No, as I would play no game with an item shop. Almost all F2P games that have an item shop make it seem like you don't need them, "Oh you can buy them but you don't have to, it may just make things go a little smoother." But by endgame items are a necessity and you're dropping more cash 2 to 5 dollars at a time than just a flat 14 a month.
Originally posted by GTwander:
How are you an MMO? Or any of us for that matter?
I say we strike all users from the site for not being MMOs.
in reply to the op's question - yes i would still play, i have plenty of money to spend
This is what makes cash shop games worthless for me. People like k1kalss that don't mind spending 100 dollars or more every month just to be above others.
I agree, but its also kind of in the same boat for those players that spend 100 hours a week playing games because they have nothing else to do so they can be above others as well. I mean whether its a surplus of money or time, theres nothing anyone can really do about it.
Yes, but it's not exaclty the same. Even if you have a surplus of money, you have to play to get better, you spend time and you are playing the game. I'm ok with people playing a lot, although I support limiting hours played to avoid shared accounts and compulsive players, but this is another discussion,
Nope, there can be only one or the other - P2P with EVERYTHING available (even cosmetic fluff) or F2P with cash shop - having both is an insult and should not be supported by anyone regardless of the game and publisher.
Take a stand guys, because if these MMO dev's get so much as a sniff that's some of you don't mind paying a subscription AND giving more money for extra items they'll ALL be doing it in a shot and it'll be a further slide into the gutter for current MMO's...
Pointless fluff items today, skills and important items tomorrow...
My main issue with cash shops... is they take items that should be say craftable or similar and then they sell them instead. I'm big into crafting... So if the game has no crafting, weak crafting or things I'd want to make in a cash shop there isn't much reason to play.
If they sell XP potions or other thigns for people willing to spend money to level 10% faster (example) more power to them. I will never be that fast to "end game" so I raelly wouldn't care about that.
Nope, there can be only one or the other - P2P with EVERYTHING available (even cosmetic fluff) or F2P with cash shop - having both is an insult and should not be supported by anyone regardless of the game and publisher. Take a stand guys, because if these MMO dev's get so much as a sniff that's some of you don't mind paying a subscription AND giving more money for extra items they'll ALL be doing it in a shot and it'll be a further slide into the gutter for current MMO's... Pointless fluff items today, skills and important items tomorrow...
Depends on whether or not the cash ship items gave bonuses that affected game-play. People can buy as many vanity items as they like, but as soon as it affects gameplay, I'm out
It would depend on the status of the game and If I was having fun, If the items that could be bought was just fluff then yeah but will need to wait and see. If the items changed the game play (weapons/armor etc) then I doubt I would do it as having a ubah toon would come down to who has the most cash and not for time invested in the game.
The game will be a micro-transaction subscription based game and will likely have all the bells and whistles to go with it, that means an item mall. I will play regardless it is bioware and I love all their games. Considering the game will be like Mass effect 2 style of gameplay only entices me to play it more. Going to love the much needed refreshing change to style of online game play.
"The King and the Pawn return to the same box at the end of the game"
The game will be a micro-transaction subscription based game and will likely have all the bells and whistles to go with it, that means an item mall. I will play regardless it is bioware and I love all their games. Considering the game will be like Mass effect 2 style of gameplay only entices me to play it more. Going to love the much needed refreshing change to style of online game play.
Depends on the items for sale on the cash shop. If it's just fluff items, XP potions, and account services like in EQ2 then I have no problem with it.
If they expect me to pay a monthly fee while having a cash shop like DDO, then it's a no go. I will not pay "additional" cash for content that is integral to the game itself.
1) Because we will never see a new mmo come out of an established dev house WITHOUT a cash shop being added at some point, as race/gender/name change and server transfers are always called for and have to have some limiting factors for them imo. That is the trend with every new MMO it seems. It will probally take a long time to change it, but i dont consider those services 'bad' at all, not the charging for them.
