My original point was that the sheer love of SW or Bioware will sell box copies, and in the areas where the game fails to deliver, it will continue to retain *some* of them again based on sheer SW/Bioware love (See how WAR stays afloat with such *popular opinion* on how it sucks). While retention speaks for the success of a particular MMO, the success of the established IPs and development house will *sell* the game on name alone, from there it's a game of what people are willing to put up with vs how badly they really need to stay loyal to the two factors at hand.
So we agree then, it will be a hit for a month, then not even top ten!
I'm actually saying there is no telling how retention will be, but you are *guaranteed* to have clingy SW and Bioware fans that are too reluctant to leave. There is no telling the size of this crowd either. It could leave a playerbase bigger than that of Aion, WAR, AoC, and any other game running in the states and Europe after their dropoffs post-launch. At that point, it could still be top 3, because there ain't much to speak for when it comes to the current top ten.
You're not just arguing against whether SW fans will stick to it, you gotta think about Bioware fans that are jumping at a chance for their first MMO - doesn't even matter that it's KotOR.
I agree with you. But , In MY opinion ,the group is small
I agree with you. But , In MY opinion ,the group is small
You need to start using relative thinking; small compared to *what*?
The meager amount of players still in AoC, or the diehard Games Workshop fans still in WAR, or Lin fanatics porting over to Aion for an extended stay because NCsoft is their God?
I have to propose to you that SW fandom + Bioware fandom eclipses them all. You would think LotR fandom would hold stronger than it does to keep LotrO alive, but that is a point in your favor to where even the most hardcore fan can only put up with so much. So then, we need concrete proof to how much fail this game really is.
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Originally posted by Newmeanie Interesting comparison and I totally agree with you. But I my argument still stands that I think the game will fail soon and retain only people who really want to play star wars games. People in GENERAL dont want to pay each month for single player campaigns! If Dragon age Origins was 15 bucks a month, noone would buy it, even if it was 7 different story arcs for different classes! I mean common ,its STAR WARS, the only time people REFERENCE star wars is to JOKE about how CORNY it is
Full disclosure here. I am more looking forward to FFXIV than STAR WARS, but I will bet you anything that Star Wars will have a higher subscriber based than FFXIV a year after their release. For you to say that Star Wars will flame out after a month is a great "F U" to Bioware. Bioware is an awesome company that has a track record or knowing what's it's doing.
The biggest reason that Star Wars will do well is that the game design appeals to a larger fan base. The game will have pve and pvp. Some people prefer one or the other, others like both in a game. Star Wars offers both. I'm not saying Star Wars pve will be better than FFXIV, but the game just offers something different. FFXIV 's design is more eastern (group play emphasized over solo,etc.) The western market prefers mmo's similar to wow than to FFXI.
Star Wars gameplay will be far similar to a Western MMO than an Eastern.
Both games could be amazing and I hope they are, but a majority of Western gamers will like the elements of Star Wars over FFXIV.
But you are VERY VERY wrong to think this game will flame out.
If anything, this game is getting a big backlash from the current mmo market in that people arnt' happy with the "story driven" approach. Mark my words, this falls perfectly with Bioware's plans. People are now under estimating Star Wars and thinking it's going to suck. Can you imagine what's going to happen when this game doesn't suck? and doesn't suck by a big margin?
This game will have 500k subscribers in the first year, and most likely peaking at 2 million in a few years. Bioware and Blizzard are equals in every sense of the word. Blizzard has met its match.
Originally posted by Newmeanie Interesting comparison and I totally agree with you. But I my argument still stands that I think the game will fail soon and retain only people who really want to play star wars games. People in GENERAL dont want to pay each month for single player campaigns! If Dragon age Origins was 15 bucks a month, noone would buy it, even if it was 7 different story arcs for different classes! I mean common ,its STAR WARS, the only time people REFERENCE star wars is to JOKE about how CORNY it is
Full disclosure here. I am more looking forward to FFXIV than STAR WARS, but I will bet you anything that Star Wars will have a higher subscriber based than FFXIV a year after their release. For you to say that Star Wars will flame out after a month is a great "F U" to Bioware. Bioware is an awesome company that has a track record or knowing what's it's doing.
The biggest reason that Star Wars will do well is that the game design appeals to a larger fan base. The game will have pve and pvp. Some people prefer one or the other, others like both in a game. Star Wars offers both. I'm not saying Star Wars pve will be better than FFXIV, but the game just offers something different. FFXIV 's design is more eastern (group play emphasized over solo,etc.) The western market prefers mmo's similar to wow than to FFXI.
Star Wars gameplay will be far similar to a Western MMO than an Eastern.
Both games could be amazing and I hope they are, but a majority of Western gamers will like the elements of Star Wars over FFXIV.
But you are VERY VERY wrong to think this game will flame out.
If anything, this game is getting a big backlash from the current mmo market in that people arnt' happy with the "story driven" approach. Mark my words, this falls perfectly with Bioware's plans. People are no under estimating Star Wars and thinking it's going to suck. Can you imagine what's going to happen when this game doesn't suck? and doesn't suck by a big margin?
This game will have 500k subscribers in the first year, and most likely peaking at 2 million in a few years. Bioware and Blizzard are equals in every sense of the word. Blizzard has met its match.
You had a decent argument until the last sentence.
I wonder how many times Ill say it until people stop using "Blizzard" in every post.
Nothing will "meet WoW" there is no "match" tehre was no EQ 'match' nor will there be a WoW 'match'
The next generation of gamers will simply ignore WoW as an option, just like new gamers nowadays simply skim over EQ when choosing to enter the MMO market, its just OUT OF DATE.
Theres not going to be an OMGWTF THIS IS SO COOL!!! game that takes 9 million people from WoW.. it will just slowly fade away.
That said, I see no basis for why you say this game is so great and everyone is looking forward to it and in teh same statement say everyone is unhappy with story approaches. People dont want to listen, read, or care about the story.
Yea some of you do, but not 60% of the MMO population, and thats conservative.
This will NOT kill wow, there is NO WAY to KILL wow at all, we just have to wait for it to fade away.
I think SWTOR will be a smash hit for a few weeks, then fade out as people realize this sucks its just STAR WARS and go play something else.
In case there is a sense in which the OP genuinely doesn't get it and would like to, I have to ask: when if ever did the OP play KOTOR (the single player RPG released in 2003) ?
Shortly put, the SW prequels were a lot like the muppets as far as I'm concerned, but KOTOR saved the entire SW IP for me. KOTOR was such a revolutionary RPG that it could have spawned an original IP from scratch, but instead they not only revived the SW franchise for me but took it beyond to new heights that were never reached by the original SW movies.
