Nice post, and glad to see a positive one for a change. The point you made is a good one, although it's ok for peeps to post their opinions on this site, I wouldn't base my decision on anything they say, since what they don't like, you may like and vice versa. There is no wrong or right here, there is simply do I LIKE IT or NOT. Sad to see people insult those that like it because they don't. I really respect their opinions and they have a right to one, but I wish they could respect the opinions of those that like the game.
Ive yet to play a game where starting levels 1-10 or 1-20 is anything like endgame.
AOC is a great example. The classes are so out of whack at start and all the content is so drastically different once you level and progress.
I never said it was what this post was about. However someone brought it up so I responded.
The game isn't crap.
In regards to the item mall. I don't see a problem with it. It gives another way for a company to make money. Considering money is what creates the games and keeps them running. Nothing the item mall is a requirement and will directly effect game play. It is all cosmetic. Gives a person something to show off. In CO they have respecs which you can get in game. They have extra character slots which I don't see a problem with. Guild Wars did the same thing. So did others.
Im personally enjoying the game. I dont like some things but all in all im having fun. If you dont like the game...move along and criticse the next game. (BBBBBBBBBBBBWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH raises plunger in salute to Deanna Troi best Star Trek Chick...ever!)
So to sum up what your saying, Your opinion of the game is the only one that counts, and people who DON'T like the game must keep silent?
My opinion is the one that counts to me! if you dont like the game make sure your not beating a dead horse with same old opinions. If you are move along, cause it gets old.
(BBBBBWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH askes for many appointments to see Commander Troi!)
All my opinions are just that..opinions. If you like my opinions..coolness.If you dont like my opinion....I really dont care. Playing: ESO, WOT, Smite, and Marvel Heroes
Nice post, and glad to see a positive one for a change. The point you made is a good one, although it's ok for peeps to post their opinions on this site, I wouldn't base my decision on anything they say, since what they don't like, you may like and vice versa. There is no wrong or right here, there is simply do I LIKE IT or NOT. Sad to see people insult those that like it because they don't. I really respect their opinions and they have a right to one, but I wish they could respect the opinions of those that like the game.
It is the nature of the internet. People on both sides get it. Read forums with messages of "i`m done" or "i`m quitting", and the response is normally "Don`t let the dorr hit ya on the way out" or "can I have your stuff"
There was even a post in this thread that was bashing those that offered their Negative opionions.
Debate is always heated.
Played WOW (5 years), AOC, AO, EQ2,AC2, Horizons, Saga of Ryzom, SWG, CO, STO(Beta),ROM, Allods, and many other F2P titles. Asl been in beta for many of the main titles and played countless SP games. I have been gaming for 15+ years!
Im personally enjoying the game. I dont like some things but all in all im having fun. If you dont like the game...move along and criticse the next game. (BBBBBBBBBBBBWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH raises plunger in salute to Deanna Troi best Star Trek Chick...ever!)
So to sum up what your saying, Your opinion of the game is the only one that counts, and people who DON'T like the game must keep silent?
My opinion is the one that counts to me! if you dont like the game make sure your not beating a dead horse with same old opinions. If you are move along, cause it gets old.
(BBBBBWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH askes for many appointments to see Commander Troi!)
Troi!!! Ewwwwww, you need glasses. Dr Crusher is way more hotter then Troi.
But Guild Wars isn't charging $15 a Month. Big Difference.
as far as the game being Crap, You missunderstand what I was saying.
If people don't like it, why would they have to keep playing? You said they don't play it long enough to get how good it is?
True I don't like the game. It's a space game with a Star Trek Name. It is far from being Star Trek. IT seems the game's focus is Combat, Combat , and More Combat. Star Trek was not about Combat, Most situations on Star Trek were all about Avoiding Combat.
But Guild Wars isn't charging $15 a Month. Big Difference. as far as the game being Crap, You missunderstand what I was saying. If people don't like it, why would they have to keep playing? You said they don't play it long enough to get how good it is? True I don't like the game. It's a space game with a Star Trek Name. It is far from being Star Trek. IT seems the game's focus is Combat, Combat , and More Combat. Star Trek was not about Combat, Most situations on Star Trek were all about Avoiding Combat.
I see this one a lot and although it's true about the the IP, I don't think it makes sense in an MMO. If they made STO like the series and movies, then it would be the series or a movie. They tried to make a game that was fun and of course we all know, combat in games is fun. I'm not sure what people think this came should be, all dialogue.....watching Kirk and Spock have a chat on the bridge or Troi giving a boring psycho babble lecture would not be much of a fun game. If I want that, I'll rent the DVD of the movie.
This is a game. Action action action translates to buying customers and fun. Just my opinion.
Originally posted by dhayes68 The interesting thing about the OP's review is that it doesn't contradict much what a lot of the people who don't like the game say. The key is the OP doesn't reference the 3 biggest complaints as far as I know them to be: 1. That it doesn't offer much in the way of the Star Trek IP other than looks and the names of things. The Star Trek IP is vast and combat is a relatively small part of it. Yet this game is almost all combat. 2. Yes a lot of the individual features can be fun, but the game doesn't fulfill what a lot of players look for in an mmorpg. (this ties in a lot to number 1.) 3. Least important in my opinion but a big deal to some, and I admit it is annoying, Full Box Price, Full Sub Fee AND a Cash Shop? A lot of people can agree with everything the OP said and still feel like this game offers a shallow Star Trek experience that seems more like a standalone RPG with multiplayer.
