Unbelievable! It's my fault that I get griefed. You can't be serious. Are you trying to insinuate that because this game is FFA that I should expect griefing?
Actually yes, it's a given for FFA PvP. From my experience, if you die leave it at that, do not talk trash or comment on the players actions, this invites griefing. I'm not saying you did, btw.
I learned this lesson years ago. Griefers get off on people bitching about being griefed, if you act as though you don't care they tend to leave you alone. Better yet if you act as though you're having fun, it takes the fun out of it for them.
It's simply something that comes along with FFA PVP. Griefing is normal in any PVP environment. IF you let it get to you, they have accomplished their goal. Sad reality, but it is the reality of FFA PVP. TBH I wouldn't have it any other way.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Being ganked is definitely part of the game, especially at the beginning. I get ganked and lose everything at least one a day. I've taken advice from others and just accepted that this is the way it is in the beginning in Darkfall.
Strange though, it seems a 3-month old player would know this. I know it and I'm just over a week old.
Was the community in-game somehow nicer 3 months ago or something?
Yes, it seems that way at least. Three months ago, it didn't seem that bad, and I had a few helpful people out there assisting me. Now, it seems like things have gone downhill, at least that is what I experienced after rerolling.
Then you have proven my point Malicke, that these forum warriors are defending the garbage that comes along with FFA, that I should spend 1/6 or 1/12 of my day for two months to be competetive. Like I said, I can accept that. I just needed the affirmation from the forum warriors here that this is indeed true, and I got what I wanted. Thank you.
Yes, it seems that way at least. Three months ago, it didn't seem that bad, and I had a few helpful people out there assisting me. Now, it seems like things have gone downhill, at least that is what I experienced after rerolling.
Then you have proven my point Malicke, that these forum warriors are defending the garbage that comes along with FFA, that I should spend 1/6 or 1/12 of my day for two months to be competetive. Like I said, I can accept that. I just needed the affirmation from the forum warriors here that this is indeed true, and I got what I wanted. Thank you.
Well, based on my experience, you can't judge the community based on a few people that ganked you, because there's also many people that won't gank you and/or will do what they can to help you out.
Just yesterday I had a red give me back all my stuff after ganking me because he saw from my gear I was so new, and I fought back and didn't flip out about it. Just 30 minutes later, I got ganked by 3 reds on those lizard mounts and lost everything I was given back. So it goes in Darkfall.
My view on the whole subject is that there probably are more people that are just jerks an get their wads off from ganking newbies. However, that just goes to show that more mature and helpful people are needed to combat (literally) them.
Bottomline, though, I've gotten more help and offers for help in the first week in Darkfall then I ever did in any other MMORPG, and I've played many. You probably did too but you're letting the bad apples get to you. If you think a game community sucks unless you have a few people devoted to helping you out, then you must think every game community sucks.
But I did, and you confirmed as to why I won't touch this game with a 10-foot poll, or any FFA game to boot. Mods, you can lock this up now.
No, getting grifed is getting camped by the same person for an hour. Thats not what happened to you. You were killed by vets at the most popular spawns in the game which get ran through reguarlly due to 1) being one of the few places to find 1vX pvp without getting zerged, 2) human lands being full of dumb harvesters that don't know how to bank, 3) human lands being the most populated area.
This is why you will never catch me in a ffa pvp game. Its common knowlage that PvP attracts the scum of the MMO community.
Scum of the community? I don't think so. Have you played WoW, STO, or any other game recently? Its worse there then in DFO or any other PvP game I've played. What that tells me is that you don't want to be killed and only want to fight on your terms and can't handle being grifed.
hahaha, being greifed is not fun for anyone. If anyone says being ganked and greifed is fun they are full of manure. Hell even if I am the ganker or the greiver, I find no fun in that, hence why I dont do it. And no I have never played WoW nor sto, and I will never play wow or sto, not because of the community but because the game is garbage and I require more.
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Isn't that what I said Xipher? Or I need to explain myself again?
I was followed around every spawn, every noob spawn, in Copperdale for three days on my rerolled character. Monkfield was more of the same. Maybe not by the same person, but camping the newbie spawns? I mean c'mon, why do it? Those are not the most popular spawns in the game, I played long enough to know that. I've played other races, have gone to the same spawns, and haven't seen anyone for HOURS. Try again.
Isn't that what I said Xipher? Or I need to explain myself again?
