This is SO very true. Anytime a game tries to be different you get people that bitch and moan even though those same people bitch and moan constantly about how stagnant MMOs have become and how they are all the same. Some people just don't know what they really want .
We want something new that has nothing to do with quest text.
And you'll get that. It's all voiced now just like it is in real life. Unless you just don't want quests period for which I say you are SOL.
Well to an extent I agree with you, I am SOL. But when I mean quest text I mean I do not feel the majority of online gamers (i mean MAJORITY), feel that what a quest says or does is particularily important.
The majority of us simply don't WANT to be 'immersed' in the game to such an extent as to Don a british accent and pretend i really am a freaking Paladin.
Well this is certainly a complaint I never thought I would see. You want an MMORPG that is LESS immersive? Sorry, we want to move the genre forward, not backwards.
I do not feel moving an interactive and COMPLTELY 100% multiplayer setting, into campaigns is moving forward. I do not feel this game is innovating interactivity.
We just want to fight things, fight people, better ourselves at the game, and surpass all others.
There are plenty of single player/online games for that. MMOs are suppose to be something more than that.
Well thats YOUR opinion and this is MY opinion. MMOs do not have to be about story and saving the world. I am not, as one poster said, a sole PVP hound. I love FFXI for one, and I have NEVER participated in Ballista, but there is still a HUGE degree of player competition in different respects. Yeah, alot of it is gear based, but I am, personally, looking for an MMO that will innovate this competitiveness away from sheer button mashing speed and gear. How? Who knows. I don't think fancy quests is going to help me though.
We want something new along THESE lines, not FANCIER quests, or 'get me 5 apple PIES!" instead of simply apples.
Dude, it's freaking Star Wars. It's using lightsabers and blasters because that is the IP. Most fights in Star Wars were fast paced, random encounters which is exactly what you are getting in this game. Too make the combat different would be to break the IP and then the game would truly fail. When I play a Star Wars game, I expect it to feel like Star Wars.
Dude, its freaking star wars. I totally agree with you. Didnt I say that near the beginning? When I play a star wars game I expect it to play like star wars too, which is exactly what I don't feel the majority of gamers are looking for and will thus move on to better things or back to wow!
This is SO very true. Anytime a game tries to be different you get people that bitch and moan even though those same people bitch and moan constantly about how stagnant MMOs have become and how they are all the same. Some people just don't know what they really want .
We want something new that has nothing to do with quest text.
And you'll get that. It's all voiced now just like it is in real life. Unless you just don't want quests period for which I say you are SOL.
Well to an extent I agree with you, I am SOL. But when I mean quest text I mean I do not feel the majority of online gamers (i mean MAJORITY), feel that what a quest says or does is particularily important.
The majority of us simply don't WANT to be 'immersed' in the game to such an extent as to Don a british accent and pretend i really am a freaking Paladin.
Well this is certainly a complaint I never thought I would see. You want an MMORPG that is LESS immersive? Sorry, we want to move the genre forward, not backwards.
I do not feel moving an interactive and COMPLTELY 100% multiplayer setting, into campaigns is moving forward. I do not feel this game is innovating interactivity.
We just want to fight things, fight people, better ourselves at the game, and surpass all others.
There are plenty of single player/online games for that. MMOs are suppose to be something more than that.
Well thats YOUR opinion and this is MY opinion. MMOs do not have to be about story and saving the world. I am not, as one poster said, a sole PVP hound. I love FFXI for one, and I have NEVER participated in Ballista, but there is still a HUGE degree of player competition in different respects. Yeah, alot of it is gear based, but I am, personally, looking for an MMO that will innovate this competitiveness away from sheer button mashing speed and gear. How? Who knows. I don't think fancy quests is going to help me though.
We want something new along THESE lines, not FANCIER quests, or 'get me 5 apple PIES!" instead of simply apples.
Dude, it's freaking Star Wars. It's using lightsabers and blasters because that is the IP. Most fights in Star Wars were fast paced, random encounters which is exactly what you are getting in this game. Too make the combat different would be to break the IP and then the game would truly fail. When I play a Star Wars game, I expect it to feel like Star Wars.
Dude, its freaking star wars. I totally agree with you. Didnt I say that near the beginning? When I play a star wars game I expect it to play like star wars too, which is exactly what I don't feel the majority of gamers are looking for and will thus move on to better things or back to wow!
And thats your OPINION, MY opinion is that KOTOR has sold millions of copies, and BioWare games have always attracted tremendous fanfare, and their first shot at an MMO will be hugely successful in both initial sales and subscriptions. Even the KotoR games themselves had many different facets of customization and progression then any of the initial warcraft games, yet a good developers work speaks for itself, hence how WoW became popular. I can only think of 2 successful SP companies that created MMOs, and both of them were successful in their own right. Square Enix with FF, and Blizzard with WoW.
I think BioWare is going to exceed expectations with this release... as they did with both KoToR games for me.
I don't get first off how people call this an MMO.
I also don't get how people are claiming its doing something different.
When people say they want something different, they usually mean, more depth, not, more simplicity, more single player.
Agreed, and people certainly don't say, more light sabers.
1) People call this an MMO because it is one. Check the stickys on ToR forums or this one.. it may fix that misguided judgement of yours.
2) Since it is an MMO you will be able to group from the very first missions onward in a massive world.
3) Believe it or not, Star Wars isn't the only game with lightsabers. No More Heroes, PSU, Castle Crasher, to name just a few, and after playing those games online, you'd be surprised how many people choose the lightsabers over other traditional weapons.
I don't get first off how people call this an MMO.
I also don't get how people are claiming its doing something different.
When people say they want something different, they usually mean, more depth, not, more simplicity, more single player.
Agreed, and people certainly don't say, more light sabers.
1) People call this an MMO because it is one. Check the stickys on ToR forums or this one.. it may fix that misguided judgement of yours.
2) Since it is an MMO you will be able to group from the very first missions onward in a massive world.
3) Believe it or not, Star Wars isn't the only game with lightsabers. No More Heroes, PSU, Castle Crasher, to name just a few, and after playing those games online, you'd be surprised how many people choose the lightsabers over other traditional weapons.
Cheers.
This may be true, I may be surprised. But I am quite sure you will NOT be surprised at the number of people who chose traditional weapons over unrealistic heat beam swords.
I don't get first off how people call this an MMO.
I also don't get how people are claiming its doing something different.
When people say they want something different, they usually mean, more depth, not, more simplicity, more single player.
Agreed, and people certainly don't say, more light sabers.
1) People call this an MMO because it is one. Check the stickys on ToR forums or this one.. it may fix that misguided judgement of yours.
2) Since it is an MMO you will be able to group from the very first missions onward in a massive world.
3) Believe it or not, Star Wars isn't the only game with lightsabers. No More Heroes, PSU, Castle Crasher, to name just a few, and after playing those games online, you'd be surprised how many people choose the lightsabers over other traditional weapons.
Cheers.
This may be true, I may be surprised. But I am quite sure you will NOT be surprised at the number of people who chose traditional weapons over unrealistic heat beam swords.
Well, theres always a chance that you won't need a lightsaber in ToR either, you can always use a vibroblade which can stand against light sabers if you wanted to. I would suspect at least a few bounty hunters would carry them.
What I'm trying to point out though is that even though you think the star wars staple lightsaber isn't popular, its been used in other games as well, where it wasn't always a necessity to choose it, but players do.. not to mention developers put them into games that don't have it as a mainstay for the series.
I don't get first off how people call this an MMO.
I also don't get how people are claiming its doing something different.
When people say they want something different, they usually mean, more depth, not, more simplicity, more single player.
Agreed, and people certainly don't say, more light sabers.
