I was actually going to revisit this game to scope out rocktropia, yet when I went to install the game from their website all it gives me is errors from their downloader/installer.
They got a walktru on the entropiaforums dot com for the side issues. But they dont have it on entropiauniverse dot com site lol. So they acually want you to check the forum and let them help you since they dont wanna waste the time to either help or change the client it seems.
I'm honestly not going to bother with it. If a company can't atleast make their installer work correctly, to me it's not even worth visiting. Why should I have to post for technical help and go through a bunch of non sense just to install a game? Figured since their game has been running so long, the least they could do is make their installer work properly since they're so eager to drag in new players.
They had an installer that worked perfect before but after they changed from their own gameengine ---> to CRyOengine 2 things went to crap. If you followed the game alot you would see that it wasent even the company that fixed the issues to make the people able to play it was acually the people on Entropiaforums.com. The people that only play the game and they dont get anything for helping the player yet they still do it.
The colors are for the kids which seem to suit you very good :-)
Good job on the colors poster. I am saying this since all the answerer of this post wants to do is just to point at something else to get eyes away from the facts. And to flame down the posters that acually talk the truth like the poster you tried to talk down and give crap about ;-)
No matter how much you try and shine a turd its still going to be shit.
Dude. Once you separate your points from the emotion and bitterness behind them you'll see that I was actually agreeing with you on a fundamental level. I was however drawing the distinction between Entropia reality and your own venom. The post above, for example, is pure venom and should be read as such.
Actually this is the main problem with Entropia. Not the transaction model. Not the unfinished nature of the game. The way it psychologically polarizes people. I encountered my fair share of it when I attempted to be part of the Entropia Universe community. The anonymity the internet provides plus the sensitivity of a human ego that has been bruised/battered due to someone else pulling the strings on their wallet is a combination that quickly leads to bitter, resentful people and/or defensive/insular behavior. Getting deep into the Entropia community alot of both exist --- this users responses are exemplary of that phenomena.
Many MMO users would say that this is nothing different than in any other MMO. On some level theyre right. I likened the Entropia community to the Darkfall community, a place where I spent 7 years getting to know folks prior to beta, during closed and open beta, etc. Folks who know the Darkfall community reputation know that the group can be very harsh. The difference between Entropia and Darkfall is that in EU the negativity is real, tangible, and can be quantified. I chose to withdraw from the Darkfall community and from the EU community for the same reasons --- the negativity was rubbing off on me and I found myself regretting getting involved on a human level with the other humans. I have since chosen to stick with the game, eschewing long term and/or deep interaction with its inhabitants, and have noticed the game is more enjoyable as a whole.
Anyhow Im going to be percieved as derailing this thread --- because its about the opening of RockTropia. What's the point of this thread though? To get people to play of course. Folks should play this game. Its an engaging title. But do so with restraint. It really is like no other mmo out there, in both the capacity to offer enjoyment and the capacity to harm. Be aware.
How many active players does EU have? I'm not interested in registerd accounts, but actual active players. It seems like it's either a sizable amount of players or a small handful of ePeen wallet wavers - something has to be making it worth it for Neverdie and people like him to invest this kind of money and effort into it.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
Theres quite a few actives, indeed the game is far from empty. Unfortunately its tough to tell exactly whats going on as folks come and go irregularly based on what they have chosen as their monthly spending cap, and what their professions are. Some jobs dont require alot of active playtime, others require a substantial amount.
At any given time though you can probably find a little over 1000 people online in the world. There's room for more, but with high system requirements and high cost per hour of play alot of old players have had to depart and alot of new players cant justify the cost.
Another 4 poster that has been told by John Capitol to "support" their game to lure more people into playing Entropia so they will get more money.. sad.
Originally posted by patrikd23
Havent you got anymore friends on the entropiaforum.com that can make a new account here and glorify the game John Capitol lol.
Wow! Seriously, I'd see a doctor about that paranoia of yours, mate.
Don't get me wrong, I've seen this occur many times. Someone has a bad experience in Entropia and start to think it's all MA's fault. Then of course since MA is trying to steal everyone's money, that must mean that anyone who is doing well or actually enjoys the game must in fact be a paid MA spy.
Paranoia. Doctor. Today. (or the first work day possible, since it's Sunday.)
Another 4 poster that has been told by John Capitol to "support" their game to lure more people into playing Entropia so they will get more money.. sad.
Originally posted by patrikd23
Havent you got anymore friends on the entropiaforum.com that can make a new account here and glorify the game John Capitol lol.
Wow! Seriously, I'd see a doctor about that paranoia of yours, mate.
Don't get me wrong, I've seen this occur many times. Someone has a bad experience in Entropia and start to think it's all MA's fault. Then of course since MA is trying to steal everyone's money, that must mean that anyone who is doing well or actually enjoys the game must in fact be a paid MA spy.
Paranoia. Doctor. Today. (or the first work day possible, since it's Sunday.)
It was written like a joke and it was quite funny, hence the lol at the end. I know what how the game is no need to feed me crap.
Everyone is intitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts.
And another post about entropia, and again some idiots start to shoot it.
I will first state my point:
As far as i am concerned it is the player that deposits huge amounts, and not MA as the company providing the free game that steals your money... If you enter a new game and spend a huge amount at once, either you don't care about the money (you have enough of it) or are just stupid. Remind me it's you when i meet you and i will tell you about my superduper project that will be so fun/cool/profitable...
I am in EU since 2003, and have spent a few hundered dollar since. Yea, a lot, but still less than when i would have played some game with a $10 monthly fee. And my inventory still has about 50% tt value of deposited money. And i feel ok. And even as i don't play that active atm due to other priorities, i don't have to pay or lose my account.
You are the master of your own desaster, or architect of the fun factor. I have met some good friends ingame, which are now even RL friends. Some even play without ever depositing a single $!
