right. That's another problem.
The MMO community would never accept a 24 hour hold of exp for any character. This is one time I would have to say never and feel confident that it would be correct. Even in a time of war, klingons still fight each other for more power. It is even more so due to the fact the war is going on and a house may be weakened. Klingons would not put aside personal disputes for the betterment of their empire, simply because of their very nature of being conquerors.
And yes, I think the queue system will be a minor issue simply because of how they are implementing this queue system. It is going to be a unique queue system that nobody has ever had before. So I suspect that queue lengths are not really going to be an issue.
Since one of the other threads got deleted, and who knows why. I had asked you in that thread if you actually plan on playing the game. I mean, you are being very critical of the game so I assume that you care a lot about it and are planning on playing. Am I correct in that assumption?
I'd be willing to bet the answer to your last question is no, he does not plan to play he just as his name implies plans to go out and bash any mmo being developed that he doesn't feel is serving his needs. Look at his posts (I don't follow the guy around so he may have one or two positive posts sprinkled in about a product he likes) but I have read many of his posts and they are all just like this he is the boy who cried wolf.
I try to be careful with my comments because I am really a casual Star Trek fan so I didn't get visions of Romulans and Dominion dancing through my head when I heard about the development of this game but I did think of playing as either the Klingons or Federation in the ST universe built on a system that is paced correctly and fun to play and I still have faith that Cryptic can hit all those marks. Again to those who are wanting more face the facts and truth this game is going to start with everything needed to draw in the casual ST fan and there are probably more fans out there who know all of the lore who will still play it because the truth is most of what I constantly hear people pine over is considered a small part of ST lore.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
Originally posted by DoomsDay01 1. haha thats a good one. People paying 15 bucks a month would just love to have 24 hours of non xp. That will never happen, at least, not in the USA. 24 hours for that one character. Ever hear of alts? Not to mention characters can still craft, earn money, and chase gear. Never say never. 2. klingons fight each other all time trying to kill off other houses, that doesn't expand the empire either. The setting of the game is war between Federation and Empire. Klingons will be expected to put aside personal disputes to fight against the common enemy - including expanding the Empire's resources by conquest of third parties. 3. There is a queue system, which has been mentioned already, the only imbalance is going to be if you have to wait for hours to get into a battle. Do you think that will be a minor problem? Waiting hours to PvP? They have also stated that there are like 5 different queue systems that you can choose from and some of those don't involve fighting the federation at all. You want to talk about imbalance, lets talk about klingons being a pvp race only. How do you think those people who have had to spend all their time gaining ranks via PVP'ing, is going to do against the federation who spend most of their time doing PVE? They will slaughter the federation in PVP. Hows that for imbalance?
You're right. That's another problem.
The MMO community would never accept a 24 hour hold of exp for any character. This is one time I would have to say never and feel confident that it would be correct. Even in a time of war, klingons still fight each other for more power. It is even more so due to the fact the war is going on and a house may be weakened. Klingons would not put aside personal disputes for the betterment of their empire, simply because of their very nature of being conquerors.
And yes, I think the queue system will be a minor issue simply because of how they are implementing this queue system. It is going to be a unique queue system that nobody has ever had before. So I suspect that queue lengths are not really going to be an issue.
Since one of the other threads got deleted, and who knows why. I had asked you in that thread if you actually plan on playing the game. I mean, you are being very critical of the game so I assume that you care a lot about it and are planning on playing. Am I correct in that assumption?
I'd be willing to bet the answer to your last question is no, he does not plan to play he just as his name implies plans to go out and bash any mmo being developed that he doesn't feel is serving his needs. Look at his posts (I don't follow the guy around so he may have one or two positive posts sprinkled in about a product he likes) but I have read many of his posts and they are all just like this he is the boy who cried wolf.
I try to be careful with my comments because I am really a casual Star Trek fan so I didn't get visions of Romulans and Dominion dancing through my head when I heard about the development of this game but I did think of playing as either the Klingons or Federation in the ST universe built on a system that is paced correctly and fun to play and I still have faith that Cryptic can hit all those marks. Again to those who are wanting more face the facts and truth this game is going to start with everything needed to draw in the casual ST fan and there are probably more fans out there who know all of the lore who will still play it because the truth is most of what I constantly hear people pine over is considered a small part of ST lore.