1. I expect some of these concerns will be addressed as the game grows. For me (and I have always been a big Trek fan), however, calling combat "a relatively small part" of the Trek universe just makes me smile. Combat is huge in Star Trek movies and series, so I just don't get this criticism. I cannot think of an episode in the original series that didn't involve fighting at some level. The game would be terribly boring if it focused on, say, diplomacy, rather than combat. Total Zzzzz.
2. What "a lot of players" expect of an MMORPG is so diverse that I cannot imagine any game fulfilling this expectation. STO is targeting a particular type of MMORPG player, a subgroup, as do most MMORPGs. Guild Wars and LotRO are reasonably successful MMORPGs, but they nevertheless target different groups and the two games are very different.
3. The marketing DOES bother me. I really wish they'd opted for a Guild Wars + perhaps MT model. The addition of a sub seems over the top to me and is the primary reason I haven't given this game a try. I intend to wait for a free trial at least and for the price(s) to come down.
OP: I VERY much appreciated your review. What's most useful to me, at this point, is learning why people do and do not like the game. Most of the reasons given for not liking the game just don't matter to me; it was helpful to read a player review giving reasons why one player is enjoying STO.
My favorite MMO to date has been Guild Wars--not everyone's cup of tea, but I sure like it. STO sounds very similar, though in a space setting. The big hurdle for me right now is the general priciness (box price + sub + MT) of the whole deal.
Totally respect your opinion, OP, but much of the criticism surrounding this game have to do with lack of depth/content and most of the things that characterize the IP (social interaction, diplomacy, exploration). Since you haven't played much and don't seem to be a Star Trak fan, I can see how you came to your conclusion at this point of time. I would appreciate if you came back here in, say, 1 week - just to check if you opinion has changed at all.
Still playin after a week....i havent run out of content (but then im not power leveling to 50 so i can sit around and bitch about how theres no content)
Yes socialization needs work...such issues should be made known to cryptic...the more ppl that suggest a more social game the better the chances they will work on getting it there. If not...i'll still play.
And nope im not a hardcore star trek fan so maybe i didnt come into this mmo expecting the world some of you were expecting but ya know, i give them props for putting out a game with a decent base to start from.
Imo, when a game gets me so into it to where i look at the clock one minute....then look back only to notice 2-3hrs have passed...id say they were somewhat successful in my eyes as far as delivering what i wanted.....a game i can lose myself in.
Its only going to get better...if not then i'll add it to notch on my belt...enjoy the time i had and move on to the next game that suits me for the time being.
But Guild Wars isn't charging $15 a Month. Big Difference. as far as the game being Crap, You missunderstand what I was saying. If people don't like it, why would they have to keep playing? You said they don't play it long enough to get how good it is? True I don't like the game. It's a space game with a Star Trek Name. It is far from being Star Trek. IT seems the game's focus is Combat, Combat , and More Combat. Star Trek was not about Combat, Most situations on Star Trek were all about Avoiding Combat.
I see this one a lot and although it's true about the the IP, I don't think it makes sense in an MMO. If they made STO like the series and movies, then it would be the series or a movie. They tried to make a game that was fun and of course we all know, combat in games is fun. I'm not sure what people think this came should be, all dialogue.....watching Kirk and Spock have a chat on the bridge or Troi giving a boring psycho babble lecture would not be much of a fun game. If I want that, I'll rent the DVD of the movie.
This is a game. Action action action translates to buying customers and fun. Just my opinion.
But Guild Wars isn't charging $15 a Month. Big Difference. as far as the game being Crap, You missunderstand what I was saying. If people don't like it, why would they have to keep playing? You said they don't play it long enough to get how good it is? True I don't like the game. It's a space game with a Star Trek Name. It is far from being Star Trek. IT seems the game's focus is Combat, Combat , and More Combat. Star Trek was not about Combat, Most situations on Star Trek were all about Avoiding Combat.
I see this one a lot and although it's true about the the IP, I don't think it makes sense in an MMO. If they made STO like the series and movies, then it would be the series or a movie. They tried to make a game that was fun and of course we all know, combat in games is fun. I'm not sure what people think this came should be, all dialogue.....watching Kirk and Spock have a chat on the bridge or Troi giving a boring psycho babble lecture would not be much of a fun game. If I want that, I'll rent the DVD of the movie.
This is a game. Action action action translates to buying customers and fun. Just my opinion.
Your Missing the Point. the game is ALL combat. It's the total oposite of what it is about.
So putting you in a situation that you have to get out of useing your brain isn't fun. shootting everything is the only way to make it fun? This is a MMORPG, and the RPG stands for Roll Playing Game. Your not roll playing. maybe this should be a MMOCS and CS should stand for Combat Simulator.
When I saw this game for the first time I was expecting Lots of situations to get out of with overwelming odds, and all I got was Shoot everything. So calling it Star Trek is Not only missleading, it's a Lie.
Star Trek the 25th Annaversery, Star Trek Judgment Rites, and Star Trek the Next Generation A final Unity are prime examples of Star Trek. Good Games [For The Time} Not everything requires Combat, and would make Great MMORPG's if done right.
The interesting thing about the OP's review is that it doesn't contradict much what a lot of the people who don't like the game say.
The key is the OP doesn't reference the 3 biggest complaints as far as I know them to be:
1. That it doesn't offer much in the way of the Star Trek IP other than looks and the names of things. The Star Trek IP is vast and combat is a relatively small part of it. Yet this game is almost all combat.
2. Yes a lot of the individual features can be fun, but the game doesn't fulfill what a lot of players look for in an mmorpg. (this ties in a lot to number 1.)
3. Least important in my opinion but a big deal to some, and I admit it is annoying, Full Box Price, Full Sub Fee AND a Cash Shop?
