IS that true? I have always considered myself a Star Trek Fan. Do i goto conventions no, but i still goto every movie at launch and have been a fan of every TV series that i had time to watch. The die hard trekkies honestly i thought were the ones defending this game. I have heard more complaints about realism, gameplay and bugs versus weather it felt like star trek.
Nirrtix ALPHAs: -Pantheon -Shroud of the Avatar -Camelot Unchained BETAs: -World of Warcraft -City of Heroes -Star Wars Galaxies -Saga of Ryzom -Homeworld -Starcraft II -Warcraft III -Hearthstone -Star Wars The Old Republic -Vanguard Saga of Heroes
Really, you speak for all trekkies then? You seem like a very intuitive individual, care to share what I'm thinking right now? You seem to know so much about me, as you know exactly why I like the game, hmm.. Get out of my brain!
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
...and of course you have the numbers and proof to back that?
You are the spokes person for every Trekkie and the "mmo fanbois that is hardly into Star Trek"?
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
For a Star Trek game not to be open space which surely it should be, but instances it fails there, I joined and commented cos of Vanguard, what you saw you could travel to. Its space, surely give us space, I have heard nothing but bad stuff about this game lately, which makes me sad cos was looking forward to it, Its Star Trek and im a nerd but the more I hear the more I think nope :( *Major sadness*
Hey just joined to post in this forum because of the vanguard and sto linking going on here
I joined Vanguard at launch and it techincally was a terrible launch. I kept crashing every 20 mins, but i kept with it for 6 months because i found it lots of fun, then left and didnt go back, which is a shame cos as someone else posted the potential on that game was alot i thought, but launch can kill aswell make live. So my question is to the people comparing it to Vanguard is that just it keeps crashing all the time or is there something else ? Long travel times ? Unfinished quests ? Think those are the only things i can think of that were truely bad with Vanguard Im interested in STO but i did buy CO so ho hum Rev P.S. And to follow up Nirrtix bad rep on bad launch, i agree, Age of Conan had same terrible launch and now its a fun game
Well I am not saying they cannot fix it if they screw it up, but if they screw up the launch, many will cancel their preorders. For instance Hellgate London I had preordered and was in the beta for it. IT was ok and the hype was it was made by many who made Diablo. But after awhile it got extremly repetative and near release it still had so many serious bugs and lag issues i cancelled my preorder. After that i never thought of the game again.
Sure some people gave the game a second chance, but they would have had alot more luck if they had done it right the first time. That is why i say doing it bad at launch give you a really bad reputation.
This is what will probably happen if they rush this game.
Nirrtix ALPHAs: -Pantheon -Shroud of the Avatar -Camelot Unchained BETAs: -World of Warcraft -City of Heroes -Star Wars Galaxies -Saga of Ryzom -Homeworld -Starcraft II -Warcraft III -Hearthstone -Star Wars The Old Republic -Vanguard Saga of Heroes
uh.... most of the trekkies i know that are in beta cant get over how cool the game is and how well cryptic has captured the ST universe....
is everything exactly as it should be? no.... but seriously, there isnt a developer out there that could make a star trek game that is 100% faithful to the series. it is not possible, and it will never exist.
star trek fans really like this game. trolls like you dont. go troll somewhere else and spread your untrue, ludicrous propaganda elsewhere.
aside from that, there are still a LOT of bugs to be worked out, and i personally think the game needs another 3 months of beta before release.... but that isnt going to happen, and release is set in stone at this point. as long as the lag issues are worked out, this game will be completely playable at release. there will be some minor annoyances though.
For a Star Trek game not to be open space which surely it should be, but instances it fails there, I joined and commented cos of Vanguard, what you saw you could travel to. Its space, surely give us space, I have heard nothing but bad stuff about this game lately, which makes me sad cos was looking forward to it, Its Star Trek and im a nerd but the more I hear the more I think nope :( *Major sadness*
Rev
I agree. I am a star trek fan. I am not die hard, but it being star trek was my drive to play it.
