And yet again we hear the same old: Atleast you can get some of youre money back!
Yes that would have been nice if the game was good, but it`s pure crap. Without it`s RCE it would probably had been THE wors`t "mmo" ever made.
People don`t play mmo:s to get theire money back, how hard is that to understand?
Infact, EU is the only "game" that i have felt that i have actually WASTED time on.
It`s an abomination that has lived too long.
And then we have the EU community, that thinks that every other MMO is played by unmature Teens, most of them seems to have absolutley no experience of any other MMO. Yet they slam down on other mmo:s and call people that criticises EU for Trolls and that they shouldn`t talk about anything they haven`t played. Nicely done there guys!
I have played EU for over 4years, 4years where i played it couse of a gambling addiction. Now that im free of that and EU, i have regrets that i ever tuched the game. It feels like i was brainwashed during thoose years, and now i just think for myself: How could i ever EVER have tuched that game?
If you are an gamer stay away from EU, that is really all i can say. It shoulden`t even be alowed to be listed here.
And yet again we hear the same old: Atleast you can get some of youre money back!
Yes that would have been nice if the game was good, but it`s pure crap. Without it`s RCE it would probably had been THE wors`t "mmo" ever made.
People don`t play mmo:s to get theire money back, how hard is that to understand?
Infact, EU is the only "game" that i have felt that i have actually WASTED time on.
It`s an abomination that has lived too long.
And then we have the EU community, that thinks that every other MMO is played by unmature Teens, most of them seems to have absolutley no experience of any other MMO. Yet they slam down on other mmo:s and call people that criticises EU for Trolls and that they shouldn`t talk about anything they haven`t played. Nicely done there guys!
I have played EU for over 4years, 4years where i played it couse of a gambling addiction. Now that im free of that and EU, i have regrets that i ever tuched the game. It feels like i was brainwashed during thoose years, and now i just think for myself: How could i ever EVER have tuched that game?
If you are an gamer stay away from EU, that is really all i can say. It shoulden`t even be alowed to be listed here.
Well said and I agree 100 %, and I also played EU for a long time.
And yet again we hear the same old: Atleast you can get some of youre money back!
Yes that would have been nice if the game was good, but it`s pure crap. Without it`s RCE it would probably had been THE wors`t "mmo" ever made.
People don`t play mmo:s to get theire money back, how hard is that to understand?
Infact, EU is the only "game" that i have felt that i have actually WASTED time on.
It`s an abomination that has lived too long.
And then we have the EU community, that thinks that every other MMO is played by unmature Teens, most of them seems to have absolutley no experience of any other MMO. Yet they slam down on other mmo:s and call people that criticises EU for Trolls and that they shouldn`t talk about anything they haven`t played. Nicely done there guys!
I have played EU for over 4years, 4years where i played it couse of a gambling addiction. Now that im free of that and EU, i have regrets that i ever tuched the game. It feels like i was brainwashed during thoose years, and now i just think for myself: How could i ever EVER have tuched that game?
If you are an gamer stay away from EU, that is really all i can say. It shoulden`t even be alowed to be listed here.
You can get some money back , so why not say it?
Your opinion that the game is crap is just that. Your opinion. Others of us have differant opinions.
You suffer a gambling addiction? Too bad for you and I would say that EU is definately not the place for someone with a gambling addiction or poor impulse control.
As for other games being played by immature teens, if the shoe fits then wear it. Although I am sure other games must have some mature players too.
You say you have played the game for 4 years? Did you really start at age 10?
And yet again we hear the same old: Atleast you can get some of youre money back!
Yes that would have been nice if the game was good, but it`s pure crap. Without it`s RCE it would probably had been THE wors`t "mmo" ever made.
People don`t play mmo:s to get theire money back, how hard is that to understand?
Infact, EU is the only "game" that i have felt that i have actually WASTED time on.
It`s an abomination that has lived too long.
And then we have the EU community, that thinks that every other MMO is played by unmature Teens, most of them seems to have absolutley no experience of any other MMO. Yet they slam down on other mmo:s and call people that criticises EU for Trolls and that they shouldn`t talk about anything they haven`t played. Nicely done there guys!
I have played EU for over 4years, 4years where i played it couse of a gambling addiction. Now that im free of that and EU, i have regrets that i ever tuched the game. It feels like i was brainwashed during thoose years, and now i just think for myself: How could i ever EVER have tuched that game?
If you are an gamer stay away from EU, that is really all i can say. It shoulden`t even be alowed to be listed here.
I never withdrew any money and I am still playing after 6 years. I didn't waste time and made a lot of virtual friends. I even ran my own noob society once and have gotten a lot of satisfaction from it.
I never called an mmo player immature. read better. I said because of the rce missing you have it a lot easier, because every mob has an ancient huge warhammer axe as loot. (or something along those lines)
Gambling addiction is bad. I hope you are feeling better now. I won't deny EU is bad for people not able to control themselves because of a gambling addiction.
I think a gamer can simply try it out and see if it fits, if you are suffering from gambling addiction I would stay away from any game where money is involved . My brother had a gambling addiction and he cannot touch computer games.
I myself play 2 days in the week to make sure my RL doesn't suffer from VL. It has to be leisure time, not consuming you as a person.
I have plenty of experience with other games, I used to play planetarion a lot, and I am glad I don't do that anymore, because it invovled getting up at 4 am in the morning to launch your fleet..