So for me, and a lot of other gamers, TOR is the primary SW product now, and the other Lucas products are secondary and targeted at other audiences. There is also a huge body of fans who stayed loyal through the prequels, and they will potentially check out TOR. These are people who like the muppets (no offense) if they are SW flavored, so of course they will love TOR and subscribe forever, since it will be a high quality product.
I never said it wasnt a cultural ICON! of coruse its an ICON, everyone KNOWS what it is, everyone RESPECTS it to a certain extent. That does NOT make it POPULAR . Everyone knows who freaking Paris Hilton is, that doesnt make her POPULAR.
The most ridiculous thing I have heard yet, and only makes me conjure whether SW is something that is "cool to hate" for you.... like Paris Hilton. SW is crazy popular, and how that can be denied in any form is craziness on your part.
No, actually, speaking from personal experience and observation, its not nearly as popular as you feel it is.
Your disbelief does nothing to change that fact and when this game launches you'll see how many people really don't care about SW's or Bioware.
Doesn't mean it won't be a successful game, just not the huge success you seem to feel it will be based strictly on its IP.
"Personal experience and observation" ? Is that a joke? You have no better opinion on the matter then the rest of us. The force unleashed (which was a star wars game) was one of the most popular games of 2008 selling over 1.5 million copies in under 1 week. Have you seen the sales records of BioWares games recently? Dragon Age was rated best Role Playing Game of 2009. I think you're sadly mistaken if you think we'll see anything other then this game beating expectations.
Im the type of person who never liked Star Wars at all (didnt like the movies, games, toys, etc).
I was bored as hell one day at the mall and picked up KOTOR with a gift card to some really expensive music store (that is now long out of business due to it being like $10 more for a CD there than anywhere else...). I didnt expect to like the game because it was star wars, but it was the only thing there for PC games that wasnt 'Deer Hunter'.
I ended up loving the game. From there on I played any Bioware game I could find and found that their games were really well done (from the whole Story aspect and characters).
I still dont like Star Wars. But I will most likely try TOR.
I am sure there are a few people out there like me.
I just hope that maybe Bioware will make a Mass Effect based MMO someday down the line.
There are 3 types of people in the world. 1.) Those who make things happen 2.) Those who watch things happen 3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
I never said it wasnt a cultural ICON! of coruse its an ICON, everyone KNOWS what it is, everyone RESPECTS it to a certain extent. That does NOT make it POPULAR . Everyone knows who freaking Paris Hilton is, that doesnt make her POPULAR.
The most ridiculous thing I have heard yet, and only makes me conjure whether SW is something that is "cool to hate" for you.... like Paris Hilton. SW is crazy popular, and how that can be denied in any form is craziness on your part.
No, actually, speaking from personal experience and observation, its not nearly as popular as you feel it is.
Your disbelief does nothing to change that fact and when this game launches you'll see how many people really don't care about SW's or Bioware.
Doesn't mean it won't be a successful game, just not the huge success you seem to feel it will be based strictly on its IP.
"Personal experience and observation" ? Is that a joke? You have no better opinion on the matter then the rest of us. The force unleashed (which was a star wars game) was one of the most popular games of 2008 selling over 1.5 million copies in under 1 week. Have you seen the sales records of BioWares games recently? Dragon Age was rated best Role Playing Game of 2009. I think you're sadly mistaken if you think we'll see anything other then this game beating expectations.
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I did not ever say this game wouldnt sell
This game will sell like hto cakes, millions of copies
It will sell because of Bioware, because of SW and because of the new innovations.
I dont think it will MAINTAIN popularity, I think the general playerbase will not favor the storyline approach.
I think the Star Wars feel will get old fast, its been done before and its freaking Star Wars, MOST Star Wars fans are over 30. and MOST gamers are 25 and under.
There has been only ONE person that has altered my argument, and that alters it to include BIOWARE as a reason for clinging to the game, not sole SW. This group DOES exist and I did not count it. But my argument remains, I don't think enuff young gamers will cling to SW and BIoware in order to make this game a long term success.
In case there is a sense in which the OP genuinely doesn't get it and would like to, I have to ask: when if ever did the OP play KOTOR (the single player RPG released in 2003) ? Shortly put, the SW prequels were a lot like the muppets as far as I'm concerned, but KOTOR saved the entire SW IP for me. KOTOR was such a revolutionary RPG that it could have spawned an original IP from scratch, but instead they not only revived the SW franchise for me but took it beyond to new heights that were never reached by the original SW movies. So for me, and a lot of other gamers, TOR is the primary SW product now, and the other Lucas products are secondary and targeted at other audiences. There is also a huge body of fans who stayed loyal through the prequels, and they will potentially check out TOR. These are people who like the muppets (no offense) if they are SW flavored, so of course they will love TOR and subscribe forever, since it will be a high quality product.
Nope, never played SW games. I can't be bothered, too many toher titles exist. Just because I do not play them does not mean i have not researched their popularity before posting. I know of the popuarity of Single player star wars games and of the previous popularity of SWG.
This does no convert to TOR, it is a different game altogether than SWG and other single players because of its online aspect and storyline focus.
I have said. Time and Freaking Time again. I am saying that the majority of online gamers do not want to hear the storyline, they want to kill stuff and kill people and put themselves ahead of others.
This game is not focusing on that, and thus will die SOON after release. You know, maybe not a month. but certainly within 2 or 3. But, yea...
There has been only ONE person that has altered my argument, and that alters it to include BIOWARE as a reason for clinging to the game, not sole SW. This group DOES exist and I did not count it. But my argument remains, I don't think enuff young gamers will cling to SW and BIoware in order to make this game a long term success.
You're 22. Based on that I'll say young to you is around the age 12-17. Did you know those ages are a minority in the MMO genre? The young crowd often follows friends, one friend makes a decision to move to a MMO he will bring all his PC using friends. Your argument is flawed.
There has been only ONE person that has altered my argument, and that alters it to include BIOWARE as a reason for clinging to the game, not sole SW. This group DOES exist and I did not count it. But my argument remains, I don't think enuff young gamers will cling to SW and BIoware in order to make this game a long term success.
You're 22. Based on that I'll say young to you is around the age 12-17. Did you know those ages are a minority in the MMO genre? The young crowd often follows friends, one friend makes a decision to move to a MMO he will bring all his PC using friends. Your argument is flawed.
Nope! young to me is ME! and I am probably the majority.