1) People call this an MMO because it is one. Check the stickys on ToR forums or this one.. it may fix that misguided judgement of yours.
2) Since it is an MMO you will be able to group from the very first missions onward in a massive world.
3) Believe it or not, Star Wars isn't the only game with lightsabers. No More Heroes, PSU, Castle Crasher, to name just a few, and after playing those games online, you'd be surprised how many people choose the lightsabers over other traditional weapons.
Cheers.
This may be true, I may be surprised. But I am quite sure you will NOT be surprised at the number of people who chose traditional weapons over unrealistic heat beam swords.
Well, theres always a chance that you won't need a lightsaber in ToR either, you can always use a vibroblade which can stand against light sabers if you wanted to. I would suspect at least a few bounty hunters would carry them.
What I'm trying to point out though is that even though you think the star wars staple lightsaber isn't popular, its been used in other games as well, where it wasn't always a necessity to choose it, but players do.. not to mention developers put them into games that don't have it as a mainstay for the series.
Just something to think about.
Unfortunately, I am not just picking on the light sabre for light saber sake... Its just an example of the many facets of Star Wars that are unappealing to many people of my generation.
Star wars is Hella popular. Yes. But not to the majority of gamers.
Thus, I do not thikn the game will SURPASS its launch glory and i DO think it will regress to, say, a WAR level of popularity.
I don't get first off how people call this an MMO.
I also don't get how people are claiming its doing something different.
When people say they want something different, they usually mean, more depth, not, more simplicity, more single player.
Agreed, and people certainly don't say, more light sabers.
1) People call this an MMO because it is one. Check the stickys on ToR forums or this one.. it may fix that misguided judgement of yours.
2) Since it is an MMO you will be able to group from the very first missions onward in a massive world.
3) Believe it or not, Star Wars isn't the only game with lightsabers. No More Heroes, PSU, Castle Crasher, to name just a few, and after playing those games online, you'd be surprised how many people choose the lightsabers over other traditional weapons.
Cheers.
This may be true, I may be surprised. But I am quite sure you will NOT be surprised at the number of people who chose traditional weapons over unrealistic heat beam swords.
Well, theres always a chance that you won't need a lightsaber in ToR either, you can always use a vibroblade which can stand against light sabers if you wanted to. I would suspect at least a few bounty hunters would carry them.
What I'm trying to point out though is that even though you think the star wars staple lightsaber isn't popular, its been used in other games as well, where it wasn't always a necessity to choose it, but players do.. not to mention developers put them into games that don't have it as a mainstay for the series.
Just something to think about.
Unfortunately, I am not just picking on the light sabre for light saber sake... Its just an example of the many facets of Star Wars that are unappealing to many people of my generation.
Star wars is Hella popular. Yes. But not to the majority of gamers.
Thus, I do not thikn the game will SURPASS its launch glory and i DO think it will regress to, say, a WAR level of popularity.
And that is your opinion.... on the flip side, I think that the old republic series is amazingly more popular then the recent final fantasy titles, by IP alone, ToR is in a far better state to hold a strong playerbase in comparison. If you think about it, they've got a strong market on children from cartoon movie releases, all the way up to players with the force unleashed which was targeted for teens on up and was also widely successful. Of course the older population 33+.. which is the average MMO gamer will ALSO know the IP love it or hate it... so I think they've got a strong demographic even if this game takes place so many years before the first movies came out. Whereas if you haven't owned a playstation or super nintendo in the last 15 years you'dve missed many of the FF games as well as their lackluster animated film (though I did like thee animated film with cloud)... not to mention.. nomatter how terrible lightsabers may seem, I get tired extremely quickly of chocobos...
I don't get first off how people call this an MMO.
I also don't get how people are claiming its doing something different.
When people say they want something different, they usually mean, more depth, not, more simplicity, more single player.
Agreed, and people certainly don't say, more light sabers.
1) People call this an MMO because it is one. Check the stickys on ToR forums or this one.. it may fix that misguided judgement of yours.
2) Since it is an MMO you will be able to group from the very first missions onward in a massive world.
Cheers.
Yeah, a massive world broken into a thousand scripted instances, with NPC companions making it so that the only people you're likely to ever group with are friends from outside the game. Opens worlds do NOT exist with scripted instances. They are opposites.
I don't get first off how people call this an MMO.
I also don't get how people are claiming its doing something different.
When people say they want something different, they usually mean, more depth, not, more simplicity, more single player.
Agreed, and people certainly don't say, more light sabers.
1) People call this an MMO because it is one. Check the stickys on ToR forums or this one.. it may fix that misguided judgement of yours.
2) Since it is an MMO you will be able to group from the very first missions onward in a massive world.
3) Believe it or not, Star Wars isn't the only game with lightsabers. No More Heroes, PSU, Castle Crasher, to name just a few, and after playing those games online, you'd be surprised how many people choose the lightsabers over other traditional weapons.
Cheers.
This may be true, I may be surprised. But I am quite sure you will NOT be surprised at the number of people who chose traditional weapons over unrealistic heat beam swords.
Well, theres always a chance that you won't need a lightsaber in ToR either, you can always use a vibroblade which can stand against light sabers if you wanted to. I would suspect at least a few bounty hunters would carry them.
What I'm trying to point out though is that even though you think the star wars staple lightsaber isn't popular, its been used in other games as well, where it wasn't always a necessity to choose it, but players do.. not to mention developers put them into games that don't have it as a mainstay for the series.
Just something to think about.
Unfortunately, I am not just picking on the light sabre for light saber sake... Its just an example of the many facets of Star Wars that are unappealing to many people of my generation.
Star wars is Hella popular. Yes. But not to the majority of gamers.
Thus, I do not thikn the game will SURPASS its launch glory and i DO think it will regress to, say, a WAR level of popularity.
And that is your opinion.... on the flip side, I think that the old republic series is amazingly more popular then the recent final fantasy titles, by IP alone, ToR is in a far better state to hold a strong playerbase in comparison. If you think about it, they've got a strong market on children from cartoon movie releases, all the way up to players with the force unleashed which was targeted for teens on up and was also widely successful. Of course the older population 33+.. which is the average MMO gamer will ALSO know the IP love it or hate it... so I think they've got a strong demographic even if this game takes place so many years before the first movies came out. Whereas if you haven't owned a playstation or super nintendo in the last 15 years you'dve missed many of the FF games as well as their lackluster animated film (though I did like thee animated film with cloud)... not to mention.. nomatter how terrible lightsabers may seem, I get tired extremely quickly of chocobos...
Does that make sense?
It does make sense,
But we have differing opinions on the strength of these cartoons on the the younger generations..
A) I don't the the age of the viewers of these shows has reached the age of being a 'power' in the success or failure of an MMO much less care either way about an IP.
I do not agree that final fantasy has had less of an impact on gamers in the last 15 years than Star wars.
I would wager that more people have played a Final Fantasy game than a Star Wars game. Add to that, I would wager that between those who have played FF and SW. The proportion of people who like FF is higher than the proportion who enjoyed teh SW games.
No way to prove me wrong or right.. its just my opinion.
I don't get first off how people call this an MMO.
I also don't get how people are claiming its doing something different.
When people say they want something different, they usually mean, more depth, not, more simplicity, more single player.
Agreed, and people certainly don't say, more light sabers.
1) People call this an MMO because it is one. Check the stickys on ToR forums or this one.. it may fix that misguided judgement of yours.
2) Since it is an MMO you will be able to group from the very first missions onward in a massive world.
3) Believe it or not, Star Wars isn't the only game with lightsabers. No More Heroes, PSU, Castle Crasher, to name just a few, and after playing those games online, you'd be surprised how many people choose the lightsabers over other traditional weapons.
Cheers.
