This is a funny thread, I can't believe why you guys keep feeding Devout. He's obviously trolling. Do you honestly think for a second that he really deleted his 3 month old character to start a new one to see what the grief is like? Like he couldn't have taken a mount to copperdale on his own and seen for himself? Please...
I started playing right before the trial and I spent time in dwarflands and humandlands, and now elflands. I might run into a red once or twice an hour. And yes, if you stay around a spawn long enough, pkers will roam through. Happens everywhere. Learn to bank every 15-20 minutes. You'll be fine.
But we both know you just started playing.
And you know what's funny? Pre expansion WoW pvp servers were way worse than Darkfall. Just thinking of leveling my first character in STV makes me cringe. People owuld have their graves camped for hours, high levels would camp the spawns, it was way worse than DF.
Fellow DFers, it saddens me that you continue to feed him. He's brand new to the game. Don't fall for his BS. I've been playing for 3 weeks and I can tell he's full of crap. I can say that I've never been griefed in this game. Pkers don't usually sit in 1 area for too long because eventually another roaming group will come thru and square off.
Why don't you play for more than 3 hours before writing a whine thread? Good troll though, 7/10
I've yet to see an ANAL spam in the chat windows so that's good news here. Community is way better than all the other MMOs out there at the moment. EvE is good because the people that play that sorry game have no personality.
PvPers are competitive by nature. We like to fight, we like to yell, we put our energy in making our characters good all for a 1 minute fight. This isn't Lord of the Rings where everyone is sitting in a house playing fiddles and talking about LORE.
This is a PvP game. We all strive to be the best. We cheer, we cry, we bitch, we whine, but that's what people that actually care about there characters do and you've proved it with this thread. You wouldn't be getting so mad if you didn't care about your character so much. You'd simply uninstall the game that you've only played for 2 days and move on.
But DF has got you and you'll be logging back in really soon, we both know it. You really gonna let that EB guy get to you? Really? Are you that pathetic that you're going to let pixels make you cry? Man up.
You are right, I need to be looking for another game. I'm not really sure now why I keep going back and forth with him and the rest that argue that DF does no wrong. Please just lock it up mods.
No no...you opened this up with your initial post. It was you that opened up Pandora's box and now you must deal with the consequences. Just because you don't like how this is going doesn't give you the right to silence others.
Once again, you are trying to force your "values and standards" upon us and then wish to run and hide when you can not do so.
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1. No, you did not say in your original post, that there were helpful people in this you community. In your own words, you stated that Darkfall has a "Terrible in-game community." You did NOT say that there were still good people within that community. You did NOT say that you had come across some or all of these good people. YOU painted every last one of us with your very first comment...that being your title.
One day the "hardcore" FFA PvP proponents will realize that THEY are the ones that are keeping their games in the realm of indy or straight up joke.... not the newbs who are INTERESTED in the concept before they are scared away by the vets.
You might have a point if it weren't for the fact everyone playing a FFA PVP game, started out as a "newb". Yet carried on to become vets themselves. They didn't get disheartened by the fact that people will kill you, and for no reason or gain what-so-ever. You want to know why? They learned that soloing is the wrong approach, and learned the value of making friends.
This is why community has vanished from the modern MMO. Be it FFA PVP or hardcore PVE (EQ1) older games made you rely on the players around you for survival. Creating tighter communities, and smarter players.
In eq1 a good friend could mean the difference between XP and a corpse run. In UO or a game like DF a good friend can mean the difference between having equipment and not having it. If you're alone you're prey, learn from this and you can find some very interesting game-play as well as politics in games like DF or EVE.
It basically boils down to the age old saying of, "the strong survive, and the weak..well... they rage quit". I don't even mean that to say FFA players are a breed above average gamers (or anything like that). I say that to mean there is strength in numbers, take advantage of it.
Since you used UO as an example, and out of curiousity, how long did it take a newb to "carry on to become a vet", as compared to darkfall?
