Congrats CCP !Proveing small companies does not mean small ideas.I might have to give it a second look .
"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing." Robert E. Howard, The Tower of the Elephant (1933)
This is the last straw. I now have lost all respect for anything that anyone from MMORPG.com has to say.
From your previous posts you show a burning "Opinion" against other "Opinions" yet have never shown fact or reason for it other than whining and 13 year old stand up phrases.
Its an Opinion, get over it. Eve is a full game that keeps expanding in the right direction with options that integrate those in their first year to those who started when it first launched. It's about as -complete- a game as anything else can strive to be without gimmicky add-ons and expansions that add characters/classes, alter storylines, add more themepark, balance all classes for PvP, and Tie up loose ends from previous games usually fueled by one time NPC "iconic characters." All Eve has been doing is listening to the people who play the game and adding logical -options- for a person to partake in their sandbox. Now if only they could do something about mission grinding and adjust the level difficulty in some of them... (Looking straight at you "When Worlds Collide") lol ;D ... and the lag from the new expansion. Looks like someone's gotta add more nodes to the server~
The community is also awesome. Mature, and they expect you to be mature and respectful... Silliness is also appreciated But thats a different story.
Originally posted by Gameloading I have not seen any indication that wow has actually lost subscribers. If they did, it happened in China as the game has been offline for months and switched to a new company..Either way, World of Warcrafts subscribtion numbers still dwarf those of EVE and pretty much every other mmorpg out there. Its great EVE releases an expansion every 6 month. Obviously those expansions come nowhere near the quality and content you get in a WoW expansion. You get what you pay for.
Do you have any indication it's the morning before your alarm goes off or you wake up?
WoW is a simple game to play. There're no penalties for death and, so, the game has many subscribers. My six year old was playing WoW with us, that's how simplified the game is. It's a matter of spamming the same few buttons over and over again. With every 'quality' expansion WoW is made simpler, to cater for an ever younger age group because it can't grow anymore. Growth isn't necessarily a bad thing, it's about maintaining your players.
But please, do tell us where WoW has changed so much that it's not the same game I quit. What have those quality expansions added to the game, other than more grind? Everyone is entitled to play the way they see fit but PVE to PVE to PVE isn't my kind of game.
Then there's the imbalance, it's not funny. And where have Blizzard updated the WoW engine? They haven't in years, it's the same old ugly mesh it has been since 2003. At least EVE, Aion and other MMO's have tried to update their engine to somewhat keep up with technology.
You're confusing simplicity with accessibility.
This one area where World of Warcraft shines and EVE fails miserably. Anybody can learn to play World of Warcraft because WoW does an excellent job of introducing new gameplay mechanics overtime. This way, World of Warcraft remains very accessible. If you let somebody who has never played an mmorpg before play a high level wow character, chances are they will be completely overwhelmed and clueless. That's because they didn't went through the cycle of creating a new characters and aren't introduced by the features step by step.
EVE however is very inaccessible, even to mmorpg veterans. After you create your character you have to go through an hour long tutorial, and even after that you're probably still clueless and overwhelmed, requiring a huge amount of dedication before you get the hang of it.
WoW isn't catering to an even younger audience with every new expansion. This doesn't make any sense, when a new player joins the game they first have to go through the old WoW. WoW has clearly done a good job at maintaining the players, A game can't grow if just as many or more people are leaving as there are joining.
I think the reason they haven't updated the engine is because, unlike EVE, WoW is a global success that appeals to many different kinds of people. A large amount of players are playing on older computers. Maybe they will do it one day, but I understand if they don't want to do it just yet.
I've browsed a bit of the threadnought here to gauge some of the reactions. Needless to say, most of the EVE community is pretty proud of the result.
No one, even EVE's most die-hard players, would make the claim that EVE is without problems. I haven't seen an MMO yet that didn't have it's fair share of forum whining, and EVE is no exception.
But despite that, we love this game. And the occasional issues (scamming, macroers, the odd exploit and CCP trying to blow up our computers from time to time. all pale in comparison to this world we've been given. For nearly 7 years now, this game has changed in ways that would make it nigh unrecgonizable to today.
It's really important to understand also just how different this game is from any other out there. The learning curve is notoriously immense, and if you're used to games like UO, WoW, or others, you'll find many of the skills you learned don't carry over well here. I certainly feel sympathic to new players who arn't sure of what do to, and quit after summing the game up as "mining" and "ratting".
It's certainly something both the developers and the players work to address. As someone who started once in a little n00b frigate with a pop gun and a mining laser, I'll give you this advice: Make friends. Talk to people. Be respectful, and don't be afraid to ask questions. But above all, make friends. Many of EVE's elite can point back to a time when they were lost and got help from someone who had been there longer (myself included!) and it made all the difference.