And yes, the game had some down periods, like when they were preparing the V2 (crysis version), as the 'running' world missed some updates. But the game is still evolving. Missions will be there soon (ok, the current test drive missions i will ignore before someone shoots me for that/them). And the new world(s) will have to grow as well, both in size, as well in features.
And no, i am no MA employee. I did not create this account to promote EU (even if i almost only posted for this game) and i am happy with my real life. And if you don't get a SGA after spending $300 in a week you should buy a smaller gun and find out what 'fun' vs 'playing big boy' is. Grow up!
And another post about entropia, and again some idiots start to shoot it.
I will first state my point:
As far as i am concerned it is the player that deposits huge amounts, and not MA as the company providing the free game that steals your money... If you enter a new game and spend a huge amount at once, either you don't care about the money (you have enough of it) or are just stupid. Remind me it's you when i meet you and i will tell you about my superduper project that will be so fun/cool/profitable...
I am in EU since 2003, and have spent a few hundered dollar since. Yea, a lot, but still less than when i would have played some game with a $10 monthly fee. And my inventory still has about 50% tt value of deposited money. And i feel ok. And even as i don't play that active atm due to other priorities, i don't have to pay or lose my account.
You are the master of your own desaster, or architect of the fun factor. I have met some good friends ingame, which are now even RL friends. Some even play without ever depositing a single $!
And yes, the game had some down periods, like when they were preparing the V2 (crysis version), as the 'running' world missed some updates. But the game is still evolving. Missions will be there soon (ok, the current test drive missions i will ignore before someone shoots me for that/them). And the new world(s) will have to grow as well, both in size, as well in features.
And no, i am no MA employee. I did not create this account to promote EU (even if i almost only posted for this game) and i am happy with my real life. And if you don't get a SGA after spending $300 in a week you should buy a smaller gun and find out what 'fun' vs 'playing big boy' is. Grow up!
(now come and shoot this post)
Ok I'll shoot your post.
TL;DR version - I am better than you because I have spent money and still play.
That about sums up your little lecture. The "idiots" on this board are stating their opinions. Youve just stated yours. So congrats --- you are just like the rest of us. Unlike Entropia Forum you arent gonna get a whole mess of biased viewpoints in favor of EU to bury posts, with people using their "Vet Boardwarrior Status" as a way to beat down opposing viewpoints. Youre gonna see what the public actually sees. If you cant deal with it I suggest you go back to EF.
Thats not to say MMORPG.com is perfect. It really isnt! What it is however is an forum where the playing field is equal.
Once again, the closest thing to the truth about EU is in an earlier post I wrote in this thread:
OK I am new here too.. and Yes I play Planet Calypso.
Why am I here? Not because John Capital asked me, Not because VIagrafalls did, Hi there old soc leader btw.
But because this site springs up as to having news about Rocktropia and I wanted to read it.
So I though may as well create an account to reply here. I think.... there will be more coming this way, if this thread remains active in google.
Anyways, I haven't been to Rocktropia yet.
As for Planet Calypso. Yes it costs money.. the beauty of it, is you decide how much you pay. (unlike wow)
The second beauty is that that money is not lost, it is converted to skills and gear and can even lead to profit
I have deposited over 2k usd over a period of 6 years time. And when I should chip out/sell out now I am worth 5k usd.
the problem ofcourse is.. I dont want to chip out/sell out. And that is a major flaw. But the upside is.. that I could if I wanted.
Fpc, the people behind planet calypso have done a lot to improve their game by weekly updates and new content. This is not the same game as it was when it was called project entropia.
As you can see the most used argument used from the Entropia Community is: You can have some of youre money back. Nothing about gameplay and such, and that is just couse there isn`anything of that. The game is pretty much worse then any F2P korean Grinding MMO out there.
That community over there are so trapped in EU that they think that every other MMO out there are just as EU, they dont understand that people dont want theire money back from theire MMO-games they are playing. People play them for good gameplay and exploring worlds with theire friends.
The EU-community is all about: Money,Money and more Money.
As you can see the most used argument used from the Entropia Community is: You can have some of youre money back. Nothing about gameplay and such, and that is just couse there isn`anything of that. The game is pretty much worse then any F2P korean Grinding MMO out there.
That community over there are so trapped in EU that they think that every other MMO out there are just as EU, they dont understand that people dont want theire money back from theire MMO-games they are playing. People play them for good gameplay and exploring worlds with theire friends.
The EU-community is all about: Money,Money and more Money.
Yes and if the game would end tomorrow the price you paid for a gun lets say 190.000 ped which is about 19,000 dollars would know be worth vendor value again and that is about 1700 ped which is 170 dollars.
And yes all the game is about is money. Which is exactly what I mean by glorifying something. And they even got auto shoot now so you only need to loot and go next mob. Works just like a one-armed-bandit, and youre sure getting robbed on the way.
The game looked too much like a casino before so they changed it by adding items insted of money in loot. Like it would help and make it another game, haha.
The EU-community is all about: Money,Money and more Money.
This statement sums up most of the EU community. There are some folks who are decent, but the majority of them are involved in a cash grab. Anything deviating from views on the games raw economics is percieved by the community as wrong. They are myopic in the extreme.
Yes exactly good to see that this forum still have some people who think and have played the game.
Exactly, I did play this game and the game is just what I said. You can sugar coat it all you want, does not change what the game is, the more suckers you find to play it the more money you make.
Oh dear Rikar seems like you just made a fatal fail.
Entropia Universe is the best looking MMO on the market as it is using the same engine as Crysis. However it is a money sink still and when you add real world money into a game then you get the scammers.
lol it is the farthest thing from the best looking mmo on the market regardless of what engine it is using
All this game is, is a few scammers taking advantage of a lot of suckers.
Yes exactly good to see that this forum still have some people who think and have played the game.
Exactly, I did play this game and the game is just what I said. You can sugar coat it all you want, does not change what the game is, the more suckers you find to play it the more money you make.
No, it's not "only about the money". The RCE and the possiblity to earn money gives the game a bit more excitement and is a fun element. But most of us playing the game understands that most of us players will not earn money and it will cost us money, just like all other games we pay for.