Oh and if it wasn't for pkers, this game would suck. We'd all be farming zombies over and over again until our heads explode. The pk factor is what brings the excitement. There's nothing more thrilling than crouching behind a tree hoping the red didn't see you from far away...
One day the "hardcore" FFA PvP proponents will realize that THEY are the ones that are keeping their games in the realm of indy or straight up joke.... not the newbs who are INTERESTED in the concept before they are scared away by the vets.
You might have a point if it weren't for the fact everyone playing a FFA PVP game, started out as a "newb". Yet carried on to become vets themselves. They didn't get disheartened by the fact that people will kill you, and for no reason or gain what-so-ever. You want to know why? They learned that soloing is the wrong approach, and learned the value of making friends.
This is why community has vanished from the modern MMO. Be it FFA PVP or hardcore PVE (EQ1) older games made you rely on the players around you for survival. Creating tighter communities, and smarter players.
In eq1 a good friend could mean the difference between XP and a corpse run. In UO or a game like DF a good friend can mean the difference between having equipment and not having it. If you're alone you're prey, learn from this and you can find some very interesting game-play as well as politics in games like DF or EVE.
It basically boils down to the age old saying of, "the strong survive, and the weak..well... they rage quit". I don't even mean that to say FFA players are a breed above average gamers (or anything like that). I say that to mean there is strength in numbers, take advantage of it.
And as long as you maintain a "blame the new players for not knowing better" mentality, and keep defending pointless ganking of brand-new players as being "okay", the situation will remain exactly as heerobya described it.
Not sure what it's like now, but when I was playing, the starting areas were pretty much either empty or had maybe 3-4 other new players who were also new. Not exactly the makings of a "powerful alliance" when a group of much more powerful gankers decides to roll through.
Like I said... The folks in Lineage 2 eventually made that distinction and it was for the betterment of everyone... More players sticking around, means more people to PvP with later on in higher levels - when it *counts*.
Maybe DF players will make that same realization someday. Or, maybe, like the people in Shadowbane, they'll continue the posturing and responses of "Hardcore PvP!! Carebear!! Rage quit!!" and never evolve beyond that.
I enjoy Darkfall as a game... but at least a portion of its community represented here definitely needs to evolve their thinking a bit.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
1. No, you did not say in your original post, that there were helpful people in this you community. In your own words, you stated that Darkfall has a "Terrible in-game community." You did NOT say that there were still good people within that community. You did NOT say that you had come across some or all of these good people. YOU painted every last one of us with your very first comment...that being your title.
Actually, yes he did. You need to read more thoroughly... The following is the first paragraph of the OP... key point highlighted in blue:
"So I decided to do a wipe on my old 3 month character, start fresh with a human in Monkfield. Everybody claims how great this in-game community is versus the forums. Well folks, I'm here to tell you that it isn't. Now I realize that there are helpful people in this game, that's absolutely great. I've ran into maybe 3 people that were helpful or nice, the rest? Scum, people who have been playing for at least 2+ months or more preying on other newbies in goblin, warrior skeleton, and troll spawns. Just the other day, I had three mounted reds, in plate, one had an acid r30 blade, gang up on me in a kobold spawn. I fought as hard as I could, while evading them. Of course I die, not quickly, but I die eventually after bringing all of their mounts and one other guy to half health."
I stand corrected, fair enough. I still stand by my comment about his choice of Title, though.
Oh and if it wasn't for pkers, this game would suck. We'd all be farming zombies over and over again until our heads explode. The pk factor is what brings the excitement. There's nothing more thrilling than crouching behind a tree hoping the red didn't see you from far away...
We're not talking PK'ing overall.
We're talking the ritual harassment of low level/new players who cannot possibly defend themselves by a select group of people only looking for easy kills.