If you're looking to give EVE a try, (and you should!) feel free to drop me a line in-game, "Regat Kozovv", and let me know how you're doing. You have questions, want advice, or just want to know where to find an agent, ask away.
Man lol never seen so many people getting defensive over an online game. Some ya'll should change your avatars to a big warcraft peen with your hand shafting it. The vast amount of subscribers to a game is hardly a justification if the game is garbage, or a defense for thin skinned people who feel they have a lame obligation to defend a GAME like its some priceless relic that will change the face of humanity if something happens to it. What will happen when Diablo III/StarCraft 2 hit the shelves? well one can assume a chunk may migrate to DIII. Will WarCrap die? who knows who really cares?
Why would Wizard 101 even be on this list? You can't be serious.
I already told you,there is obvious bias here,i have seen it over the years,you would have to be blind to not see it.
Some of the staff here has an extreme bias towards CCP and a few others ,WIZ 101 has become the newest addition.If you remember a post from only about 2 months ago,they were talking about the best games to look forward to ,they mentioned 2 games by CCP and did not mention Schilling's game lmao,tell me that is not bias towards CCP?they even had FFXIV rated behind those games,so yes it is VERY obvious.This alone makes the EVE selection a TAINTED one and is not deserving of it.
When Warhammer had a lot of negative talk and was the big game on this site,they put out ban warnings,that you were not allowed to say anything about quitting the game or anything negative,we have seen this in how many other games?answer>>>NONE,tell me that is not showing bias here?
Honestly only common sense would tell anyone that a game that offers absolutely nothing to the female gender could NEVER be considered a BEST OF game.There is a reason females do not want to play a politically designed game,and that is because it is utter boring.SO you leave out half the human race and try to convince us that it belongs as a BEST OF game?please most of us have some shred of common sense.
This is not delegated to just MMOPRG,i have been on other sites that have top rated games that are utter trash games that belong on the 1/10 scale,so it is obvious there is more going on than LEGIT selections,none of these sites can be taken seriously.
I have seen a few acceptable and decent selection,but i fear it is only because they could not find a way to fit their biased choices into those categories.WIZ 101 for that matter ,takes a DISTANT back seat to FR,a game that does the exact same thing but offers MUCH more choices in game play and content,so how WIZ 101 could even get picked above FR is nonsense.No i am not a FR fanbois,i just use common sense when i look at things like this.
Then yo uhave Wiz 101 a game that outright lies about it's game to us the public.It tries to claim itself as a F2P game ,when in fact ,you can only play about 5% max of the content,unless you play,so that is big time lying.If they withheld 5% ,then maybe i could accept it as misleading and not outright lying,but in this case it is just KING ISLE being a liar.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
"follow up wow", ha , i thought best game is supposed to have these factors in mind :design quality, fun, popularity, continued progress and more , if wow still holds high in : quality , design , progress areas i think ppl should start playing some stand alone games , like freecel .
Just so you know: the "subscription numbers" for games like Minesweeper and Solitaire blow WoW's numbers right out of the water.
I think its important to offer an alternate view point regarding some key issues raised by others in this thread. RMT On the subject of RMT, yes, EVE has ISK farmers and sellers, and CCP does a good job fighting them on a daily basis. The war will never be won, but CCP does manage to keep them in check. Regarding their own sales of ISK, they don't do it. Players within the game can trade extra ISK that they've earned to other players for GTC's, which of course are purchased by others from CCP. This does make a profit for CCP, but does not introduce any new ISK into the economy. Real Time Skill Point Training I'm not going to lie, you either love this or hate it, normally directly related on how much free time you have to play MMORPG's. In my own case, I think its the greatest thing to ever come along, finally a mechanic that doesn't reward people just because they have more free time than me. I probably will never stop playing this game just because of this mechanic. As others have pointed out though, this does not mean that a person can never "catch" up and be competitive per sec. All ships and professions have a finite number of skills that affect them, and they all can be maximized in about a year or less. (Titans not included) The only advantage a long term veteran has is he (or she) will be able to fly a wider variety of ships or perform well in more professions, (exploration, mining, trading etc) A person does not need to excel in every ship or profession to enjoy playing EVE, though of course, in the first 6 months your choices will seem to be a bit limited. IMO, resets are not necessary (not that I've seen all that many games do them) and though I've only been playing 2.5 years now, I don't feel disadvantaged in any way to those who have played from beta. In fact, in my corp we have a number of beta players and I exceed them in total wealth and can fight better than them because they chose the way of the industrialist. (but boy can they build a great capital ship) Multiple Accounts Its true, I have three, so I guess people have them. I also had 5 DAOC accounts, 3 WOW accounts, and 3 Lineage 2 accounts. I'm a multi-boxer and enjoy playing this way. Do I need 3 accounts? No, as another person mentioned, you can work collectively with other players to accomplish what I do solo on my own. (I tend to be anti-social somewhat) But in the end, what is wrong if a game is so enjoyable that you want to purchase more than 1 account? I call it a bonus rather than view it negatively as others do. But a nice feature is that you can pay for your extra accounts by trading ISK for GTC's, something a new player won't do but right now I earn enough ISK in a single night's WH OP to purchase a months time. (and yes, WH's did add a lot to the game, from T3 ships to an excellent way for casual players to earn ISK hand over fist, which was another great bonus for me)
Well said.