Nirrtix ALPHAs: -Pantheon -Shroud of the Avatar -Camelot Unchained BETAs: -World of Warcraft -City of Heroes -Star Wars Galaxies -Saga of Ryzom -Homeworld -Starcraft II -Warcraft III -Hearthstone -Star Wars The Old Republic -Vanguard Saga of Heroes
For a Star Trek game not to be open space which surely it should be, but instances it fails there, I joined and commented cos of Vanguard, what you saw you could travel to. Its space, surely give us space, I have heard nothing but bad stuff about this game lately, which makes me sad cos was looking forward to it, Its Star Trek and im a nerd but the more I hear the more I think nope :( *Major sadness*
Rev
I agree. I am a star trek fan. I am not die hard, but it being star trek was my drive to play it.
Same on me. I like the star trek show and movies, i also like SciFi and MMORPG and i really LOVE space ship games,
even if this genre is starving. Thats why i tried to get into closed beta and i did. So i know what this game is.
I don't think you all understand just how big and empty space really is. There isn't stuff that just floats around space. Sure there are a FEW asteroids that float around but most are within a gravitational field and travel very specific locations. Traveling through empty space would be BORING, mind numbing in fact. That's why they built holodecks because it gave them something to do besides look out at empty space.
I like how STO is set up. I actually think traveling in sector space is TOO long. If they have instances then allow us to travel fast. I want to jump from one point to the next since you are making every battle and mission be instanced, but then that would make the game too short. But you can select a location and have it auto-pilot you there which is nice because then I can go to the restroom or get something to eat or drink.
The only thing I think STO is missing is a "orbit" command so that you can orbit a ship during battle instead of having to pilot it with the behind view the entire time.
Hey Warlord just looked through thread and could see past post of you explaining game, like I said want to love this game, Ive not beta played it, of course Beta can and always option be changed, what are your thoughts on this game, from Hello my first play into another mmo type thing, if dont mind saying ?
First off, can people not form opinions for themselves? go to gamestop. put 5 dollars down on the game, get your beta key and form your own damn opinion.. instead of trying to deduct one from these stupid rantings on BOTH sides..... jesus, its only 5 dollars you can't even get a big mac for that cheep.
grow up children, form an opinion for yourselves.... instead of listening to fanbois, and trolls bicker like school girls.
btw, i personally like the game. but... that's because i like star trek, and it happens to capture the ST universe well, the zoning is messed up, but all things can change in time... just look at vanguard now... AND Age of Conan....
100% agree Nirrtix , the launch ( first 1-2 months is everything now )
REv
I definatly will keep an eye on the game and see how it goes. I can live with some things if they are not changed. Like one person earlier said its hard to appease everyone. But if it was released as it now i will not pay 49.99 for it. I will check up near the end of BETA and see what its like. I will also give it another go if they have a free trial in the near future. They claim they plan on adding a HUGE content patch but they do not elaborate what is in it.
Nirrtix ALPHAs: -Pantheon -Shroud of the Avatar -Camelot Unchained BETAs: -World of Warcraft -City of Heroes -Star Wars Galaxies -Saga of Ryzom -Homeworld -Starcraft II -Warcraft III -Hearthstone -Star Wars The Old Republic -Vanguard Saga of Heroes
True STO has much to do to make it work but they have a great base to begin, unlike eve you say risk and reward haha, the only risk is solo pilots and being ganked by a group of children .. also shields.. shields form a shell around your ship eve the shields let all damage pass through lets call it extra armor in STO the shields really work also lets talk real hard core i was in a fight with a battleship took three times to get it right and win, but like in RL i was to close and when it blow it took me with it.. eve is ok but has to many ganking children and the fake open world those stargates are just zone lines people . the truth is all games have problems but lets tell the truth eve in far from a great game and same with STO but there is hope,,,
First off, can people not form opinions for themselves? go to gamestop. put 5 dollars down on the game, get your beta key and form your own damn opinion.. instead of trying to deduct one from these stupid rantings on BOTH sides..... jesus, its only 5 dollars you can't even get a big mac for that cheep.
grow up children, form an opinion for yourselves.... instead of listening to fanbois, and trolls bicker like school girls.
btw, i personally like the game. but... that's because i like star trek, and it happens to capture the ST universe well, the zoning is messed up, but all things can change in time... just look at vanguard now... AND Age of Conan....
later, Nadriell
Nadriell first off a big mac costs less than $5 last i checked. That is unless you live in some place where the tax is outrageous.