This may be true, I may be surprised. But I am quite sure you will NOT be surprised at the number of people who chose traditional weapons over unrealistic heat beam swords.
Well, theres always a chance that you won't need a lightsaber in ToR either, you can always use a vibroblade which can stand against light sabers if you wanted to. I would suspect at least a few bounty hunters would carry them.
What I'm trying to point out though is that even though you think the star wars staple lightsaber isn't popular, its been used in other games as well, where it wasn't always a necessity to choose it, but players do.. not to mention developers put them into games that don't have it as a mainstay for the series.
Just something to think about.
Unfortunately, I am not just picking on the light sabre for light saber sake... Its just an example of the many facets of Star Wars that are unappealing to many people of my generation.
Star wars is Hella popular. Yes. But not to the majority of gamers.
Thus, I do not thikn the game will SURPASS its launch glory and i DO think it will regress to, say, a WAR level of popularity.
And that is your opinion.... on the flip side, I think that the old republic series is amazingly more popular then the recent final fantasy titles, by IP alone, ToR is in a far better state to hold a strong playerbase in comparison. If you think about it, they've got a strong market on children from cartoon movie releases, all the way up to players with the force unleashed which was targeted for teens on up and was also widely successful. Of course the older population 33+.. which is the average MMO gamer will ALSO know the IP love it or hate it... so I think they've got a strong demographic even if this game takes place so many years before the first movies came out. Whereas if you haven't owned a playstation or super nintendo in the last 15 years you'dve missed many of the FF games as well as their lackluster animated film (though I did like thee animated film with cloud)... not to mention.. nomatter how terrible lightsabers may seem, I get tired extremely quickly of chocobos...
Does that make sense?
It does make sense,
But we have differing opinions on the strength of these cartoons on the the younger generations..
A) I don't the the age of the viewers of these shows has reached the age of being a 'power' in the success or failure of an MMO much less care either way about an IP.
I do not agree that final fantasy has had less of an impact on gamers in the last 15 years than Star wars.
I would wager that more people have played a Final Fantasy game than a Star Wars game. Add to that, I would wager that between those who have played FF and SW. The proportion of people who like FF is higher than the proportion who enjoyed teh SW games.
No way to prove me wrong or right.. its just my opinion.
Exactly, based upon your own preference eventhough you did mention you didn't play a star wars game before. I know your a final fantasy fan, which is why I used it as kind of a bait. Now we could go by the sales of each game... FF to SW and see which games out sold if I really wanted to make a point, but it isn't necessary... this isn't the "One game to rule them all" show, to each their own. You don't really understand it, I feel I understand it too well to not understand why you don't understand it.
Its at the point where we can successfully agree to disagree.. but it doesn't mean theres no room for ToR to be a success.. and it doesn't mean that just because ToR is a success, that FF won't be.
I have been playing SWG for years and I do like the OLD Star Wars movies. But will I play this game? No.
Why I'm not going to play this game:
I have been playing SWG and I know what Lucas can do to a great game. SOE got a lot of hate, but don't forget Lucas.
It's Star Wars and must follow rules and can't change that much. You can't add a pink rabbit just for fun... just a silly example.
Jedis, they will be all over the game.
WoW graphics. In my eyes this look like WoW in space...
Focus on story. So it seem like you are stuck with a story that you must follow. How fun is that in a MMORPG? What happen to the great freedom these games have? Why not just make a normal single player game? What happens when you make a new character? Do same story over and over again like in AoC? B o r i n g.
Animations: The look ugly.
Character design: Ugly and old. And also wierd. The body look just wierd. Long legs, small head, big feet. Again ugly WoW graphics.
Weapon design: Also huge and ugly.
I think thats about it.
Played: From Earth & Beyond, Anarchy Online, Matrix Online, Star Wars Galaxies, World of Warcraft, Age of Conan, Tabula Rasa (Beta), EvE Online, City of Villians, Atlantica Online, Guild Wars, Lineage 2, Pirates of the Burning Sea, PlanetSide, RF Online, Second Life, Fallen Earth.
If you really think FF is more popular in the west than Star Wars...wooooooo. You got another thing coming.
Asian themes haven't gone over well in the west and chances are that won't change in 2011. It's been a repreated theme for a while now. However, most people know what Star Wars is all about. If I went out and asked random people if they knew what Star Wars was, they'd probably say yes.
If I asked them what Final Fantasy was they'd tilt their head a little bit and ask, "What's that? A porno?"
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If you really think FF is more popular in the west than Star Wars...wooooooo. You got another thing coming.
Asian themes haven't gone over well in the west and chances are that won't change in 2011. It's been a repreated theme for a while now. However, most people know what Star Wars is all about. If I went out and asked random people if they knew what Star Wars was, they'd probably say yes.
If I asked them what Final Fantasy was they'd tilt their head a little bit and ask, "What's that? A porno?"
Well Star Wars have been around for 200 billion years and have generations after generations that have seen it or know what it is. Lucas have build an empire out it.
FF have also been around for a lot of years now and I'm sure that if you ask people from 10 up to maybe 40 today, might know what it is. It's one of the biggest in RPG and it also have movies etc. Maybe not that much like Star Wars... still it's huge.
And ofc people will know what Star Wars is about. The story is kind of simple. FF is much bigger if you look at the story.
Thats what I think. ^^
Played: From Earth & Beyond, Anarchy Online, Matrix Online, Star Wars Galaxies, World of Warcraft, Age of Conan, Tabula Rasa (Beta), EvE Online, City of Villians, Atlantica Online, Guild Wars, Lineage 2, Pirates of the Burning Sea, PlanetSide, RF Online, Second Life, Fallen Earth.
I have been playing SWG for years and I do like the OLD Star Wars movies. But will I play this game? No. Why I'm not going to play this game:
I have been playing SWG and I know what Lucas can do to a great game. SOE got a lot of hate, but don't forget Lucas. I suppose theres nothing to argue about in this instance, as noone can help the way you feel.. but I'd like to remind you that lucas was involved in the other KoToR games and they turned out wonderfully. It's Star Wars and must follow rules and can't change that much. You can't add a pink rabbit just for fun... just a silly example. What rules are they not following in ToR? Jedis, they will be all over the game. As opposed to the current SWG game where they aren't? PreCU SWG will not be returning for a nostalgia tour. At least in ToR it makes more sense as there were more jedi around in that era. WoW graphics. In my eyes this look like WoW in space... That is your opinion, but we have no idea how it will look on launch... or even when exactly launch will be. I think it looks somewhat closer to CO then WoW.. minus the dark outlines. Focus on story. So it seem like you are stuck with a story that you must follow. How fun is that in a MMORPG? What happen to the great freedom these games have? Why not just make a normal single player game? What happens when you make a new character? Do same story over and over again like in AoC? B o r i n g. Every character has a different story spanning hours and hours of gameplay. No 2 stories are the same, and each story gives you a plethora of choices, so you could play the same character twice and never make the same decision twice if you wanted to. Animations: The look ugly. In comparison to what? Which animations looked ugly? The ones where the jedi ran around attacking various enemies fluidly, or when the bounty hunter took flight and fired his flamethrower and blaster bolts around? Don't know many games that have better animations.. and the game hasn't even hit beta yet. Character design: Ugly and old. And also wierd. The body look just wierd. Long legs, small head, big feet. Again ugly WoW graphics. You put this on here twice, it makes me think you're just fishing for reasons to not like the game and you're having a hard time. Again, its your opinion. I don't know if you've seen WoW lately, but to me, ToR looks to be in much better detail on the in-game trailers. Weapon design: Also huge and ugly. Which weapons were huge and ugly? The lightsabers? In comparison to what? Have you ever played a star wars game before? Like the lightsabers on SWG were discreet?
I think thats about it.