I would like to add that you should not compare a nearly maxed EVE character ( you can't be fully maxed in everything ) with a single character in WoW, but with 10 different characters in WoW, all fully maxed level and crafting skill.
I never had 10 fully maxed chars, I only had 3, I think I will do better with EVE in this regard.
After 1 year you can be top dog in your field, after 2 years probably in 3 fields ( compare it to 3 fully maxed chars, with all crafting skills and all items you want ), also keep in mind diminishing returns, so in strength you may only lose 2% to some vet, while in time this translates to a few months.
For the trolls or flamers : the numbers used here are not accurate, but only to explain the general idea.
If you are interested in subscription or PCU numbers for MMORPG's, check out my site : http://mmodata.blogspot.be/ Favorite MMORPG's : DAoC pre ToA-NF, SWG Pre CU-NGE, EVE Online
Only one character skilling up at once. ---- yeah, because ccp wants you to hold a reputation for yourself, everything you do you get a rep for by other players, cant just do something and get away with it easily
Here’s where it gets tricky for fanboys and non-Eve players alike. It’s not necessarily so easy to understand at first.
I’m sorry if I am not explaining it well but, here goes…
You ‘skill’ up by a real time clock, you don’t get experience, you get skill points, by that clock.
The skill points run slowly, that’s key also. It’s slow, so you as a customer will have to pay for a looong time, to get anywhere. ---- At least its not like WoW, level 80 in a week, do everything and nothing new - yay, my 8 year old brother plays WoW, go have fun with your little kids
Ok, stick with me,… you could take one character and skill up abilities in all the various areas of gameplay, if you had decades to do it. You can max out all skills in all areas on one character, theoretically. But the clock runs so slowly that it’s just not the way the math works, you can’t do it all on one character in any reasonable amount of time. ---- So your saying people who have played for 5 years shouldnt have an advantage? the longer you play, the better you are, also, theres only three ways to go in this game, Manufacturing, Trading, Combat. now after you pick one of those, it gets even more specific, such as if you go combat, you can be a pvper, mission runner, explorer etc. usually everyone picks one and sticks with it, because for most people their either a pvper or their not, its thats simple.The biggest thing here also, if you could train for a capital ship (carrier or dreadnought) in a month, you wouldnt be able to afford it (Most likely unless you buy and sell gtcs), lets say you do that, you dont have the experience as a player to use it very well, youd lose it in stupid ways, but by all means go ahead and give us all a laugh.
Here’s another area where fanboys fail at math. They lie to themselves and other people about how long it takes to train various career paths, even though they daily stare right at the numbers. All you have to do is get out Evemon, an Eve mod, and make a bunch of skill plans, to see that it takes a looong time, to go down particular career paths. No, really it doesnt, it takes a long time to get perfect or near perfect yes, but even a week old player in a tech 1 frigate with a warp disruptor is useful in large fleets, sure they can solo very well yet but they can still do something. you can specialize in a HAC (tech 2 cruiser) in probably 5 months, cruiser level 5, tech 2 guns, tech 2 tank, and core skills to 4 or 5. ive been playing since late 05 and this is about where my cruiser skills are at, all that is probably around 5-6 months, but now you have tech 2 medium guns, which is on the same route to tech 2 large guns for battleships. and theres only 2 types of tank, armor and shield, once you get your armor skills up, its good for all armor ships. it takes a long long time to get GOOD/PERFECT skills, yes but it doesnt take a long time to get not useless. also, eve has a learning curve unlike any other game, eve is for the patient, smart people. WoW is for the bored, extremely young or stupid minded people.
So… it takes a long time to go down a career path, and you can only ‘skill up’ one character per account at a time, so if you want to follow a few different career paths without waiting half a decade, then ya, you get multiple accounts so that multiple characters are skilling up simultaneously. Fact is most people dont go down 2 roads, and yes an alt is helpful if you do.
It takes multiple accounts in Eve to simulate what people in other games do by making alts.
That’s not all…
Other game mechanics push you to have multiple accounts.