Vangaurd is doing better but its still not that great. Conan i honestly avoided like a plague becuase of what happened with it.
I never siad it didnt capture the star trek universe. The only few gripes i have as far as that goes is they need to have more ship customizations for each ship type and more race options. That is not saying that they are so insufficient i would complain or not buy the game becuase of it. My gripe is gameplay, content, and implementation.
FYI i am neither a fanboi or a school girl troll. I am agamer who does not want to pay 49.99 for a game that is made sloppily.
Nirrtix ALPHAs: -Pantheon -Shroud of the Avatar -Camelot Unchained BETAs: -World of Warcraft -City of Heroes -Star Wars Galaxies -Saga of Ryzom -Homeworld -Starcraft II -Warcraft III -Hearthstone -Star Wars The Old Republic -Vanguard Saga of Heroes
I'm just tired of MMo's NOT BEING FINISHED at launch and expecting us to pay for a game while they finish it. some times its a game that was launched a year to early like Age of Conan. If that game had a do over and was launched now the game would have a lot better name for its self. War Hammer is another game launched to early.
I am really liking STO right now. I will be playing this game at launch so im not a hater.
Klingons are pissing me off. They through in the Klingons. They are trying to cover up the fact that they have no content made yet, and are trying to pawn off this PVP only idea on us. This is a example of STO repeating the mistakes of older games. All they have to do is tell us the truth.I bet most of the gamers will understand and wait till the game is finished. Most gamers would rather have a game finished then a game that suxs becouse its not done.
But that is the problem when a MMO lets the penny pushers take control of a games.
is that with our without fries and a drink.... the fries help mop up the greese from the big mac, and the drink washes it all down = more then 5$
if you don't want the damn game, don't buy it.. but putting troll food on the forums is bad... just look at what you've caused.... they'll kill each other, you know that right?
True STO has much to do to make it work but they have a great base to begin, unlike eve you say risk and reward haha, the only risk is solo pilots and being ganked by a group of children .. also shields.. shields form a shell around your ship eve the shields let all damage pass through lets call it extra armor in STO the shields really work also lets talk real hard core i was in a fight with a battleship took three times to get it right and win, but like in RL i was to close and when it blow it took me with it.. eve is ok but has to many ganking children and the fake open world those stargates are just zone lines people . the truth is all games have problems but lets tell the truth eve in far from a great game and same with STO but there is hope,,,
WEll frankly i never said EVE was great or perfect. EVE was ok but let me down in there is no control of ships other than ordering it to kill blah with blah weapons. I was saying there were things eve did right. As for the Stargates being zonelines. sure they were, but they looked more realistic than what they have in STO. In fact the world in STO is so small why not have no zone lines?Sector space as i have said is a lame lazy way to have done it. Sure it still feels like star trek, but it does not feel like you are flying through space.
Nirrtix ALPHAs: -Pantheon -Shroud of the Avatar -Camelot Unchained BETAs: -World of Warcraft -City of Heroes -Star Wars Galaxies -Saga of Ryzom -Homeworld -Starcraft II -Warcraft III -Hearthstone -Star Wars The Old Republic -Vanguard Saga of Heroes
is that with our without fries and a drink.... the fries help mop up the greese from the big mac, and the drink washes it all down = more then 5$
if you don't want the damn game, don't buy it.. but putting troll food on the forums is bad... just look at what you've caused.... they'll kill each other, you know that right?
but you did not mention the fires and drink. By the way i was able to get a Big Mac meal in Thailand for $2.50 supersized even.