I was followed around every spawn, every noob spawn, in Copperdale for three days on my rerolled character. Monkfield was more of the same. Maybe not by the same person, but camping the newbie spawns? I mean c'mon, why do it? Those are not the most popular spawns in the game, I played long enough to know that. I've played other races, have gone to the same spawns, and haven't seen anyone for HOURS. Try again.
This is why I've moved out of Humanlands for my first couple weeks. Humanlands is hell on Agon. You can too, just get a mount and ride to Elflands or Dwarflands.
Your experience sounds odd, especially since it's grown from "I was ganked at a newb spawn" and "An idiot I attacked out of anger killed me" to "I was followed around to every single newb spawn and griefed for three days".
It truly does sound like this game isn't for you, which you've already admitted multiple times. Good luck in your next game.
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Isn't that what I said Xipher? Or I need to explain myself again?
I was followed around every spawn, every noob spawn, in Copperdale for three days on my rerolled character. Monkfield was more of the same. Maybe not by the same person, but camping the newbie spawns? I mean c'mon, why do it? Those are not the most popular spawns in the game, I played long enough to know that. I've played other races, have gone to the same spawns, and haven't seen anyone for HOURS. Try again.
Come now.. you are just playing the wrong game and now complaining to others that you made a bad choice.
I don't play Darkfall just cause of it's FFA nature, cause I know, to me, that wouldn't be fun as there will be people who play within the games rule set.
Let me say this again to you..
THERE WILL BE PEOPLE WHO PLAY WITHIN THAT RULE SET.
They aren't assholes or jerks or whatever, they are playing the game they bought.. you sir, just picked the wrong game and need to stop crying to others about it.
I really don't care to discuss the pros and cons of what is being said in this thread. However I would like to point out the irony here...
Everyone who says anything negative about Darkfall gets flamed by the "hardcore" Darkfall fanbase. The flaming usually involves lots of "Q"s and name calling... As it takes a certain amount of maturity and respect (towards others) to follow the guideline of "If you can't say something nice don't say anything at all" one could assume that the high level of flaming done by the "hardcore" Darkfall fanbase is a reflection of their maturity and respect for others.
In short... Everyone who is making fun of and flaming him is basically supporting his point.
Isn't that what I said Xipher? Or I need to explain myself again?
I was followed around every spawn, every noob spawn, in Copperdale for three days on my rerolled character. Monkfield was more of the same. Maybe not by the same person, but camping the newbie spawns? I mean c'mon, why do it? Those are not the most popular spawns in the game, I played long enough to know that. I've played other races, have gone to the same spawns, and haven't seen anyone for HOURS. Try again.
You weren't grifed, you had a string of bad luck. Being grifed means the same person/group killing you over an over again. You went to the worst places in the game to level because they get hit by every romaing party.
What happened to you isn't grifing, what happened to you is just getting killed a lot in a populated area.
Finally, somebody actually sees the point behind this thread.
I've been trying to explain that for a better part of an hour now. It goes to show what the darkfall community is really like, and the fact that there are so many that support this garbage!
Originally posted by heerobya It's ok. ONE DAY, people will realize that no-holds barred FFA PvP always leads to the exact same things. 90% of the time - 1. Noobs being ganked by vets. 2. Noobs being griefed by vets. 3. Vets avoiding each other for fear of ACTUAL combat. 4. Vets helping each other do 1-3. 5. Vets forming massive parties to raid and do 1-3. and then [10% of the time - 1. Meaningful PvP for the actual "intended features" of territory control and building/taking over cities and such.
This has been true in UO, every server I played on, and I did a lot of all of it on Siege Perilous (trammel free) back in the day. It happens on PvP servers in WoW, every PvP server I have ever played on (Mug'Thol being primary) Aion, WAR PvP servers, AoC, even LOTRO monster play... (yes I have played all of these games) And of course it happens this exact way in EvE Online too (playing now, but canceled sub a few weeks ago) Show me a game with unrestricted PvP or even PvP faction servers that allow non-consensual PvP where this does not happen.
Do you have sources for your numbers or are you making things up as you go?
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I made no assumptions whatsoever. I used your own words and apparantly you didn't like that one bit.
Your values and standards are you own...do not attempt to impose your will on me or any other member of this community. By stating what your values are and then calling down this community for not adhering to those is precisely the same thing that you feel the community has done to you...impose their will upon you, a will that you do not agree with.
You can't have it both ways. Either you fit in with the community or you do not.
You sir, do not.
You have your definition of fun. We have ours. This is an FFA MMO...obviously, as others have posted, this is not your type of game. It's best that you move on then.