There has been only ONE person that has altered my argument, and that alters it to include BIOWARE as a reason for clinging to the game, not sole SW. This group DOES exist and I did not count it. But my argument remains, I don't think enuff young gamers will cling to SW and BIoware in order to make this game a long term success.
You're 22. Based on that I'll say young to you is around the age 12-17. Did you know those ages are a minority in the MMO genre? The young crowd often follows friends, one friend makes a decision to move to a MMO he will bring all his PC using friends. Your argument is flawed.
Nope! young to me is ME! and I am probably the majority.
There has been only ONE person that has altered my argument, and that alters it to include BIOWARE as a reason for clinging to the game, not sole SW. This group DOES exist and I did not count it. But my argument remains, I don't think enuff young gamers will cling to SW and BIoware in order to make this game a long term success.
You're 22. Based on that I'll say young to you is around the age 12-17. Did you know those ages are a minority in the MMO genre? The young crowd often follows friends, one friend makes a decision to move to a MMO he will bring all his PC using friends. Your argument is flawed.
Nope! young to me is ME! and I am probably the majority.
There has been only ONE person that has altered my argument, and that alters it to include BIOWARE as a reason for clinging to the game, not sole SW. This group DOES exist and I did not count it. But my argument remains, I don't think enuff young gamers will cling to SW and BIoware in order to make this game a long term success.
You're 22. Based on that I'll say young to you is around the age 12-17. Did you know those ages are a minority in the MMO genre? The young crowd often follows friends, one friend makes a decision to move to a MMO he will bring all his PC using friends. Your argument is flawed.
Nope! young to me is ME! and I am probably the majority.
Majority is 25+.
can you post this statistic? please?
"In fact, only 25% of MMORPG players are teenagers. About 50% of MMORPG players work full-time. About 36% of players are married, and 22% have children. So the MMORPG demographic is fairly diverse, including high-school students, college students, early professionals, middle-aged home-makers, as well as retirees. In other words, MMORPGs do not only appeal to a youth subculture."
Originally posted by Greed_0104 "In fact, only 25% of MMORPG players are teenagers. About 50% of MMORPG players work full-time. About 36% of players are married, and 22% have children. So the MMORPG demographic is fairly diverse, including high-school students, college students, early professionals, middle-aged home-makers, as well as retirees. In other words, MMORPGs do not only appeal to a youth subculture." www.nickyee.com/daedalus/gateway_demographics.html You can find other more resent links around stating the same thing. Unless of coarse, you believe 25% is a majority.
I agree that teenagers do nto constitute the majority ,I would perosnally say its probably 20s and early thirties, so yea, married and kids and working fulltime.
We have no disagreement.
This is still the age that would not be so culturally OBSESSED with SW, they simply know about it, respect it to a certain extent, and ignore it to a greater extent.
It is not as culturally important to 20-30 year olds as LOTR , say.
EDIT: That post even says only 22% of us have kids!
most people who grew up with A new hope are 45+ and have children!
In case there is a sense in which the OP genuinely doesn't get it and would like to, I have to ask: when if ever did the OP play KOTOR (the single player RPG released in 2003) ?
Nope, never played SW games. I can't be bothered, too many toher titles exist. Just because I do not play them does not mean i have not researched their popularity before posting. I know of the popuarity of Single player star wars games and of the previous popularity of SWG.
Well, that's why you don't get it, you are missing a huge data point (the direct precursor to TOR). We all think about MMOs and analyze them, that is nothing special. In this case the thread title results from you missing data, not having a superior analysis.
In case there is a sense in which the OP genuinely doesn't get it and would like to, I have to ask: when if ever did the OP play KOTOR (the single player RPG released in 2003) ?
Nope, never played SW games. I can't be bothered, too many toher titles exist. Just because I do not play them does not mean i have not researched their popularity before posting. I know of the popuarity of Single player star wars games and of the previous popularity of SWG.
Well, that's why you don't get it, you are missing a huge data point (the direct precursor to TOR). We all think about MMOs and analyze them, that is nothing special. In this case the thread title results from you missing data, not having a superior analysis.
Meh, difference of opinion there, I believe my research was adequate.
First of all noone can predict the longevity of the game or whether it will be successfull after 2-3 years. Many factors come into play in predicting whether this it will be a financial behemoth in the long term and most of them have to do with how good the game really is and how time consuming the replayability of the game will be, both of which remain to be seen
Since we seem to agree on the initial success of the game, you have two basic arguments against its long term success . 1) The Star Wars fans are older than 30 years old , thus they wont be interested in this game (in the long term at least) and 2) The MMO playerbase in under 25 thus the game will not be successful (again in the long term). In my humble opinion both arguments have issues. Allow me to explain:
1) Star Wars fan base is not that old. Lucasfilm was very smart the way they designed their last 3 movies. It was obvious they were targeting younger audiences. Lucas himself even admited it in many interviews. Did they succeed? Very much so. If you pay some attention to the grosses of the 3 last films along with the demographics (data available in various sources ox office Mojo, Imdb etc) you will understand that along with older audiences, the last movies attracted youngsters. Notice also the follow ups to the movies. Cartoon series, The whole clone wars thing (I mean the cgi cartoon) along with the movie. Do these look like follow ups that target mature audiences? Lucasfilm's prime target with the new movies and cartoon series was and is younger audiences and from a business standpoint that is the best choise they could make because they can attract more revenues from them (enter merchandising, video games -->TOR etc). On the whole, Lucasfilm played this one beautifully.
2)MMO gamers are under 25. That is not true you know.....Look at the video game industry. We are talking about one of the fastest growing industries in general. You know why? Because the previous generation which grew up playing video games continue to do so today. This means that the playerbase in general has doubled since younger gamers are added to the mix. Just notice the investments happening from major corporations trying to evolve the whole gaming experience ( from Nintendos Wii to Microsofts new system). MMO's are eight in the center of this. Warcrafts finacial suceess has expanded the online market. Its in the best interestof other companies to capitilize on this growth. As far as TOR is concerned, the older audiences of the movies, those who are still gamers at least, will be attracted to the game along with younger players (the marketing ground has already been prepared for them).
On the whole TOR will come out with perfect timing. It will attract audiences from a wide range.
Whether this game will be financially successfull after 2 years remains to be seen. This is where the Bioware factor comes in. If the game is good then it will keep its customers. And given Biowares track record this is most likely to happen.