As for the forum I am discussing the game. It is not my fault if some trolls join in. Ignore them like i do. MAybe its best if they do kill each other, less trolls = good.
Nirrtix ALPHAs: -Pantheon -Shroud of the Avatar -Camelot Unchained BETAs: -World of Warcraft -City of Heroes -Star Wars Galaxies -Saga of Ryzom -Homeworld -Starcraft II -Warcraft III -Hearthstone -Star Wars The Old Republic -Vanguard Saga of Heroes
WEll frankly i never said EVE was great or perfect. EVE was ok but let me down in there is no control of ships other than ordering it to kill blah with blah weapons.
Surely you can control your ship in battles, turn to port or starboard type ?
With threads being closed down on this forum for being either useless trolls or self seeking attention posts,I really have to ask why this 1 is being allowed to continue.
Started as a troll thread and has went down hill since then.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
I'm just tired of MMo's NOT BEING FINISHED at launch and expecting us to pay for a game while they finish it. some times its a game that was launched a year to early like Age of Conan. If that game had a do over and was launched now the game would have a lot better name for its self. War Hammer is another game launched to early. I am really liking STO right now. I will be playing this game at launch so im not a hater. Klingons are pissing me off. They through in the Klingons. They are trying to cover up the fact that they have no content made yet, and are trying to pawn off this PVP only idea on us. This is a example of STO repeating the mistakes of older games. All they have to do is tell us the truth.I bet most of the gamers will understand and wait till the game is finished. Most gamers would rather have a game finished then a game that suxs becouse its not done. But that is the problem when a MMO lets the penny pushers take control of a games.
I was impressed with the game after playing a Klingon was what pissed me off. Some are saying 30 to 45 days after launch they are adding the content. What the heck?!?!?! I was looking forward to playing a Klingon. Also having to play a Federation toon for 6 levels (it takes longer to get to 6 than you think) and spending hours on that toon to make your Klingon. Then you get to the Klingon area and there is no content.
Nirrtix ALPHAs: -Pantheon -Shroud of the Avatar -Camelot Unchained BETAs: -World of Warcraft -City of Heroes -Star Wars Galaxies -Saga of Ryzom -Homeworld -Starcraft II -Warcraft III -Hearthstone -Star Wars The Old Republic -Vanguard Saga of Heroes
ok...more race options...im not a trekie so i cant tell but it seems like there are tons of races to choose from and you can even make your own with its own bonuses. i like the game compared to eve for 1 major thing...its fun. i dont have to take an online tutorial to figure out the menus (btw i did figure them it without them...if only i knew). Also, ship combat is still player skill based to a good degree. Yes...stupid people will still die, myself included sometimes. Ground combat need some work and the engine has some memory leaks i think but for what they are allowing us to play i have played a lot worse (not including AoC). I still wish they had more ship options though.
With threads being closed down on this forum for being either useless trolls or self seeking attention posts,I really have to ask why this 1 is being allowed to continue. Started as a troll thread and has went down hill since then.
daylight i am not a troll is why. Secondly We are discussing the game and our concerns about it.
I told you before i plan on buying the game if they fix to where its not a sloppy piece of crap.
Nirrtix ALPHAs: -Pantheon -Shroud of the Avatar -Camelot Unchained BETAs: -World of Warcraft -City of Heroes -Star Wars Galaxies -Saga of Ryzom -Homeworld -Starcraft II -Warcraft III -Hearthstone -Star Wars The Old Republic -Vanguard Saga of Heroes
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IS that true? I have always considered myself a Star Trek Fan. Do i goto conventions no, but i still goto every movie at launch and have been a fan of every TV series that i had time to watch. The die hard trekkies honestly i thought were the ones defending this game. I have heard more complaints about realism, gameplay and bugs versus weather it felt like star trek.