By the way, where in your initial post did you say that you wiped your character to "see the newbie experience?" Did you not get that the first time around? Darkfall has been the same from day one and yet after having gone through that experience at first YOU CHOSE to go through it a second time? And, in your own words, knowing that many other newbies have experienced exactly what you are now here complaining about?! Do you like causing yourself pain so that you can come here and bash an entire community with your "blue paint brush!"
Speaking of your blue paint brush comment...there are literally thousands of players who have gone through "your first three days" and they are still here playing. And those players are not on these boards (or any others) complaining about it. Are there people who think the way you do? Absolutely...and they've moved on. As I said before, Darkfall is better off for it. You don't fit with us and we don't fit with you.
As for your "working" comment...you've taken my words out of context. You could easily replace "work" with "play" at any point and still say the same thing. However, you have chosen to focus on a single word rather than look at the context of the message. Once again proving my point that you have a very narrow view of what it is that you wish to find in a community.
Your definition of "Guild Hopping" is also skewed. Two guilds is not "hopping," it is switching. If you choose to focus on one word then by your own actions and comments you have given me the right to do so as well. Again, a choice that you have made. You made no mention of searching for guilds after that second guild so once again, how can we as a community know what you have and have not attempted? You're asking us to make assumptions based off your limited comments and when we do, you suddenly "add to the story" in an effort to further your point.
I won't even dignify your "garbage" comment...again, blue paint brush.
I also find it laughable that you somehow justify your actions by claiming that you have NEVER ganked a person unless THEY started it! I don't care WHO started the confrontation, the point is that you HAVE ganked that individual and therefore you HAVE done to them what you are complaining about right now.
You mention in your first post about the SG who continued to knockback you until you attacked him. Certainly he initiated the confrontation with his actions but YOU MADE THE FIRST TRUE ATTACK under the gameplay mechanics (rules, if you will) that Darkfall provide and you did so knowingly! Your words, sir, not mine.
Spin it anyway you want, you took from others in the same fashion that they have taken from you. Perhaps I should bring out your paintbrush and dip it into that blue can you have. Stand still, please, while I show you for what you are.
As I have said before...Darkfall is better off without you. Good luck with your search for a game that fits your "standards and values." Darkfall is not it.
But before you go I ask only one thing...don't paint us all with that blue brush. I and many others like me do not deserve your preconceived notions nor your narrow insight.
Finally, somebody actually sees the point behind this thread. I've been trying to explain that for a better part of an hour now. It goes to show what the darkfall community is really like, and the fact that there are so many that support this garbage!
Its not garbage, its the only reason we play Darkfall, its the only reason why we, when we play a themepark game, it will always be on an FFA PvP server, or PvP server. Its not because we grife, hunt noobs, etc, its because those servers are the only ones where PvP happens on the attacker's terms instead of this duling crap. There isn't any danger in that type of game play.
Like I said though, you were grifed, you were just killed as a newbie and a lot because of bad luck/poor planning.
Herrobay, you are wrong about noobs constantly geting ganked/grifed by vets. It happens, but its not unrelenting like you try to make it out to be and the reasons you give, which may be true from some people, aren't for most others. The main reason noobie hunting happens in darkfall is because noobies are dumb and will harvest say 200ore without banking and because its one of the few places a vet/solo player can go to pvp without worrying about getting zerged.
ONE DAY, people will realize that no-holds barred FFA PvP always leads to the exact same things.
90% of the time -
1. Noobs being ganked by vets.
2. Noobs being griefed by vets.
3. Vets avoiding each other for fear of ACTUAL combat.
4. Vets helping each other do 1-3.
5. Vets forming massive parties to raid and do 1-3.
and then [10% of the time -
1. Meaningful PvP for the actual "intended features" of territory control and building/taking over cities and such.
This has been true in UO, every server I played on, and I did a lot of all of it on Siege Perilous (trammel free) back in the day.
It happens on PvP servers in WoW, every PvP server I have ever played on (Mug'Thol being primary)
Aion, WAR PvP servers, AoC, even LOTRO monster play... (yes I have played all of these games)
And of course it happens this exact way in EvE Online too (playing now, but canceled sub a few weeks ago)
Show me a game with unrestricted PvP or even PvP faction servers that allow non-consensual PvP where this does not happen.
Do you have sources for your numbers or are you making things up as you go?
You must be a Republican. Arguing the OBVIOUSLY made up and exaggerated numbers that were engineered to make a point and completely ignoring the actual content of the message.