A lot of people can agree with everything the OP said and still feel like this game offers a shallow Star Trek experience that seems more like a standalone RPG with multiplayer.
1. I expect some of these concerns will be addressed as the game grows. For me (and I have always been a big Trek fan), however, calling combat "a relatively small part" of the Trek universe just makes me smile. Combat is huge in Star Trek movies and series, so I just don't get this criticism. I cannot think of an episode in the original series that didn't involve fighting at some level. The game would be terribly boring if it focused on, say, diplomacy, rather than combat. Total Zzzzz.
2. What "a lot of players" expect of an MMORPG is so diverse that I cannot imagine any game fulfilling this expectation. STO is targeting a particular type of MMORPG player, a subgroup, as do most MMORPGs. Guild Wars and LotRO are reasonably successful MMORPGs, but they nevertheless target different groups and the two games are very different.
3. The marketing DOES bother me. I really wish they'd opted for a Guild Wars + perhaps MT model. The addition of a sub seems over the top to me and is the primary reason I haven't given this game a try. I intend to wait for a free trial at least and for the price(s) to come down.
OP: I VERY much appreciated your review. What's most useful to me, at this point, is learning why people do and do not like the game. Most of the reasons given for not liking the game just don't matter to me; it was helpful to read a player review giving reasons why one player is enjoying STO.
My favorite MMO to date has been Guild Wars--not everyone's cup of tea, but I sure like it. STO sounds very similar, though in a space setting. The big hurdle for me right now is the general priciness (box price + sub + MT) of the whole deal.
When I hear about basic things (like fleshing out the IP) possibly being implemented at a later date that just means to me the game was launched incomplete and its questionable if it will ever be completed.
Also about the combat being a big or small part of the IP (I knew when I wrote that I'd get dinged on it) I mean percentage wise, even when there was "combat" the actual time of weapons firing is definitely a small part the show. Combat is always ABOUT to happen but its often avoided and when not, is usually brief. And of course really over the course of the series there was a LOT more going on than ship/ground combat. And while you may find those other things boring, I say that a game that offers a lot of things to a lot of people results in a richer more dynamic player base and that equals more fun for everyone even if those other people are doing things you find boring.
And of course I didn't mean to say STO should attempt to be all MMO's to all people, I was just noting that that is one of the major complaints.
Question to the OP: How long have you been playing?
Because it sounds like you just started playing and then the games feels all fresh and fun. But only after maybe 30-40 hours you will notice that there is nothing new to see or do and you are pretty much repeating the same cycle of missions as you did before. Champions Online was the same and so is this game, the surface looks nice but it has almost zero depth.
Play the game a while and then get back to us if you still think the game is a good MMO and not just a single player game with 50, or so, hours of gameplay.
Question to the OP: How long have you been playing? Because it sounds like you just started playing and then the games feels all fresh and fun. But only after maybe 30-40 hours you will notice that there is nothing new to see or do and you are pretty much repeating the same cycle of missions as you did before. Champions Online was the same and so is this game, the surface looks nice but it has almost zero depth. Play the game a while and then get back to us if you still think the game is a good MMO and not just a single player game with 50, or so, hours of gameplay.
all mmos are teh same. wow quests were much the same at 20 as they were at 50 or 60. before that it was camp a spot and grind mobs for 50 hours a level.
. Good Games [For The Time} Not everything requires Combat, and would make Great MMORPG's if done right.
true true...my favorite thing in swg was crafting...not combat.
who's to say they wont add more of the non-combat missions in the future...i think if they focused on what u wanted instead of the combat....the game probably would have failed.
combat is an essential in any game....tryin to make a new/different way to change that is cool...but when ya got an IP like star trek ppl that arent trekkies expect the pew pew...boom boom in thier game.
so why not deliver the easier stuff (combat) and work on the other things in time.
so many ppl are so quick to judge and dismiss a game just because its not revolutionizing the gaming industry and changing the mmo world....games try that every day....hence why we dont hear about them to much.
What I mean by mmorpgs are not for you is you said the game bores you and you didnt like the repeat missions of zone in kill 5 squads. All IM saying is EVERY mmo has quests like that and more often.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion of course and not everyone needs to hear your opinions. When someone posts this game is good you dont come in and flame him for stating he likes/loves the game.
I've been playing for weeks.I still enjoy the game. I am also a Star Wars fan. One of those anti star trek type of star wars fans. But I am more of a MMO fan than anything. I bought this game with no expectations. Not reading hype. I went in blind and I am very pleased. In fact I enjoy that it isnt 100% star trek. I feel there isnt enough star trek to make a complete mmo. There is plenty of diplomacy style missions still. So using that as an argument is not valid. But also the game wasnt created to be a Liver. Game. Thus meaning you build everything, and everything you has has a negative or positive effect. The game wasnt made to be all happy and singing and dancing all the time. The story chosen for the game and timeline was picked for a reason. To be more involved in the conflicts and wars of its time period. A time in which diplomacy didn't mean much. There are still attempts but thats not what the game is about and if you were expecting that some how when it wasn't ever said in the first place then yea you are disappointed. Then again if your basing off that style of thinking then 90% of the games you place your disappointed in. Unless your playing Mortal or Runescape. Even then those games are modelled around combat and war.
And what makes a game good? WHat makes a game good infact does differ from person to person. Not what a site ranks it or votes on it. Not if it actually wins awards. What makes the game good and successful is if it lives. If it stands. SWG is Successful. Until it closes its doors and shuts down. It is successful. If 1 person likes it. it is a good game. So saying that people liking it and saying it is a good game doesnt make it one. Is false. You dont like it makes it a bad game to you. Me liking it makes it a good game to me. The game will succeed and it has had great sales for a launch. Im not expecting 2million or close after the first month. That just means all the bad players and crybabies are gone. All those people who were hoping for a scifi wow are gone. Then the game can progress.