Really ?? You think that in the two weeks they have left before open beta that they can fully flesh out the Klingons to a complete faction?
two (okay - three) diverse points brought up recently: 1 - you can slow the rushers from burning through the content too fast. A 24 hour pause on xp gain once L5 has been reached. That means a 50-level game has a month and a half minimum play time. 2 - Klingons are a conquering race, but fighting internal wars with other Klingons does not expand the empire. 3 - Empire/Federation PvP is supposedly a factor in the game, but the relative lack of content for the Klingons is going to hurt their popularity and that will cause PvP imblance. Ask Mythic how that effects PvP.
1. haha thats a good one. People paying 15 bucks a month would just love to have 24 hours of non xp. That will never happen, at least, not in the USA.
2. klingons fight each other all time trying to kill off other houses, that doesn't expand the empire either.
3. There is a queue system, which has been mentioned already, the only imbalance is going to be if you have to wait for hours to get into a battle. They have also stated that there are like 5 different queue systems that you can choose from and some of those don't involve fighting the federation at all. You want to talk about imbalance, lets talk about klingons being a pvp race only. How do you think those people who have had to spend all their time gaining ranks via PVP'ing, is going to do against the federation who spend most of their time doing PVE? They will slaughter the federation in PVP. Hows that for imbalance?
So what do the Klingons do while they wait on the Que? Hmmm? especially if they are behind the curve do to having a life and all and are stuck doing level 10 PvP when 'everyone' is doing higher level PvP.
two (okay - three) diverse points brought up recently: 1 - you can slow the rushers from burning through the content too fast. A 24 hour pause on xp gain once L5 has been reached. That means a 50-level game has a month and a half minimum play time. 2 - Klingons are a conquering race, but fighting internal wars with other Klingons does not expand the empire. 3 - Empire/Federation PvP is supposedly a factor in the game, but the relative lack of content for the Klingons is going to hurt their popularity and that will cause PvP imblance. Ask Mythic how that effects PvP.
1. haha thats a good one. People paying 15 bucks a month would just love to have 24 hours of non xp. That will never happen, at least, not in the USA.
2. klingons fight each other all time trying to kill off other houses, that doesn't expand the empire either.
3. There is a queue system, which has been mentioned already, the only imbalance is going to be if you have to wait for hours to get into a battle. They have also stated that there are like 5 different queue systems that you can choose from and some of those don't involve fighting the federation at all. You want to talk about imbalance, lets talk about klingons being a pvp race only. How do you think those people who have had to spend all their time gaining ranks via PVP'ing, is going to do against the federation who spend most of their time doing PVE? They will slaughter the federation in PVP. Hows that for imbalance?
So what do the Klingons do while they wait on the Que? Hmmm? especially if they are behind the curve do to having a life and all and are stuck doing level 10 PvP when 'everyone' is doing higher level PvP.
How do they possibly advance?
It has already been stated there is like 5 different queue systems. Who says they are waiting at all? One of the mission types is pve to.
two (okay - three) diverse points brought up recently: 1 - you can slow the rushers from burning through the content too fast. A 24 hour pause on xp gain once L5 has been reached. That means a 50-level game has a month and a half minimum play time. 2 - Klingons are a conquering race, but fighting internal wars with other Klingons does not expand the empire. 3 - Empire/Federation PvP is supposedly a factor in the game, but the relative lack of content for the Klingons is going to hurt their popularity and that will cause PvP imblance. Ask Mythic how that effects PvP.
1. haha thats a good one. People paying 15 bucks a month would just love to have 24 hours of non xp. That will never happen, at least, not in the USA.
2. klingons fight each other all time trying to kill off other houses, that doesn't expand the empire either.
3. There is a queue system, which has been mentioned already, the only imbalance is going to be if you have to wait for hours to get into a battle. They have also stated that there are like 5 different queue systems that you can choose from and some of those don't involve fighting the federation at all. You want to talk about imbalance, lets talk about klingons being a pvp race only. How do you think those people who have had to spend all their time gaining ranks via PVP'ing, is going to do against the federation who spend most of their time doing PVE? They will slaughter the federation in PVP. Hows that for imbalance?
So what do the Klingons do while they wait on the Que? Hmmm? especially if they are behind the curve do to having a life and all and are stuck doing level 10 PvP when 'everyone' is doing higher level PvP.
How do they possibly advance?