I don't think you've looked up much on the game. You've pretty much reserved yourself to not like the game nomatter what actual features it has, and thats okay.. alot of the community does that with new MMOs... but I think a few of your reasons there are somewhat unfounded seeing as how you duplicated the graphics one, and the story line "problem" was way off.
What the OP seems to fail to understand (i hate saying fail) is that star wars games will always outsell final fantasy games, maybe not individually, but if you think FF have even come close to SW games accumalative sales, then your very misinformed. Considering games like X wing vs Tie Fighter, set the stage for space sim games, and opened the doors for FPS's, RTS's along with RPG's, they've easily hit a much much larger audience.
If your questioning why making a star wars MMO is a good idea, then you really aren't tuned into common tastes. The star wars movies are practically the most popular trilogy or series of films ever made. They are historical. If you make anything and sell it, say, a cookie (example) and said, this is a star wars cookie, your sales would increase no matter what. There are alot more star wars fans than there are FF fans, but thats besides the point.
Swtor will do well because of the Kotor games, star wars as a whole, and Bioware's reputation with making games and telling stories through games. MMO or not, this is going to be a good game.
Longing for Skyrim, The Old Republic and Mass Effect 3
let me get this straight. you dont want to play ToR because it HAS an in depth storyline? you said you are a veteran of SWG? i would think that would be first on your list of things to look forward to. i myself played SWG for quite a long time. i all but yeared for more story. the story acrs in that game are so feeble and broken. and no, this game is not linear. and yes, if you start the same character ever, you will get the same story arc. however, if you start a different class, you will have a 100% different story from start to endgame. what's not to like about that? in SWG everyone has the exact same(broken) quests. as for the graphics in ToR, i applaud them.granted, they may not look realistic like some other newer games, but they flow well and wont be as choppy adding to the immersion of the game. but going with the comic book approach, they almost guarantee more subscriptions. the game engine will run on lower end machines. so basically, im confused. save for the item creation and housing in SWG(which i did really like) this game a year from completion already has the makings to be better than SWG in every single way. if you used a game like WoW for your argument, i might have understood that.
I have been playing SWG for years and I do like the OLD Star Wars movies. But will I play this game? No. Why I'm not going to play this game:
I have been playing SWG and I know what Lucas can do to a great game. SOE got a lot of hate, but don't forget Lucas. It's Star Wars and must follow rules and can't change that much. You can't add a pink rabbit just for fun... just a silly example. Jedis, they will be all over the game. WoW graphics. In my eyes this look like WoW in space... Focus on story. So it seem like you are stuck with a story that you must follow. How fun is that in a MMORPG? What happen to the great freedom these games have? Why not just make a normal single player game? What happens when you make a new character? Do same story over and over again like in AoC? B o r i n g. Animations: The look ugly. Character design: Ugly and old. And also wierd. The body look just wierd. Long legs, small head, big feet. Again ugly WoW graphics. Weapon design: Also huge and ugly.
I think thats about it.
You're entitled to your opinion however I feel I should at least share where you're possibly wrong.
Lucas Arts can make great games, and I do think they are just as responsible for the NGE as SoE. With that said. As of late, LA games have been a bit unbearable. They seem to take the easy way out in most cases which is another feature they share with SoE. The last decent game with the LA logo I played was the KOTOR series. Even their "Huge" titles as of late such as Star Wars The Clone Wars and the Force Unleashed were mostly unplayable. And in my opinion, all though a favorite of many, I found Battlefront to me mediocre and a lazy attempt at a Battlefieldish FPS that was heavy in clunky movement/controls. LA is a decent company, SoE used to be great, they've both poisoned each other. Hopefully BioWare is the remedy for LA.
The rules have been broken time and time again. But who is the culprit(s)? KoTOR was the last actual Star Warsy form of entertainment in many many years. SWG all though fun, at times, didn't have a drop of the Star Wars feel. It felt lazy, looked lazy and played lazy.
Jedis will be all over the game, ok? Do I have to remind you of the timeline? The lack of alpha class? And the badassery of every other class (leads me to believe most classes will turn out fairly balanced in numbers)?
To an untrained eye, sure. SWTOR and WoW. If you say so.
"Every class will have its own unique story", the memo, didn't you get it?
Complaining about early unfleshed out animations is like complaining the uncooked frozen turkey is to cold to eat.
I have to agree that sometimes the characters have looked rather silly and is not a wonderful thing. That is of coarse the opinion I would have if I didn't believe character customization was not in a modern BioWare game. I can also show you some of the different characters that have appeared in the trailers and teasers having fairly normal shapes and sizes if you like.
I found that most weapon designs were fairly similar to those seen in the movies. Take the IA as an example. I'm sure you're thinking Light Saber size, but your lack in being specific with this final opinion of yours leads me to believe this was a last resort idea at why SWTOR is not acceptable in your eyes.
Yeah, a massive world broken into a thousand scripted instances, with NPC companions making it so that the only people you're likely to ever group with are friends from outside the game. Opens worlds do NOT exist with scripted instances. They are opposites.
Provide a link where you are getting this "information" that the game is nothing but scripted instances.
Oh wait, don't bother trying to find the proof. BECAUSE YOU CAN'T. This idea is solely based on your own personal and highly slanted OPINION. Stop acting like it's fact.
The FACTS are that we do not have enough information regarding the game to make any of the assumptions you claim. The FACTS are that Bioware, EA and LucasArts have all been saying from day one that they are working on a MMORPG. The FACTS are that what little information we have are from Bioware who has emphasized their storyline content all while saying the game has PvP, Crafting, Auction Houses and all the other elements of a MMORPG.
Now maybe all three of those companies have no idea what a MMORPG is. Maybe Bioware, a company that has developed a good reputation in the gaming community, is lying through their teeth.
Or maybe some people are jumping to baseless assumptions dervied from too little information and need to stop trying to get a game removed from this site simply because the tiny bits of gameplay we have seen may not match with what they want to see.
If you really think FF is more popular in the west than Star Wars...wooooooo. You got another thing coming.
Asian themes haven't gone over well in the west and chances are that won't change in 2011. It's been a repreated theme for a while now. However, most people know what Star Wars is all about. If I went out and asked random people if they knew what Star Wars was, they'd probably say yes.
If I asked them what Final Fantasy was they'd tilt their head a little bit and ask, "What's that? A porno?"
People who respond saying i am a troll make ME laugh.
You have not read the majority of my posts.
Yes the average person knows Starwars, if not 90% of westerners
Unfortunately for your argument, 90% of westerners are noMMO gamers
My argument is that, Among MMO gamers, the majoiry of younger players have more affiliation and affinity for FF than SW.
If you as a 25 year old MMO lover what Final Fantasy is and they say a Porno, they deserve to be smacked. Just like a 50 year old movie buff deserves to be smacked for not knowing what SW is.
Its a demographic question within the gaming community.
let me get this straight. you dont want to play ToR because it HAS an in depth storyline? you said you are a veteran of SWG? i would think that would be first on your list of things to look forward to. i myself played SWG for quite a long time. i all but yeared for more story. the story acrs in that game are so feeble and broken. and no, this game is not linear. and yes, if you start the same character ever, you will get the same story arc. however, if you start a different class, you will have a 100% different story from start to endgame. what's not to like about that? in SWG everyone has the exact same(broken) quests. as for the graphics in ToR, i applaud them.granted, they may not look realistic like some other newer games, but they flow well and wont be as choppy adding to the immersion of the game. but going with the comic book approach, they almost guarantee more subscriptions. the game engine will run on lower end machines. so basically, im confused. save for the item creation and housing in SWG(which i did really like) this game a year from completion already has the makings to be better than SWG in every single way. if you used a game like WoW for your argument, i might have understood that.