Faction warfare. Piracy. 0.0 end game coalition warfare. Rating. Mission running in Empire. Industry. People don’t just bounce between those and other activities on one character. People either buy a character, or skill others up on other accounts. lol they dont bounce? what are you talking about? i can bounce from being in 0.0 to go pirate in lowsec in just 1 jump clone. its thats simple. also, ratting isnt a carreer, its the equivalent to grinding in any other game for money. mission running is an alternative to ratting, most people do one or the other. faction warfare is just pvp like any other pvp, except its more for alts and newbs, and people trying to get faction stuff from the loyalty points. Industry people are completely different from the combat people 95% of the time, the other 5% suck it up and get another account( usually with a gtc, so no real life money is needed)
Your 0.0 Alliance has a call to arms for defending a POS. You gonna say you’re busy, you just wanna quit and play Faction Warfare for a day or two? NO. Then leave that alliance, thats the cool thing about eve, its player ran, not npc ran- meaning social. if your in an alliance and your space is under attack, why in the hell would you want to go do faction warfare over a possible 1500 man fight defending that POS? which btw, pos warfare is pretty much over with dominion. if your not into 1500 man fights, get a better computer, if your still not interested, go pirate.
You wanna help out as a member of Eve University to teach new players. Can you just hop over to faction warfare, or piracy, or 0.0 end game? NO, you have to stay ‘neutral’, sort of, so the Uni doesn’t become a target for everyone with a grudge. The Uni doesn’t allow any of those other activities while you’re a member. You realise eve university is player ran correct? and is 100% optional, are you that retarded?
You’re a pirate in low sec, but your carebear buddies from real life are running missions in high-sec, can you join them? Heck no, your sec status is too low from blowing up ‘innocents’. pirates in most cases are not friends with carebears, but if for some random reason you are, then run low-sec missions.
Talk about restrictions.
It all makes complete sense in Eve when you play it, but it all also adds up to multiple accounts.
Player based content in the ‘sandbox’ is NOT do as you like without limits, absolutely not. Characters in Eve have very strict limitations on where they can go and what they can do based on their sec status, their reputations, their history with various political coalitions, their skill/wallet profile.
You wonder if they actually play the game, or base their awards on press releases. I play it, and it's nowhere near game of the year material. The forum drama is more exciting than the gameplay, and players really do not impact the world as much as you think: most do mining or level 4 missions, which are about as dull PvE as you can get. Fallen Earth or even Darkfall has a better claim on the title just because they actually have decent gameplay, as opposed to a good press corp.
Congrats to CCP. I haven't played for some time, but it has only improved since then. It's definately the best mmo and in my opinion by a very large margin and I have a hard time seing someone creating a game with the same diversity.
You wonder if they actually play the game, or base their awards on press releases. I play it, and it's nowhere near game of the year material. The forum drama is more exciting than the gameplay, and players really do not impact the world as much as you think: most do mining or level 4 missions, which are about as dull PvE as you can get. Fallen Earth or even Darkfall has a better claim on the title just because they actually have decent gameplay, as opposed to a good press corp.
Then you are doing something wrong, and I say the game is everything they claim and so much more.
Different strokes for different folks I guess.
Besides, stop mining or running level 4 missions....... that's no way to play EVE.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Lost all respect for Mmorpg.com. good we dont like you Apparently they don’t really know Eve that well, they just accept whatever bs CCP uses so well to lure people in, or CCP just happened to pay them the most, or get their editors some hookers, who knows. ^^ you yourself dont know eve so stfu Choosing Eve is ridiculous. Coming from you, who cares? Sure Eve has some fantastic elements like fleet battles between hundreds of individuals, and a persistent large scale political landscape. Sure, players have essentially infinite inventory, putting other mmos inventory systems to shame. Yeah, you can find some wonderful, unique elements in the game, but… Great graphics, Unmatched pvp experience, unmatched player ran economy, best support, free expansions, best social game, amazing politics, capabilities to claim territory, run alliances with 3000 or more players, etc i can go on, there is nothing any other mmorpg has on eve other than being simpler than eve. The game is an old dog with no new tricks, a clunker, and financially a scam on its plays. Wormholes and t3 ships, titan/complete makeover of capital battles, black ops, new sov system, up-to-date non cartoonish graphics like WoW, etc etc The game is plagued with RMT (real money trade/ microtransactions), both through gold sellers and what’s allowed by and pushed by CCP itself. CCP Has actually implemented a very useful "Report ISK seller feature" also, every MMO has RMT issues, dont pretend they dont. also, some people wouldnt be able to play the game without gtc's, or be