Please try to keep the discussion in context.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Did you forget to read this part instead of the title? The basis of your argument was what you didn't read, so your whole argument is null. Again, you have proven the DF mentality, "if you don't like it, then there's the door." Believe me, I've already taken up your offer, but my point has been made. You say I'm playing with fire and matches eh? Keep going, you just don't seem to realize that every time you assume that I push this or that on someone who plays DF (which I don't, I left those guilds because I didn't agree, if I had "pushed" anything, then I would have stayed until promotion and use my power otherwise, which I did not.), it goes to prove that you are making assumptions about me, and sollidifies my whole point as you keep accusing me and calling me a bigot.
Clan NEW? The reason why I didn't join is precisely described above. My conclusion is that either DF vets/older players start helping out the newbies, or it will only get worse.
Ok well I am a new player and I am constantly farming and I have never experienced this, so I have no idea what you guys are referring to and I am in humanlands all the time. Please explain what I seem to be missing here.
Interesting because everyday I see multiple people typing into race alliance "New players feel free to pm me for starter gear and any questions you may have."
God this thread is just getting retarded, please lock it I am tired of the lies.
Forsaken, please just stop feeding. He's been playing for 4+ months now according to the other hate thread, even though he said 3 here. It's so obvious he just started today, got killed, lost 300 gold and is very mad.
And as long as you maintain a "blame the new players for not knowing better" mentality, and keep defending pointless ganking of brand-new players as being "okay", the situation will remain exactly as heerobya described it.
Not sure what it's like now, but when I was playing, the starting areas were pretty much either empty or had maybe 3-4 other new players who were also new. Not exactly the makings of a "powerful alliance" when a group of much more powerful gankers decides to roll through.
Like I said... The folks in Lineage 2 eventually made that distinction and it was for the betterment of everyone... More players sticking around, means more people to PvP with later on in higher levels - when it *counts*.
Maybe DF players will make that same realization someday. Or, maybe, like the people in Shadowbane, they'll continue the posturing and responses of "Hardcore PvP!! Carebear!! Rage quit!!" and never evolve beyond that.
I enjoy Darkfall as a game... but at least a portion of its community represented here definitely needs to evolve their thinking a bit.
I don't play DF to be clear, I did do the $1 trial last week.
I was more less referring to any FFA game, not just Darkfall.
For the rest, of course newb ganking is lame, I haven't seen someone say it wasn't, nor support it. Though they do acknowledge it comes with FFA pvp, the only alternative to this would be either: A - giving people immunity, or B - using instancing and zoning. That sort of defeats the purpose of a open world ffa PVP game though. It is what it is, FFA PVP. Free for all, says it all.
In most FFA games there are anti gankers as well as gankers, in the end that should even things out enough. They call FFA pvp a niche for a reason, this is it.
We get it you and the OP do not like the idea of ganking newbs, I don't either. However, it's basically unavoidable in a game that allows it. If you don't like the rule-set all you can do is avoid it, don't blame the community for it happening, or expect it to change it will always be this way in FFA PVP. To me that's fine there are plenty of alternatives out there. This is no different than accepting you can only PVP during monster play in lotro, it is what it is (a PVE game).
My only issue with what the op stated was judging the whole community, based on the few who thrive off griefing.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
We get it you and the OP do not like the idea of ganking newbs, I don't either. However, it's basically unavoidable in a game that allows it. If you don't like the rule-set all you can do is avoid it, don't blame the community for it happening, or expect it to change it will always be this way in FFA PVP. To me that's fine there are plenty of alternatives out there. This is no different than accepting you can only PVP during monster play in lotro, it is what it is (a PVE game).
If more members would use this type of mindset when posting on mmorp.com, imagine the calibre of discussion we could have (and avoid). So much energy wasted around here with virtually nothing gained.
I always help people out and I guess I'd be considered not a veteran but certainly not a newbie. I also see lots of people willing to help others. So, I think some people are just getting bad luck.
I always help people out and I guess I'd be considered not a veteran but certainly not a newbie. I also see lots of people willing to help others. So, I think some people are just getting bad luck.
This is the second best mmo community I've ever been a part of, and I have several RL friends that don't disagree. Perhaps it is bad luck. I still think Race Alliance chat is causing some new players to prejudge the community, and it would seem that a small number of them are coming here to "express" all of their horror.