Originally posted by Greed_0104 "In fact, only 25% of MMORPG players are teenagers. About 50% of MMORPG players work full-time. About 36% of players are married, and 22% have children. So the MMORPG demographic is fairly diverse, including high-school students, college students, early professionals, middle-aged home-makers, as well as retirees. In other words, MMORPGs do not only appeal to a youth subculture." www.nickyee.com/daedalus/gateway_demographics.html You can find other more resent links around stating the same thing. Unless of coarse, you believe 25% is a majority.
I agree that teenagers do nto constitute the majority ,I would perosnally say its probably 20s and early thirties, so yea, married and kids and working fulltime.
We have no disagreement.
This is still the age that would not be so culturally OBSESSED with SW, they simply know about it, respect it to a certain extent, and ignore it to a greater extent.
It is not as culturally important to 20-30 year olds as LOTR , say.
EDIT: That post even says only 22% of us have kids!
most people who grew up with A new hope are 45+ and have children!
Let me remind you of something
"I just don't get it.
I do not see a MMO based on STAR WARS being excessively popular for more than a month.
Its a fun idea, but its not a lasting impression, i mean... Its freaking star wars.
Thats like making a Muppets MMO."
Your original post, which was not constructive at all. Lacked any detail as to why you believe this. Star Wars is constantly advancing. You also fail at basic research and knowledge. What about the Clone Wars series reaching out to the new generation while having the modern and old watching it. Not to mention the countless games LA has being very popular, Force Unleashed for example, Jedi Knight, KoTOR, Battlefront.
First off, many of the comments are uneducated. Read up before you wanna bash something. I'm all for one about constructive criticism, but about the only valid point here i've seen mention is that some are fearful about the massive emphasis devs are putting on the story line.
Yes they, and i'm excitedly waiting for this game, and that's a concern for me as well. I play an MMO purely to group with others, not to play a single player game. I left Champions Online for that reason alone. It was actually counter-productive to group 95% of the time.
You folks need to remember that Bioware has been extremely tight lipped about this game. They've been throwing little teasers to the public for the past year, just to keep them excited, but nothing more. There's been no mention of how PvP will work, or how the crafting system will work, or housing, etc... There's really been no mention of group play other than some story arc instances you can co-op. I'm not sure how one can bash anything as of yet as there's really nothing in these regards to bash yet.
I hear poor feedback about the IP. Hate to break this to you, but WoW had an IP before release, and so has many other successful MMO's. It does not have to be around a movie to be classified as that.
Also, i hear about their lack of creativity involved around a IP MMO. I would have to agree. LOTRO is testamount to that. Thing is, as i recall, i don't ever recall a movie around the timeline 3000 years before Darth Vader's birth. So in that respect, they have much creativity. In fact, 95% of the story written has been created by Bioware. Yes, they have the same story arch type, jedi, sith, lightsabers, and lasers... But that is what is so appealing about Star Wars. What geek (yeah i'm in the category too) doesn't like space warfare, cool planets, and funky aliens. Add the appeal of a good sword fight, and you have a winner. Lucas clearly saw that vision.
People also spoke about a SW MMO dying fast. That's clearly been proven wrong. SWG has been out for years, even AFTER Sony fingered their entire customer base with a big "F-U" and literally destroyed the game. Die hard fans still keep that game alive and it has stood the test of time (and no, i don't play that game currently). So put a company like Bioware's track record up, and a IP MMO type game that has already stood the test of time, and more likely than not, you'll have a winner.
Sorry for the long rant. If you've read this far, well i thank you for your time. If you're one of the hating trolls, go ahead and reply. if you notice by my post count and join date here, i'll most likely never respond to you.
In closing, I think it is a bit premature to bash this yet. Yes, maybe one day i may become one of the haters, but let's get more information, or even some gameplay experience before we bash the hell out of something that many are clearly eager and waiting patiently for its release.
Mate, First of all noone can predict the longevity of the game or whether it will be successfull after 2-3 years. Many factors come into play in predicting whether this it will be a financial behemoth in the long term and most of them have to do with how good the game really is and how time consuming the replayability of the game will be, both of which remain to be seen Since we seem to agree on the initial success of the game, you have two basic arguments against its long term success . 1) The Star Wars fans are older than 30 years old , thus they wont be interested in this game (in the long term at least) and 2) The MMO playerbase in under 25 thus the game will not be successful (again in the long term). In my humble opinion both arguments have issues. Allow me to explain: 1) Star Wars fan base is not that old. Lucasfilm was very smart the way they designed their last 3 movies. It was obvious they were targeting younger audiences. Lucas himself even admited it in many interviews. Did they succeed? Very much so. If you pay some attention to the grosses of the 3 last films along with the demographics (data available in various sources ox office Mojo, Imdb etc) you will understand that along with older audiences, the last movies attracted youngsters. Notice also the follow ups to the movies. Cartoon series, The whole clone wars thing (I mean the cgi cartoon) along with the movie. Do these look like follow ups that target mature audiences? Lucasfilm's prime target with the new movies and cartoon series was and is younger audiences and from a business standpoint that is the best choise they could make because they can attract more revenues from them (enter merchandising, video games -->TOR etc). On the whole, Lucasfilm played this one beautifully. 2)MMO gamers are under 25. That is not true you know.....Look at the video game industry. We are talking about one of the fastest growing industries in general. You know why? Because the previous generation which grew up playing video games continue to do so today. This means that the playerbase in general has doubled since younger gamers are added to the mix. Just notice the investments happening from major corporations trying to evolve the whole gaming experience ( from Nintendos Wii to Microsofts new system). MMO's are eight in the center of this. Warcrafts finacial suceess has expanded the online market. Its in the best interestof other companies to capitilize on this growth. As far as TOR is concerned, the older audiences of the movies, those who are still gamers at least, will be attracted to the game along with younger players (the marketing ground has already been prepared for them). On the whole TOR will come out with perfect timing. It will attract audiences from a wide range. Whether this game will be financially successfull after 2 years remains to be seen. This is where the Bioware factor comes in. If the game is good then it will keep its customers. And given Biowares track record this is most likely to happen.
A valid opinion thanks for posting.
But to be honest, I feel much of the Lucasfilm income is due to it simply just be STAR WARS. under any other title it would NOT smell as sweet.
Just like this game, it is STAR WARS so it will initially do well, but it will fall because it just aint that great when u get PAST the SW part of it.
and due to the age of video gamers, there have been 2 posts, one by myself, regarding the statistcal evalution of the age of gamers and it is generally between 20-early thirties. these are not the ages of the OBSESSED star wars people.