This is MMORPG.com. People will voice their opinion on EVERY game. Even the ones you like. If you want only the fanboys to comment, you should post on the Star Trek Online Forums. this is a place were people look for opions and want to hear both sides, good or bad so they can make an informed opinion about the game.
Sure, some of the opinions are harsh. But they are just that,,,,, OPINIONS. Every one's game of coice WILL get negative opinons. the bottom line is, you can't make a thread saying "This game is good" and expect the people who hate the game to be Silent.
Almost every thread on this forum is littered with misleading information and downright lies posted as fact. This forum is a haven of bullcrap and anyone who buys into half the "reviews" expressed here is a fool.
Have you even read the official forums? They are no better.
Anyone who puts any stock in anything posted here or the official forums when trying to decide if they want to try STO is going to have to wade through a lake of something real nasty to find anything of any value.
The ONLY way to form an "informed opinion" on STO is to take the plunge and play it.
Expresso gave me a Hearthstone beta key.....I'm so happy
What I mean by mmorpgs are not for you is you said the game bores you and you didnt like the repeat missions of zone in kill 5 squads. All IM saying is EVERY mmo has quests like that and more often.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion of course and not everyone needs to hear your opinions. When someone posts this game is good you dont come in and flame him for stating he likes/loves the game.
I've been playing for weeks.I still enjoy the game. I am also a Star Wars fan. One of those anti star trek type of star wars fans. But I am more of a MMO fan than anything. I bought this game with no expectations. Not reading hype. I went in blind and I am very pleased. In fact I enjoy that it isnt 100% star trek. I feel there isnt enough star trek to make a complete mmo. There is plenty of diplomacy style missions still. So using that as an argument is not valid. But also the game wasnt created to be a Liver. Game. Thus meaning you build everything, and everything you has has a negative or positive effect. The game wasnt made to be all happy and singing and dancing all the time. The story chosen for the game and timeline was picked for a reason. To be more involved in the conflicts and wars of its time period. A time in which diplomacy didn't mean much. There are still attempts but thats not what the game is about and if you were expecting that some how when it wasn't ever said in the first place then yea you are disappointed. Then again if your basing off that style of thinking then 90% of the games you place your disappointed in. Unless your playing Mortal or Runescape. Even then those games are modelled around combat and war.
And what makes a game good? WHat makes a game good infact does differ from person to person. Not what a site ranks it or votes on it. Not if it actually wins awards. What makes the game good and successful is if it lives. If it stands. SWG is Successful. Until it closes its doors and shuts down. It is successful. If 1 person likes it. it is a good game. So saying that people liking it and saying it is a good game doesnt make it one. Is false. You dont like it makes it a bad game to you. Me liking it makes it a good game to me. The game will succeed and it has had great sales for a launch. Im not expecting 2million or close after the first month. That just means all the bad players and crybabies are gone. All those people who were hoping for a scifi wow are gone. Then the game can progress.
This is MMORPG.com. People will voice their opinion on EVERY game. Even the ones you like. If you want only the fanboys to comment, you should post on the Star Trek Online Forums. this is a place were people look for opions and want to hear both sides, good or bad so they can make an informed opinion about the game.
Sure, some of the opinions are harsh. But they are just that,,,,, OPINIONS. Every one's game of coice WILL get negative opinons. the bottom line is, you can't make a thread saying "This game is good" and expect the people who hate the game to be Silent.
Almost every thread on this forum is littered with misleading information and downright lies posted as fact. This forum is a haven of bullcrap and anyone who buys into half the "reviews" expressed here is a fool.
Have you even read the official forums? They are no better.
Anyone who puts any stock in anything posted here or the official forums when trying to decide if they want to try STO is going to have to wade through a lake of something real nasty to find anything of any value.
The ONLY way to form an "informed opinion" on STO is to take the plunge and play it.
AMEN Let yourself be the judge..not opinions of others
I've noticed i tend to enjoy a game more...when i don't let all the negative remarks reflect my opinion of a game i haven't played yet.
Why should "joe shmo's" review matter to me? I'm the one that's going to pay to play the game. I think i'll decide tyvm
Idk maybe im stupid but i dont get why ppl bash games so much...unless it has something to do with that person buying/playing a game they were expecting to be something else....in turn got let down again soo all that s left is to be bitter and start mixing the jug of haterade.
Almost every thread on this forum is littered with misleading information and downright lies posted as fact. This forum is a haven of bullcrap and anyone who buys into half the "reviews" expressed here is a fool.
Have you even read the official forums? They are no better.
Anyone who puts any stock in anything posted here or the official forums when trying to decide if they want to try STO is going to have to wade through a lake of something real nasty to find anything of any value.
The ONLY way to form an "informed opinion" on STO is to take the plunge and play it.
These forums are for PVP, plain and simple. Stop trying to find truth, meaning, logic or anything else in them.
We're here to win, and "prove" to the other side that they are wrong. (of course, we can't, but we're having fun so that's fine)
As you mentioned, playing the game is the only way to be 100% sure whether or not you'll like the game.
But I'm OK with being 80% sure that I won't, so I'll pass for now.
As others have said, OP likes it for now, lets see where he stands at the end of the free month.
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What I mean by mmorpgs are not for you is you said the game bores you and you didnt like the repeat missions of zone in kill 5 squads. All IM saying is EVERY mmo has quests like that and more often.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion of course and not everyone needs to hear your opinions. When someone posts this game is good you dont come in and flame him for stating he likes/loves the game.