This is the second best mmo community I've ever been a part of, and I have several RL friends that don't disagree. Perhaps it is bad luck. I still think Race Alliance chat is causing some new players to prejudge the community, and it would seem that a small number of them are coming here to "express" all of their horror.
Oh, so now I must reroll a different race. Wow, you guys are unbelievable. Whar doesn't seem to GRASP that there is a DIFFERENCE between GANKING and GRIEFING. I've put up with this kind of behavior before in games, but it doesn't last long. Every day that I've logged in, I've put up with this garbage. I should not have to reroll.
Xipher: Complains about the PVE, and admits to macroing because he will refuse to participate in PVE. Whar: Claims that I'm a carebear because I can't take the griefing. Daarco: Basically, I should continue to play regardless of being griefed every day. Not happening. I sure would not if my gear was given back to me, the community would still be bad in my eyes. I don't succumb to bribes. Malickie: Ok, maybe a few bad apples, but every time I log in? really? That's a lot of bad apples. DarthRaiden: I'm not traveling HALFWAY around the world.
Does that clear everything up?
The only thing thats clear is that you don't belong in a FFA PvP game. If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen. Don't bitch at the oven for being hot.
If someone is griefing you, just go to another spawn. If tons of people are griefing in the area, go to another newbie starting zone or join a clan. If thats asking for more than you can handle, then don't play the game. But don't come bitching about the "community being terrible" for killing you in a FFA PvP game.
Alright guys, I've come to a decision here. I'm gonna try the game again, but from a different perspective this time.
Let's turn this thread around into something constructive (instead of the rage post I created about the community). After taking a break and cooling off for a bit, I've come back with a bit of wisdom.
1) The game is very fun, even when playing solo. Yes, the danger factor makes it better, but as one poster has stated, for newbies safety is always in NUMBERS.
2) I'm going to give the community another chance, as in I will finish my sub out, which should be ~20 days of game time. Maybe I was wrong about the community, time will tell.
3) For those of you that that were offended by my talk or felt like I was personally attacking them, you have my apology. I am not here to force anything upon anybody, I'm here to have fun and make the game better community wise.
4) I will start a *new* thread about my experiences in Agon, and will keep a detailed day-by-day report letting you guys know what I am doing. Suggestions are always welcomed.
Yes, I was upset from the griefing, so that fueled my attempts to continue this thread to oblivion. It has led nowhere and has accomplished nothing. I have wasted effort that could have gone into playing and making in-game buddies.
I understand that most of you are getting tired of listening to all the hate that is raging against Darkfall, so I can see why some of that bled into this thread. My responses did not help, it only threw gas on the flame.
For those who wondered why I created a new character, I wanted the newbie experience again and a different race. I like population and how the trade channel seems to be way more active compared to mahirim trade channel, and the fact that there are so many points of interest around human cities.
Again, I apologize to everyone that I painted in my anger brush, it was rash and ill-thinking on my part.
Alright guys, I've come to a decision here. I'm gonna try the game again, but from a different perspective this time. Let's turn this thread around into something constructive (instead of the rage post I created about the community). After taking a break and cooling off for a bit, I've come back with a bit of wisdom. 1) The game is very fun, even when playing solo. Yes, the danger factor makes it better, but as one poster has stated, for newbies safety is always in NUMBERS. 2) I'm going to give the community another chance, as in I will finish my sub out, which should be ~20 days of game time. Maybe I was wrong about the community, time will tell. 3) For those of you that that were offended by my talk or felt like I was personally attacking them, you have my apology. I am not here to force anything upon anybody, I'm here to have fun and make the game better community wise. 4) I will start a *new* thread about my experiences in Agon, and will keep a detailed day-by-day report letting you guys know what I am doing. Suggestions are always welcomed. Yes, I was upset from the griefing, so that fueled my attempts to continue this thread to oblivion. It has led nowhere and has accomplished nothing. I have wasted effort that could have gone into playing and making in-game buddies. I understand that most of you are getting tired of listening to all the hate that is raging against Darkfall, so I can see why some of that bled into this thread. My responses did not help, it only threw gas on the flame. For those who wondered why I created a new character, I wanted the newbie experience again and a different race. I like population and how the trade channel seems to be way more active compared to mahirim trade channel, and the fact that there are so many points of interest around human cities. Again, I apologize to everyone that I painted in my anger brush, it was rash and ill-thinking on my part.