And hey, I'm not saying star wars isnt POPULAR per se, i mean it is not what the general person wants to spend all their day thinking about... I don't think the average gamer wants to look at lightsabres all day its just too retro, its not new, and after the face of it, its not fun anymore.
I never said it wasnt a cultural ICON! of coruse its an ICON, everyone KNOWS what it is, everyone RESPECTS it to a certain extent. That does NOT make it POPULAR . Everyone knows who freaking Paris Hilton is, that doesnt make her POPULAR.
The most ridiculous thing I have heard yet, and only makes me conjure whether SW is something that is "cool to hate" for you.... like Paris Hilton. SW is crazy popular, and how that can be denied in any form is craziness on your part.
No, actually, speaking from personal experience and observation, its not nearly as popular as you feel it is.
Your disbelief does nothing to change that fact and when this game launches you'll see how many people really don't care about SW's or Bioware.
Doesn't mean it won't be a successful game, just not the huge success you seem to feel it will be based strictly on its IP.
"Personal experience and observation" ? Is that a joke? You have no better opinion on the matter then the rest of us. The force unleashed (which was a star wars game) was one of the most popular games of 2008 selling over 1.5 million copies in under 1 week. Have you seen the sales records of BioWares games recently? Dragon Age was rated best Role Playing Game of 2009. I think you're sadly mistaken if you think we'll see anything other then this game beating expectations.
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I did not ever say this game wouldnt sell
This game will sell like hto cakes, millions of copies
It will sell because of Bioware, because of SW and because of the new innovations.
I dont think it will MAINTAIN popularity, I think the general playerbase will not favor the storyline approach.
I think the Star Wars feel will get old fast, its been done before and its freaking Star Wars, MOST Star Wars fans are over 30. and MOST gamers are 25 and under.
Newmeanie this post was not directed at you and for the record I have read all of your posts... every post in this thread actually, this was directed at Kyleran.
On the demographic, I think BioWare will hit it directly where they were looking to. What this really boils down to is the game quality. A big part of your complaint NewMeanie was that there were so many other titles to play... but any game that has any manner of success would be worth playing, wouldn't you say? It seems like you've purposely stayed away from Star Wars games. As far as science fiction goes, they come up with some of the most exciting games ranging from RTS to RPG to flight simulators. So what I'm asking is, star wars aside, if this game was made with the quality and mastery that all bioware games seem to have, would you play it?
So much hate in this thread... wow. First off, many of the comments are uneducated. Read up before you wanna bash something. I'm all for one about constructive criticism, but about the only valid point here i've seen mention is that some are fearful about the massive emphasis devs are putting on the story line. Yes they, and i'm excitedly waiting for this game, and that's a concern for me as well. I play an MMO purely to group with others, not to play a single player game. I left Champions Online for that reason alone. It was actually counter-productive to group 95% of the time. You folks need to remember that Bioware has been extremely tight lipped about this game. They've been throwing little teasers to the public for the past year, just to keep them excited, but nothing more. There's been no mention of how PvP will work, or how the crafting system will work, or housing, etc... There's really been no mention of group play other than some story arc instances you can co-op. I'm not sure how one can bash anything as of yet as there's really nothing in these regards to bash yet. I hear poor feedback about the IP. Hate to break this to you, but WoW had an IP before release, and so has many other successful MMO's. It does not have to be around a movie to be classified as that. Also, i hear about their lack of creativity involved around a IP MMO. I would have to agree. LOTRO is testamount to that. Thing is, as i recall, i don't ever recall a movie around the timeline 3000 years before Darth Vader's birth. So in that respect, they have much creativity. In fact, 95% of the story written has been created by Bioware. Yes, they have the same story arch type, jedi, sith, lightsabers, and lasers... But that is what is so appealing about Star Wars. What geek (yeah i'm in the category too) doesn't like space warfare, cool planets, and funky aliens. Add the appeal of a good sword fight, and you have a winner. Lucas clearly saw that vision. People also spoke about a SW MMO dying fast. That's clearly been proven wrong. SWG has been out for years, even AFTER Sony fingered their entire customer base with a big "F-U" and literally destroyed the game. Die hard fans still keep that game alive and it has stood the test of time (and no, i don't play that game currently). So put a company like Bioware's track record up, and a IP MMO type game that has already stood the test of time, and more likely than not, you'll have a winner.
Sorry for the long rant. If you've read this far, well i thank you for your time. If you're one of the hating trolls, go ahead and reply. if you notice by my post count and join date here, i'll most likely never respond to you. In closing, I think it is a bit premature to bash this yet. Yes, maybe one day i may become one of the haters, but let's get more information, or even some gameplay experience before we bash the hell out of something that many are clearly eager and waiting patiently for its release.
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So we agree then, it will be a hit for a month, then not even top ten!
I'm actually saying there is no telling how retention will be, but you are *guaranteed* to have clingy SW and Bioware fans that are too reluctant to leave. There is no telling the size of this crowd either. It could leave a playerbase bigger than that of Aion, WAR, AoC, and any other game running in the states and Europe after their dropoffs post-launch. At that point, it could still be top 3, because there ain't much to speak for when it comes to the current top ten.
You're not just arguing against whether SW fans will stick to it, you gotta think about Bioware fans that are jumping at a chance for their first MMO - doesn't even matter that it's KotOR.
I agree with you.
But , In MY opinion ,the group is small
You need to start using relative thinking; small compared to *what*?
The meager amount of players still in AoC, or the diehard Games Workshop fans still in WAR, or Lin fanatics porting over to Aion for an extended stay because NCsoft is their God?
I have to propose to you that SW fandom + Bioware fandom eclipses them all. You would think LotR fandom would hold stronger than it does to keep LotrO alive, but that is a point in your favor to where even the most hardcore fan can only put up with so much. So then, we need concrete proof to how much fail this game really is.
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Full disclosure here. I am more looking forward to FFXIV than STAR WARS, but I will bet you anything that Star Wars will have a higher subscriber based than FFXIV a year after their release. For you to say that Star Wars will flame out after a month is a great "F U" to Bioware. Bioware is an awesome company that has a track record or knowing what's it's doing.
The biggest reason that Star Wars will do well is that the game design appeals to a larger fan base. The game will have pve and pvp. Some people prefer one or the other, others like both in a game. Star Wars offers both. I'm not saying Star Wars pve will be better than FFXIV, but the game just offers something different. FFXIV 's design is more eastern (group play emphasized over solo,etc.) The western market prefers mmo's similar to wow than to FFXI.
Star Wars gameplay will be far similar to a Western MMO than an Eastern.
Both games could be amazing and I hope they are, but a majority of Western gamers will like the elements of Star Wars over FFXIV.