Depends on the items for sale on the cash shop. If it's just fluff items, XP potions, and account services like in EQ2 then I have no problem with it. If they expect me to pay a monthly fee while having a cash shop like DDO, then it's a no go. I will not pay "additional" cash for content that is integral to the game itself.
well you dont HAVE to pay the sub for DDO, you can just pick and chose what content you want from the cash shop. I believe cash shop content is open to all subscribers, and extras like potions and stuff from the cash shop are extra.
I figure people on all sides of this debate miss the key point, it's not really about the mix between how you pay and what comes with that payment that matters. It's whether you (and the majority of others playing the same game) feel like you are getting value for money or not.
I play WoW a lot, and a quite a few other MMOs a little. In WoW there are many better geared toons than my lvl 80 mage, so what? I don't care much, it's my experience that matters to me not theirs. The fact that in WoW they have to work for their gear, and can't buy it is also irrelevant to me, if they wanted to buy better gear and WoW allowed them to do so, it wouldn't change the way I play the game or my experience of it.
If the Bioware MMO delivers as much enjoyment to me as their previous releases I will probably end up playing for 80+ hours a month, and would be willing to invest a little more than the usual $15 standard for that time as after all 20 cents an hour is still ridiculously cheap entertainment even compared to other "cheap" activities like renting a DVD or reading a book.
If their MMO turns out to be another pallid STO alike, then I won't care how cheap it is either, I won't pay for that experience my money will go elsewhere. But... many people love STO (why I will never know) and to them it represents value for money and that's the crux of the matter.
You'll spend on the things you love up to such a point as you percieve them to be "not worth that" and then you'll stop, who cares what mix they use to extract the cash as long as it's an acceptable amount?
Yes, I doubt IF there is a cash shop that it will have any effect on the gameplay whatsoever. I read all the articles on this mmo that I find and not once have I heard anything about a cash shop.
Depends on the items for sale on the cash shop. If it's just fluff items, XP potions, and account services like in EQ2 then I have no problem with it. If they expect me to pay a monthly fee while having a cash shop like DDO, then it's a no go. I will not pay "additional" cash for content that is integral to the game itself.
well you dont HAVE to pay the sub for DDO, you can just pick and chose what content you want from the cash shop. I believe cash shop content is open to all subscribers, and extras like potions and stuff from the cash shop are extra.
I said that wrong. What I meant was, I refuse to pay a monthly fee for a game that has a cash shop similar to those found in F2P MMOs.
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No, as I would play no game with an item shop. Almost all F2P games that have an item shop make it seem like you don't need them, "Oh you can buy them but you don't have to, it may just make things go a little smoother." But by endgame items are a necessity and you're dropping more cash 2 to 5 dollars at a time than just a flat 14 a month.
Originally posted by GTwander:
How are you an MMO? Or any of us for that matter?
I say we strike all users from the site for not being MMOs.
This is what makes cash shop games worthless for me. People like k1kalss that don't mind spending 100 dollars or more every month just to be above others.
I agree, but its also kind of in the same boat for those players that spend 100 hours a week playing games because they have nothing else to do so they can be above others as well. I mean whether its a surplus of money or time, theres nothing anyone can really do about it.
Yes, but it's not exaclty the same. Even if you have a surplus of money, you have to play to get better, you spend time and you are playing the game. I'm ok with people playing a lot, although I support limiting hours played to avoid shared accounts and compulsive players, but this is another discussion,
Yes i would still play it. I have nothing against MT stores.
Nope, there can be only one or the other - P2P with EVERYTHING available (even cosmetic fluff) or F2P with cash shop - having both is an insult and should not be supported by anyone regardless of the game and publisher.
Take a stand guys, because if these MMO dev's get so much as a sniff that's some of you don't mind paying a subscription AND giving more money for extra items they'll ALL be doing it in a shot and it'll be a further slide into the gutter for current MMO's...
Pointless fluff items today, skills and important items tomorrow...
My main issue with cash shops... is they take items that should be say craftable or similar and then they sell them instead. I'm big into crafting... So if the game has no crafting, weak crafting or things I'd want to make in a cash shop there isn't much reason to play.