Alright. You can stay human though, you dont need to reroll again, you should just move to elf lands or dwarf lands to get away from the newbie killing.
The community really -is- the worst I have seen in an MMO
I once heard someone say that darkfall is like a prison because its pretty much filled with the worst of the MMO community, and everyone playing it thinks they are tough guys. Of course we know there aren't really any tough guys but a lot of people love to act like tough guys which is probably why you say its the worst community. Darkfall is like solitary confinement for me, I sit alone in a dark room and just punch the wall until my huge PvE grind is done with.
Dont get mad get even. Thats what i plan on doing maybe next year. Im three months in and I can still deal 100 points more damage to these guys and still lose the fight. I dont think all the DF community are bad its just the bad ones that are in your face.
The alignment system is the worst I have ever seen. The grave robbing, mount stealing, and rogue games just encourage you to kill the bastard if you can and go red to get some justice. Then you got the blue guys who will follow you out of town and kill you, I mean I have had these guys stalk me in town just waiting for me to leave, then you see them at the bank a half an hour later. Its totally Screwed some body is being an ass to you, you kill them you go red they stay blue WTF. Ya my opinion the way its set up it really lets the griefers shine.
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This is a funny thread, I can't believe why you guys keep feeding Devout. He's obviously trolling. Do you honestly think for a second that he really deleted his 3 month old character to start a new one to see what the grief is like? Like he couldn't have taken a mount to copperdale on his own and seen for himself? Please...
I started playing right before the trial and I spent time in dwarflands and humandlands, and now elflands. I might run into a red once or twice an hour. And yes, if you stay around a spawn long enough, pkers will roam through. Happens everywhere. Learn to bank every 15-20 minutes. You'll be fine.
But we both know you just started playing.
And you know what's funny? Pre expansion WoW pvp servers were way worse than Darkfall. Just thinking of leveling my first character in STV makes me cringe. People owuld have their graves camped for hours, high levels would camp the spawns, it was way worse than DF.
Fellow DFers, it saddens me that you continue to feed him. He's brand new to the game. Don't fall for his BS. I've been playing for 3 weeks and I can tell he's full of crap. I can say that I've never been griefed in this game. Pkers don't usually sit in 1 area for too long because eventually another roaming group will come thru and square off.
Why don't you play for more than 3 hours before writing a whine thread? Good troll though, 7/10
I've yet to see an ANAL spam in the chat windows so that's good news here. Community is way better than all the other MMOs out there at the moment. EvE is good because the people that play that sorry game have no personality.
PvPers are competitive by nature. We like to fight, we like to yell, we put our energy in making our characters good all for a 1 minute fight. This isn't Lord of the Rings where everyone is sitting in a house playing fiddles and talking about LORE.
This is a PvP game. We all strive to be the best. We cheer, we cry, we bitch, we whine, but that's what people that actually care about there characters do and you've proved it with this thread. You wouldn't be getting so mad if you didn't care about your character so much. You'd simply uninstall the game that you've only played for 2 days and move on.
But DF has got you and you'll be logging back in really soon, we both know it. You really gonna let that EB guy get to you? Really? Are you that pathetic that you're going to let pixels make you cry? Man up.
No no...you opened this up with your initial post. It was you that opened up Pandora's box and now you must deal with the consequences. Just because you don't like how this is going doesn't give you the right to silence others.
Once again, you are trying to force your "values and standards" upon us and then wish to run and hide when you can not do so.