But you are VERY VERY wrong to think this game will flame out.
If anything, this game is getting a big backlash from the current mmo market in that people arnt' happy with the "story driven" approach. Mark my words, this falls perfectly with Bioware's plans. People are now under estimating Star Wars and thinking it's going to suck. Can you imagine what's going to happen when this game doesn't suck? and doesn't suck by a big margin?
This game will have 500k subscribers in the first year, and most likely peaking at 2 million in a few years. Bioware and Blizzard are equals in every sense of the word. Blizzard has met its match.
Full disclosure here. I am more looking forward to FFXIV than STAR WARS, but I will bet you anything that Star Wars will have a higher subscriber based than FFXIV a year after their release. For you to say that Star Wars will flame out after a month is a great "F U" to Bioware. Bioware is an awesome company that has a track record or knowing what's it's doing.
The biggest reason that Star Wars will do well is that the game design appeals to a larger fan base. The game will have pve and pvp. Some people prefer one or the other, others like both in a game. Star Wars offers both. I'm not saying Star Wars pve will be better than FFXIV, but the game just offers something different. FFXIV 's design is more eastern (group play emphasized over solo,etc.) The western market prefers mmo's similar to wow than to FFXI.
Star Wars gameplay will be far similar to a Western MMO than an Eastern.
Both games could be amazing and I hope they are, but a majority of Western gamers will like the elements of Star Wars over FFXIV.
But you are VERY VERY wrong to think this game will flame out.
If anything, this game is getting a big backlash from the current mmo market in that people arnt' happy with the "story driven" approach. Mark my words, this falls perfectly with Bioware's plans. People are no under estimating Star Wars and thinking it's going to suck. Can you imagine what's going to happen when this game doesn't suck? and doesn't suck by a big margin?
This game will have 500k subscribers in the first year, and most likely peaking at 2 million in a few years. Bioware and Blizzard are equals in every sense of the word. Blizzard has met its match.
You had a decent argument until the last sentence.
I wonder how many times Ill say it until people stop using "Blizzard" in every post.
Nothing will "meet WoW" there is no "match" tehre was no EQ 'match' nor will there be a WoW 'match'
The next generation of gamers will simply ignore WoW as an option, just like new gamers nowadays simply skim over EQ when choosing to enter the MMO market, its just OUT OF DATE.
Theres not going to be an OMGWTF THIS IS SO COOL!!! game that takes 9 million people from WoW.. it will just slowly fade away.
That said, I see no basis for why you say this game is so great and everyone is looking forward to it and in teh same statement say everyone is unhappy with story approaches. People dont want to listen, read, or care about the story.
Yea some of you do, but not 60% of the MMO population, and thats conservative.
This will NOT kill wow, there is NO WAY to KILL wow at all, we just have to wait for it to fade away.
I think SWTOR will be a smash hit for a few weeks, then fade out as people realize this sucks its just STAR WARS and go play something else.
In case there is a sense in which the OP genuinely doesn't get it and would like to, I have to ask: when if ever did the OP play KOTOR (the single player RPG released in 2003) ?
Shortly put, the SW prequels were a lot like the muppets as far as I'm concerned, but KOTOR saved the entire SW IP for me. KOTOR was such a revolutionary RPG that it could have spawned an original IP from scratch, but instead they not only revived the SW franchise for me but took it beyond to new heights that were never reached by the original SW movies.
So for me, and a lot of other gamers, TOR is the primary SW product now, and the other Lucas products are secondary and targeted at other audiences. There is also a huge body of fans who stayed loyal through the prequels, and they will potentially check out TOR. These are people who like the muppets (no offense) if they are SW flavored, so of course they will love TOR and subscribe forever, since it will be a high quality product.
Cryptic is trying a Customer Development approach to MMO creation.
The most ridiculous thing I have heard yet, and only makes me conjure whether SW is something that is "cool to hate" for you.... like Paris Hilton. SW is crazy popular, and how that can be denied in any form is craziness on your part.
No, actually, speaking from personal experience and observation, its not nearly as popular as you feel it is.
Your disbelief does nothing to change that fact and when this game launches you'll see how many people really don't care about SW's or Bioware.
Doesn't mean it won't be a successful game, just not the huge success you seem to feel it will be based strictly on its IP.
"Personal experience and observation" ? Is that a joke? You have no better opinion on the matter then the rest of us. The force unleashed (which was a star wars game) was one of the most popular games of 2008 selling over 1.5 million copies in under 1 week. Have you seen the sales records of BioWares games recently? Dragon Age was rated best Role Playing Game of 2009. I think you're sadly mistaken if you think we'll see anything other then this game beating expectations.
Im the type of person who never liked Star Wars at all (didnt like the movies, games, toys, etc).
I was bored as hell one day at the mall and picked up KOTOR with a gift card to some really expensive music store (that is now long out of business due to it being like $10 more for a CD there than anywhere else...). I didnt expect to like the game because it was star wars, but it was the only thing there for PC games that wasnt 'Deer Hunter'.
I ended up loving the game. From there on I played any Bioware game I could find and found that their games were really well done (from the whole Story aspect and characters).
I still dont like Star Wars. But I will most likely try TOR.
I am sure there are a few people out there like me.
I just hope that maybe Bioware will make a Mass Effect based MMO someday down the line.
There are 3 types of people in the world.
1.) Those who make things happen
2.) Those who watch things happen
3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
The most ridiculous thing I have heard yet, and only makes me conjure whether SW is something that is "cool to hate" for you.... like Paris Hilton. SW is crazy popular, and how that can be denied in any form is craziness on your part.
No, actually, speaking from personal experience and observation, its not nearly as popular as you feel it is.
Your disbelief does nothing to change that fact and when this game launches you'll see how many people really don't care about SW's or Bioware.
Doesn't mean it won't be a successful game, just not the huge success you seem to feel it will be based strictly on its IP.
"Personal experience and observation" ? Is that a joke? You have no better opinion on the matter then the rest of us. The force unleashed (which was a star wars game) was one of the most popular games of 2008 selling over 1.5 million copies in under 1 week. Have you seen the sales records of BioWares games recently? Dragon Age was rated best Role Playing Game of 2009. I think you're sadly mistaken if you think we'll see anything other then this game beating expectations.
PEOPLE, READ MY POSTS
ALL OF THEM lol.
I did not ever say this game wouldnt sell
This game will sell like hto cakes, millions of copies
It will sell because of Bioware, because of SW and because of the new innovations.