I've been playing for weeks.I still enjoy the game. I am also a Star Wars fan. One of those anti star trek type of star wars fans. But I am more of a MMO fan than anything. I bought this game with no expectations. Not reading hype. I went in blind and I am very pleased. In fact I enjoy that it isnt 100% star trek. I feel there isnt enough star trek to make a complete mmo. There is plenty of diplomacy style missions still. So using that as an argument is not valid. But also the game wasnt created to be a Liver. Game. Thus meaning you build everything, and everything you has has a negative or positive effect. The game wasnt made to be all happy and singing and dancing all the time. The story chosen for the game and timeline was picked for a reason. To be more involved in the conflicts and wars of its time period. A time in which diplomacy didn't mean much. There are still attempts but thats not what the game is about and if you were expecting that some how when it wasn't ever said in the first place then yea you are disappointed. Then again if your basing off that style of thinking then 90% of the games you place your disappointed in. Unless your playing Mortal or Runescape. Even then those games are modelled around combat and war.
And what makes a game good? WHat makes a game good infact does differ from person to person. Not what a site ranks it or votes on it. Not if it actually wins awards. What makes the game good and successful is if it lives. If it stands. SWG is Successful. Until it closes its doors and shuts down. It is successful. If 1 person likes it. it is a good game. So saying that people liking it and saying it is a good game doesnt make it one. Is false. You dont like it makes it a bad game to you. Me liking it makes it a good game to me. The game will succeed and it has had great sales for a launch. Im not expecting 2million or close after the first month. That just means all the bad players and crybabies are gone. All those people who were hoping for a scifi wow are gone. Then the game can progress.
This is MMORPG.com. People will voice their opinion on EVERY game. Even the ones you like. If you want only the fanboys to comment, you should post on the Star Trek Online Forums. this is a place were people look for opions and want to hear both sides, good or bad so they can make an informed opinion about the game.
Sure, some of the opinions are harsh. But they are just that,,,,, OPINIONS. Every one's game of coice WILL get negative opinons. the bottom line is, you can't make a thread saying "This game is good" and expect the people who hate the game to be Silent.
Almost every thread on this forum is littered with misleading information and downright lies posted as fact. This forum is a haven of bullcrap and anyone who buys into half the "reviews" expressed here is a fool.
Have you even read the official forums? They are no better.
Anyone who puts any stock in anything posted here or the official forums when trying to decide if they want to try STO is going to have to wade through a lake of something real nasty to find anything of any value.
The ONLY way to form an "informed opinion" on STO is to take the plunge and play it.
I am not following what you are saying. I give my Honest Opinion. and it is just that. an Opinion. so from what you said, Everyone is Lieing. That means the point of this whole thread {and Others} is to Troll?
There are 2 points of view, Pros and Cons, Never one without the Other. If I want to research the Game, I want to hear from both, Fanboys and Haters so i can get an opinion on on both sides of the coin. I don't want to hear the Cons from a Fanboy, They would be downplayed, Same with the Pros, I don't want to hear those from a Hater, they are going to down play them all so. To get an honest opinion, you have to look at both and decide whats for you.
You will get BS from some, but if you cant see the good, bad , and BS, you diserve to get burned.
{And NO this is NOT a PvP site, Its a MMO Site with alot of PvPers, But it isn't their site}
Question to the OP: How long have you been playing? Because it sounds like you just started playing and then the games feels all fresh and fun. But only after maybe 30-40 hours you will notice that there is nothing new to see or do and you are pretty much repeating the same cycle of missions as you did before. Champions Online was the same and so is this game, the surface looks nice but it has almost zero depth. Play the game a while and then get back to us if you still think the game is a good MMO and not just a single player game with 50, or so, hours of gameplay.
Im aware of this effect, which is why i explictly mentioned CO and me giving up on that one within 2 hours. I like to think that i have enough experience by now to differentiate between 'fun cause its new' and im 'genuinly liking the gameplay'.
Also i come from eve, and if there is one thing i learned there its that its your own damn fault if you play your mmo like a singleplayer and then complain its not fun/like singleplayer. Join a corp/fleep/guild and do stuff with people you know instead of strangers you meet in some grouping tool, being lazy and waiting for some fun guys to jump you and force you to run some fun instance with them is usually not going to happen on its own.
Also for me its usually the reverse, i hate the early lvls because everything is simplistic and you lack core skills, and enjoy tha later lvls when the difficulty rises. Only exception to that was warhammer, and it was kind of a special case.
Im enjoying STO also. Speaking of the vulcan ambasador map, thats a big map. I decided to kill all the klingons this time around (played beta) and theres alot of em .
Have you done the mission where you have to find these beacons in a sandstorm(think it was a sandstorm) and you can barly see your team mates? thats a intresting mission to beat.
Hope they add more ground missions I dont know why but Ground missions are my favorite part of the game.
And Im glad they didnt go heavy crafting, wandering empty space for 30 minutes or going back and forth between NPCs being there b*tch....I mean messanger in the name of diplomacy.
Anyone know if ur class changes what missions you get? I dont have some missions I did in beta(security) and I have some that I didnt have in beta.
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Nice post, and glad to see a positive one for a change. The point you made is a good one, although it's ok for peeps to post their opinions on this site, I wouldn't base my decision on anything they say, since what they don't like, you may like and vice versa. There is no wrong or right here, there is simply do I LIKE IT or NOT. Sad to see people insult those that like it because they don't. I really respect their opinions and they have a right to one, but I wish they could respect the opinions of those that like the game.