If you really think FF is more popular in the west than Star Wars...wooooooo. You got another thing coming.
Asian themes haven't gone over well in the west and chances are that won't change in 2011. It's been a repreated theme for a while now. However, most people know what Star Wars is all about. If I went out and asked random people if they knew what Star Wars was, they'd probably say yes.
If I asked them what Final Fantasy was they'd tilt their head a little bit and ask, "What's that? A porno?"
People who respond saying i am a troll make ME laugh.
You have not read the majority of my posts.
Yes the average person knows Starwars, if not 90% of westerners
Unfortunately for your argument, 90% of westerners are noMMO gamers
My argument is that, Among MMO gamers, the majoiry of younger players have more affiliation and affinity for FF than SW.
If you as a 25 year old MMO lover what Final Fantasy is and they say a Porno, they deserve to be smacked. Just like a 50 year old movie buff deserves to be smacked for not knowing what SW is.
Its a demographic question within the gaming community.
More people, more gamers.. will know the star wars franchise then the FF franchise.. there have been many more star wars games out there then FF. Final fantasy has had what.... 12.. maybe 13 games out there? Star wars has had more then 12 games released just in the past 6 years. Final fantasy has maybe.. 3 movies available? Star wars has 6 live action non-ewok only films alone.. not to mention the tv show, and the animated films.
Star Wars has also had cameos in soul caliber and other games as well... but soul caliber was quite recent and was highly popular due to the cameos. (Link from Zelda was also a cameo in the wii version)
Also, in the BioWare interview today, this question was asked that I thought was kind of interesting :
7:39:07 -Nanocrystal asks: As Western RPGs take-off (Fallout 3, Oblivion, Mass Effect 1/2, Dragon Age, Fable III), JRPGs seem to be on the decline. What's going on?
Ray Muzyka: It may depend on the audience - JRPGs still seem pretty popular to some Western fans and to Japanese fans. And I know I always check out what Square Enix does. Perhaps the difference with Western style RPGs is that there is generally more opportunity for choice and customization and personalization of the experience.
Just interesting that BioWare brought up SE. A small plug if you will, however, I'd have to agree that in the west, JRPGs are on a decline and have been for a while.
If you really think FF is more popular in the west than Star Wars...wooooooo. You got another thing coming.
Asian themes haven't gone over well in the west and chances are that won't change in 2011. It's been a repreated theme for a while now. However, most people know what Star Wars is all about. If I went out and asked random people if they knew what Star Wars was, they'd probably say yes.
If I asked them what Final Fantasy was they'd tilt their head a little bit and ask, "What's that? A porno?"
People who respond saying i am a troll make ME laugh.
You have not read the majority of my posts.
Yes the average person knows Starwars, if not 90% of westerners
Unfortunately for your argument, 90% of westerners are noMMO gamers
My argument is that, Among MMO gamers, the majoiry of younger players have more affiliation and affinity for FF than SW.
If you as a 25 year old MMO lover what Final Fantasy is and they say a Porno, they deserve to be smacked. Just like a 50 year old movie buff deserves to be smacked for not knowing what SW is.
Its a demographic question within the gaming community.
More people, more gamers.. will know the star wars franchise then the FF franchise.. there have been many more star wars games out there then FF. Final fantasy has had what.... 12.. maybe 13 games out there? Star wars has had more then 12 games released just in the past 6 years. Final fantasy has maybe.. 3 movies available? Star wars has 6 live action non-ewok only films alone.. not to mention the tv show, and the animated films.
Star Wars has also had cameos in soul caliber and other games as well... but soul caliber was quite recent and was highly popular due to the cameos. (Link from Zelda was also a cameo in the wii version)
Also, in the BioWare interview today, this question was asked that I thought was kind of interesting :
7:39:07 -Nanocrystal asks: As Western RPGs take-off (Fallout 3, Oblivion, Mass Effect 1/2, Dragon Age, Fable III), JRPGs seem to be on the decline. What's going on?
Ray Muzyka: It may depend on the audience - JRPGs still seem pretty popular to some Western fans and to Japanese fans. And I know I always check out what Square Enix does. Perhaps the difference with Western style RPGs is that there is generally more opportunity for choice and customization and personalization of the experience.
Just interesting that BioWare brought up SE. A small plug if you will, however, I'd have to agree that in the west, JRPGs are on a decline and have been for a while.
Exactly. Couldn't have said it better.
Asian themed games (Unless we are talking like AoC's expansion) simply aren't that popular, in all western demographics. I'm sure FF has a following and most likely a fairly big one too, but Star Wars is much bigger and I'm positive more gamers would be interested in a Star Wars game rather than a FF game.
We'll see when they come out though. I should save this thread and come back a year and a half from now and we can talk then hehe.
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We want something new that has nothing to do with quest text.
And you'll get that. It's all voiced now just like it is in real life. Unless you just don't want quests period for which I say you are SOL.
Well to an extent I agree with you, I am SOL. But when I mean quest text I mean I do not feel the majority of online gamers (i mean MAJORITY), feel that what a quest says or does is particularily important.
The majority of us simply don't WANT to be 'immersed' in the game to such an extent as to Don a british accent and pretend i really am a freaking Paladin.
Well this is certainly a complaint I never thought I would see. You want an MMORPG that is LESS immersive? Sorry, we want to move the genre forward, not backwards.
I do not feel moving an interactive and COMPLTELY 100% multiplayer setting, into campaigns is moving forward. I do not feel this game is innovating interactivity.
We just want to fight things, fight people, better ourselves at the game, and surpass all others.
There are plenty of single player/online games for that. MMOs are suppose to be something more than that.
Well thats YOUR opinion and this is MY opinion. MMOs do not have to be about story and saving the world. I am not, as one poster said, a sole PVP hound. I love FFXI for one, and I have NEVER participated in Ballista, but there is still a HUGE degree of player competition in different respects. Yeah, alot of it is gear based, but I am, personally, looking for an MMO that will innovate this competitiveness away from sheer button mashing speed and gear. How? Who knows. I don't think fancy quests is going to help me though.
We want something new along THESE lines, not FANCIER quests, or 'get me 5 apple PIES!" instead of simply apples.
Dude, it's freaking Star Wars. It's using lightsabers and blasters because that is the IP. Most fights in Star Wars were fast paced, random encounters which is exactly what you are getting in this game. Too make the combat different would be to break the IP and then the game would truly fail. When I play a Star Wars game, I expect it to feel like Star Wars.
Dude, its freaking star wars. I totally agree with you. Didnt I say that near the beginning? When I play a star wars game I expect it to play like star wars too, which is exactly what I don't feel the majority of gamers are looking for and will thus move on to better things or back to wow!
I don't get first off how people call this an MMO.
I also don't get how people are claiming its doing something different.
When people say they want something different, they usually mean, more depth, not, more simplicity, more single player.
Agreed, and people certainly don't say, more light sabers.
We want something new that has nothing to do with quest text.
And you'll get that. It's all voiced now just like it is in real life. Unless you just don't want quests period for which I say you are SOL.
Well to an extent I agree with you, I am SOL. But when I mean quest text I mean I do not feel the majority of online gamers (i mean MAJORITY), feel that what a quest says or does is particularily important.
The majority of us simply don't WANT to be 'immersed' in the game to such an extent as to Don a british accent and pretend i really am a freaking Paladin.
Well this is certainly a complaint I never thought I would see. You want an MMORPG that is LESS immersive? Sorry, we want to move the genre forward, not backwards.
I do not feel moving an interactive and COMPLTELY 100% multiplayer setting, into campaigns is moving forward. I do not feel this game is innovating interactivity.
We just want to fight things, fight people, better ourselves at the game, and surpass all others.