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1. No, you did not say in your original post, that there were helpful people in this you community. In your own words, you stated that Darkfall has a "Terrible in-game community." You did NOT say that there were still good people within that community. You did NOT say that you had come across some or all of these good people. YOU painted every last one of us with your very first comment...that being your title.
Are you suggesting coconuts migrate!?
You might have a point if it weren't for the fact everyone playing a FFA PVP game, started out as a "newb". Yet carried on to become vets themselves. They didn't get disheartened by the fact that people will kill you, and for no reason or gain what-so-ever. You want to know why? They learned that soloing is the wrong approach, and learned the value of making friends.
This is why community has vanished from the modern MMO. Be it FFA PVP or hardcore PVE (EQ1) older games made you rely on the players around you for survival. Creating tighter communities, and smarter players.
In eq1 a good friend could mean the difference between XP and a corpse run. In UO or a game like DF a good friend can mean the difference between having equipment and not having it. If you're alone you're prey, learn from this and you can find some very interesting game-play as well as politics in games like DF or EVE.
It basically boils down to the age old saying of, "the strong survive, and the weak..well... they rage quit". I don't even mean that to say FFA players are a breed above average gamers (or anything like that). I say that to mean there is strength in numbers, take advantage of it.
Since you used UO as an example, and out of curiousity, how long did it take a newb to "carry on to become a vet", as compared to darkfall?
Oh and if it wasn't for pkers, this game would suck. We'd all be farming zombies over and over again until our heads explode. The pk factor is what brings the excitement. There's nothing more thrilling than crouching behind a tree hoping the red didn't see you from far away...
You might have a point if it weren't for the fact everyone playing a FFA PVP game, started out as a "newb". Yet carried on to become vets themselves. They didn't get disheartened by the fact that people will kill you, and for no reason or gain what-so-ever. You want to know why? They learned that soloing is the wrong approach, and learned the value of making friends.
This is why community has vanished from the modern MMO. Be it FFA PVP or hardcore PVE (EQ1) older games made you rely on the players around you for survival. Creating tighter communities, and smarter players.
In eq1 a good friend could mean the difference between XP and a corpse run. In UO or a game like DF a good friend can mean the difference between having equipment and not having it. If you're alone you're prey, learn from this and you can find some very interesting game-play as well as politics in games like DF or EVE.
It basically boils down to the age old saying of, "the strong survive, and the weak..well... they rage quit". I don't even mean that to say FFA players are a breed above average gamers (or anything like that). I say that to mean there is strength in numbers, take advantage of it.
And as long as you maintain a "blame the new players for not knowing better" mentality, and keep defending pointless ganking of brand-new players as being "okay", the situation will remain exactly as heerobya described it.
Not sure what it's like now, but when I was playing, the starting areas were pretty much either empty or had maybe 3-4 other new players who were also new. Not exactly the makings of a "powerful alliance" when a group of much more powerful gankers decides to roll through.
Like I said... The folks in Lineage 2 eventually made that distinction and it was for the betterment of everyone... More players sticking around, means more people to PvP with later on in higher levels - when it *counts*.
Maybe DF players will make that same realization someday. Or, maybe, like the people in Shadowbane, they'll continue the posturing and responses of "Hardcore PvP!! Carebear!! Rage quit!!" and never evolve beyond that.
I enjoy Darkfall as a game... but at least a portion of its community represented here definitely needs to evolve their thinking a bit.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
1. No, you did not say in your original post, that there were helpful people in this you community. In your own words, you stated that Darkfall has a "Terrible in-game community." You did NOT say that there were still good people within that community. You did NOT say that you had come across some or all of these good people. YOU painted every last one of us with your very first comment...that being your title.
Actually, yes he did. You need to read more thoroughly... The following is the first paragraph of the OP... key point highlighted in blue:
"So I decided to do a wipe on my old 3 month character, start fresh with a human in Monkfield. Everybody claims how great this in-game community is versus the forums. Well folks, I'm here to tell you that it isn't. Now I realize that there are helpful people in this game, that's absolutely great. I've ran into maybe 3 people that were helpful or nice, the rest? Scum, people who have been playing for at least 2+ months or more preying on other newbies in goblin, warrior skeleton, and troll spawns. Just the other day, I had three mounted reds, in plate, one had an acid r30 blade, gang up on me in a kobold spawn. I fought as hard as I could, while evading them. Of course I die, not quickly, but I die eventually after bringing all of their mounts and one other guy to half health."