Bottom line, you can't do ANYTHING in this game without putting money in. Actually you can do one thing for free, walk around aimlessly. If MA really wanted to increase their playerbase, they would find a way to ease the load on new players. Perhaps something like actually starting them off with some stuff perhaps to help them on their "journey", instead of being greedy and just wanting people to straight up deposit in. I must admit, I tried the game and it's a bit overwhelming not having any idea where to start. Then you find out "oh, I can't do anything without depositing money into this game!"
So with the current setup, 90% of the people who would have actually stuck around and probably deposited once they got a hang of the game have now left in their first hour of playing. The other 10% will deposit in to find out what its about and half of those people will lose all their money and quit. Now you're left with the 5 or so percent, these are the people who either got lucky or are playing the system and made it big; or have lost so much money they're desperately trying to justify their losses by continuing to play and hopefully make it back some day, meanwhile continuing to feed the money machine.
When you have this random game that advertises itself as "free to play", you login to it only to find you have to literally pay to do ANYTHING (even fight mobs? I mean come on) it turns pretty much everyone in the MMO scene off. I say random because there's 100's of mmo's out there and let's face it, I've never seen publicity for EU except for the occasional "some random guy buys item/land/crap for X amount of dollars, world record!" non sense. So when there's actual huge P2P titles and some really interesting F2P that you can get away with only paying 15 bucks a month, it's rare that someone takes a second look at a low quality game with no content like EU (Sorry, your cry engine doesn't count for anything).
How far will 15 dollars take you in EU compared to other MMO's? You don't even have to answer that because we all know the answer. . .not very far at all. Not to mention the gameplay in EU is pretty much non existant. Like others have said, the game only drives toward and for one thing and one thing only, Money, money and more money. There's not a second you play this game and think about anything else but RL money, it's really nothing more than interactive online gambling that feeds on people who just love to spend their money. If there is ever a time where you feel like actually indulging yourself into some good "fun" gameplay in EU, expect to pay a couple hundred dollars to do so. You can sit here and try to sugar coat the game and justify at you want but it doesn't change the fact of what it is. Anyone who plays this game realizes it right away.
So pretty much, there's MANY (actually all) games that actual fun can be had for much. . much less. But if you're a gambler, wanna be hustler or a business minded guy with alot of money to blow and hope for return, then this "game" may be for you. Chances are you'll just be another notch in it's belt for people who've cashed in only to bite the dust, but hey, you had fun blowing that 500 dollars right? lol. . .
Maybe that it is about the money isn't that bad. I agree 15 dollars a month is a bit on the low side. But if you deposit 180 dollar once every year (which is basically the same) you will get a lot of gameplay, because that is 1800 peds. Ofcourse you can buy the biggest gun and the biggerst armour and go after the biggest mob. But the challenge in entropia is not too.. it;s how to stretch your deposit. It requires a different way of thinking. I have played a lot of other mmo's out there, free ones too, like perfect world, lotro (until my subscription ran out) but all of those lack something. It's like playing poker without money.
Not expecting a giant warhammer axe in every mob you loot is what you get in entropia, you need to cherish the things you do find, and not take them for granted. I would say an entropia player is a mature player. I am not saying wow-players or lotro players are not mature, but virtual life is easier for them. The fact that you mention that you can do nothing without a deposit but wander around confirms that view. Because the wandering around is absolute bliss. With plants giving way as you stroll through them. It is absolutely the best thing I have ever seen on a pc , next to crysis. the way the sun rises and sets, even swimming is a joy to watch and do. Jumping off a 800 m cliff into the water, skydiving, using a glitch so you can actually fly, do a teleporter race against other new players. there is a lot to do and to see. Trying to get the oil at the oilrig using advanced tactics by luring a lot of mobs in and working in groups is what I enjoyed a lot in my days as a noob. And if you say you can't get the oil as a noob, then the point stands again.. try harder.... and yes maybe it is 5% that actually stay not because they got lucky but because they actually try harder.
.... and yes maybe it is 5% that actually stay not because they got lucky but because they actually try harder.
Or maybe not! Or maybe ducks will come one day to us from Mars and show us all the error of our ways. Or maybe Cheerios will reduce my cholesterol. Or maybe a giant hamster on a very large wheel will be the power source of the future!
Maybe, maybe, maybe.
Maybe a vigorous defense by a few players is not what this game needs. Maybe the game needs some actual PR work from people who arent complete idiots, game systems inplace within the world that are no cost/no profit that actually make the game feel like virtual reality, and malls that actually have to be staffed rather than passively vended from, so that folks walk into areas of town and feel alive.
Maybe then the virtual reality platform MA and NEVERDIE want to market will actually make some sense to a player who is logging on for the first time, and they'll be able to play EU as more than just an expensive WoW with some payback options.
There are alot of maybes in this world. As you can see, most of them are total crap. So lets stay away from the realm of conjecture and stick to what we actually know.
I always found it amusing when pe community brags about how grown up and mature they are and laughting about other games and how imature and childish theirs communitys are.
I understand and for a moment it makes sence untill we discover that we are talking about same persons that pay hundreds of dollars for female underwere to pose in towns.
Also fun and qualifie for a good standup comic joke when they claim pe is so good cos they dont need to pay montly fee because those 12 bucks per month would force them to play
while in pe a hogglo 30 min run can result in 50 bucks loss but thats NOT THE SAME cos they pay no monthly fee. Jeeez.
But one of the biggest ALL TIME HIGH jokes is when they pressed up the price on uber items by selling them to eachother like in a oligopoly where about max 100 players sold items to eachoter
and everytime it raised in price ofc and today is so high and no money in game that like in any normal bubble economy no one wants to deposit and pay as some items ended up at nearly 50.000 dollars and i know one item is asked 100.000 dollars for.