There are plenty of single player/online games for that. MMOs are suppose to be something more than that.
Well thats YOUR opinion and this is MY opinion. MMOs do not have to be about story and saving the world. I am not, as one poster said, a sole PVP hound. I love FFXI for one, and I have NEVER participated in Ballista, but there is still a HUGE degree of player competition in different respects. Yeah, alot of it is gear based, but I am, personally, looking for an MMO that will innovate this competitiveness away from sheer button mashing speed and gear. How? Who knows. I don't think fancy quests is going to help me though.
We want something new along THESE lines, not FANCIER quests, or 'get me 5 apple PIES!" instead of simply apples.
Dude, it's freaking Star Wars. It's using lightsabers and blasters because that is the IP. Most fights in Star Wars were fast paced, random encounters which is exactly what you are getting in this game. Too make the combat different would be to break the IP and then the game would truly fail. When I play a Star Wars game, I expect it to feel like Star Wars.
Dude, its freaking star wars. I totally agree with you. Didnt I say that near the beginning? When I play a star wars game I expect it to play like star wars too, which is exactly what I don't feel the majority of gamers are looking for and will thus move on to better things or back to wow!
And thats your OPINION, MY opinion is that KOTOR has sold millions of copies, and BioWare games have always attracted tremendous fanfare, and their first shot at an MMO will be hugely successful in both initial sales and subscriptions. Even the KotoR games themselves had many different facets of customization and progression then any of the initial warcraft games, yet a good developers work speaks for itself, hence how WoW became popular. I can only think of 2 successful SP companies that created MMOs, and both of them were successful in their own right. Square Enix with FF, and Blizzard with WoW.
I think BioWare is going to exceed expectations with this release... as they did with both KoToR games for me.
Agreed, and people certainly don't say, more light sabers.
1) People call this an MMO because it is one. Check the stickys on ToR forums or this one.. it may fix that misguided judgement of yours.
2) Since it is an MMO you will be able to group from the very first missions onward in a massive world.
3) Believe it or not, Star Wars isn't the only game with lightsabers. No More Heroes, PSU, Castle Crasher, to name just a few, and after playing those games online, you'd be surprised how many people choose the lightsabers over other traditional weapons.
Cheers.
Agreed, and people certainly don't say, more light sabers.
1) People call this an MMO because it is one. Check the stickys on ToR forums or this one.. it may fix that misguided judgement of yours.
2) Since it is an MMO you will be able to group from the very first missions onward in a massive world.
3) Believe it or not, Star Wars isn't the only game with lightsabers. No More Heroes, PSU, Castle Crasher, to name just a few, and after playing those games online, you'd be surprised how many people choose the lightsabers over other traditional weapons.
Cheers.
This may be true, I may be surprised. But I am quite sure you will NOT be surprised at the number of people who chose traditional weapons over unrealistic heat beam swords.
Agreed, and people certainly don't say, more light sabers.
1) People call this an MMO because it is one. Check the stickys on ToR forums or this one.. it may fix that misguided judgement of yours.
2) Since it is an MMO you will be able to group from the very first missions onward in a massive world.
3) Believe it or not, Star Wars isn't the only game with lightsabers. No More Heroes, PSU, Castle Crasher, to name just a few, and after playing those games online, you'd be surprised how many people choose the lightsabers over other traditional weapons.
Cheers.
This may be true, I may be surprised. But I am quite sure you will NOT be surprised at the number of people who chose traditional weapons over unrealistic heat beam swords.
Well, theres always a chance that you won't need a lightsaber in ToR either, you can always use a vibroblade which can stand against light sabers if you wanted to. I would suspect at least a few bounty hunters would carry them.
What I'm trying to point out though is that even though you think the star wars staple lightsaber isn't popular, its been used in other games as well, where it wasn't always a necessity to choose it, but players do.. not to mention developers put them into games that don't have it as a mainstay for the series.
Just something to think about.
Agreed, and people certainly don't say, more light sabers.
1) People call this an MMO because it is one. Check the stickys on ToR forums or this one.. it may fix that misguided judgement of yours.
2) Since it is an MMO you will be able to group from the very first missions onward in a massive world.
3) Believe it or not, Star Wars isn't the only game with lightsabers. No More Heroes, PSU, Castle Crasher, to name just a few, and after playing those games online, you'd be surprised how many people choose the lightsabers over other traditional weapons.
Cheers.
This may be true, I may be surprised. But I am quite sure you will NOT be surprised at the number of people who chose traditional weapons over unrealistic heat beam swords.
Well, theres always a chance that you won't need a lightsaber in ToR either, you can always use a vibroblade which can stand against light sabers if you wanted to. I would suspect at least a few bounty hunters would carry them.
What I'm trying to point out though is that even though you think the star wars staple lightsaber isn't popular, its been used in other games as well, where it wasn't always a necessity to choose it, but players do.. not to mention developers put them into games that don't have it as a mainstay for the series.
Just something to think about.
Unfortunately, I am not just picking on the light sabre for light saber sake... Its just an example of the many facets of Star Wars that are unappealing to many people of my generation.
Star wars is Hella popular. Yes. But not to the majority of gamers.
Thus, I do not thikn the game will SURPASS its launch glory and i DO think it will regress to, say, a WAR level of popularity.
Agreed, and people certainly don't say, more light sabers.
1) People call this an MMO because it is one. Check the stickys on ToR forums or this one.. it may fix that misguided judgement of yours.
2) Since it is an MMO you will be able to group from the very first missions onward in a massive world.
3) Believe it or not, Star Wars isn't the only game with lightsabers. No More Heroes, PSU, Castle Crasher, to name just a few, and after playing those games online, you'd be surprised how many people choose the lightsabers over other traditional weapons.
Cheers.
This may be true, I may be surprised. But I am quite sure you will NOT be surprised at the number of people who chose traditional weapons over unrealistic heat beam swords.
Well, theres always a chance that you won't need a lightsaber in ToR either, you can always use a vibroblade which can stand against light sabers if you wanted to. I would suspect at least a few bounty hunters would carry them.
What I'm trying to point out though is that even though you think the star wars staple lightsaber isn't popular, its been used in other games as well, where it wasn't always a necessity to choose it, but players do.. not to mention developers put them into games that don't have it as a mainstay for the series.
Just something to think about.
Unfortunately, I am not just picking on the light sabre for light saber sake... Its just an example of the many facets of Star Wars that are unappealing to many people of my generation.
Star wars is Hella popular. Yes. But not to the majority of gamers.
Thus, I do not thikn the game will SURPASS its launch glory and i DO think it will regress to, say, a WAR level of popularity.
And that is your opinion.... on the flip side, I think that the old republic series is amazingly more popular then the recent final fantasy titles, by IP alone, ToR is in a far better state to hold a strong playerbase in comparison. If you think about it, they've got a strong market on children from cartoon movie releases, all the way up to players with the force unleashed which was targeted for teens on up and was also widely successful. Of course the older population 33+.. which is the average MMO gamer will ALSO know the IP love it or hate it... so I think they've got a strong demographic even if this game takes place so many years before the first movies came out. Whereas if you haven't owned a playstation or super nintendo in the last 15 years you'dve missed many of the FF games as well as their lackluster animated film (though I did like thee animated film with cloud)... not to mention.. nomatter how terrible lightsabers may seem, I get tired extremely quickly of chocobos...
Does that make sense?
Agreed, and people certainly don't say, more light sabers.
1) People call this an MMO because it is one. Check the stickys on ToR forums or this one.. it may fix that misguided judgement of yours.
2) Since it is an MMO you will be able to group from the very first missions onward in a massive world.
Cheers.
Yeah, a massive world broken into a thousand scripted instances, with NPC companions making it so that the only people you're likely to ever group with are friends from outside the game. Opens worlds do NOT exist with scripted instances. They are opposites.