It has already been stated there is like 5 different queue systems. Who says they are waiting at all? One of the mission types is pve to.
A Que... is waiting. The fact that there is a Que implies there will be waiting. Just prey and hope it doesn't end up like CO's PvP que's lol. Long Long wait most the time now days.
A Que... is waiting. The fact that there is a Que implies there will be waiting. Just prey and hope it doesn't end up like CO's PvP que's lol. Long Long wait most the time now days.
Presumably the queues are seperate, meaning that if you queue for all of them, you'd only have to wait until the first one becomes available.
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
Really ?? You think that in the two weeks they have left before open beta that they can fully flesh out the Klingons to a complete faction?
You can play Klingon at release and go kill your friends, family and Feddies. Sounds complete to me.
Oh please, don't be silly. That is hardly 'complete' unless you're talking about STO as a console action shooter ala-Halo. Which is a fine game but I wouldn't pay 15 bucks a month to keep playing it.
You'd have to be the ONLY Klingon logged in to have any chance whatsoever of not finding someone to PvP with.
Well, assuming 1v1 is accommodated, that other Klingon would need to want to do 1v1 PvP (against another Klingon - even though the premise of the game is Federation vs Empire), and be a similar level as you.
With the Klingons being far less content-rich than the Federation, I suspect the game will lose a lot of Klingon players very fast.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
You'd have to be the ONLY Klingon logged in to have any chance whatsoever of not finding someone to PvP with.
Well, assuming 1v1 is accommodated, that other Klingon would need to want to do 1v1 PvP (against another Klingon - even though the premise of the game is Federation vs Empire), and be a similar level as you.
With the Klingons being far less content-rich than the Federation, I suspect the game will lose a lot of Klingon players very fast.
They don't have to be a similar level as you.
Klingons fighting Klingons is absolutely faithful to the IP, regardless of the game's premise.
Knowing that PvP is the primarily (if not only) method for character advancement, why on god's green earth would a Klingon player log in and NOT want to participate in *any* form of PvP available, even 1v1?
Seriously, whether you like Cryptic's design or not, implying that Klingons will be significantly disadvantaged due to reliance on multiplayer gameplay (in an MMO no less) is a bit of a stretch.
STO= another crappy ultra instanced co-op multyplayer online game with no world pvp, incomplete, costed 1 mil to make and will sell enough to all the fanboys to make 4 mil clean, only a couple of players will continue playing post week 1..but cryptic already has made the money they wanted...good for them..they are smart..making money at the expense of less inteligent consumers ftw
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You're right. That's another problem.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
You're right. That's another problem.
The MMO community would never accept a 24 hour hold of exp for any character. This is one time I would have to say never and feel confident that it would be correct. Even in a time of war, klingons still fight each other for more power. It is even more so due to the fact the war is going on and a house may be weakened. Klingons would not put aside personal disputes for the betterment of their empire, simply because of their very nature of being conquerors.
And yes, I think the queue system will be a minor issue simply because of how they are implementing this queue system. It is going to be a unique queue system that nobody has ever had before. So I suspect that queue lengths are not really going to be an issue.
Since one of the other threads got deleted, and who knows why. I had asked you in that thread if you actually plan on playing the game. I mean, you are being very critical of the game so I assume that you care a lot about it and are planning on playing. Am I correct in that assumption?
You should watch "Sins of the Father" again (season 3, TNG). Klingons are perfectly capable of even putting aside family honor for the betterment of the empire. Also, there are strict requirements to killing another Klingon in the IDF and as best I recall the statement "even in a time of war, klingons still fight each other for more power" doesn't have any support from the shows. Unless you are counting one Klingon challenging the judgment of a superior, but that's not a house vs. house conflict at all. House Duras is perhaps an exception to the general principles of how Klingons behave, but considering they were treacherous, self-centered bastards, I don't think it is fair to judge the standards of the entire race by the worst of the lot.
You should watch "Sins of the Father" again (season 3, TNG). Klingons are perfectly capable of even putting aside family honor for the betterment of the empire. Also, there are strict requirements to killing another Klingon in the IDF and as best I recall the statement "even in a time of war, klingons still fight each other for more power" doesn't have any support from the shows. Unless you are counting one Klingon challenging the judgment of a superior, but that's not a house vs. house conflict at all. House Duras is perhaps an exception to the general principles of how Klingons behave, but considering they were treacherous, self-centered bastards, I don't think it is fair to judge the standards of the entire race by the worst of the lot.