Ive yet to play a game where starting levels 1-10 or 1-20 is anything like endgame.
AOC is a great example. The classes are so out of whack at start and all the content is so drastically different once you level and progress.
I never said it was what this post was about. However someone brought it up so I responded.
The game isn't crap.
In regards to the item mall. I don't see a problem with it. It gives another way for a company to make money. Considering money is what creates the games and keeps them running. Nothing the item mall is a requirement and will directly effect game play. It is all cosmetic. Gives a person something to show off. In CO they have respecs which you can get in game. They have extra character slots which I don't see a problem with. Guild Wars did the same thing. So did others.
So to sum up what your saying, Your opinion of the game is the only one that counts, and people who DON'T like the game must keep silent?
My opinion is the one that counts to me! if you dont like the game make sure your not beating a dead horse with same old opinions. If you are move along, cause it gets old.
(BBBBBWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH askes for many appointments to see Commander Troi!)
All my opinions are just that..opinions. If you like my opinions..coolness.If you dont like my opinion....I really dont care.
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It is the nature of the internet. People on both sides get it. Read forums with messages of "i`m done" or "i`m quitting", and the response is normally "Don`t let the dorr hit ya on the way out" or "can I have your stuff"
There was even a post in this thread that was bashing those that offered their Negative opionions.
Debate is always heated.
Played WOW (5 years), AOC, AO, EQ2,AC2, Horizons, Saga of Ryzom, SWG, CO, STO(Beta),ROM, Allods, and many other F2P titles. Asl been in beta for many of the main titles and played countless SP games. I have been gaming for 15+ years!
So to sum up what your saying, Your opinion of the game is the only one that counts, and people who DON'T like the game must keep silent?
My opinion is the one that counts to me! if you dont like the game make sure your not beating a dead horse with same old opinions. If you are move along, cause it gets old.
(BBBBBWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH askes for many appointments to see Commander Troi!)
Troi!!! Ewwwwww, you need glasses. Dr Crusher is way more hotter then Troi.
But Guild Wars isn't charging $15 a Month. Big Difference.
as far as the game being Crap, You missunderstand what I was saying.
If people don't like it, why would they have to keep playing? You said they don't play it long enough to get how good it is?
True I don't like the game. It's a space game with a Star Trek Name. It is far from being Star Trek. IT seems the game's focus is Combat, Combat , and More Combat. Star Trek was not about Combat, Most situations on Star Trek were all about Avoiding Combat.
I see this one a lot and although it's true about the the IP, I don't think it makes sense in an MMO. If they made STO like the series and movies, then it would be the series or a movie. They tried to make a game that was fun and of course we all know, combat in games is fun. I'm not sure what people think this came should be, all dialogue.....watching Kirk and Spock have a chat on the bridge or Troi giving a boring psycho babble lecture would not be much of a fun game. If I want that, I'll rent the DVD of the movie.
This is a game. Action action action translates to buying customers and fun. Just my opinion.
1. I expect some of these concerns will be addressed as the game grows. For me (and I have always been a big Trek fan), however, calling combat "a relatively small part" of the Trek universe just makes me smile. Combat is huge in Star Trek movies and series, so I just don't get this criticism. I cannot think of an episode in the original series that didn't involve fighting at some level. The game would be terribly boring if it focused on, say, diplomacy, rather than combat. Total Zzzzz.
2. What "a lot of players" expect of an MMORPG is so diverse that I cannot imagine any game fulfilling this expectation. STO is targeting a particular type of MMORPG player, a subgroup, as do most MMORPGs. Guild Wars and LotRO are reasonably successful MMORPGs, but they nevertheless target different groups and the two games are very different.
3. The marketing DOES bother me. I really wish they'd opted for a Guild Wars + perhaps MT model. The addition of a sub seems over the top to me and is the primary reason I haven't given this game a try. I intend to wait for a free trial at least and for the price(s) to come down.
OP: I VERY much appreciated your review. What's most useful to me, at this point, is learning why people do and do not like the game. Most of the reasons given for not liking the game just don't matter to me; it was helpful to read a player review giving reasons why one player is enjoying STO.
My favorite MMO to date has been Guild Wars--not everyone's cup of tea, but I sure like it. STO sounds very similar, though in a space setting. The big hurdle for me right now is the general priciness (box price + sub + MT) of the whole deal.
Still playin after a week....i havent run out of content (but then im not power leveling to 50 so i can sit around and bitch about how theres no content)
Yes socialization needs work...such issues should be made known to cryptic...the more ppl that suggest a more social game the better the chances they will work on getting it there. If not...i'll still play.
And nope im not a hardcore star trek fan so maybe i didnt come into this mmo expecting the world some of you were expecting but ya know, i give them props for putting out a game with a decent base to start from.
Imo, when a game gets me so into it to where i look at the clock one minute....then look back only to notice 2-3hrs have passed...id say they were somewhat successful in my eyes as far as delivering what i wanted.....a game i can lose myself in.
Its only going to get better...if not then i'll add it to notch on my belt...enjoy the time i had and move on to the next game that suits me for the time being.
until then...beam me up lol
as far as i know the games about 30 sum bucks depending on who ya git it from including a month of play...mine came to like $47 and sum change.
I see this one a lot and although it's true about the the IP, I don't think it makes sense in an MMO. If they made STO like the series and movies, then it would be the series or a movie. They tried to make a game that was fun and of course we all know, combat in games is fun. I'm not sure what people think this came should be, all dialogue.....watching Kirk and Spock have a chat on the bridge or Troi giving a boring psycho babble lecture would not be much of a fun game. If I want that, I'll rent the DVD of the movie.
