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Reasons Why WoW has the #1 worse community player base.
-exo
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Let's Talk about player base. No, not "skills" in a game or how well people do at the game, but the community itself. Sure every game has it's A- .... Jerks.... and most people throw them on an ignore list or decide to just avoid them. The problem here with World of warcraft is the game was made for everyone under the sun. From Grandmothers , to babysitters, to Gays to lawyers, Police officers, Your local Grocery store manager.
This game was originally built for the "hard core" Gamer. Since the release of burning crusade the game decided to investigate a huge black hole in the ground, slip and fell, and is now in this constant tumble of getting worse and worse. Originally the "complaints" were on how the content is getting easy, the content "there isn't enough, "they are ruining the lore!", tons of other things just for the game itself. But now I come to a stand point where this has become the last straw. Blizzards community has been so ... "non caring"... about one another ... it is as though the real world was brought into this game.
Now, let's back track here for a second. I was invited to the closed beta in this game during 2004 , have followed the WC series since 1994. I distinctly remember having to actually be in a party with people to work for my gear along with competing with 40 other people.
Just recently , these past few days, my wife and brother in law have hit the level cap of 80. I have been helping run with them through some heroics to help them "gear" their "toons". My hunter is in most of the Tier 10 gear also with a lot of the ICC pieces since the release of the patch. Now it just so happens, every group we get , people decide that their crap doesn't stink and decide to bash these two new players for everything under the sun, nit picking on some of the most stupid crap I have seen since the release of this game. yet of course they say nothing to me because of my "Gear". I find it very strange how people yet expect everyone to already have the items needed to complete say such dungeon or raid, WHEN THAT IS WHY THEY WERE THERE TO BEGIN WITH.
This really is the last straw, the community has gotten so bad and foul that it sickens me to even talk with the majority of the people in this game. The "wow mentality" has gotten this label for that exact reason. It makes me even more upset to know that I have to pick up two other game subscriptions just to fill a community void because A lot of these players in world of warcraft think "hey, it's the internet not like these people are real or ever see them. " WRONG. with as big as this game is, you are bound to at least run into people once whether it is on another game ( which i have plenty of times already ) or could be at your local ice cream parlor.. or some where else random ( which i have as well.)
this game is no longer the game that immerses you into a "Fantasy" world, well not for me at the least. This is the kind of game now that makes you feel like you live in the back alley's of New york City. A Dog eat Dog world.
I will close with this...
Those of you who really do think this way as far as the "wow mentality" goes, I really do feel sorry for you seeing how you are missing out on a lot of other joys right now the gaming industry has to offer. not just that but even other types of games have to offer. Do you miss actually having fun? instead of trying to compete for #1 dps/tank/heals? I know I do... I'm sick of having to feel like the game is a job. Most of all I'm sick of "working" with people in a game, and not playing with them, like the game intends.
Thank you for taking your time out of your day/night to read this thread. Greatly appreciated 
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-exo
www.roxstudiodesigns.com
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And it doesn't end there it's all the communities. There was a guy who recently posted here that played a Ranger in EQ2 but the guild told him to reroll something else or go find another server. So it's not only WoW (even though they seem to migrate from here) it encompasses all games in general. I feel your pain on this and MMO's are becoming more and more less social even though it should be a social game to begin with. Once you start implementing "solo" material the game already becomes non social because you don't need to depend on other people. Defeats the purpose and even "social" networking site are becoming non-social.
Everyone on the internet is a douchebag. MMO gamers, even more so. Sorry to have to break it to you.
ptoblem with WoW is that now every housekeeper/housewife and nanny can have everything with not too much effort...and the thing is that they think they are imba and pros!....
Why do you care?
Every game that I have ever played in the MMO world that is based around your gear/stats/and knowing the set mechanics of an encounter has been filled with elitiest jerks. Those factors stated create it and foster it. It is no longer about the fun or the challenge it is about doing a run 1 time in under X amount of time because the math says if you do not meet those requirements you are wasting your time. Idiots are the ones that just blame WoW....but mostlikely they have not played anything else up to a high enough level to know that other games are like this.
While leveling everyone is nice and friendly, but the end game in most of these games blows due to the players not the game.
Actually no, and i was waiting for a post like this. Just today, i was in a group with a new fellow to the game . he types in part chat "hey guys, i've never done this instance before and i really don't want to be kicked." I replied " hey that's fine, we will teach you." I have NEVER seen someone actually in so much confusion they had to ask " why are you being so nice to me? Thank you though for not kicking me, though i don't have the proper requirements."
Its been either that long that someone has been nice to this guy in this game, or he has been in so many groups with so many "douchebags" as you put it that he has to state a speech before he begins to "work" with these people. IF you ask me that's pretty sick and twisted that someone has to "bow down" to the BS of the typical WoW player like so.
By the way, on the EQ comment. You are correct. Eq did have these kinds of people, but at the least EQ provided a challenge and your reputation with people did matter to some degree.