able to play free because they are the smart ones making lots of in-game money. not to mention also that gtc's are 100% optional to buy, their more expensive than a normal subscription, because you can activate trial accounts with them. also not to mention personally, i would rather see the money spent for in-game money go to ccp than some chinese guy, thats just me though. There is no experience grind in Eve, because ‘skilling’ occurs on a real time clock the same for everyone, regardless of effort, regardless of talent, regardless of dedication, regardless of time online. It takes alot of practice to get good at the pvp aspect of eve, or just generally playing it, how far to be from your enemy, when to hit the cap booster, when to overload, when and where to warp in at, the knowledge of how to fit your ship. also theres other ways of making ISK (Money) other than ratting(grinding). such as trading, scamming(is allowed), manufacturing, plexing, wormholing, mission running, mercenary work, mining etc. That’s NOT to help players by eliminating grind, no, that was genius to make advancement so sloooooow that everyone, even diehard 24/7 players, would take years of paying subscriptions to mature characters (unless they buy characters on CCP’s website). Theres also implants to help decrease your training time, which you get by grinding for ISK or grinding for LP (Loyalty Points) mission running and getting those implants. The characters on CCP's website are characters being sold by the players, again, would rather see a 20$ transaction fee, (which is the same for most other mmos for account switching) go to ccp, than someone getting scammed for 500 or so dollars to a chinese guy. There is a grind; it’s just not an experience grind. Gold (isk) accumulation, is the grind, and anyone with a credit card can get that gold(isk) or get advanced characters with CCP’s blessing as long as CCP gets their piece of the transaction (through the GTC, game time card, scam).
(To Eve players scratching their heads. What’s the GTC scam? A year’s subscription, if paid for by GTCs, costs around 80 dollars more than a sub paid for a year in advance by cc or other real life money means. That is CCP’s cut, that’s why they push using GTCs so hard. Again, would MUCH rather see the money go to ccp to improve the servers, and CCP's staff well deserved paycheck. Every veteran with multiple accounts using GTCs is drawing in 80 dollars per year per account more than the cheapest cc subscription plan usual in all mmorpgs including Eve. That’s HUGE money CCP is picking from player pockets under the guise of a ‘service’ to players by providing those GTCs.) Actually, 15 dollars a month is pretty standard for every mmorpg, so unsure of what your saying here. The game expansions aren’t anything like usual mmo expansions, they’re patches at best. No, they are expansions. Apocrypha for example, added wormholes, like another mmo such as WoW adds another wonderful candyland place to die happily, summon a corpse and start back up with little to no loss, or some small repair bill, eve is more realistic you lose your ship and its fittings, some of whihc survive in a wreck to the first person to get to it. These expansions add ships and content, like WoW adds characters and land to explore.
bottom line is, eve far surpasses any other MMORPG and there is no other MMORPG even close to it, especially regarding PvP. Ive watched my 8 year old brother (lol) play WoW with his level 80 something go pvp against another guy, and all it is, is click a spell and someone dies in under 10 seconds. also, EVE isn't filled with 8 year olds, WoW- is.
Its sad that those that disagree are Jaded or haven't played in a long time or never got farther than the Trial (which is restrictive to most of the real meat of the game...Unless you happen to be Capt Awesome Frigate Exploration Tackler Man.) or just internet WoW asswipes bred on press F1, F5 and then F6 to win and swinging their E-peen till their keyboard breaks or their mother tells them to go to bed. Darkfall still has a long way to go, hyping it will do the exact opposite then helping. It will be a good game...In the future when its current downfalls are addressed and the community wisens up...before it turns into another WoW community. Heaven forbid. It still has a very long way to go to reach its full potential.
Have you seen the new Tutorials? Have you seen the new planets? Have you gone out into 0.0 space and tried out the new options for exploration and corporation warfare? Anything beyond mining and high Security? How about tried a corporation or simply being with a group of friends and coordination a mining job or a strike on people alone in space? (you assholes do it on Darkfall all the time with 90% less skill ) So many incorrectly opinionated arguments and whining, and all/most of them are wrong or horribly incorrect.
congrats to EVE, i've known the game for a while but only recently started playing due to the sub fee. But i have to say, after playing for about 4 months now, the 14.95 a month is well worth it.
even though it is launched in 2003, it is still, in my opinion, one of the best looking games out there, thanks for CCP constanty keeping the game up to par with the new games, and most of the new games that came out there year doesn't look anywhere near as good. and the new planet graphics is just amazing..
anywho, there is a minor thing that bugs me in the article though, the new ships that came out with Apocrypha, are not Tier 3 ships, they are Tech 3 ships... i'm just sayin'
congrats again to EVE and CCP and i am proud to be a capsuleer!