I stand corrected, fair enough. I still stand by my comment about his choice of Title, though.
We're not talking PK'ing overall.
We're talking the ritual harassment of low level/new players who cannot possibly defend themselves by a select group of people only looking for easy kills.
Please try to keep the discussion in context.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Did you forget to read this part instead of the title? The basis of your argument was what you didn't read, so your whole argument is null. Again, you have proven the DF mentality, "if you don't like it, then there's the door." Believe me, I've already taken up your offer, but my point has been made. You say I'm playing with fire and matches eh? Keep going, you just don't seem to realize that every time you assume that I push this or that on someone who plays DF (which I don't, I left those guilds because I didn't agree, if I had "pushed" anything, then I would have stayed until promotion and use my power otherwise, which I did not.), it goes to prove that you are making assumptions about me, and sollidifies my whole point as you keep accusing me and calling me a bigot.
Clan NEW? The reason why I didn't join is precisely described above.
My conclusion is that either DF vets/older players start helping out the newbies, or it will only get worse.
Will be updated later.
Ok well I am a new player and I am constantly farming and I have never experienced this, so I have no idea what you guys are referring to and I am in humanlands all the time. Please explain what I seem to be missing here.
Interesting because everyday I see multiple people typing into race alliance "New players feel free to pm me for starter gear and any questions you may have."
God this thread is just getting retarded, please lock it I am tired of the lies.
Forsaken, please just stop feeding. He's been playing for 4+ months now according to the other hate thread, even though he said 3 here. It's so obvious he just started today, got killed, lost 300 gold and is very mad.
And as long as you maintain a "blame the new players for not knowing better" mentality, and keep defending pointless ganking of brand-new players as being "okay", the situation will remain exactly as heerobya described it.
Not sure what it's like now, but when I was playing, the starting areas were pretty much either empty or had maybe 3-4 other new players who were also new. Not exactly the makings of a "powerful alliance" when a group of much more powerful gankers decides to roll through.
Like I said... The folks in Lineage 2 eventually made that distinction and it was for the betterment of everyone... More players sticking around, means more people to PvP with later on in higher levels - when it *counts*.
Maybe DF players will make that same realization someday. Or, maybe, like the people in Shadowbane, they'll continue the posturing and responses of "Hardcore PvP!! Carebear!! Rage quit!!" and never evolve beyond that.
I enjoy Darkfall as a game... but at least a portion of its community represented here definitely needs to evolve their thinking a bit.
I don't play DF to be clear, I did do the $1 trial last week.
I was more less referring to any FFA game, not just Darkfall.
For the rest, of course newb ganking is lame, I haven't seen someone say it wasn't, nor support it. Though they do acknowledge it comes with FFA pvp, the only alternative to this would be either: A - giving people immunity, or B - using instancing and zoning. That sort of defeats the purpose of a open world ffa PVP game though. It is what it is, FFA PVP. Free for all, says it all.
In most FFA games there are anti gankers as well as gankers, in the end that should even things out enough. They call FFA pvp a niche for a reason, this is it.
We get it you and the OP do not like the idea of ganking newbs, I don't either. However, it's basically unavoidable in a game that allows it. If you don't like the rule-set all you can do is avoid it, don't blame the community for it happening, or expect it to change it will always be this way in FFA PVP. To me that's fine there are plenty of alternatives out there. This is no different than accepting you can only PVP during monster play in lotro, it is what it is (a PVE game).
My only issue with what the op stated was judging the whole community, based on the few who thrive off griefing.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
If more members would use this type of mindset when posting on mmorp.com, imagine the calibre of discussion we could have (and avoid). So much energy wasted around here with virtually nothing gained.