Nirrtix
ALPHAs:
-Pantheon
-Shroud of the Avatar
-Camelot Unchained
BETAs:
-World of Warcraft
-City of Heroes
-Star Wars Galaxies
-Saga of Ryzom
-Homeworld
-Starcraft II
-Warcraft III
-Hearthstone
-Star Wars The Old Republic
-Vanguard Saga of Heroes
Really, you speak for all trekkies then? You seem like a very intuitive individual, care to share what I'm thinking right now? You seem to know so much about me, as you know exactly why I like the game, hmm.. Get out of my brain!
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
...and of course you have the numbers and proof to back that?
You are the spokes person for every Trekkie and the "mmo fanbois that is hardly into Star Trek"?
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8
For a Star Trek game not to be open space which surely it should be, but instances it fails there, I joined and commented cos of Vanguard, what you saw you could travel to. Its space, surely give us space, I have heard nothing but bad stuff about this game lately, which makes me sad cos was looking forward to it, Its Star Trek and im a nerd but the more I hear the more I think nope
:( *Major sadness*
Rev
Well I am not saying they cannot fix it if they screw it up, but if they screw up the launch, many will cancel their preorders. For instance Hellgate London I had preordered and was in the beta for it. IT was ok and the hype was it was made by many who made Diablo. But after awhile it got extremly repetative and near release it still had so many serious bugs and lag issues i cancelled my preorder. After that i never thought of the game again.
Sure some people gave the game a second chance, but they would have had alot more luck if they had done it right the first time. That is why i say doing it bad at launch give you a really bad reputation.
This is what will probably happen if they rush this game.
Nirrtix
ALPHAs:
-Pantheon
-Shroud of the Avatar
-Camelot Unchained
BETAs:
-World of Warcraft
-City of Heroes
-Star Wars Galaxies
-Saga of Ryzom
-Homeworld
-Starcraft II
-Warcraft III
-Hearthstone
-Star Wars The Old Republic
-Vanguard Saga of Heroes
uh.... most of the trekkies i know that are in beta cant get over how cool the game is and how well cryptic has captured the ST universe....
is everything exactly as it should be? no.... but seriously, there isnt a developer out there that could make a star trek game that is 100% faithful to the series. it is not possible, and it will never exist.
star trek fans really like this game. trolls like you dont. go troll somewhere else and spread your untrue, ludicrous propaganda elsewhere.
aside from that, there are still a LOT of bugs to be worked out, and i personally think the game needs another 3 months of beta before release.... but that isnt going to happen, and release is set in stone at this point. as long as the lag issues are worked out, this game will be completely playable at release. there will be some minor annoyances though.
I agree. I am a star trek fan. I am not die hard, but it being star trek was my drive to play it.
Nirrtix
ALPHAs:
-Pantheon
-Shroud of the Avatar
-Camelot Unchained
BETAs:
-World of Warcraft
-City of Heroes
-Star Wars Galaxies
-Saga of Ryzom
-Homeworld
-Starcraft II
-Warcraft III
-Hearthstone
-Star Wars The Old Republic
-Vanguard Saga of Heroes
100% agree Nirrtix , the launch ( first 1-2 months is everything now )
REv
I agree. I am a star trek fan. I am not die hard, but it being star trek was my drive to play it.
Same on me. I like the star trek show and movies, i also like SciFi and MMORPG and i really LOVE space ship games,
even if this genre is starving. Thats why i tried to get into closed beta and i did. So i know what this game is.
I don't think you all understand just how big and empty space really is. There isn't stuff that just floats around space. Sure there are a FEW asteroids that float around but most are within a gravitational field and travel very specific locations. Traveling through empty space would be BORING, mind numbing in fact. That's why they built holodecks because it gave them something to do besides look out at empty space.
I like how STO is set up. I actually think traveling in sector space is TOO long. If they have instances then allow us to travel fast. I want to jump from one point to the next since you are making every battle and mission be instanced, but then that would make the game too short. But you can select a location and have it auto-pilot you there which is nice because then I can go to the restroom or get something to eat or drink.