Meh, your strawman isn't going to work here, thanks for playing though. I'm sure he meant those loosely, but it ends up being the same doesn't it? In any kind of FFA setting?
There is the fault of your argument. You provide absolutely NO proof that FFA PvP leads to the very thing that you complain about.
It's akin to stating the world is flat just because you say it is.
I don't care how many people may or may not take your side, if you wish to argue a point, please do so with facts and not speculation or "conjured numbers" pulled from thin air.
Originally posted by devout101 Meh, your strawman isn't going to work here, thanks for playing though. I'm sure he meant those loosely, but it ends up being the same doesn't it? In any kind of FFA setting?
Asking for sources for his numbers is a strawman? Interesting... I thought I was simply asking for proof to back his ridiculous claim.
My point is that he's making up shit numbers to make his point seem more valid. In his opinion, in his experience (which is HIS alone and is in no way fact) FFA PVP leads to vets griefing newbs "90% of the time". In my opinion, in my experience it hasn't. I see vets fighting vets all the time. Seiges, skirmishes, raiding parties. It's happening all the time.
I won't say newb griefers don't exist, but they're not 90% of the gameplay.
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Actually yes, it's a given for FFA PvP. From my experience, if you die leave it at that, do not talk trash or comment on the players actions, this invites griefing. I'm not saying you did, btw.
I learned this lesson years ago. Griefers get off on people bitching about being griefed, if you act as though you don't care they tend to leave you alone. Better yet if you act as though you're having fun, it takes the fun out of it for them.
It's simply something that comes along with FFA PVP. Griefing is normal in any PVP environment. IF you let it get to you, they have accomplished their goal. Sad reality, but it is the reality of FFA PVP. TBH I wouldn't have it any other way.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Being ganked is definitely part of the game, especially at the beginning. I get ganked and lose everything at least one a day. I've taken advice from others and just accepted that this is the way it is in the beginning in Darkfall.
Strange though, it seems a 3-month old player would know this. I know it and I'm just over a week old.
Was the community in-game somehow nicer 3 months ago or something?
Yes, it seems that way at least. Three months ago, it didn't seem that bad, and I had a few helpful people out there assisting me. Now, it seems like things have gone downhill, at least that is what I experienced after rerolling.
Then you have proven my point Malicke, that these forum warriors are defending the garbage that comes along with FFA, that I should spend 1/6 or 1/12 of my day for two months to be competetive. Like I said, I can accept that. I just needed the affirmation from the forum warriors here that this is indeed true, and I got what I wanted. Thank you.
Will be updated later.
That whats true? You didn't get grifed
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Well, based on my experience, you can't judge the community based on a few people that ganked you, because there's also many people that won't gank you and/or will do what they can to help you out.
Just yesterday I had a red give me back all my stuff after ganking me because he saw from my gear I was so new, and I fought back and didn't flip out about it. Just 30 minutes later, I got ganked by 3 reds on those lizard mounts and lost everything I was given back. So it goes in Darkfall.
My view on the whole subject is that there probably are more people that are just jerks an get their wads off from ganking newbies. However, that just goes to show that more mature and helpful people are needed to combat (literally) them.
Bottomline, though, I've gotten more help and offers for help in the first week in Darkfall then I ever did in any other MMORPG, and I've played many. You probably did too but you're letting the bad apples get to you. If you think a game community sucks unless you have a few people devoted to helping you out, then you must think every game community sucks.
But I did, and you confirmed as to why I won't touch this game with a 10-foot poll, or any FFA game to boot.
Mods, you can lock this up now.
Will be updated later.
No, getting grifed is getting camped by the same person for an hour. Thats not what happened to you. You were killed by vets at the most popular spawns in the game which get ran through reguarlly due to 1) being one of the few places to find 1vX pvp without getting zerged, 2) human lands being full of dumb harvesters that don't know how to bank, 3) human lands being the most populated area.
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Scum of the community? I don't think so. Have you played WoW, STO, or any other game recently? Its worse there then in DFO or any other PvP game I've played. What that tells me is that you don't want to be killed and only want to fight on your terms and can't handle being grifed.
hahaha, being greifed is not fun for anyone. If anyone says being ganked and greifed is fun they are full of manure. Hell even if I am the ganker or the greiver, I find no fun in that, hence why I dont do it. And no I have never played WoW nor sto, and I will never play wow or sto, not because of the community but because the game is garbage and I require more.
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Isn't that what I said Xipher? Or I need to explain myself again?