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-Now this is how i also feel about the game.....i couldnt said it better m8 thank you for this post, tonight i did shift+delete on my WoW folder and tomorrow im going to PC Game Store to get something else.....enough is enough
Not saying this just because it's your icon...but I played Aion at beta and on. I quit it cause the community is so terrible and for a few other reasons but that's not what this is about
. IMO (and that's what the OP is about, a matter of opinion) WoW isn't as bad as Aion.
Its bad when you play a mmo and you have the general chat turned off. I never had to do that in EQ back in '99.
"It''s like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls."
--Exar_Kun on SWG''s NGE
I once prayed to God for a bike, but quickly found out he didnt work that way...so I stole a bike and prayed for his forgiveness.
"Some people play tennis, I erode the human soul."
-Tycho
Not really not every mmo has addons that makes your epeen look bigger because you have x gear and z achievement so no not all games let it get this much freedom in being a douchbag and such.
Actually no, and i was waiting for a post like this. Just today, i was in a group with a new fellow to the game . he types in part chat "hey guys, i've never done this instance before and i really don't want to be kicked." I replied " hey that's fine, we will teach you." I have NEVER seen someone actually in so much confusion they had to ask " why are you being so nice to me? Thank you though for not kicking me, though i don't have the proper requirements."
Its been either that long that someone has been nice to this guy in this game, or he has been in so many groups with so many "douchebags" as you put it that he has to state a speech before he begins to "work" with these people. IF you ask me that's pretty sick and twisted that someone has to "bow down" to the BS of the typical WoW player like so.
By the way, on the EQ comment. You are correct. Eq did have these kinds of people, but at the least EQ provided a challenge and your reputation with people did matter to some degree.
ok you contridict yourself. either WoW is challenging in that new people, to top end content, get confused or it is so easy that no one gets confused....or you just have angst again WoW and decided to take it out here.
I have to agree with you.
And as far as socializing in WoW...I don't anymore (other than friends), for the exact reasons that you just posted.
-100% true, i played LOTRO at begining and the game was not about gear and it had awesome community, but with latest expansion its all about gear and grinding medallions (like emblems in wow) for gear and ppl started to act same as in wow or any other game that is based on gear/stats like you said.
Oh, i don't play Aion anymore. I was invited to the aion beta as well. I just like the picture
. And WoW's community was and still is ten times as worse then Aion. At the least in Aion, i could deal with people camping me for hours upon end. In Aion the community at the least did care about their reputation on their own faction. Keep in Mind too Aion had a split half of people from Guild wars /lineage and WoW. This is what that game attracted.
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When you have any times the player base of every other MMO that also means you have many times the assholes and anal retentive jerkwads too. There are MMOs out there with worse communities on a whole than WoW it's just there are more WoW players.
Actually no, and i was waiting for a post like this. Just today, i was in a group with a new fellow to the game . he types in part chat "hey guys, i've never done this instance before and i really don't want to be kicked." I replied " hey that's fine, we will teach you." I have NEVER seen someone actually in so much confusion they had to ask " why are you being so nice to me? Thank you though for not kicking me, though i don't have the proper requirements."
Its been either that long that someone has been nice to this guy in this game, or he has been in so many groups with so many "douchebags" as you put it that he has to state a speech before he begins to "work" with these people. IF you ask me that's pretty sick and twisted that someone has to "bow down" to the BS of the typical WoW player like so.
By the way, on the EQ comment. You are correct. Eq did have these kinds of people, but at the least EQ provided a challenge and your reputation with people did matter to some degree.
ok you contridict yourself. either WoW is challenging in that new people, to top end content, get confused or it is so easy that no one gets confused....or you just have angst again WoW and decided to take it out here.
I honestly don't think you read the name of my post. The title is called " Reasons Why WoW has the #1 worse community player base. " And you are focusing on top end content and a challenge to players. I posted the content and challenge to players to give the example that it's not JUST gamers that are brought in to the game. You can still be a gamer, and be a complete "noob" to a game. Unless you are just trying to flame me because you think I'm some nerd rage quitting fanboi who decided to post on mmorpg.com and you are trying to take a low stab at me because you can.
www.roxstudiodesigns.com
Oh, i don't play Aion anymore. I was invited to the aion beta as well. I just like the picture
. And WoW's community was and still is ten times as worse then Aion. At the least in Aion, i could deal with people camping me for hours upon end. In Aion the community at the least did care about their reputation on their own faction. Keep in Mind too Aion had a split half of people from Guild wars /lineage and WoW. This is what that game attracted.
Don't forget he said he played in beta the time were everyone could enter and were 90% of the chat was that wow is better then aion or fighting on wow everything was almost on wow in chat so don't tell me there were no wow fanboys in beta that after they found out it's not their cup of tea remaind logged just to bash it.
This is sometimes beatiful though.
I have very very good gear, it does not say much about me though.