I dont think it will MAINTAIN popularity, I think the general playerbase will not favor the storyline approach.
I think the Star Wars feel will get old fast, its been done before and its freaking Star Wars, MOST Star Wars fans are over 30. and MOST gamers are 25 and under.
There has been only ONE person that has altered my argument, and that alters it to include BIOWARE as a reason for clinging to the game, not sole SW. This group DOES exist and I did not count it. But my argument remains, I don't think enuff young gamers will cling to SW and BIoware in order to make this game a long term success.
Nope, never played SW games. I can't be bothered, too many toher titles exist. Just because I do not play them does not mean i have not researched their popularity before posting. I know of the popuarity of Single player star wars games and of the previous popularity of SWG.
This does no convert to TOR, it is a different game altogether than SWG and other single players because of its online aspect and storyline focus.
I have said. Time and Freaking Time again. I am saying that the majority of online gamers do not want to hear the storyline, they want to kill stuff and kill people and put themselves ahead of others.
This game is not focusing on that, and thus will die SOON after release. You know, maybe not a month. but certainly within 2 or 3. But, yea...
My money is still on one month and not top 10.
You're 22. Based on that I'll say young to you is around the age 12-17. Did you know those ages are a minority in the MMO genre? The young crowd often follows friends, one friend makes a decision to move to a MMO he will bring all his PC using friends. Your argument is flawed.
You're 22. Based on that I'll say young to you is around the age 12-17. Did you know those ages are a minority in the MMO genre? The young crowd often follows friends, one friend makes a decision to move to a MMO he will bring all his PC using friends. Your argument is flawed.
Nope! young to me is ME! and I am probably the majority.
You're 22. Based on that I'll say young to you is around the age 12-17. Did you know those ages are a minority in the MMO genre? The young crowd often follows friends, one friend makes a decision to move to a MMO he will bring all his PC using friends. Your argument is flawed.
Nope! young to me is ME! and I am probably the majority.
Majority is 25+.
You're 22. Based on that I'll say young to you is around the age 12-17. Did you know those ages are a minority in the MMO genre? The young crowd often follows friends, one friend makes a decision to move to a MMO he will bring all his PC using friends. Your argument is flawed.
Nope! young to me is ME! and I am probably the majority.
Majority is 25+.
can you post this statistic? please?
You're 22. Based on that I'll say young to you is around the age 12-17. Did you know those ages are a minority in the MMO genre? The young crowd often follows friends, one friend makes a decision to move to a MMO he will bring all his PC using friends. Your argument is flawed.
Nope! young to me is ME! and I am probably the majority.
Majority is 25+.
can you post this statistic? please?
"In fact, only 25% of MMORPG players are teenagers. About 50% of MMORPG players work full-time. About 36% of players are married, and 22% have children. So the MMORPG demographic is fairly diverse, including high-school students, college students, early professionals, middle-aged home-makers, as well as retirees. In other words, MMORPGs do not only appeal to a youth subculture."
www.nickyee.com/daedalus/gateway_demographics.html
You can find other more resent links around stating the same thing. Unless of coarse, you believe 25% is a majority.
Here: http://www.dlib.org/dlib/december05/kirriemuir/12kirriemuir.html
Average age of 30. A tiny bit higher than I had imagined, but still not enuff to encompass though 50 year olds that grew up with "A New Hope".
This is just semantics now, the point stands regardless.
I agree that teenagers do nto constitute the majority ,I would perosnally say its probably 20s and early thirties, so yea, married and kids and working fulltime.
We have no disagreement.
This is still the age that would not be so culturally OBSESSED with SW, they simply know about it, respect it to a certain extent, and ignore it to a greater extent.
It is not as culturally important to 20-30 year olds as LOTR , say.
EDIT: That post even says only 22% of us have kids!
most people who grew up with A new hope are 45+ and have children!
Nope, never played SW games. I can't be bothered, too many toher titles exist. Just because I do not play them does not mean i have not researched their popularity before posting. I know of the popuarity of Single player star wars games and of the previous popularity of SWG.
Well, that's why you don't get it, you are missing a huge data point (the direct precursor to TOR). We all think about MMOs and analyze them, that is nothing special. In this case the thread title results from you missing data, not having a superior analysis.
Cryptic is trying a Customer Development approach to MMO creation.
Nope, never played SW games. I can't be bothered, too many toher titles exist. Just because I do not play them does not mean i have not researched their popularity before posting. I know of the popuarity of Single player star wars games and of the previous popularity of SWG.
Well, that's why you don't get it, you are missing a huge data point (the direct precursor to TOR). We all think about MMOs and analyze them, that is nothing special. In this case the thread title results from you missing data, not having a superior analysis.
Meh, difference of opinion there, I believe my research was adequate.
Mate,
First of all noone can predict the longevity of the game or whether it will be successfull after 2-3 years. Many factors come into play in predicting whether this it will be a financial behemoth in the long term and most of them have to do with how good the game really is and how time consuming the replayability of the game will be, both of which remain to be seen
Since we seem to agree on the initial success of the game, you have two basic arguments against its long term success . 1) The Star Wars fans are older than 30 years old , thus they wont be interested in this game (in the long term at least) and 2) The MMO playerbase in under 25 thus the game will not be successful (again in the long term). In my humble opinion both arguments have issues. Allow me to explain:
1) Star Wars fan base is not that old. Lucasfilm was very smart the way they designed their last 3 movies. It was obvious they were targeting younger audiences. Lucas himself even admited it in many interviews. Did they succeed? Very much so. If you pay some attention to the grosses of the 3 last films along with the demographics (data available in various sources ox office Mojo, Imdb etc) you will understand that along with older audiences, the last movies attracted youngsters. Notice also the follow ups to the movies. Cartoon series, The whole clone wars thing (I mean the cgi cartoon) along with the movie. Do these look like follow ups that target mature audiences? Lucasfilm's prime target with the new movies and cartoon series was and is younger audiences and from a business standpoint that is the best choise they could make because they can attract more revenues from them (enter merchandising, video games -->TOR etc). On the whole, Lucasfilm played this one beautifully.
2)MMO gamers are under 25. That is not true you know.....Look at the video game industry. We are talking about one of the fastest growing industries in general. You know why? Because the previous generation which grew up playing video games continue to do so today. This means that the playerbase in general has doubled since younger gamers are added to the mix. Just notice the investments happening from major corporations trying to evolve the whole gaming experience ( from Nintendos Wii to Microsofts new system). MMO's are eight in the center of this. Warcrafts finacial suceess has expanded the online market. Its in the best interestof other companies to capitilize on this growth. As far as TOR is concerned, the older audiences of the movies, those who are still gamers at least, will be attracted to the game along with younger players (the marketing ground has already been prepared for them).