You may have a point there as I was thinking of the duras family but look at the history of the klingons. They are always on a verge of civil war and any little thing happening could plunge them into it. If praxis hadn't of exploded, who knows, they may have maintained their military structure and things would have been very different, but due to that, they had to swallow thier pride and make concessions that most of the klingons feel made them week. Most klingons would have preferred to continue their war and die in glorious battle instead of accepting help from outsiders. After the High council was formed, while they did give them purpose, the klingon people still feel that they are degrading themselves by not being like they were before their moon exploded. This is keeping them on a verge of civil war and keeps them fighting amongst themselves. Even with them declaring war on practically everyone else in the STO timeline, you can not break them of their internal strife. That has been proven in the tv shows.
You should watch "Sins of the Father" again (season 3, TNG). Klingons are perfectly capable of even putting aside family honor for the betterment of the empire. Also, there are strict requirements to killing another Klingon in the IDF and as best I recall the statement "even in a time of war, klingons still fight each other for more power" doesn't have any support from the shows. Unless you are counting one Klingon challenging the judgment of a superior, but that's not a house vs. house conflict at all. House Duras is perhaps an exception to the general principles of how Klingons behave, but considering they were treacherous, self-centered bastards, I don't think it is fair to judge the standards of the entire race by the worst of the lot.
You may have a point there as I was thinking of the duras family but look at the history of the klingons. They are always on a verge of civil war and any little thing happening could plunge them into it. If praxis hadn't of exploded, who knows, they may have maintained their military structure and things would have been very different, but due to that, they had to swallow thier pride and make concessions that most of the klingons feel made them week. Most klingons would have preferred to continue their war and die in glorious battle instead of accepting help from outsiders. After the High council was formed, while they did give them purpose, the klingon people still feel that they are degrading themselves by not being like they were before their moon exploded. This is keeping them on a verge of civil war and keeps them fighting amongst themselves. Even with them declaring war on practically everyone else in the STO timeline, you can not break them of their internal strife. That has been proven in the tv shows.
Beyond the Duras family, I can't think of one time the Klingons were close to civil war in any of the shows or movies and the Klingons are shown pretty often.
Just wait till open beta hits the nerd rage will be strong on the forums.
Beyond the Duras family, I can't think of one time the Klingons were close to civil war in any of the shows or movies and the Klingons are shown pretty often.
What about Gowran?
Beyond the Duras family, I can't think of one time the Klingons were close to civil war in any of the shows or movies and the Klingons are shown pretty often.
What about Gowran?
Are you talking about Gowran's forces fighting the Duras family's or when Gowran got deposed? The latter didn't bring things close to a civil war as far as I recall -- it was the standard "I question your leadership capabilities so we duel to the death" system that the Klingons use.
LOL
Good luck with that.
You should watch "Sins of the Father" again (season 3, TNG). Klingons are perfectly capable of even putting aside family honor for the betterment of the empire. Also, there are strict requirements to killing another Klingon in the IDF and as best I recall the statement "even in a time of war, klingons still fight each other for more power" doesn't have any support from the shows. Unless you are counting one Klingon challenging the judgment of a superior, but that's not a house vs. house conflict at all. House Duras is perhaps an exception to the general principles of how Klingons behave, but considering they were treacherous, self-centered bastards, I don't think it is fair to judge the standards of the entire race by the worst of the lot.
Exactly, Klingons are pretty unified when they have a common enemy. They tend to get into the house vs. house power struggles when there is no one to fight.
What do you mean will be nerd rage? We already have haters raging, already have fanbois raging, already have the middle grounders raging, and none of them have any idea what they are raging about! It's hilarious!
To use a christmas analogy, its like a bunch of people fighting over one unknown gift. They may have a hint of whats in it, they may have caught peeks of it while being wrapped, but you can't logically base the quality of that present based on what little you have seen of it. You could say They gave us a bad gift before, so we'll have a bad gift again, but that's like saying I once had a bad burger at Burger King therefore every burger they make is bad. The Klingon thing was already covered in the Big Mac story at the beginning, I can't beat that one.
The NDA is still in effect. Remember that.
You're right. That's another problem.