DavidLemke, play the game before you talk, you just sound like someone who reads CCP's forums for all the complains. sure there are bad things about the game, there are bad things about every game and everything in life, that's life, not CCP's fault.
btw the thing you complained about how you can't do a lot of stuff at a click of a button? that's what makes EVE unique, you have to plan out what you wan to do with your character, they give you a tast of everything since most entry level skills only takes minutes or just a few hours to train. it's not about how you just wake up one day and decide you gonna start manufacturing battleships for a living now, it's about you deciding to do something and stick to it, it's more serious than other MMOs i guess, but so is everything else in EVE.
oh about T3 and wormholes, i do WH all the time, in fact, my corp lives in wormhole. T3 ships? my main ship is T3, and i see some T3 pilots out there, and i know quite a few people who drives T3 ships, so i have no idea what you talking about.
As a EVE player since its release, I feel somehow proud about the staff at MMORPG.com selecting the game, which has been my hobby for the last many years, as the best. I feel even more happy, when I see the same recognition of quality from people who can see beyond their own personal taste.
I feel a bit sad too though. Because I know EVE is far from perfect and I would very much like to try another MMO. But what to choose when you are already playing the best?
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Grats to CCP, its always nice to see a company that has stuck to their product and evolved for this long in such a competitive market.
Congrats CCP !Proveing small companies does not mean small ideas.I might have to give it a second look .
"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing." Robert E. Howard, The Tower of the Elephant (1933)
This is the last straw. I now have lost all respect for anything that anyone from MMORPG.com has to say.
From your previous posts you show a burning "Opinion" against other "Opinions" yet have never shown fact or reason for it other than whining and 13 year old stand up phrases.
Its an Opinion, get over it. Eve is a full game that keeps expanding in the right direction with options that integrate those in their first year to those who started when it first launched. It's about as -complete- a game as anything else can strive to be without gimmicky add-ons and expansions that add characters/classes, alter storylines, add more themepark, balance all classes for PvP, and Tie up loose ends from previous games usually fueled by one time NPC "iconic characters." All Eve has been doing is listening to the people who play the game and adding logical -options- for a person to partake in their sandbox. Now if only they could do something about mission grinding and adjust the level difficulty in some of them... (Looking straight at you "When Worlds Collide") lol ;D ... and the lag from the new expansion. Looks like someone's gotta add more nodes to the server~
The community is also awesome. Mature, and they expect you to be mature and respectful... Silliness is also appreciated
But thats a different story.
Never played the game as I'm not very fond of playing a ship...
Although congratz for EvE it's nice to see a studio that tries to listen to his customer's base being rewarded.
i played Eve for bout 1 year and then simply lost interest in it tbh ...but if one game deserves it its Eve
Do you have any indication it's the morning before your alarm goes off or you wake up?
WoW is a simple game to play. There're no penalties for death and, so, the game has many subscribers. My six year old was playing WoW with us, that's how simplified the game is. It's a matter of spamming the same few buttons over and over again. With every 'quality' expansion WoW is made simpler, to cater for an ever younger age group because it can't grow anymore. Growth isn't necessarily a bad thing, it's about maintaining your players.
But please, do tell us where WoW has changed so much that it's not the same game I quit. What have those quality expansions added to the game, other than more grind? Everyone is entitled to play the way they see fit but PVE to PVE to PVE isn't my kind of game.
Then there's the imbalance, it's not funny. And where have Blizzard updated the WoW engine? They haven't in years, it's the same old ugly mesh it has been since 2003. At least EVE, Aion and other MMO's have tried to update their engine to somewhat keep up with technology.
You're confusing simplicity with accessibility.
This one area where World of Warcraft shines and EVE fails miserably. Anybody can learn to play World of Warcraft because WoW does an excellent job of introducing new gameplay mechanics overtime. This way, World of Warcraft remains very accessible. If you let somebody who has never played an mmorpg before play a high level wow character, chances are they will be completely overwhelmed and clueless. That's because they didn't went through the cycle of creating a new characters and aren't introduced by the features step by step.
EVE however is very inaccessible, even to mmorpg veterans. After you create your character you have to go through an hour long tutorial, and even after that you're probably still clueless and overwhelmed, requiring a huge amount of dedication before you get the hang of it.
WoW isn't catering to an even younger audience with every new expansion. This doesn't make any sense, when a new player joins the game they first have to go through the old WoW. WoW has clearly done a good job at maintaining the players, A game can't grow if just as many or more people are leaving as there are joining.
I think the reason they haven't updated the engine is because, unlike EVE, WoW is a global success that appeals to many different kinds of people. A large amount of players are playing on older computers. Maybe they will do it one day, but I understand if they don't want to do it just yet.
I've browsed a bit of the threadnought here to gauge some of the reactions. Needless to say, most of the EVE community is pretty proud of the result.