Agreed, and people certainly don't say, more light sabers.
1) People call this an MMO because it is one. Check the stickys on ToR forums or this one.. it may fix that misguided judgement of yours.
2) Since it is an MMO you will be able to group from the very first missions onward in a massive world.
3) Believe it or not, Star Wars isn't the only game with lightsabers. No More Heroes, PSU, Castle Crasher, to name just a few, and after playing those games online, you'd be surprised how many people choose the lightsabers over other traditional weapons.
Cheers.
This may be true, I may be surprised. But I am quite sure you will NOT be surprised at the number of people who chose traditional weapons over unrealistic heat beam swords.
Well, theres always a chance that you won't need a lightsaber in ToR either, you can always use a vibroblade which can stand against light sabers if you wanted to. I would suspect at least a few bounty hunters would carry them.
What I'm trying to point out though is that even though you think the star wars staple lightsaber isn't popular, its been used in other games as well, where it wasn't always a necessity to choose it, but players do.. not to mention developers put them into games that don't have it as a mainstay for the series.
Just something to think about.
Unfortunately, I am not just picking on the light sabre for light saber sake... Its just an example of the many facets of Star Wars that are unappealing to many people of my generation.
Star wars is Hella popular. Yes. But not to the majority of gamers.
Thus, I do not thikn the game will SURPASS its launch glory and i DO think it will regress to, say, a WAR level of popularity.
And that is your opinion.... on the flip side, I think that the old republic series is amazingly more popular then the recent final fantasy titles, by IP alone, ToR is in a far better state to hold a strong playerbase in comparison. If you think about it, they've got a strong market on children from cartoon movie releases, all the way up to players with the force unleashed which was targeted for teens on up and was also widely successful. Of course the older population 33+.. which is the average MMO gamer will ALSO know the IP love it or hate it... so I think they've got a strong demographic even if this game takes place so many years before the first movies came out. Whereas if you haven't owned a playstation or super nintendo in the last 15 years you'dve missed many of the FF games as well as their lackluster animated film (though I did like thee animated film with cloud)... not to mention.. nomatter how terrible lightsabers may seem, I get tired extremely quickly of chocobos...
Does that make sense?
It does make sense,
But we have differing opinions on the strength of these cartoons on the the younger generations..
A) I don't the the age of the viewers of these shows has reached the age of being a 'power' in the success or failure of an MMO much less care either way about an IP.
I would wager that more people have played a Final Fantasy game than a Star Wars game. Add to that, I would wager that between those who have played FF and SW. The proportion of people who like FF is higher than the proportion who enjoyed teh SW games.
No way to prove me wrong or right.. its just my opinion.
Agreed, and people certainly don't say, more light sabers.
1) People call this an MMO because it is one. Check the stickys on ToR forums or this one.. it may fix that misguided judgement of yours.
2) Since it is an MMO you will be able to group from the very first missions onward in a massive world.
3) Believe it or not, Star Wars isn't the only game with lightsabers. No More Heroes, PSU, Castle Crasher, to name just a few, and after playing those games online, you'd be surprised how many people choose the lightsabers over other traditional weapons.
Cheers.
This may be true, I may be surprised. But I am quite sure you will NOT be surprised at the number of people who chose traditional weapons over unrealistic heat beam swords.
Well, theres always a chance that you won't need a lightsaber in ToR either, you can always use a vibroblade which can stand against light sabers if you wanted to. I would suspect at least a few bounty hunters would carry them.
What I'm trying to point out though is that even though you think the star wars staple lightsaber isn't popular, its been used in other games as well, where it wasn't always a necessity to choose it, but players do.. not to mention developers put them into games that don't have it as a mainstay for the series.
Just something to think about.
Unfortunately, I am not just picking on the light sabre for light saber sake... Its just an example of the many facets of Star Wars that are unappealing to many people of my generation.
Star wars is Hella popular. Yes. But not to the majority of gamers.
Thus, I do not thikn the game will SURPASS its launch glory and i DO think it will regress to, say, a WAR level of popularity.
And that is your opinion.... on the flip side, I think that the old republic series is amazingly more popular then the recent final fantasy titles, by IP alone, ToR is in a far better state to hold a strong playerbase in comparison. If you think about it, they've got a strong market on children from cartoon movie releases, all the way up to players with the force unleashed which was targeted for teens on up and was also widely successful. Of course the older population 33+.. which is the average MMO gamer will ALSO know the IP love it or hate it... so I think they've got a strong demographic even if this game takes place so many years before the first movies came out. Whereas if you haven't owned a playstation or super nintendo in the last 15 years you'dve missed many of the FF games as well as their lackluster animated film (though I did like thee animated film with cloud)... not to mention.. nomatter how terrible lightsabers may seem, I get tired extremely quickly of chocobos...
Does that make sense?
It does make sense,
But we have differing opinions on the strength of these cartoons on the the younger generations..
A) I don't the the age of the viewers of these shows has reached the age of being a 'power' in the success or failure of an MMO much less care either way about an IP.
I would wager that more people have played a Final Fantasy game than a Star Wars game. Add to that, I would wager that between those who have played FF and SW. The proportion of people who like FF is higher than the proportion who enjoyed teh SW games.
No way to prove me wrong or right.. its just my opinion.
Exactly, based upon your own preference eventhough you did mention you didn't play a star wars game before. I know your a final fantasy fan, which is why I used it as kind of a bait. Now we could go by the sales of each game... FF to SW and see which games out sold if I really wanted to make a point, but it isn't necessary... this isn't the "One game to rule them all" show, to each their own. You don't really understand it, I feel I understand it too well to not understand why you don't understand it.
Its at the point where we can successfully agree to disagree.. but it doesn't mean theres no room for ToR to be a success.. and it doesn't mean that just because ToR is a success, that FF won't be.
I have been playing SWG for years and I do like the OLD Star Wars movies. But will I play this game? No.
Why I'm not going to play this game:
I think thats about it.
Played:
From Earth & Beyond, Anarchy Online, Matrix Online, Star Wars Galaxies, World of Warcraft, Age of Conan, Tabula Rasa (Beta), EvE Online, City of Villians, Atlantica Online, Guild Wars, Lineage 2, Pirates of the Burning Sea, PlanetSide, RF Online, Second Life, Fallen Earth.
Troll threads make me laugh.
If you really think FF is more popular in the west than Star Wars...wooooooo. You got another thing coming.
Asian themes haven't gone over well in the west and chances are that won't change in 2011. It's been a repreated theme for a while now. However, most people know what Star Wars is all about. If I went out and asked random people if they knew what Star Wars was, they'd probably say yes.
If I asked them what Final Fantasy was they'd tilt their head a little bit and ask, "What's that? A porno?"
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Guys! I'm hopelessly lost in a mountain of mole hills! Them damn moles!
Well Star Wars have been around for 200 billion years and have generations after generations that have seen it or know what it is. Lucas have build an empire out it.
FF have also been around for a lot of years now and I'm sure that if you ask people from 10 up to maybe 40 today, might know what it is. It's one of the biggest in RPG and it also have movies etc. Maybe not that much like Star Wars... still it's huge.
And ofc people will know what Star Wars is about. The story is kind of simple. FF is much bigger if you look at the story.
Thats what I think. ^^
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From Earth & Beyond, Anarchy Online, Matrix Online, Star Wars Galaxies, World of Warcraft, Age of Conan, Tabula Rasa (Beta), EvE Online, City of Villians, Atlantica Online, Guild Wars, Lineage 2, Pirates of the Burning Sea, PlanetSide, RF Online, Second Life, Fallen Earth.