The only thing I think STO is missing is a "orbit" command so that you can orbit a ship during battle instead of having to pilot it with the behind view the entire time.
Teala gave me a hammie
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Hey Warlord just looked through thread and could see past post of you explaining game, like I said want to love this game, Ive not beta played it, of course Beta can and always option be changed, what are your thoughts on this game, from Hello my first play into another mmo type thing, if dont mind saying ?
Rev
This whole argument is hilarious.....
First off, can people not form opinions for themselves? go to gamestop. put 5 dollars down on the game, get your beta key and form your own damn opinion.. instead of trying to deduct one from these stupid rantings on BOTH sides..... jesus, its only 5 dollars you can't even get a big mac for that cheep.
grow up children, form an opinion for yourselves.... instead of listening to fanbois, and trolls bicker like school girls.
btw, i personally like the game. but... that's because i like star trek, and it happens to capture the ST universe well, the zoning is messed up, but all things can change in time... just look at vanguard now... AND Age of Conan....
later,
Nadriell
I definatly will keep an eye on the game and see how it goes. I can live with some things if they are not changed. Like one person earlier said its hard to appease everyone. But if it was released as it now i will not pay 49.99 for it. I will check up near the end of BETA and see what its like. I will also give it another go if they have a free trial in the near future. They claim they plan on adding a HUGE content patch but they do not elaborate what is in it.
Nirrtix
ALPHAs:
-Pantheon
-Shroud of the Avatar
-Camelot Unchained
BETAs:
-World of Warcraft
-City of Heroes
-Star Wars Galaxies
-Saga of Ryzom
-Homeworld
-Starcraft II
-Warcraft III
-Hearthstone
-Star Wars The Old Republic
-Vanguard Saga of Heroes
You sound like a Pvper, kill kill, faster, faster pussycat
To GeoGrad, the reply button to posts seem to just reply to threads, sorry
REv
True STO has much to do to make it work but they have a great base to begin, unlike eve you say risk and reward haha, the only risk is solo pilots and being ganked by a group of children .. also shields.. shields form a shell around your ship eve the shields let all damage pass through lets call it extra armor in STO the shields really work also lets talk real hard core i was in a fight with a battleship took three times to get it right and win, but like in RL i was to close and when it blow it took me with it.. eve is ok but has to many ganking children and the fake open world those stargates are just zone lines people . the truth is all games have problems but lets tell the truth eve in far from a great game and same with STO but there is hope,,,
Nadriell first off a big mac costs less than $5 last i checked. That is unless you live in some place where the tax is outrageous.
Vangaurd is doing better but its still not that great. Conan i honestly avoided like a plague becuase of what happened with it.
I never siad it didnt capture the star trek universe. The only few gripes i have as far as that goes is they need to have more ship customizations for each ship type and more race options. That is not saying that they are so insufficient i would complain or not buy the game becuase of it. My gripe is gameplay, content, and implementation.
FYI i am neither a fanboi or a school girl troll. I am agamer who does not want to pay 49.99 for a game that is made sloppily.
Nirrtix
ALPHAs:
-Pantheon
-Shroud of the Avatar
-Camelot Unchained
BETAs:
-World of Warcraft
-City of Heroes
-Star Wars Galaxies
-Saga of Ryzom
-Homeworld
-Starcraft II
-Warcraft III
-Hearthstone
-Star Wars The Old Republic
-Vanguard Saga of Heroes
I'm just tired of MMo's NOT BEING FINISHED at launch and expecting us to pay for a game while they finish it. some times its a game that was launched a year to early like Age of Conan. If that game had a do over and was launched now the game would have a lot better name for its self. War Hammer is another game launched to early.
I am really liking STO right now. I will be playing this game at launch so im not a hater.
Klingons are pissing me off. They through in the Klingons. They are trying to cover up the fact that they have no content made yet, and are trying to pawn off this PVP only idea on us. This is a example of STO repeating the mistakes of older games. All they have to do is tell us the truth.I bet most of the gamers will understand and wait till the game is finished. Most gamers would rather have a game finished then a game that suxs becouse its not done.