The MMO community would never accept a 24 hour hold of exp for any character. This is one time I would have to say never and feel confident that it would be correct. Even in a time of war, klingons still fight each other for more power. It is even more so due to the fact the war is going on and a house may be weakened. Klingons would not put aside personal disputes for the betterment of their empire, simply because of their very nature of being conquerors.
And yes, I think the queue system will be a minor issue simply because of how they are implementing this queue system. It is going to be a unique queue system that nobody has ever had before. So I suspect that queue lengths are not really going to be an issue.
Since one of the other threads got deleted, and who knows why. I had asked you in that thread if you actually plan on playing the game. I mean, you are being very critical of the game so I assume that you care a lot about it and are planning on playing. Am I correct in that assumption?
I'd be willing to bet the answer to your last question is no, he does not plan to play he just as his name implies plans to go out and bash any mmo being developed that he doesn't feel is serving his needs. Look at his posts (I don't follow the guy around so he may have one or two positive posts sprinkled in about a product he likes) but I have read many of his posts and they are all just like this he is the boy who cried wolf.
I try to be careful with my comments because I am really a casual Star Trek fan so I didn't get visions of Romulans and Dominion dancing through my head when I heard about the development of this game but I did think of playing as either the Klingons or Federation in the ST universe built on a system that is paced correctly and fun to play and I still have faith that Cryptic can hit all those marks. Again to those who are wanting more face the facts and truth this game is going to start with everything needed to draw in the casual ST fan and there are probably more fans out there who know all of the lore who will still play it because the truth is most of what I constantly hear people pine over is considered a small part of ST lore.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
You're right. That's another problem.
The MMO community would never accept a 24 hour hold of exp for any character. This is one time I would have to say never and feel confident that it would be correct. Even in a time of war, klingons still fight each other for more power. It is even more so due to the fact the war is going on and a house may be weakened. Klingons would not put aside personal disputes for the betterment of their empire, simply because of their very nature of being conquerors.
And yes, I think the queue system will be a minor issue simply because of how they are implementing this queue system. It is going to be a unique queue system that nobody has ever had before. So I suspect that queue lengths are not really going to be an issue.
Since one of the other threads got deleted, and who knows why. I had asked you in that thread if you actually plan on playing the game. I mean, you are being very critical of the game so I assume that you care a lot about it and are planning on playing. Am I correct in that assumption?
I'd be willing to bet the answer to your last question is no, he does not plan to play he just as his name implies plans to go out and bash any mmo being developed that he doesn't feel is serving his needs. Look at his posts (I don't follow the guy around so he may have one or two positive posts sprinkled in about a product he likes) but I have read many of his posts and they are all just like this he is the boy who cried wolf.
I try to be careful with my comments because I am really a casual Star Trek fan so I didn't get visions of Romulans and Dominion dancing through my head when I heard about the development of this game but I did think of playing as either the Klingons or Federation in the ST universe built on a system that is paced correctly and fun to play and I still have faith that Cryptic can hit all those marks. Again to those who are wanting more face the facts and truth this game is going to start with everything needed to draw in the casual ST fan and there are probably more fans out there who know all of the lore who will still play it because the truth is most of what I constantly hear people pine over is considered a small part of ST lore.
Really ?? You think that in the two weeks they have left before open beta that they can fully flesh out the Klingons to a complete faction?
You can play Klingon at release and go kill your friends, family and Feddies. Sounds complete to me.
1. haha thats a good one. People paying 15 bucks a month would just love to have 24 hours of non xp. That will never happen, at least, not in the USA.
2. klingons fight each other all time trying to kill off other houses, that doesn't expand the empire either.
3. There is a queue system, which has been mentioned already, the only imbalance is going to be if you have to wait for hours to get into a battle. They have also stated that there are like 5 different queue systems that you can choose from and some of those don't involve fighting the federation at all. You want to talk about imbalance, lets talk about klingons being a pvp race only. How do you think those people who have had to spend all their time gaining ranks via PVP'ing, is going to do against the federation who spend most of their time doing PVE? They will slaughter the federation in PVP. Hows that for imbalance?
So what do the Klingons do while they wait on the Que? Hmmm? especially if they are behind the curve do to having a life and all and are stuck doing level 10 PvP when 'everyone' is doing higher level PvP.
How do they possibly advance?