No one, even EVE's most die-hard players, would make the claim that EVE is without problems. I haven't seen an MMO yet that didn't have it's fair share of forum whining, and EVE is no exception.
But despite that, we love this game. And the occasional issues (scamming, macroers, the odd exploit and CCP trying to blow up our computers from time to time.
all pale in comparison to this world we've been given. For nearly 7 years now, this game has changed in ways that would make it nigh unrecgonizable to today.
It's really important to understand also just how different this game is from any other out there. The learning curve is notoriously immense, and if you're used to games like UO, WoW, or others, you'll find many of the skills you learned don't carry over well here. I certainly feel sympathic to new players who arn't sure of what do to, and quit after summing the game up as "mining" and "ratting".
It's certainly something both the developers and the players work to address. As someone who started once in a little n00b frigate with a pop gun and a mining laser, I'll give you this advice: Make friends. Talk to people. Be respectful, and don't be afraid to ask questions. But above all, make friends. Many of EVE's elite can point back to a time when they were lost and got help from someone who had been there longer (myself included!) and it made all the difference.
If you're looking to give EVE a try, (and you should!) feel free to drop me a line in-game, "Regat Kozovv", and let me know how you're doing. You have questions, want advice, or just want to know where to find an agent, ask away.
Till then, fly safe!
Man lol never seen so many people getting defensive over an online game. Some ya'll should change your avatars to a big warcraft peen with your hand shafting it. The vast amount of subscribers to a game is hardly a justification if the game is garbage, or a defense for thin skinned people who feel they have a lame obligation to defend a GAME like its some priceless relic that will change the face of humanity if something happens to it. What will happen when Diablo III/StarCraft 2 hit the shelves? well one can assume a chunk may migrate to DIII. Will WarCrap die? who knows who really cares?
I already told you,there is obvious bias here,i have seen it over the years,you would have to be blind to not see it.
Some of the staff here has an extreme bias towards CCP and a few others ,WIZ 101 has become the newest addition.If you remember a post from only about 2 months ago,they were talking about the best games to look forward to ,they mentioned 2 games by CCP and did not mention Schilling's game lmao,tell me that is not bias towards CCP?they even had FFXIV rated behind those games,so yes it is VERY obvious.This alone makes the EVE selection a TAINTED one and is not deserving of it.
When Warhammer had a lot of negative talk and was the big game on this site,they put out ban warnings,that you were not allowed to say anything about quitting the game or anything negative,we have seen this in how many other games?answer>>>NONE,tell me that is not showing bias here?
Honestly only common sense would tell anyone that a game that offers absolutely nothing to the female gender could NEVER be considered a BEST OF game.There is a reason females do not want to play a politically designed game,and that is because it is utter boring.SO you leave out half the human race and try to convince us that it belongs as a BEST OF game?please most of us have some shred of common sense.
This is not delegated to just MMOPRG,i have been on other sites that have top rated games that are utter trash games that belong on the 1/10 scale,so it is obvious there is more going on than LEGIT selections,none of these sites can be taken seriously.
I have seen a few acceptable and decent selection,but i fear it is only because they could not find a way to fit their biased choices into those categories.WIZ 101 for that matter ,takes a DISTANT back seat to FR,a game that does the exact same thing but offers MUCH more choices in game play and content,so how WIZ 101 could even get picked above FR is nonsense.No i am not a FR fanbois,i just use common sense when i look at things like this.
Then yo uhave Wiz 101 a game that outright lies about it's game to us the public.It tries to claim itself as a F2P game ,when in fact ,you can only play about 5% max of the content,unless you play,so that is big time lying.If they withheld 5% ,then maybe i could accept it as misleading and not outright lying,but in this case it is just KING ISLE being a liar.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
That's for sure!
Just so you know: the "subscription numbers" for games like Minesweeper and Solitaire blow WoW's numbers right out of the water.
Well said.
I would like to add that you should not compare a nearly maxed EVE character ( you can't be fully maxed in everything ) with a single character in WoW, but with 10 different characters in WoW, all fully maxed level and crafting skill.
I never had 10 fully maxed chars, I only had 3, I think I will do better with EVE in this regard.
After 1 year you can be top dog in your field, after 2 years probably in 3 fields ( compare it to 3 fully maxed chars, with all crafting skills and all items you want ), also keep in mind diminishing returns, so in strength you may only lose 2% to some vet, while in time this translates to a few months.
For the trolls or flamers : the numbers used here are not accurate, but only to explain the general idea.