If they sell XP potions or other thigns for people willing to spend money to level 10% faster (example) more power to them. I will never be that fast to "end game" so I raelly wouldn't care about that.
If I had to pay a monthly fee+cash shop items then no, I would not play. Cash shop only or subscription only works for me.
No. I will not play it if there is cash shop.
I'll give it the same post launch free trial attempt I plan on giving it now. But yes it would seriously bias me against the game.
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This man speaketh the truth.
why not
Depends on whether or not the cash ship items gave bonuses that affected game-play. People can buy as many vanity items as they like, but as soon as it affects gameplay, I'm out
A witty saying proves nothing.
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It would depend on the status of the game and If I was having fun, If the items that could be bought was just fluff then yeah but will need to wait and see. If the items changed the game play (weapons/armor etc) then I doubt I would do it as having a ubah toon would come down to who has the most cash and not for time invested in the game.
No I will not play if it has an item shop and I am being charged a monthly fee.
The game will be a micro-transaction subscription based game and will likely have all the bells and whistles to go with it, that means an item mall. I will play regardless it is bioware and I love all their games. Considering the game will be like Mass effect 2 style of gameplay only entices me to play it more. Going to love the much needed refreshing change to style of online game play.
I'd like to see a link to this.
Depends on the items for sale on the cash shop. If it's just fluff items, XP potions, and account services like in EQ2 then I have no problem with it.
If they expect me to pay a monthly fee while having a cash shop like DDO, then it's a no go. I will not pay "additional" cash for content that is integral to the game itself.
some may disagree but i dont see any issues with cosmetic item shop but once it goes past cosmetic thats when i say no thank you sir
Yes,
1) Because we will never see a new mmo come out of an established dev house WITHOUT a cash shop being added at some point, as race/gender/name change and server transfers are always called for and have to have some limiting factors for them imo. That is the trend with every new MMO it seems. It will probally take a long time to change it, but i dont consider those services 'bad' at all, not the charging for them.
2) its bioware foo.
well you dont HAVE to pay the sub for DDO, you can just pick and chose what content you want from the cash shop. I believe cash shop content is open to all subscribers, and extras like potions and stuff from the cash shop are extra.
I figure people on all sides of this debate miss the key point, it's not really about the mix between how you pay and what comes with that payment that matters. It's whether you (and the majority of others playing the same game) feel like you are getting value for money or not.
I play WoW a lot, and a quite a few other MMOs a little. In WoW there are many better geared toons than my lvl 80 mage, so what? I don't care much, it's my experience that matters to me not theirs. The fact that in WoW they have to work for their gear, and can't buy it is also irrelevant to me, if they wanted to buy better gear and WoW allowed them to do so, it wouldn't change the way I play the game or my experience of it.
If the Bioware MMO delivers as much enjoyment to me as their previous releases I will probably end up playing for 80+ hours a month, and would be willing to invest a little more than the usual $15 standard for that time as after all 20 cents an hour is still ridiculously cheap entertainment even compared to other "cheap" activities like renting a DVD or reading a book.
If their MMO turns out to be another pallid STO alike, then I won't care how cheap it is either, I won't pay for that experience my money will go elsewhere. But... many people love STO (why I will never know) and to them it represents value for money and that's the crux of the matter.
You'll spend on the things you love up to such a point as you percieve them to be "not worth that" and then you'll stop, who cares what mix they use to extract the cash as long as it's an acceptable amount?
Yes, I doubt IF there is a cash shop that it will have any effect on the gameplay whatsoever. I read all the articles on this mmo that I find and not once have I heard anything about a cash shop.
well you dont HAVE to pay the sub for DDO, you can just pick and chose what content you want from the cash shop. I believe cash shop content is open to all subscribers, and extras like potions and stuff from the cash shop are extra.
I said that wrong. What I meant was, I refuse to pay a monthly fee for a game that has a cash shop similar to those found in F2P MMOs.