I was followed around every spawn, every noob spawn, in Copperdale for three days on my rerolled character. Monkfield was more of the same. Maybe not by the same person, but camping the newbie spawns? I mean c'mon, why do it? Those are not the most popular spawns in the game, I played long enough to know that. I've played other races, have gone to the same spawns, and haven't seen anyone for HOURS. Try again.
Will be updated later.
This is why I've moved out of Humanlands for my first couple weeks. Humanlands is hell on Agon. You can too, just get a mount and ride to Elflands or Dwarflands.
Your experience sounds odd, especially since it's grown from "I was ganked at a newb spawn" and "An idiot I attacked out of anger killed me" to "I was followed around to every single newb spawn and griefed for three days".
It truly does sound like this game isn't for you, which you've already admitted multiple times. Good luck in your next game.
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Come now.. you are just playing the wrong game and now complaining to others that you made a bad choice.
I don't play Darkfall just cause of it's FFA nature, cause I know, to me, that wouldn't be fun as there will be people who play within the games rule set.
Let me say this again to you..
THERE WILL BE PEOPLE WHO PLAY WITHIN THAT RULE SET.
They aren't assholes or jerks or whatever, they are playing the game they bought.. you sir, just picked the wrong game and need to stop crying to others about it.
I really don't care to discuss the pros and cons of what is being said in this thread. However I would like to point out the irony here...
Everyone who says anything negative about Darkfall gets flamed by the "hardcore" Darkfall fanbase. The flaming usually involves lots of "Q"s and name calling... As it takes a certain amount of maturity and respect (towards others) to follow the guideline of "If you can't say something nice don't say anything at all" one could assume that the high level of flaming done by the "hardcore" Darkfall fanbase is a reflection of their maturity and respect for others.
In short... Everyone who is making fun of and flaming him is basically supporting his point.
You weren't grifed, you had a string of bad luck. Being grifed means the same person/group killing you over an over again. You went to the worst places in the game to level because they get hit by every romaing party.
What happened to you isn't grifing, what happened to you is just getting killed a lot in a populated area.
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It's ok.
ONE DAY, people will realize that no-holds barred FFA PvP always leads to the exact same things.
90% of the time -
1. Noobs being ganked by vets.
2. Noobs being griefed by vets.
3. Vets avoiding each other for fear of ACTUAL combat.
4. Vets helping each other do 1-3.
5. Vets forming massive parties to raid and do 1-3.
and then 10% of the time -
1. Meaningful PvP for the actual "intended features" of territory control and building/taking over cities and such.
This has been true in UO, every server I played on, and I did a lot of all of it on Siege Perilous (trammel free) back in the day.
It happens on PvP servers in WoW, every PvP server I have ever played on (Mug'Thol being primary)
Aion, WAR PvP servers, AoC, even LOTRO monster play... (yes I have played all of these games)
And of course it happens this exact way in EvE Online too (playing now, but canceled sub a few weeks ago)
Show me a game with unrestricted PvP or even PvP faction servers that allow non-consensual PvP where this does not happen.
Finally, somebody actually sees the point behind this thread.
I've been trying to explain that for a better part of an hour now. It goes to show what the darkfall community is really like, and the fact that there are so many that support this garbage!
Will be updated later.
Do you have sources for your numbers or are you making things up as you go?
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Uh huh, which leads to being my fault again. Not the game of course.
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Meh, your strawman isn't going to work here, thanks for playing though.
I'm sure he meant those loosely, but it ends up being the same doesn't it? In any kind of FFA setting?
Will be updated later.
I made no assumptions whatsoever. I used your own words and apparantly you didn't like that one bit.
Your values and standards are you own...do not attempt to impose your will on me or any other member of this community. By stating what your values are and then calling down this community for not adhering to those is precisely the same thing that you feel the community has done to you...impose their will upon you, a will that you do not agree with.
You can't have it both ways. Either you fit in with the community or you do not.
You sir, do not.
You have your definition of fun. We have ours. This is an FFA MMO...obviously, as others have posted, this is not your type of game. It's best that you move on then.
By the way, where in your initial post did you say that you wiped your character to "see the newbie experience?" Did you not get that the first time around? Darkfall has been the same from day one and yet after having gone through that experience at first YOU CHOSE to go through it a second time? And, in your own words, knowing that many other newbies have experienced exactly what you are now here complaining about?! Do you like causing yourself pain so that you can come here and bash an entire community with your "blue paint brush!"