If you are interested in subscription or PCU numbers for MMORPG's, check out my site :
http://mmodata.blogspot.be/
Favorite MMORPG's : DAoC pre ToA-NF, SWG Pre CU-NGE, EVE Online
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You wonder if they actually play the game, or base their awards on press releases. I play it, and it's nowhere near game of the year material. The forum drama is more exciting than the gameplay, and players really do not impact the world as much as you think: most do mining or level 4 missions, which are about as dull PvE as you can get. Fallen Earth or even Darkfall has a better claim on the title just because they actually have decent gameplay, as opposed to a good press corp.
Congrats to CCP. I haven't played for some time, but it has only improved since then. It's definately the best mmo and in my opinion by a very large margin and I have a hard time seing someone creating a game with the same diversity.
I believe the game of the year is based on everything.
Not just the PvE
but ok lets leave out eves absolute dominance in MMO pvp
Players dont impact the game? wtf - look at the sov map, look at the market, those ships and mods arent built from thin air.
retard
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Then you are doing something wrong, and I say the game is everything they claim and so much more.
Different strokes for different folks I guess.
Besides, stop mining or running level 4 missions....... that's no way to play EVE.
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Its sad that those that disagree are Jaded or haven't played in a long time or never got farther than the Trial (which is restrictive to most of the real meat of the game...Unless you happen to be Capt Awesome Frigate Exploration Tackler Man.) or just internet WoW asswipes bred on press F1, F5 and then F6 to win and swinging their E-peen till their keyboard breaks or their mother tells them to go to bed. Darkfall still has a long way to go, hyping it will do the exact opposite then helping. It will be a good game...In the future when its current downfalls are addressed and the community wisens up...before it turns into another WoW community. Heaven forbid. It still has a very long way to go to reach its full potential.
Have you seen the new Tutorials? Have you seen the new planets? Have you gone out into 0.0 space and tried out the new options for exploration and corporation warfare? Anything beyond mining and high Security? How about tried a corporation or simply being with a group of friends and coordination a mining job or a strike on people alone in space? (you assholes do it on Darkfall all the time with 90% less skill
) So many incorrectly opinionated arguments and whining, and all/most of them are wrong or horribly incorrect.
It's depressing. (In-Before-Welcome-To-The-Internet)
Gratz CCP!
I don't play it atm but did and loved.
For a niche game, it certainly has made some good improvements all round and deserve a cudos here and there.
Keep up the great work!
congrats to EVE, i've known the game for a while but only recently started playing due to the sub fee. But i have to say, after playing for about 4 months now, the 14.95 a month is well worth it.
even though it is launched in 2003, it is still, in my opinion, one of the best looking games out there, thanks for CCP constanty keeping the game up to par with the new games, and most of the new games that came out there year doesn't look anywhere near as good. and the new planet graphics is just amazing..
anywho, there is a minor thing that bugs me in the article though, the new ships that came out with Apocrypha, are not Tier 3 ships, they are Tech 3 ships... i'm just sayin'
congrats again to EVE and CCP and i am proud to be a capsuleer!
DavidLemke, play the game before you talk, you just sound like someone who reads CCP's forums for all the complains. sure there are bad things about the game, there are bad things about every game and everything in life, that's life, not CCP's fault.
btw the thing you complained about how you can't do a lot of stuff at a click of a button? that's what makes EVE unique, you have to plan out what you wan to do with your character, they give you a tast of everything since most entry level skills only takes minutes or just a few hours to train. it's not about how you just wake up one day and decide you gonna start manufacturing battleships for a living now, it's about you deciding to do something and stick to it, it's more serious than other MMOs i guess, but so is everything else in EVE.
oh about T3 and wormholes, i do WH all the time, in fact, my corp lives in wormhole. T3 ships? my main ship is T3, and i see some T3 pilots out there, and i know quite a few people who drives T3 ships, so i have no idea what you talking about.
like i said, play the game before you talk.
Eve Profession Listings:
Mission Running/Plexing
Ratting
Mining
Hauling
Production
Research
Exploration
Piracy
High Sec Piracy
-canflipping
-suicide ganking
Ninja Salvaging
Solo Infiltration(asset theft)
Corporate Infiltration/Espionage(information selling/asset theft)
Covops scouting for corporations
Drug Smuggling
0.0 warfare/territory holding
Mercenary work for corporations
Extended stay in W-space via a POS
Renting/selling of corporate assets
-Jump Clones
-POS research facilities
Margin Trading
Investment
Speculation
Scamming
Factional Warfare
Any other questions?
As a EVE player since its release, I feel somehow proud about the staff at MMORPG.com selecting the game, which has been my hobby for the last many years, as the best. I feel even more happy, when I see the same recognition of quality from people who can see beyond their own personal taste.
I feel a bit sad too though. Because I know EVE is far from perfect and I would very much like to try another MMO. But what to choose when you are already playing the best?