1. haha thats a good one. People paying 15 bucks a month would just love to have 24 hours of non xp. That will never happen, at least, not in the USA.
2. klingons fight each other all time trying to kill off other houses, that doesn't expand the empire either.
3. There is a queue system, which has been mentioned already, the only imbalance is going to be if you have to wait for hours to get into a battle. They have also stated that there are like 5 different queue systems that you can choose from and some of those don't involve fighting the federation at all. You want to talk about imbalance, lets talk about klingons being a pvp race only. How do you think those people who have had to spend all their time gaining ranks via PVP'ing, is going to do against the federation who spend most of their time doing PVE? They will slaughter the federation in PVP. Hows that for imbalance?
So what do the Klingons do while they wait on the Que? Hmmm? especially if they are behind the curve do to having a life and all and are stuck doing level 10 PvP when 'everyone' is doing higher level PvP.
How do they possibly advance?
It has already been stated there is like 5 different queue systems. Who says they are waiting at all? One of the mission types is pve to.
1. haha thats a good one. People paying 15 bucks a month would just love to have 24 hours of non xp. That will never happen, at least, not in the USA.
2. klingons fight each other all time trying to kill off other houses, that doesn't expand the empire either.
3. There is a queue system, which has been mentioned already, the only imbalance is going to be if you have to wait for hours to get into a battle. They have also stated that there are like 5 different queue systems that you can choose from and some of those don't involve fighting the federation at all. You want to talk about imbalance, lets talk about klingons being a pvp race only. How do you think those people who have had to spend all their time gaining ranks via PVP'ing, is going to do against the federation who spend most of their time doing PVE? They will slaughter the federation in PVP. Hows that for imbalance?
So what do the Klingons do while they wait on the Que? Hmmm? especially if they are behind the curve do to having a life and all and are stuck doing level 10 PvP when 'everyone' is doing higher level PvP.
How do they possibly advance?
It has already been stated there is like 5 different queue systems. Who says they are waiting at all? One of the mission types is pve to.
A Que... is waiting. The fact that there is a Que implies there will be waiting. Just prey and hope it doesn't end up like CO's PvP que's lol. Long Long wait most the time now days.
Presumably the queues are seperate, meaning that if you queue for all of them, you'd only have to wait until the first one becomes available.
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
You can play Klingon at release and go kill your friends, family and Feddies. Sounds complete to me.
Oh please, don't be silly. That is hardly 'complete' unless you're talking about STO as a console action shooter ala-Halo. Which is a fine game but I wouldn't pay 15 bucks a month to keep playing it.
Virtually no PvE compared to the Federation side. You call that complete?
The problem with PvP content is that it requires other players to be online and interested in the same activity. Solo PvE does not.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Virtually no PvE compared to the Federation side. You call that complete?
The problem with PvP content is that it requires other players to be online and interested in the same activity. Solo PvE does not.
It's a single server game.
Klingons can fight Klingons.
You'd have to be the ONLY Klingon logged in to have any chance whatsoever of not finding someone to PvP with.
Well, assuming 1v1 is accommodated, that other Klingon would need to want to do 1v1 PvP (against another Klingon - even though the premise of the game is Federation vs Empire), and be a similar level as you.
With the Klingons being far less content-rich than the Federation, I suspect the game will lose a lot of Klingon players very fast.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Well, assuming 1v1 is accommodated, that other Klingon would need to want to do 1v1 PvP (against another Klingon - even though the premise of the game is Federation vs Empire), and be a similar level as you.
With the Klingons being far less content-rich than the Federation, I suspect the game will lose a lot of Klingon players very fast.
They don't have to be a similar level as you.
Klingons fighting Klingons is absolutely faithful to the IP, regardless of the game's premise.
Knowing that PvP is the primarily (if not only) method for character advancement, why on god's green earth would a Klingon player log in and NOT want to participate in *any* form of PvP available, even 1v1?
Seriously, whether you like Cryptic's design or not, implying that Klingons will be significantly disadvantaged due to reliance on multiplayer gameplay (in an MMO no less) is a bit of a stretch.
STO= another crappy ultra instanced co-op multyplayer online game with no world pvp, incomplete, costed 1 mil to make and will sell enough to all the fanboys to make 4 mil clean, only a couple of players will continue playing post week 1..but cryptic already has made the money they wanted...good for them..they are smart..making money at the expense of less inteligent consumers ftw