Speaking of your blue paint brush comment...there are literally thousands of players who have gone through "your first three days" and they are still here playing. And those players are not on these boards (or any others) complaining about it. Are there people who think the way you do? Absolutely...and they've moved on. As I said before, Darkfall is better off for it. You don't fit with us and we don't fit with you.
As for your "working" comment...you've taken my words out of context. You could easily replace "work" with "play" at any point and still say the same thing. However, you have chosen to focus on a single word rather than look at the context of the message. Once again proving my point that you have a very narrow view of what it is that you wish to find in a community.
Your definition of "Guild Hopping" is also skewed. Two guilds is not "hopping," it is switching. If you choose to focus on one word then by your own actions and comments you have given me the right to do so as well. Again, a choice that you have made. You made no mention of searching for guilds after that second guild so once again, how can we as a community know what you have and have not attempted? You're asking us to make assumptions based off your limited comments and when we do, you suddenly "add to the story" in an effort to further your point.
I won't even dignify your "garbage" comment...again, blue paint brush.
I also find it laughable that you somehow justify your actions by claiming that you have NEVER ganked a person unless THEY started it! I don't care WHO started the confrontation, the point is that you HAVE ganked that individual and therefore you HAVE done to them what you are complaining about right now.
You mention in your first post about the SG who continued to knockback you until you attacked him. Certainly he initiated the confrontation with his actions but YOU MADE THE FIRST TRUE ATTACK under the gameplay mechanics (rules, if you will) that Darkfall provide and you did so knowingly! Your words, sir, not mine.
Spin it anyway you want, you took from others in the same fashion that they have taken from you. Perhaps I should bring out your paintbrush and dip it into that blue can you have. Stand still, please, while I show you for what you are.
As I have said before...Darkfall is better off without you. Good luck with your search for a game that fits your "standards and values." Darkfall is not it.
But before you go I ask only one thing...don't paint us all with that blue brush. I and many others like me do not deserve your preconceived notions nor your narrow insight.
Its not garbage, its the only reason we play Darkfall, its the only reason why we, when we play a themepark game, it will always be on an FFA PvP server, or PvP server. Its not because we grife, hunt noobs, etc, its because those servers are the only ones where PvP happens on the attacker's terms instead of this duling crap. There isn't any danger in that type of game play.
Like I said though, you were grifed, you were just killed as a newbie and a lot because of bad luck/poor planning.
Herrobay, you are wrong about noobs constantly geting ganked/grifed by vets. It happens, but its not unrelenting like you try to make it out to be and the reasons you give, which may be true from some people, aren't for most others. The main reason noobie hunting happens in darkfall is because noobies are dumb and will harvest say 200ore without banking and because its one of the few places a vet/solo player can go to pvp without worrying about getting zerged.
Games:
Currently playing:Nothing
Will play: Darkfall: Unholy Wars
Past games:
Guild Wars 2 - Xpiher Duminous
Xpiher's GW2
GW 1 - Xpiher Duminous
Darkfall - Xpiher Duminous (NA) retired
AoC - Xpiher (Tyranny) retired
Warhammer - Xpiher
Do you have sources for your numbers or are you making things up as you go?
You must be a Republican. Arguing the OBVIOUSLY made up and exaggerated numbers that were engineered to make a point and completely ignoring the actual content of the message.
There is the fault of your argument. You provide absolutely NO proof that FFA PvP leads to the very thing that you complain about.
It's akin to stating the world is flat just because you say it is.
I don't care how many people may or may not take your side, if you wish to argue a point, please do so with facts and not speculation or "conjured numbers" pulled from thin air.
Asking for sources for his numbers is a strawman? Interesting... I thought I was simply asking for proof to back his ridiculous claim.
My point is that he's making up shit numbers to make his point seem more valid. In his opinion, in his experience (which is HIS alone and is in no way fact) FFA PVP leads to vets griefing newbs "90% of the time". In my opinion, in my experience it hasn't. I see vets fighting vets all the time. Seiges, skirmishes, raiding parties. It's happening all the time.
I won't say newb griefers don't exist, but they're not 90% of the gameplay.
Current: None
Played: WoW, CoX, SWG, LotRO, EVE, AoC, VG, CO, Ryzom, DF, WAR
Tried: Lineage2, Dofus, EQ2, CoS, FE, UO, Wurm, Wakfu
Future: The Repopulation, ArcheAge, Black Desert, EQN
You mean because it's one of the few places they can go where they are guaranteed to win?