I don't think you've looked up much on the game. You've pretty much reserved yourself to not like the game nomatter what actual features it has, and thats okay.. alot of the community does that with new MMOs... but I think a few of your reasons there are somewhat unfounded seeing as how you duplicated the graphics one, and the story line "problem" was way off.
This is a fail post and one of 100s like it. If people paid attention there wouldn't be so much bullshit on these forums.
What the OP seems to fail to understand (i hate saying fail) is that star wars games will always outsell final fantasy games, maybe not individually, but if you think FF have even come close to SW games accumalative sales, then your very misinformed. Considering games like X wing vs Tie Fighter, set the stage for space sim games, and opened the doors for FPS's, RTS's along with RPG's, they've easily hit a much much larger audience.
If your questioning why making a star wars MMO is a good idea, then you really aren't tuned into common tastes. The star wars movies are practically the most popular trilogy or series of films ever made. They are historical. If you make anything and sell it, say, a cookie (example) and said, this is a star wars cookie, your sales would increase no matter what. There are alot more star wars fans than there are FF fans, but thats besides the point.
Swtor will do well because of the Kotor games, star wars as a whole, and Bioware's reputation with making games and telling stories through games. MMO or not, this is going to be a good game.
Longing for Skyrim, The Old Republic and Mass Effect 3
let me get this straight. you dont want to play ToR because it HAS an in depth storyline? you said you are a veteran of SWG? i would think that would be first on your list of things to look forward to. i myself played SWG for quite a long time. i all but yeared for more story. the story acrs in that game are so feeble and broken. and no, this game is not linear. and yes, if you start the same character ever, you will get the same story arc. however, if you start a different class, you will have a 100% different story from start to endgame. what's not to like about that? in SWG everyone has the exact same(broken) quests. as for the graphics in ToR, i applaud them.granted, they may not look realistic like some other newer games, but they flow well and wont be as choppy adding to the immersion of the game. but going with the comic book approach, they almost guarantee more subscriptions. the game engine will run on lower end machines. so basically, im confused. save for the item creation and housing in SWG(which i did really like) this game a year from completion already has the makings to be better than SWG in every single way. if you used a game like WoW for your argument, i might have understood that.
You're entitled to your opinion however I feel I should at least share where you're possibly wrong.
Provide a link where you are getting this "information" that the game is nothing but scripted instances.
Oh wait, don't bother trying to find the proof. BECAUSE YOU CAN'T. This idea is solely based on your own personal and highly slanted OPINION. Stop acting like it's fact.
The FACTS are that we do not have enough information regarding the game to make any of the assumptions you claim. The FACTS are that Bioware, EA and LucasArts have all been saying from day one that they are working on a MMORPG. The FACTS are that what little information we have are from Bioware who has emphasized their storyline content all while saying the game has PvP, Crafting, Auction Houses and all the other elements of a MMORPG.
Now maybe all three of those companies have no idea what a MMORPG is. Maybe Bioware, a company that has developed a good reputation in the gaming community, is lying through their teeth.
Or maybe some people are jumping to baseless assumptions dervied from too little information and need to stop trying to get a game removed from this site simply because the tiny bits of gameplay we have seen may not match with what they want to see.
People who respond saying i am a troll make ME laugh.
You have not read the majority of my posts.
Yes the average person knows Starwars, if not 90% of westerners
Unfortunately for your argument, 90% of westerners are noMMO gamers
My argument is that, Among MMO gamers, the majoiry of younger players have more affiliation and affinity for FF than SW.
If you as a 25 year old MMO lover what Final Fantasy is and they say a Porno, they deserve to be smacked. Just like a 50 year old movie buff deserves to be smacked for not knowing what SW is.
Its a demographic question within the gaming community.
Please READ!
I never said i played SWG as a VETERAN
i said i have NEVER PLAYED SWG and NEVER WILL.
Sheez.
People who respond saying i am a troll make ME laugh.
You have not read the majority of my posts.
Yes the average person knows Starwars, if not 90% of westerners
Unfortunately for your argument, 90% of westerners are noMMO gamers
My argument is that, Among MMO gamers, the majoiry of younger players have more affiliation and affinity for FF than SW.
If you as a 25 year old MMO lover what Final Fantasy is and they say a Porno, they deserve to be smacked. Just like a 50 year old movie buff deserves to be smacked for not knowing what SW is.
Its a demographic question within the gaming community.
More people, more gamers.. will know the star wars franchise then the FF franchise.. there have been many more star wars games out there then FF. Final fantasy has had what.... 12.. maybe 13 games out there? Star wars has had more then 12 games released just in the past 6 years. Final fantasy has maybe.. 3 movies available? Star wars has 6 live action non-ewok only films alone.. not to mention the tv show, and the animated films.
Star Wars has also had cameos in soul caliber and other games as well... but soul caliber was quite recent and was highly popular due to the cameos. (Link from Zelda was also a cameo in the wii version)
Also, in the BioWare interview today, this question was asked that I thought was kind of interesting :
7:39:07 -Nanocrystal asks: As Western RPGs take-off (Fallout 3, Oblivion, Mass Effect 1/2, Dragon Age, Fable III), JRPGs seem to be on the decline. What's going on?
Ray Muzyka: It may depend on the audience - JRPGs still seem pretty popular to some Western fans and to Japanese fans. And I know I always check out what Square Enix does. Perhaps the difference with Western style RPGs is that there is generally more opportunity for choice and customization and personalization of the experience.
Just interesting that BioWare brought up SE. A small plug if you will, however, I'd have to agree that in the west, JRPGs are on a decline and have been for a while.
People who respond saying i am a troll make ME laugh.
You have not read the majority of my posts.
Yes the average person knows Starwars, if not 90% of westerners
Unfortunately for your argument, 90% of westerners are noMMO gamers
My argument is that, Among MMO gamers, the majoiry of younger players have more affiliation and affinity for FF than SW.
If you as a 25 year old MMO lover what Final Fantasy is and they say a Porno, they deserve to be smacked. Just like a 50 year old movie buff deserves to be smacked for not knowing what SW is.
Its a demographic question within the gaming community.
More people, more gamers.. will know the star wars franchise then the FF franchise.. there have been many more star wars games out there then FF. Final fantasy has had what.... 12.. maybe 13 games out there? Star wars has had more then 12 games released just in the past 6 years. Final fantasy has maybe.. 3 movies available? Star wars has 6 live action non-ewok only films alone.. not to mention the tv show, and the animated films.
Star Wars has also had cameos in soul caliber and other games as well... but soul caliber was quite recent and was highly popular due to the cameos. (Link from Zelda was also a cameo in the wii version)
Also, in the BioWare interview today, this question was asked that I thought was kind of interesting :
7:39:07 -Nanocrystal asks: As Western RPGs take-off (Fallout 3, Oblivion, Mass Effect 1/2, Dragon Age, Fable III), JRPGs seem to be on the decline. What's going on?
Ray Muzyka: It may depend on the audience - JRPGs still seem pretty popular to some Western fans and to Japanese fans. And I know I always check out what Square Enix does. Perhaps the difference with Western style RPGs is that there is generally more opportunity for choice and customization and personalization of the experience.
Just interesting that BioWare brought up SE. A small plug if you will, however, I'd have to agree that in the west, JRPGs are on a decline and have been for a while.
Exactly. Couldn't have said it better.
Asian themed games (Unless we are talking like AoC's expansion) simply aren't that popular, in all western demographics. I'm sure FF has a following and most likely a fairly big one too, but Star Wars is much bigger and I'm positive more gamers would be interested in a Star Wars game rather than a FF game.
We'll see when they come out though. I should save this thread and come back a year and a half from now and we can talk then hehe.
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Guys! I'm hopelessly lost in a mountain of mole hills! Them damn moles!