I always help people out and I guess I'd be considered not a veteran but certainly not a newbie. I also see lots of people willing to help others. So, I think some people are just getting bad luck.
This is the second best mmo community I've ever been a part of, and I have several RL friends that don't disagree. Perhaps it is bad luck. I still think Race Alliance chat is causing some new players to prejudge the community, and it would seem that a small number of them are coming here to "express" all of their horror.
Agreed.
The only thing thats clear is that you don't belong in a FFA PvP game. If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen. Don't bitch at the oven for being hot.
If someone is griefing you, just go to another spawn. If tons of people are griefing in the area, go to another newbie starting zone or join a clan. If thats asking for more than you can handle, then don't play the game. But don't come bitching about the "community being terrible" for killing you in a FFA PvP game.
Alright guys, I've come to a decision here. I'm gonna try the game again, but from a different perspective this time.
Let's turn this thread around into something constructive (instead of the rage post I created about the community). After taking a break and cooling off for a bit, I've come back with a bit of wisdom.
1) The game is very fun, even when playing solo. Yes, the danger factor makes it better, but as one poster has stated, for newbies safety is always in NUMBERS.
2) I'm going to give the community another chance, as in I will finish my sub out, which should be ~20 days of game time. Maybe I was wrong about the community, time will tell.
3) For those of you that that were offended by my talk or felt like I was personally attacking them, you have my apology. I am not here to force anything upon anybody, I'm here to have fun and make the game better community wise.
4) I will start a *new* thread about my experiences in Agon, and will keep a detailed day-by-day report letting you guys know what I am doing. Suggestions are always welcomed.
Yes, I was upset from the griefing, so that fueled my attempts to continue this thread to oblivion. It has led nowhere and has accomplished nothing. I have wasted effort that could have gone into playing and making in-game buddies.
I understand that most of you are getting tired of listening to all the hate that is raging against Darkfall, so I can see why some of that bled into this thread. My responses did not help, it only threw gas on the flame.
For those who wondered why I created a new character, I wanted the newbie experience again and a different race. I like population and how the trade channel seems to be way more active compared to mahirim trade channel, and the fact that there are so many points of interest around human cities.
Again, I apologize to everyone that I painted in my anger brush, it was rash and ill-thinking on my part.
Will be updated later.
Alright. You can stay human though, you dont need to reroll again, you should just move to elf lands or dwarf lands to get away from the newbie killing.
Games:
Currently playing:Nothing
Will play: Darkfall: Unholy Wars
Past games:
Guild Wars 2 - Xpiher Duminous
Xpiher's GW2
GW 1 - Xpiher Duminous
Darkfall - Xpiher Duminous (NA) retired
AoC - Xpiher (Tyranny) retired
Warhammer - Xpiher
Make sure you post that in my new thread, so I can keep it all in one place
Will be updated later.
Hope this video helps with your pvp woes.
I once heard someone say that darkfall is like a prison because its pretty much filled with the worst of the MMO community, and everyone playing it thinks they are tough guys. Of course we know there aren't really any tough guys but a lot of people love to act like tough guys which is probably why you say its the worst community. Darkfall is like solitary confinement for me, I sit alone in a dark room and just punch the wall until my huge PvE grind is done with.
Dont get mad get even. Thats what i plan on doing maybe next year. Im three months in and I can still deal 100 points more damage to these guys and still lose the fight. I dont think all the DF community are bad its just the bad ones that are in your face.
The alignment system is the worst I have ever seen. The grave robbing, mount stealing, and rogue games just encourage you to kill the bastard if you can and go red to get some justice. Then you got the blue guys who will follow you out of town and kill you, I mean I have had these guys stalk me in town just waiting for me to leave, then you see them at the bank a half an hour later. Its totally Screwed some body is being an ass to you, you kill them you go red they stay blue WTF. Ya my opinion the way its set up it really lets the griefers shine.
When I was a noob I got killed alot. I didn't care. I didn't make lengthy posts about lamenting my position.
Notice the difference?