But that is the problem when a MMO lets the penny pushers take control of a games.
is that with our without fries and a drink.... the fries help mop up the greese from the big mac, and the drink washes it all down = more then 5$
if you don't want the damn game, don't buy it.. but putting troll food on the forums is bad... just look at what you've caused.... they'll kill each other, you know that right?
WEll frankly i never said EVE was great or perfect. EVE was ok but let me down in there is no control of ships other than ordering it to kill blah with blah weapons. I was saying there were things eve did right. As for the Stargates being zonelines. sure they were, but they looked more realistic than what they have in STO. In fact the world in STO is so small why not have no zone lines?Sector space as i have said is a lame lazy way to have done it. Sure it still feels like star trek, but it does not feel like you are flying through space.
Nirrtix
ALPHAs:
-Pantheon
-Shroud of the Avatar
-Camelot Unchained
BETAs:
-World of Warcraft
-City of Heroes
-Star Wars Galaxies
-Saga of Ryzom
-Homeworld
-Starcraft II
-Warcraft III
-Hearthstone
-Star Wars The Old Republic
-Vanguard Saga of Heroes
but you did not mention the fires and drink.
By the way i was able to get a Big Mac meal in Thailand for $2.50 supersized even. 
As for the forum I am discussing the game. It is not my fault if some trolls join in. Ignore them like i do. MAybe its best if they do kill each other, less trolls = good.
Nirrtix
ALPHAs:
-Pantheon
-Shroud of the Avatar
-Camelot Unchained
BETAs:
-World of Warcraft
-City of Heroes
-Star Wars Galaxies
-Saga of Ryzom
-Homeworld
-Starcraft II
-Warcraft III
-Hearthstone
-Star Wars The Old Republic
-Vanguard Saga of Heroes
Surely you can control your ship in battles, turn to port or starboard type ?
Rev
With threads being closed down on this forum for being either useless trolls or self seeking attention posts,I really have to ask why this 1 is being allowed to continue.
Started as a troll thread and has went down hill since then.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8
I was impressed with the game after playing a Klingon was what pissed me off. Some are saying 30 to 45 days after launch they are adding the content. What the heck?!?!?! I was looking forward to playing a Klingon. Also having to play a Federation toon for 6 levels (it takes longer to get to 6 than you think) and spending hours on that toon to make your Klingon. Then you get to the Klingon area and there is no content.
Nirrtix
ALPHAs:
-Pantheon
-Shroud of the Avatar
-Camelot Unchained
BETAs:
-World of Warcraft
-City of Heroes
-Star Wars Galaxies
-Saga of Ryzom
-Homeworld
-Starcraft II
-Warcraft III
-Hearthstone
-Star Wars The Old Republic
-Vanguard Saga of Heroes
ok...more race options...im not a trekie so i cant tell but it seems like there are tons of races to choose from and you can even make your own with its own bonuses. i like the game compared to eve for 1 major thing...its fun. i dont have to take an online tutorial to figure out the menus (btw i did figure them it without them...if only i knew). Also, ship combat is still player skill based to a good degree. Yes...stupid people will still die, myself included sometimes. Ground combat need some work and the engine has some memory leaks i think but for what they are allowing us to play i have played a lot worse (not including AoC). I still wish they had more ship options though.
daylight i am not a troll is why. Secondly We are discussing the game and our concerns about it.
I told you before i plan on buying the game if they fix to where its not a sloppy piece of crap.
Nirrtix
ALPHAs:
-Pantheon
-Shroud of the Avatar
-Camelot Unchained
BETAs:
-World of Warcraft
-City of Heroes
-Star Wars Galaxies
-Saga of Ryzom
-Homeworld
-Starcraft II
-Warcraft III
-Hearthstone
-Star Wars The Old Republic
-Vanguard Saga of Heroes