However, I was doing culling of stratholme some weeks ago and as people do they inspected me.
Now all my 251 to 264 aside I have an mp5 gem in my belt, it is there for a reason, I take my DPS spreadsheets seriously and I just had to much mana downtime and them few mp5 gave me the break point I needed., I did not bother to try to explain this fact though, but there just was no end to the bitching about this single gem.
Now I rarely pull out all the stops on heroics, I was out in the lead dps wise even though the bitching warrior had equal gear.
So we come to malganis and I say, "1k gold to you if you beat me on this one, remember I have an mp5 gem so you should kick my arse readily enough?"
Guy was italian or something, and not all that old I gather but took from what he said, "ok".
Now I pulled out all the stops, hitting just a sliver below 9k on the boss.
The hardass warrior just crawled above 5.
Was I smug about it afterwards?
You bet your ass.
Did I get my 1k gold?
What do you think?
My point is.
Dumbasses can be fun, laugh AT them, dont argue WITH them..
All that aside though, yes I agree with the OP in many ways.
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Originally posted by Jerek_
I wonder if you honestly even believe what you type, or if you live in a made up world of facts.
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Very nice post and it brings up a lot of problems with most mmo's these days.
Oh and for those people that did not play Eq before it too got "easy". if you were a jerk or a A$$hat. You name did get around fast and most times if those people got in on raids in Hate or Fear the raid would make sure you lost your stuff. So yes you rep was very important in high end content.
Ah the good old days of player justice to jerky players.
Oh wait, they put in some npc or something that you could summon your body back...... buggers
Take care and have a wonderful day!
Oh and you took the high road labeling one game out of your most likely limited experience as the worst community....that high road must be the shore of the sea....
I quit wow 7 months ago only to return the last two weeks and try out some of the new instances like Pit of Saron, Forge of Souls, and Hall of Reflection.
I go on my DK as DPS with a gearscore of (3800). I had no idea what gearscore was until someone told me "you won't get invited to raids/groups" if you don't know your gear score. Before it was, "Must have 20k hp/armor for Karazhan," "Must be able to do 4k DPS," etc. But I digress. Well, I get into Pit of Saron for the first time, and it so happens the tank has a gearscore of 5900. The first thing he says, is not "Hi, how are you" or "Let's have a good run." He says, "Damn, I have to f'in carry your ass."
I've thought a lot about this. I don't blame Blizzard since they didn't create the community. But I do blame them for being completely apathetic about it. I've thought a lot about this issue. Is it because there are more people playing wow so that you hve more D-bags? No, becauase as a percentage, I've experienced more elitist D-bags in wow than in any other game.
I think MODS like (Gearscore, Recount, Omen, DMB) have created the most elitist community in any MMO to date (and i've played at least 12 MMOS).
YES! Every single MMO has a D-bags. But as a percentage, I saw far less in games like FFXI and LOTR than I ever did in WoW. At some point in FFXI, I started to play the game more for the community than any other reason (though there were plenty of other reasons).
It's really really sad, and as a father and a husband, I would never let my son and wife play a game with this type of community. Although, my son is very young and doesn't play games, the concern remains the same.
I think instead, what i am going to do is create an "age maturity" guild community here on WoW. Personally for the players who do enjoy raiding.. but also understand how important it is to help your fellow player to get the things needed for a guild as a whole.
So possibly instead here soon i'll throw up another post of the location and server im at in the guild recruitment thread, because due to just this thread i've had tons of people ask where I play and if they could join with me. So in that case, seeing how I already have a small guild of my own I haven o problem taking those of you in if you wish to xfer or re roll on the server I play on if you are really having that hard of a time currently in the game. Granted my server isn't filled with the greatest minds of players... but the economy at the least is great and can help supply for the guild needs.
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Oh and you took the high road labeling one game out of your most likely limited experience as the worst community....that high road must be the shore of the sea....
Well, shore of the Sea or not, it is the truth is it not??
www.roxstudiodesigns.com
I think one of the problems I have with the OPs post is because of this comment, " The problem here with World of warcraft is the game was made for everyone under the sun. From Grandmothers , to babysitters, to Gays to lawyers, Police officers, Your local Grocery store manager."
Do you honestly think it's these people that are being the elitist jerks and not letting new people in their groups? These are the people that are harrassing you poor hardcore gamers and being mean to you? You are delusional if that's what you think. The hardcore gamers that take the game way too seriously are the assbags that you're referring too with your post. You're logic is twisted into knots. Right after your comment that the game was made for everyone under the sun, you say it was originally built for the hardcore gamer....huh? Which is it?
I'm not trying to bash the OP or be a WoW fanboi. I'm just confused as to what he's trying to say. Is he upset with casual gamers for being elitist gamers? If so, that makes no sense to me. Is he mad at his fellow hardcore gamers but is transferring that anger to the "babysitters and grandmothers" so he doesn't have to blame himself and his fellow hardcore gamers for the state of the endgame "wow mentality"?