And to the mystery. Those poor pe players really believe that some rich uncle bob from texas oilfields or sheik Abdullah from Dubai will pop up and buy their items. I mean, if this is not retardness beyond recognition then i dont know what is because no one could ever explain why some items are worth nearly 50k dollars and this would even a down synderome understand that there is no matematic backup for the prices vs cashflow
I dont belive in god but if you told me that god created entropiauniverse so he could gather all retards in one place so they could stay the fuk away from irl, that would make sence.
Stay away from Entropia, its a sinking ship unless you want nostalgy from 70th hippie generation then Neverdies new island will be great as some mobs are naked chicks with big boobs......but yeah right, i forgot....mature community mature people
Maybe that it is about the money isn't that bad. I agree 15 dollars a month is a bit on the low side. But if you deposit 180 dollar once every year (which is basically the same) you will get a lot of gameplay, because that is 1800 peds. Ofcourse you can buy the biggest gun and the biggerst armour and go after the biggest mob. But the challenge in entropia is not too.. it;s how to stretch your deposit. It requires a different way of thinking. I have played a lot of other mmo's out there, free ones too, like perfect world, lotro (until my subscription ran out) but all of those lack something. It's like playing poker without money.
Not expecting a giant warhammer axe in every mob you loot is what you get in entropia, you need to cherish the things you do find, and not take them for granted. I would say an entropia player is a mature player. I am not saying wow-players or lotro players are not mature, but virtual life is easier for them. The fact that you mention that you can do nothing without a deposit but wander around confirms that view. Because the wandering around is absolute bliss. With plants giving way as you stroll through them. It is absolutely the best thing I have ever seen on a pc , next to crysis. the way the sun rises and sets, even swimming is a joy to watch and do. Jumping off a 800 m cliff into the water, skydiving, using a glitch so you can actually fly, do a teleporter race against other new players. there is a lot to do and to see. Trying to get the oil at the oilrig using advanced tactics by luring a lot of mobs in and working in groups is what I enjoyed a lot in my days as a noob. And if you say you can't get the oil as a noob, then the point stands again.. try harder.... and yes maybe it is 5% that actually stay not because they got lucky but because they actually try harder.
To say I'm less mature than you for saying "all you can do without paying in EU is wander around" (that's what I got from it anyways) is a hilarious acquisation in itself, if that's what you mean, let's keep it civil shall we? I wouldn't say "more mature", perhaps a more "serious" type of game would be more fitting title being everything revolves around RMT.
I believe the biggest problem here is the EU players posting here have a misconception. The misconcept appears to be that other people can't possibly know about the game simply because they don't play it, therefore anything said is void and anything you say is correct. This could not be further from the truth, how this game is made and ran is no big secret in the MMO industry. Now we get you guys coming here basically claiming blasphemy and trying to defend against what it actually is, why would you?
This is your style of game, it is what it is and you guys are passionate about it...I get that. However, you can't change what it is and try to sugar coat it simply because you don't like the way is sounds. Sure, you can go running through plants, jumping off cliffs and any other excuse under the sun you can think of. Don't get me wrong it sounds exhilarating and all, however, when it comes down to actual progression and intended gameplay (aka: not running around with your thumb up your ass jumping off cliffs and "teleport racing"), it's either put in or get out. The matter is, you're limited to what you can do by how much real money spent in the game, there's no argument to be had there. If you feel there's argument to be had this only mean the game is then lacking serious in content and isn't worth spending a dime on regardless. Feel free to argue about it, either way you lose and this is not what it's about.
There's plenty of games where you can "wander around", actually, in all MMO's but you can actually do other stuff as well that isn't labeled with a price tag. I'll completely agree with you, it requires a different way of thinking and I pretty much covered that in what I said in the following:
Originally posted by Karmakazi
So pretty much, there's MANY (actually all) games that actual fun can be had for much. . much less. But if you're a gambler, wanna be hustler or a business minded guy with alot of money to blow and hope for return, then this "game" may be for you.
And from the looks of it:
" I have played a lot of other mmo's out there, free ones too, like perfect world, lotro (until my subscription ran out) but all of those lack something. It's like playing poker without money."
Obviously you fit in with the gambler class of people who play the game, that's not meant in a demeaning manner at all. It gives you that edge you need in gaming, which is cool, I get it. I'm a hold 'em guy myself and personally I'll stick to hold'em, I like my chances there. (I do play online poker for real $$$ quite frequent and the occasional table every now and then)
There's different ways things can be cherished. I know if I got a super rare drop in a P2P or F2P game I'd cherish it regardless, not just because I had to spend 100's of dollars for an attempt at obtaining it. The way you're saying you cherish your EU loot is somewhat like giving a friend 200 dollars and a few months later he just happens to give you a gift. You cherish the gift because of the money you gave him and you feel it was owed to you, not because of the friendly gesture itself. You cherish the items the way you cherish money, I cherish my items because they're damn sweet. This isn't the kind of game that majority of people want to play where it gives you the feeling you're always owed something. Though I will say, I'd cherish the loot too if it was worth a couple hundred dollars
Basically what EU does is forces you to make real life (as in your home, job, finacially speaking) decisions when trying to play a MMO game. I mean come on, NEVERDIE mortgaged his HOUSE for a online game! Sure, everyone knew it was a great investment though not without its risks. Hell, I even knew it was a good investment and I don't even play the game, but I'm just using it as an example to show how far it can really go. I want you to really step back and look at it, someone mortgaging their house for an MMO game. Food for thought perhaps.
All in all, I dare say it almost forces you to pay up as it limits what you can do by how deep your pocket is, basically feeding off peoples will to give into temptation. So basically you can do nothing more than settle for less and not truly be free to "play" all the contents of this particular game as much as you'd like. Unless of coarse you're a millionaire but in that case you'd be there investing to make money, feeding off the people giving into their EU temptations (which I'd be doing in a heartbeat from day 1).
Originally posted by SpawnStorm
yes maybe it is 5% that actually stay not because they got lucky but because they actually try harder.