This is a game. Action action action translates to buying customers and fun. Just my opinion.
EXACTLY!!!
I see this one a lot and although it's true about the the IP, I don't think it makes sense in an MMO. If they made STO like the series and movies, then it would be the series or a movie. They tried to make a game that was fun and of course we all know, combat in games is fun. I'm not sure what people think this came should be, all dialogue.....watching Kirk and Spock have a chat on the bridge or Troi giving a boring psycho babble lecture would not be much of a fun game. If I want that, I'll rent the DVD of the movie.
This is a game. Action action action translates to buying customers and fun. Just my opinion.
Your Missing the Point. the game is ALL combat. It's the total oposite of what it is about.
So putting you in a situation that you have to get out of useing your brain isn't fun. shootting everything is the only way to make it fun? This is a MMORPG, and the RPG stands for Roll Playing Game. Your not roll playing. maybe this should be a MMOCS and CS should stand for Combat Simulator.
When I saw this game for the first time I was expecting Lots of situations to get out of with overwelming odds, and all I got was Shoot everything. So calling it Star Trek is Not only missleading, it's a Lie.
Star Trek the 25th Annaversery, Star Trek Judgment Rites, and Star Trek the Next Generation A final Unity are prime examples of Star Trek. Good Games [For The Time} Not everything requires Combat, and would make Great MMORPG's if done right.
1. I expect some of these concerns will be addressed as the game grows. For me (and I have always been a big Trek fan), however, calling combat "a relatively small part" of the Trek universe just makes me smile. Combat is huge in Star Trek movies and series, so I just don't get this criticism. I cannot think of an episode in the original series that didn't involve fighting at some level. The game would be terribly boring if it focused on, say, diplomacy, rather than combat. Total Zzzzz.
2. What "a lot of players" expect of an MMORPG is so diverse that I cannot imagine any game fulfilling this expectation. STO is targeting a particular type of MMORPG player, a subgroup, as do most MMORPGs. Guild Wars and LotRO are reasonably successful MMORPGs, but they nevertheless target different groups and the two games are very different.
3. The marketing DOES bother me. I really wish they'd opted for a Guild Wars + perhaps MT model. The addition of a sub seems over the top to me and is the primary reason I haven't given this game a try. I intend to wait for a free trial at least and for the price(s) to come down.
OP: I VERY much appreciated your review. What's most useful to me, at this point, is learning why people do and do not like the game. Most of the reasons given for not liking the game just don't matter to me; it was helpful to read a player review giving reasons why one player is enjoying STO.
My favorite MMO to date has been Guild Wars--not everyone's cup of tea, but I sure like it. STO sounds very similar, though in a space setting. The big hurdle for me right now is the general priciness (box price + sub + MT) of the whole deal.
When I hear about basic things (like fleshing out the IP) possibly being implemented at a later date that just means to me the game was launched incomplete and its questionable if it will ever be completed.
Also about the combat being a big or small part of the IP (I knew when I wrote that I'd get dinged on it) I mean percentage wise, even when there was "combat" the actual time of weapons firing is definitely a small part the show. Combat is always ABOUT to happen but its often avoided and when not, is usually brief. And of course really over the course of the series there was a LOT more going on than ship/ground combat. And while you may find those other things boring, I say that a game that offers a lot of things to a lot of people results in a richer more dynamic player base and that equals more fun for everyone even if those other people are doing things you find boring.
And of course I didn't mean to say STO should attempt to be all MMO's to all people, I was just noting that that is one of the major complaints.
Question to the OP: How long have you been playing?
Because it sounds like you just started playing and then the games feels all fresh and fun. But only after maybe 30-40 hours you will notice that there is nothing new to see or do and you are pretty much repeating the same cycle of missions as you did before. Champions Online was the same and so is this game, the surface looks nice but it has almost zero depth.
Play the game a while and then get back to us if you still think the game is a good MMO and not just a single player game with 50, or so, hours of gameplay.
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all mmos are teh same. wow quests were much the same at 20 as they were at 50 or 60. before that it was camp a spot and grind mobs for 50 hours a level.
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true true...my favorite thing in swg was crafting...not combat.
who's to say they wont add more of the non-combat missions in the future...i think if they focused on what u wanted instead of the combat....the game probably would have failed.
combat is an essential in any game....tryin to make a new/different way to change that is cool...but when ya got an IP like star trek ppl that arent trekkies expect the pew pew...boom boom in thier game.
so why not deliver the easier stuff (combat) and work on the other things in time.
so many ppl are so quick to judge and dismiss a game just because its not revolutionizing the gaming industry and changing the mmo world....games try that every day....hence why we dont hear about them to much.
See, there are those of us who enjoy the game :P
yes..yes i do.
I feel as though i have received my moneys worth.
This is MMORPG.com. People will voice their opinion on EVERY game. Even the ones you like. If you want only the fanboys to comment, you should post on the Star Trek Online Forums. this is a place were people look for opions and want to hear both sides, good or bad so they can make an informed opinion about the game.
Sure, some of the opinions are harsh. But they are just that,,,,, OPINIONS. Every one's game of coice WILL get negative opinons. the bottom line is, you can't make a thread saying "This game is good" and expect the people who hate the game to be Silent.
Almost every thread on this forum is littered with misleading information and downright lies posted as fact. This forum is a haven of bullcrap and anyone who buys into half the "reviews" expressed here is a fool.
Have you even read the official forums? They are no better.
Anyone who puts any stock in anything posted here or the official forums when trying to decide if they want to try STO is going to have to wade through a lake of something real nasty to find anything of any value.