On the whole TOR will come out with perfect timing. It will attract audiences from a wide range.
Whether this game will be financially successfull after 2 years remains to be seen. This is where the Bioware factor comes in. If the game is good then it will keep its customers. And given Biowares track record this is most likely to happen.
I agree that teenagers do nto constitute the majority ,I would perosnally say its probably 20s and early thirties, so yea, married and kids and working fulltime.
We have no disagreement.
This is still the age that would not be so culturally OBSESSED with SW, they simply know about it, respect it to a certain extent, and ignore it to a greater extent.
It is not as culturally important to 20-30 year olds as LOTR , say.
EDIT: That post even says only 22% of us have kids!
most people who grew up with A new hope are 45+ and have children!
Let me remind you of something
"I just don't get it.
I do not see a MMO based on STAR WARS being excessively popular for more than a month.
Its a fun idea, but its not a lasting impression, i mean... Its freaking star wars.
Thats like making a Muppets MMO."
Your original post, which was not constructive at all. Lacked any detail as to why you believe this. Star Wars is constantly advancing. You also fail at basic research and knowledge. What about the Clone Wars series reaching out to the new generation while having the modern and old watching it. Not to mention the countless games LA has being very popular, Force Unleashed for example, Jedi Knight, KoTOR, Battlefront.
So much hate in this thread... wow.
First off, many of the comments are uneducated. Read up before you wanna bash something. I'm all for one about constructive criticism, but about the only valid point here i've seen mention is that some are fearful about the massive emphasis devs are putting on the story line.
Yes they, and i'm excitedly waiting for this game, and that's a concern for me as well. I play an MMO purely to group with others, not to play a single player game. I left Champions Online for that reason alone. It was actually counter-productive to group 95% of the time.
You folks need to remember that Bioware has been extremely tight lipped about this game. They've been throwing little teasers to the public for the past year, just to keep them excited, but nothing more. There's been no mention of how PvP will work, or how the crafting system will work, or housing, etc... There's really been no mention of group play other than some story arc instances you can co-op. I'm not sure how one can bash anything as of yet as there's really nothing in these regards to bash yet.
I hear poor feedback about the IP. Hate to break this to you, but WoW had an IP before release, and so has many other successful MMO's. It does not have to be around a movie to be classified as that.
Also, i hear about their lack of creativity involved around a IP MMO. I would have to agree. LOTRO is testamount to that. Thing is, as i recall, i don't ever recall a movie around the timeline 3000 years before Darth Vader's birth. So in that respect, they have much creativity. In fact, 95% of the story written has been created by Bioware. Yes, they have the same story arch type, jedi, sith, lightsabers, and lasers... But that is what is so appealing about Star Wars. What geek (yeah i'm in the category too) doesn't like space warfare, cool planets, and funky aliens. Add the appeal of a good sword fight, and you have a winner. Lucas clearly saw that vision.
People also spoke about a SW MMO dying fast. That's clearly been proven wrong. SWG has been out for years, even AFTER Sony fingered their entire customer base with a big "F-U" and literally destroyed the game. Die hard fans still keep that game alive and it has stood the test of time (and no, i don't play that game currently). So put a company like Bioware's track record up, and a IP MMO type game that has already stood the test of time, and more likely than not, you'll have a winner.
Sorry for the long rant. If you've read this far, well i thank you for your time. If you're one of the hating trolls, go ahead and reply. if you notice by my post count and join date here, i'll most likely never respond to you.
In closing, I think it is a bit premature to bash this yet. Yes, maybe one day i may become one of the haters, but let's get more information, or even some gameplay experience before we bash the hell out of something that many are clearly eager and waiting patiently for its release.
Hugs & Kisses,
Panamon
A valid opinion thanks for posting.
But to be honest, I feel much of the Lucasfilm income is due to it simply just be STAR WARS. under any other title it would NOT smell as sweet.
Just like this game, it is STAR WARS so it will initially do well, but it will fall because it just aint that great when u get PAST the SW part of it.
and due to the age of video gamers, there have been 2 posts, one by myself, regarding the statistcal evalution of the age of gamers and it is generally between 20-early thirties. these are not the ages of the OBSESSED star wars people.
And hey, I'm not saying star wars isnt POPULAR per se, i mean it is not what the general person wants to spend all their day thinking about... I don't think the average gamer wants to look at lightsabres all day its just too retro, its not new, and after the face of it, its not fun anymore.
The most ridiculous thing I have heard yet, and only makes me conjure whether SW is something that is "cool to hate" for you.... like Paris Hilton. SW is crazy popular, and how that can be denied in any form is craziness on your part.
No, actually, speaking from personal experience and observation, its not nearly as popular as you feel it is.
Your disbelief does nothing to change that fact and when this game launches you'll see how many people really don't care about SW's or Bioware.
Doesn't mean it won't be a successful game, just not the huge success you seem to feel it will be based strictly on its IP.
"Personal experience and observation" ? Is that a joke? You have no better opinion on the matter then the rest of us. The force unleashed (which was a star wars game) was one of the most popular games of 2008 selling over 1.5 million copies in under 1 week. Have you seen the sales records of BioWares games recently? Dragon Age was rated best Role Playing Game of 2009. I think you're sadly mistaken if you think we'll see anything other then this game beating expectations.
PEOPLE, READ MY POSTS
ALL OF THEM lol.
I did not ever say this game wouldnt sell
This game will sell like hto cakes, millions of copies
It will sell because of Bioware, because of SW and because of the new innovations.
I dont think it will MAINTAIN popularity, I think the general playerbase will not favor the storyline approach.
I think the Star Wars feel will get old fast, its been done before and its freaking Star Wars, MOST Star Wars fans are over 30. and MOST gamers are 25 and under.
Newmeanie this post was not directed at you and for the record I have read all of your posts... every post in this thread actually, this was directed at Kyleran.
On the demographic, I think BioWare will hit it directly where they were looking to. What this really boils down to is the game quality. A big part of your complaint NewMeanie was that there were so many other titles to play... but any game that has any manner of success would be worth playing, wouldn't you say? It seems like you've purposely stayed away from Star Wars games. As far as science fiction goes, they come up with some of the most exciting games ranging from RTS to RPG to flight simulators. So what I'm asking is, star wars aside, if this game was made with the quality and mastery that all bioware games seem to have, would you play it?
Good post, I agree completely