I did not only say because they got lucky:
"Now you're left with the 5 or so percent, these are the people who either got lucky or are playing the system"
Clearly I stated "playing the system as well", which is playing the game as intended. Whether it be crafting, gathering, running a business, hustling, trading, hunting (all revolving around RMT ofcoarse) or whatever else you like to do in EU.
I'm not saying it's a bad game, I'm not saying it's a good game, I'm just saying how it would look on paper and that is all. I'm sure your average joe could go in this game and be sucessful. However, this game depicts the real life stress (money, money, money) that gamers are so eagerly trying to avoid and get away from in the first place. Needless to say this alone scares off some of the MMO gamers out there as they don't like having their every action during their leisure having real world scale consequences.
Not everyone's a hold 'em player I, can and do, accept that. All I can really do is offer to teach people who are interested how to play and not try to feed them lines. I'm not going to tell them they won't lose money if they hit the tables, you and I both know they will. All you can do is hope they rough out their loses and keep learning the game, sometimes it pays off for them and some times it dont. Only a small percentage of card players play for real money, it's about the same in the MMO world as far as games like EU go it's a very targeted market at the moment.
When people talk about EU, don't take it personally, you enjoy it and that's all that matters. Just don't try to sugar coat it, it's pretty easy to tell what a game's like pretty quick, especially in EU when RMT slaps you in the face when the novelty of the graphics wear thin after faceplanting off a cliff a few times.
Dont you just LOVE people making 1 new account and then promote their game/cause with it .... lol go away!
Uhm. My user profile was created: 11/09/08. But yes, you're onto me. I created an account here two years ago, all in order to now, when my time has come, finally promote my cause! MUAHAHAHAH.
And you're also absolutely spot-on with your creed about people with less than 10 posts. Likewise, you'll excuse me for not caring one bit about what some obsessed sad tosser on teh interweb thinks, especially when it's backed by statements such as: "ZOMG! IF YOU DO NOT OBSESSIVELY POST ON MMORPG.COM OR DO NOT HAVE AT LEAST 250,000 HOURS OF PLAYTIME IN ALL GAMES IN THE WORLD, YOU HAVE NOTHING WORTHWHILE TO SAY".
Would be great to have an IP logger on every post or thread just to get rid of people like that.
Well your creed is about Zero and your from England so you cant be John Capitol.
Kids mostly use caps lock when they want someone to listen just like you do here, might wanna try some color also how about flashing pink?
There is no weight or credability from people with 1-10 posts, it starts from about 100+ and there is a good reason for that. Like now for instance when all the people playing Entropia is making their accounts to try and glorify a game yet ones again to get more people to join the game.
Look at all the 1-10 post guys who tries to come to entropias rescue feeding us shit yet saying its candy. Please just stay in your game and lose your money if you want to but dont drag us down with you.
We are done here.
Well, one just completely agreed with what I said. Then again, I did write a essay about it in full detail not targeting anyone with insults and using absolute reason. . .
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They had an installer that worked perfect before but after they changed from their own gameengine ---> to CRyOengine 2 things went to crap. If you followed the game alot you would see that it wasent even the company that fixed the issues to make the people able to play it was acually the people on Entropiaforums.com. The people that only play the game and they dont get anything for helping the player yet they still do it.
Dude. Once you separate your points from the emotion and bitterness behind them you'll see that I was actually agreeing with you on a fundamental level. I was however drawing the distinction between Entropia reality and your own venom. The post above, for example, is pure venom and should be read as such.
Actually this is the main problem with Entropia. Not the transaction model. Not the unfinished nature of the game. The way it psychologically polarizes people. I encountered my fair share of it when I attempted to be part of the Entropia Universe community. The anonymity the internet provides plus the sensitivity of a human ego that has been bruised/battered due to someone else pulling the strings on their wallet is a combination that quickly leads to bitter, resentful people and/or defensive/insular behavior. Getting deep into the Entropia community alot of both exist --- this users responses are exemplary of that phenomena.
Many MMO users would say that this is nothing different than in any other MMO. On some level theyre right. I likened the Entropia community to the Darkfall community, a place where I spent 7 years getting to know folks prior to beta, during closed and open beta, etc. Folks who know the Darkfall community reputation know that the group can be very harsh. The difference between Entropia and Darkfall is that in EU the negativity is real, tangible, and can be quantified. I chose to withdraw from the Darkfall community and from the EU community for the same reasons --- the negativity was rubbing off on me and I found myself regretting getting involved on a human level with the other humans. I have since chosen to stick with the game, eschewing long term and/or deep interaction with its inhabitants, and have noticed the game is more enjoyable as a whole.
Anyhow Im going to be percieved as derailing this thread --- because its about the opening of RockTropia. What's the point of this thread though? To get people to play of course. Folks should play this game. Its an engaging title. But do so with restraint. It really is like no other mmo out there, in both the capacity to offer enjoyment and the capacity to harm. Be aware.
Laudanum - Romance. Revenge. Revolution.
Crappy, petty people breed and raise crappy, petty kids.
How many active players does EU have? I'm not interested in registerd accounts, but actual active players. It seems like it's either a sizable amount of players or a small handful of ePeen wallet wavers - something has to be making it worth it for Neverdie and people like him to invest this kind of money and effort into it.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
Theres quite a few actives, indeed the game is far from empty. Unfortunately its tough to tell exactly whats going on as folks come and go irregularly based on what they have chosen as their monthly spending cap, and what their professions are. Some jobs dont require alot of active playtime, others require a substantial amount.
At any given time though you can probably find a little over 1000 people online in the world. There's room for more, but with high system requirements and high cost per hour of play alot of old players have had to depart and alot of new players cant justify the cost.
Laudanum - Romance. Revenge. Revolution.
Crappy, petty people breed and raise crappy, petty kids.
Wow! Seriously, I'd see a doctor about that paranoia of yours, mate.
Don't get me wrong, I've seen this occur many times. Someone has a bad experience in Entropia and start to think it's all MA's fault. Then of course since MA is trying to steal everyone's money, that must mean that anyone who is doing well or actually enjoys the game must in fact be a paid MA spy.