The ONLY way to form an "informed opinion" on STO is to take the plunge and play it.
Expresso gave me a Hearthstone beta key.....I'm so happy
This is MMORPG.com. People will voice their opinion on EVERY game. Even the ones you like. If you want only the fanboys to comment, you should post on the Star Trek Online Forums. this is a place were people look for opions and want to hear both sides, good or bad so they can make an informed opinion about the game.
Sure, some of the opinions are harsh. But they are just that,,,,, OPINIONS. Every one's game of coice WILL get negative opinons. the bottom line is, you can't make a thread saying "This game is good" and expect the people who hate the game to be Silent.
Almost every thread on this forum is littered with misleading information and downright lies posted as fact. This forum is a haven of bullcrap and anyone who buys into half the "reviews" expressed here is a fool.
Have you even read the official forums? They are no better.
Anyone who puts any stock in anything posted here or the official forums when trying to decide if they want to try STO is going to have to wade through a lake of something real nasty to find anything of any value.
The ONLY way to form an "informed opinion" on STO is to take the plunge and play it.
AMEN Let yourself be the judge..not opinions of others
I've noticed i tend to enjoy a game more...when i don't let all the negative remarks reflect my opinion of a game i haven't played yet.
Why should "joe shmo's" review matter to me? I'm the one that's going to pay to play the game. I think i'll decide tyvm
Idk maybe im stupid but i dont get why ppl bash games so much...unless it has something to do with that person buying/playing a game they were expecting to be something else....in turn got let down again soo all that s left is to be bitter and start mixing the jug of haterade.
Almost every thread on this forum is littered with misleading information and downright lies posted as fact. This forum is a haven of bullcrap and anyone who buys into half the "reviews" expressed here is a fool.
Have you even read the official forums? They are no better.
Anyone who puts any stock in anything posted here or the official forums when trying to decide if they want to try STO is going to have to wade through a lake of something real nasty to find anything of any value.
The ONLY way to form an "informed opinion" on STO is to take the plunge and play it.
These forums are for PVP, plain and simple. Stop trying to find truth, meaning, logic or anything else in them.
We're here to win, and "prove" to the other side that they are wrong. (of course, we can't, but we're having fun so that's fine)
As you mentioned, playing the game is the only way to be 100% sure whether or not you'll like the game.
But I'm OK with being 80% sure that I won't, so I'll pass for now.
As others have said, OP likes it for now, lets see where he stands at the end of the free month.
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This is MMORPG.com. People will voice their opinion on EVERY game. Even the ones you like. If you want only the fanboys to comment, you should post on the Star Trek Online Forums. this is a place were people look for opions and want to hear both sides, good or bad so they can make an informed opinion about the game.
Sure, some of the opinions are harsh. But they are just that,,,,, OPINIONS. Every one's game of coice WILL get negative opinons. the bottom line is, you can't make a thread saying "This game is good" and expect the people who hate the game to be Silent.
Almost every thread on this forum is littered with misleading information and downright lies posted as fact. This forum is a haven of bullcrap and anyone who buys into half the "reviews" expressed here is a fool.
Have you even read the official forums? They are no better.
Anyone who puts any stock in anything posted here or the official forums when trying to decide if they want to try STO is going to have to wade through a lake of something real nasty to find anything of any value.
The ONLY way to form an "informed opinion" on STO is to take the plunge and play it.
I am not following what you are saying. I give my Honest Opinion. and it is just that. an Opinion. so from what you said, Everyone is Lieing. That means the point of this whole thread {and Others} is to Troll?
There are 2 points of view, Pros and Cons, Never one without the Other. If I want to research the Game, I want to hear from both, Fanboys and Haters so i can get an opinion on on both sides of the coin. I don't want to hear the Cons from a Fanboy, They would be downplayed, Same with the Pros, I don't want to hear those from a Hater, they are going to down play them all so. To get an honest opinion, you have to look at both and decide whats for you.
You will get BS from some, but if you cant see the good, bad , and BS, you diserve to get burned.
{And NO this is NOT a PvP site, Its a MMO Site with alot of PvPers, But it isn't their site}
Im aware of this effect, which is why i explictly mentioned CO and me giving up on that one within 2 hours. I like to think that i have enough experience by now to differentiate between 'fun cause its new' and im 'genuinly liking the gameplay'.
Also i come from eve, and if there is one thing i learned there its that its your own damn fault if you play your mmo like a singleplayer and then complain its not fun/like singleplayer. Join a corp/fleep/guild and do stuff with people you know instead of strangers you meet in some grouping tool, being lazy and waiting for some fun guys to jump you and force you to run some fun instance with them is usually not going to happen on its own.
Also for me its usually the reverse, i hate the early lvls because everything is simplistic and you lack core skills, and enjoy tha later lvls when the difficulty rises. Only exception to that was warhammer, and it was kind of a special case.
STO is a good game. It may have flaws and its style may not fit for everyone, but I am certainly having a blast playing it.
Im enjoying STO also. Speaking of the vulcan ambasador map, thats a big map. I decided to kill all the klingons this time around (played beta) and theres alot of em .
Have you done the mission where you have to find these beacons in a sandstorm(think it was a sandstorm) and you can barly see your team mates? thats a intresting mission to beat.
Hope they add more ground missions I dont know why but Ground missions are my favorite part of the game.
And Im glad they didnt go heavy crafting, wandering empty space for 30 minutes or going back and forth between NPCs being there b*tch....I mean messanger in the name of diplomacy.
Anyone know if ur class changes what missions you get? I dont have some missions I did in beta(security) and I have some that I didnt have in beta.