Paranoia. Doctor. Today. (or the first work day possible, since it's Sunday.)
Happy hoffing
It was written like a joke and it was quite funny, hence the lol at the end. I know what how the game is no need to feed me crap.
Everyone is intitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts.
Have a good day.
Ah, I see. So:
Accusing ViagraFalls of only coming here to "advertise" EU
Accusing me of being an MA employee
Accusing me of paying others to come here to "advertise" EU
That was all just one big joke and you meant nothing by it, right?
Well, why didn't you just say so?
Happy hoffing
And another post about entropia, and again some idiots start to shoot it.
I will first state my point:
As far as i am concerned it is the player that deposits huge amounts, and not MA as the company providing the free game that steals your money... If you enter a new game and spend a huge amount at once, either you don't care about the money (you have enough of it) or are just stupid. Remind me it's you when i meet you and i will tell you about my superduper project that will be so fun/cool/profitable...
I am in EU since 2003, and have spent a few hundered dollar since. Yea, a lot, but still less than when i would have played some game with a $10 monthly fee. And my inventory still has about 50% tt value of deposited money. And i feel ok. And even as i don't play that active atm due to other priorities, i don't have to pay or lose my account.
You are the master of your own desaster, or architect of the fun factor. I have met some good friends ingame, which are now even RL friends. Some even play without ever depositing a single $!
And yes, the game had some down periods, like when they were preparing the V2 (crysis version), as the 'running' world missed some updates. But the game is still evolving. Missions will be there soon (ok, the current test drive missions i will ignore before someone shoots me for that/them). And the new world(s) will have to grow as well, both in size, as well in features.
And no, i am no MA employee. I did not create this account to promote EU (even if i almost only posted for this game) and i am happy with my real life. And if you don't get a SGA after spending $300 in a week you should buy a smaller gun and find out what 'fun' vs 'playing big boy' is. Grow up!
(now come and shoot this post)
Ok I'll shoot your post.
TL;DR version - I am better than you because I have spent money and still play.
That about sums up your little lecture. The "idiots" on this board are stating their opinions. Youve just stated yours. So congrats --- you are just like the rest of us. Unlike Entropia Forum you arent gonna get a whole mess of biased viewpoints in favor of EU to bury posts, with people using their "Vet Boardwarrior Status" as a way to beat down opposing viewpoints. Youre gonna see what the public actually sees. If you cant deal with it I suggest you go back to EF.
Thats not to say MMORPG.com is perfect. It really isnt! What it is however is an forum where the playing field is equal.
Once again, the closest thing to the truth about EU is in an earlier post I wrote in this thread:
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/3491012#3491012
Laudanum - Romance. Revenge. Revolution.
Crappy, petty people breed and raise crappy, petty kids.
OK I am new here too.. and Yes I play Planet Calypso.
Why am I here? Not because John Capital asked me, Not because VIagrafalls did, Hi there old soc leader btw.
But because this site springs up as to having news about Rocktropia and I wanted to read it.
So I though may as well create an account to reply here. I think.... there will be more coming this way, if this thread remains active in google.
Anyways, I haven't been to Rocktropia yet.
As for Planet Calypso. Yes it costs money.. the beauty of it, is you decide how much you pay. (unlike wow)
The second beauty is that that money is not lost, it is converted to skills and gear and can even lead to profit
I have deposited over 2k usd over a period of 6 years time. And when I should chip out/sell out now I am worth 5k usd.
the problem ofcourse is.. I dont want to chip out/sell out. And that is a major flaw. But the upside is.. that I could if I wanted.
Fpc, the people behind planet calypso have done a lot to improve their game by weekly updates and new content. This is not the same game as it was when it was called project entropia.
As you can see the most used argument used from the Entropia Community is: You can have some of youre money back. Nothing about gameplay and such, and that is just couse there isn`anything of that. The game is pretty much worse then any F2P korean Grinding MMO out there.
That community over there are so trapped in EU that they think that every other MMO out there are just as EU, they dont understand that people dont want theire money back from theire MMO-games they are playing. People play them for good gameplay and exploring worlds with theire friends.
The EU-community is all about: Money,Money and more Money.
Yes and if the game would end tomorrow the price you paid for a gun lets say 190.000 ped which is about 19,000 dollars would know be worth vendor value again and that is about 1700 ped which is 170 dollars.
And yes all the game is about is money. Which is exactly what I mean by glorifying something. And they even got auto shoot now so you only need to loot and go next mob. Works just like a one-armed-bandit, and youre sure getting robbed on the way.
The game looked too much like a casino before so they changed it by adding items insted of money in loot. Like it would help and make it another game, haha.
It is what it is. Nothing more, nothing less.
This statement sums up most of the EU community. There are some folks who are decent, but the majority of them are involved in a cash grab. Anything deviating from views on the games raw economics is percieved by the community as wrong. They are myopic in the extreme.
Laudanum - Romance. Revenge. Revolution.
Crappy, petty people breed and raise crappy, petty kids.
Exactly, I did play this game and the game is just what I said. You can sugar coat it all you want, does not change what the game is, the more suckers you find to play it the more money you make.
lol it is the farthest thing from the best looking mmo on the market regardless of what engine it is using
lol sounds like a mmo pyramid scheme
No, it's not "only about the money". The RCE and the possiblity to earn money gives the game a bit more excitement and is a fun element. But most of us playing the game understands that most of us players will not earn money and it will cost us money, just like all other games we pay for.
Bottom line, you can't do ANYTHING in this game without putting money in. Actually you can do one thing for free, walk around aimlessly. If MA really wanted to increase their playerbase, they would find a way to ease the load on new players. Perhaps something like actually starting them off with some stuff perhaps to help them on their "journey", instead of being greedy and just wanting people to straight up deposit in. I must admit, I tried the game and it's a bit overwhelming not having any idea where to start. Then you find out "oh, I can't do anything without depositing money into this game!"
So with the current setup, 90% of the people who would have actually stuck around and probably deposited once they got a hang of the game have now left in their first hour of playing. The other 10% will deposit in to find out what its about and half of those people will lose all their money and quit. Now you're left with the 5 or so percent, these are the people who either got lucky or are playing the system and made it big; or have lost so much money they're desperately trying to justify their losses by continuing to play and hopefully make it back some day, meanwhile continuing to feed the money machine.
When you have this random game that advertises itself as "free to play", you login to it only to find you have to literally pay to do ANYTHING (even fight mobs? I mean come on) it turns pretty much everyone in the MMO scene off. I say random because there's 100's of mmo's out there and let's face it, I've never seen publicity for EU except for the occasional "some random guy buys item/land/crap for X amount of dollars, world record!" non sense. So when there's actual huge P2P titles and some really interesting F2P that you can get away with only paying 15 bucks a month, it's rare that someone takes a second look at a low quality game with no content like EU (Sorry, your cry engine doesn't count for anything).
How far will 15 dollars take you in EU compared to other MMO's? You don't even have to answer that because we all know the answer. . .not very far at all. Not to mention the gameplay in EU is pretty much non existant. Like others have said, the game only drives toward and for one thing and one thing only, Money, money and more money. There's not a second you play this game and think about anything else but RL money, it's really nothing more than interactive online gambling that feeds on people who just love to spend their money. If there is ever a time where you feel like actually indulging yourself into some good "fun" gameplay in EU, expect to pay a couple hundred dollars to do so. You can sit here and try to sugar coat the game and justify at you want but it doesn't change the fact of what it is. Anyone who plays this game realizes it right away.
So pretty much, there's MANY (actually all) games that actual fun can be had for much. . much less. But if you're a gambler, wanna be hustler or a business minded guy with alot of money to blow and hope for return, then this "game" may be for you. Chances are you'll just be another notch in it's belt for people who've cashed in only to bite the dust, but hey, you had fun blowing that 500 dollars right? lol. . .
Maybe that it is about the money isn't that bad. I agree 15 dollars a month is a bit on the low side. But if you deposit 180 dollar once every year (which is basically the same) you will get a lot of gameplay, because that is 1800 peds. Ofcourse you can buy the biggest gun and the biggerst armour and go after the biggest mob. But the challenge in entropia is not too.. it;s how to stretch your deposit. It requires a different way of thinking. I have played a lot of other mmo's out there, free ones too, like perfect world, lotro (until my subscription ran out) but all of those lack something. It's like playing poker without money.
Not expecting a giant warhammer axe in every mob you loot is what you get in entropia, you need to cherish the things you do find, and not take them for granted. I would say an entropia player is a mature player. I am not saying wow-players or lotro players are not mature, but virtual life is easier for them. The fact that you mention that you can do nothing without a deposit but wander around confirms that view. Because the wandering around is absolute bliss. With plants giving way as you stroll through them. It is absolutely the best thing I have ever seen on a pc , next to crysis. the way the sun rises and sets, even swimming is a joy to watch and do. Jumping off a 800 m cliff into the water, skydiving, using a glitch so you can actually fly, do a teleporter race against other new players. there is a lot to do and to see. Trying to get the oil at the oilrig using advanced tactics by luring a lot of mobs in and working in groups is what I enjoyed a lot in my days as a noob. And if you say you can't get the oil as a noob, then the point stands again.. try harder.... and yes maybe it is 5% that actually stay not because they got lucky but because they actually try harder.
Or maybe not! Or maybe ducks will come one day to us from Mars and show us all the error of our ways. Or maybe Cheerios will reduce my cholesterol. Or maybe a giant hamster on a very large wheel will be the power source of the future!
Maybe, maybe, maybe.
Maybe a vigorous defense by a few players is not what this game needs. Maybe the game needs some actual PR work from people who arent complete idiots, game systems inplace within the world that are no cost/no profit that actually make the game feel like virtual reality, and malls that actually have to be staffed rather than passively vended from, so that folks walk into areas of town and feel alive.
Maybe then the virtual reality platform MA and NEVERDIE want to market will actually make some sense to a player who is logging on for the first time, and they'll be able to play EU as more than just an expensive WoW with some payback options.
There are alot of maybes in this world. As you can see, most of them are total crap. So lets stay away from the realm of conjecture and stick to what we actually know.
Thank you.
Laudanum - Romance. Revenge. Revolution.
Crappy, petty people breed and raise crappy, petty kids.
I always found it amusing when pe community brags about how grown up and mature they are and laughting about other games and how imature and childish theirs communitys are.
I understand and for a moment it makes sence untill we discover that we are talking about same persons that pay hundreds of dollars for female underwere to pose in towns.
Also fun and qualifie for a good standup comic joke when they claim pe is so good cos they dont need to pay montly fee because those 12 bucks per month would force them to play
while in pe a hogglo 30 min run can result in 50 bucks loss but thats NOT THE SAME cos they pay no monthly fee. Jeeez.
But one of the biggest ALL TIME HIGH jokes is when they pressed up the price on uber items by selling them to eachother like in a oligopoly where about max 100 players sold items to eachoter
and everytime it raised in price ofc and today is so high and no money in game that like in any normal bubble economy no one wants to deposit and pay as some items ended up at nearly 50.000 dollars and i know one item is asked 100.000 dollars for.
And to the mystery. Those poor pe players really believe that some rich uncle bob from texas oilfields or sheik Abdullah from Dubai will pop up and buy their items. I mean, if this is not retardness beyond recognition then i dont know what is because no one could ever explain why some items are worth nearly 50k dollars and this would even a down synderome understand that there is no matematic backup for the prices vs cashflow
I dont belive in god but if you told me that god created entropiauniverse so he could gather all retards in one place so they could stay the fuk away from irl, that would make sence.
Stay away from Entropia, its a sinking ship unless you want nostalgy from 70th hippie generation then Neverdies new island will be great as some mobs are naked chicks with big boobs......but yeah right, i forgot....mature community mature people
To say I'm less mature than you for saying "all you can do without paying in EU is wander around" (that's what I got from it anyways) is a hilarious acquisation in itself, if that's what you mean, let's keep it civil shall we? I wouldn't say "more mature", perhaps a more "serious" type of game would be more fitting title being everything revolves around RMT.
I believe the biggest problem here is the EU players posting here have a misconception. The misconcept appears to be that other people can't possibly know about the game simply because they don't play it, therefore anything said is void and anything you say is correct. This could not be further from the truth, how this game is made and ran is no big secret in the MMO industry. Now we get you guys coming here basically claiming blasphemy and trying to defend against what it actually is, why would you?
This is your style of game, it is what it is and you guys are passionate about it...I get that. However, you can't change what it is and try to sugar coat it simply because you don't like the way is sounds. Sure, you can go running through plants, jumping off cliffs and any other excuse under the sun you can think of. Don't get me wrong it sounds exhilarating and all, however, when it comes down to actual progression and intended gameplay (aka: not running around with your thumb up your ass jumping off cliffs and "teleport racing"), it's either put in or get out. The matter is, you're limited to what you can do by how much real money spent in the game, there's no argument to be had there. If you feel there's argument to be had this only mean the game is then lacking serious in content and isn't worth spending a dime on regardless. Feel free to argue about it, either way you lose and this is not what it's about.
There's plenty of games where you can "wander around", actually, in all MMO's but you can actually do other stuff as well that isn't labeled with a price tag. I'll completely agree with you, it requires a different way of thinking and I pretty much covered that in what I said in the following:
And from the looks of it:
" I have played a lot of other mmo's out there, free ones too, like perfect world, lotro (until my subscription ran out) but all of those lack something. It's like playing poker without money."
Obviously you fit in with the gambler class of people who play the game, that's not meant in a demeaning manner at all. It gives you that edge you need in gaming, which is cool, I get it. I'm a hold 'em guy myself and personally I'll stick to hold'em, I like my chances there. (I do play online poker for real $$$ quite frequent and the occasional table every now and then)
There's different ways things can be cherished. I know if I got a super rare drop in a P2P or F2P game I'd cherish it regardless, not just because I had to spend 100's of dollars for an attempt at obtaining it. The way you're saying you cherish your EU loot is somewhat like giving a friend 200 dollars and a few months later he just happens to give you a gift. You cherish the gift because of the money you gave him and you feel it was owed to you, not because of the friendly gesture itself. You cherish the items the way you cherish money, I cherish my items because they're damn sweet. This isn't the kind of game that majority of people want to play where it gives you the feeling you're always owed something. Though I will say, I'd cherish the loot too if it was worth a couple hundred dollars
Basically what EU does is forces you to make real life (as in your home, job, finacially speaking) decisions when trying to play a MMO game. I mean come on, NEVERDIE mortgaged his HOUSE for a online game! Sure, everyone knew it was a great investment though not without its risks. Hell, I even knew it was a good investment and I don't even play the game, but I'm just using it as an example to show how far it can really go. I want you to really step back and look at it, someone mortgaging their house for an MMO game. Food for thought perhaps.
All in all, I dare say it almost forces you to pay up as it limits what you can do by how deep your pocket is, basically feeding off peoples will to give into temptation. So basically you can do nothing more than settle for less and not truly be free to "play" all the contents of this particular game as much as you'd like. Unless of coarse you're a millionaire but in that case you'd be there investing to make money, feeding off the people giving into their EU temptations (which I'd be doing in a heartbeat from day 1).
I did not only say because they got lucky:
"Now you're left with the 5 or so percent, these are the people who either got lucky or are playing the system"
Clearly I stated "playing the system as well", which is playing the game as intended. Whether it be crafting, gathering, running a business, hustling, trading, hunting (all revolving around RMT ofcoarse) or whatever else you like to do in EU.
I'm not saying it's a bad game, I'm not saying it's a good game, I'm just saying how it would look on paper and that is all. I'm sure your average joe could go in this game and be sucessful. However, this game depicts the real life stress (money, money, money) that gamers are so eagerly trying to avoid and get away from in the first place. Needless to say this alone scares off some of the MMO gamers out there as they don't like having their every action during their leisure having real world scale consequences.
Not everyone's a hold 'em player I, can and do, accept that. All I can really do is offer to teach people who are interested how to play and not try to feed them lines. I'm not going to tell them they won't lose money if they hit the tables, you and I both know they will. All you can do is hope they rough out their loses and keep learning the game, sometimes it pays off for them and some times it dont. Only a small percentage of card players play for real money, it's about the same in the MMO world as far as games like EU go it's a very targeted market at the moment.
When people talk about EU, don't take it personally, you enjoy it and that's all that matters. Just don't try to sugar coat it, it's pretty easy to tell what a game's like pretty quick, especially in EU when RMT slaps you in the face when the novelty of the graphics wear thin after faceplanting off a cliff a few times.
Karmakazi said it all really. He used a lot of words and all I can say is that I agree.
This is a discussion about Entropia, I am one of those that like it. Some of you doesn't. That is fine.
You who does not, please give us a reason why.
I guess I have said why I like it before in this thread.
Karmakazii was constructive and used his words to make his points instead of beeing a troll.
Can you do the same?
Would be great to have an IP logger on every post or thread just to get rid of people like that.
Well your creed is about Zero and your from England so you cant be John Capitol.
Kids mostly use caps lock when they want someone to listen just like you do here, might wanna try some color also how about flashing pink?
There is no weight or credability from people with 1-10 posts, it starts from about 100+ and there is a good reason for that. Like now for instance when all the people playing Entropia is making their accounts to try and glorify a game yet ones again to get more people to join the game.
Well, one just completely agreed with what I said. Then again, I did write a essay about it in full detail not targeting anyone with insults and using absolute reason. . .