Other games I played were/are perfect world, afterworld, Lotro, Dungeons and Dragons online, Rappelz and ofcourse all the games I played when i was an immature teen, back in the 80's
The Entropia community as a whole is simply mature, because we are.. there's a lot of us in our late 20's , 30's ,40's 50's and upwards, because we have the means to put the cash in. Teens do play entropia but they are the minority.
If you count the negative posts in this thread that have a lot of anger and frustration in it leading it to being perceived as immature then the balance doesn't flip towards the entropia community. So you are proving us right....
Its kinda crazy but i got negitive rep for posting here. like i said no one likes my openions. but i love playing Entropia. The game suits my interests, and what i perceive to be fun. but as i said before unless you know whats going on in the game. You might find it hard to get a profit, or even hold onto the money you do put into it. And it is this challenge alone that keeps me playing. Knowing if i make a mistake the losses are real. but if i do well the gains are also real. And i can play on what ever i want my budget to be. be it free or 10, 20,100 bucks a month.
The key is finding an angle that works for you in game. Sometimes though you just need to sit back and help out someone new learn the reality of the game. alot of people have big dreams comming in. And seriously Most of the ideas new people think up are unrealistic, or just plain dumb. But sometimes You will find someone that hammers a great idea and they run with it and end up doing something good in the long run.
Its kinda crazy but i got negitive rep for posting here. like i said no one likes my openions. but i love playing Entropia. The game suits my interests, and what i perceive to be fun. but as i said before unless you know whats going on in the game. You might find it hard to get a profit, or even hold onto the money you do put into it. And it is this challenge alone that keeps me playing. Knowing if i make a mistake the losses are real. but if i do well the gains are also real. And i can play on what ever i want my budget to be. be it free or 10, 20,100 bucks a month.
The key is finding an angle that works for you in game. Sometimes though you just need to sit back and help out someone new learn the reality of the game. alot of people have big dreams comming in. And seriously Most of the ideas new people think up are unrealistic, or just plain dumb. But sometimes You will find someone that hammers a great idea and they run with it and end up doing something good in the long run.
Hey Lorespade here comes some more negative rep. Cause Im about to agree with you... and we all know how much EF loves me!
That being said, this post is possibly more true than any I have made, as it lacks any attempt to categorize Entropia as some kind of scheme. Whether it is or is not a Ponzi scheme is debatable -- though I believe it absolutely is there is definitely some wiggle room where I could be wrong. The fundamental truths of Entropia are its fun, its engaging, and its dangerous. Warnings given about this game should be taken seriously, as the danger of this game is very real. But so are the rewards. I know folks who have dumped thousands into games by Perfect World. They lose just as bad as folks lose in Entropia --- and there is no hope for redemption. In EU there is.
The problem of course is the hope of redemption itself. As avatar luck based theories abound based off observed trends, and human understanding levels of the EU platform differ, though the hope of redemption is a reality, its also one of the most cruel things you can do to a person.
To draw a parallell.... Imagine you have a girlfriend. A really hot girlfriend who has every social connection you ever wanted, and who freely involves you in her world every day. Imagine then one day she dumps you for someone else, but tells you "Well, I just needed some time to think. I still like you. Maybe one day we will get back together." There are those who would reject this offer, those who would put it on a back burner and go fiddle around casually while they got a better sense of it, and those who would wait. Just from her passing on the possibility, at least one of the three types, and possibly two of the three will cause themselves stress that could have been avoided by her keeping things simple. Hope itself can be a very evil thing, giving those who are inclined to its pitfalls all the reason they need to cease living life for themselves, and begin living it for another.
Rocktropia is the first of many upcoming expansions to the Entropia Universe which recently changed over to the Crysis game engine (CE2). They’re working on vehicles, quests, introducing planets, and a variety of other new content designed to give more options from the daily grind. If you have tried Entropia Prior to August of 2009, you’ll probably quite surprised by its new engine’s appearance. I admit there are still many bugs when new systems come out, but I must say that Rocktropia came out almost entirely bug-free compared to what I’d expected.
I am in no way employed by MindArk/First Planet Company (MA/FPC - the company responsible for the Entropia Platform), but I do stand to make even greater profits than I already do inside the Entropia Universe if there are increased users. This does not mean that anyone joining can’t make money as well. Anyone with a brain, time, and dedication to “games” can make money here. A lot of those posting in this thread will likely flame away at EU because they’ve failed to make the profits they’d dreamed of when they joined. Most of them most likely lacked 1 of the 3 things I mentioned.
I realize the next stuff I’m about to say may sound like one of those “success story testimonials” for get rich quick schemes. It is more designed for the sake of opening people’s eyes to the profit possible during their gaming hours instead of simply giving their free time away in other games. I have played tons of MMO’s and FPS games. I’m not trying to make this about bragging or saying my life story but I do think my example could prove that it is still an amazingly modern gaming option and not a “dead” game.
I joined Entropia 8 years ago. I quit 3 years later and used the money to move from the USA to France for a summer. After I’d returned from France, I was already missing Entropia due to the many friends I’d made there (as well as the nice chunk of money I’d cashed out in my moderate gaming (10-20k USD). I restarted playing with the help of a friend who gave me some of his stuff to sellout for him. I made about $200 from that and have turned it into my present day’s value in EU of 250-450k USD. On top of that, I’ve cashed out 30-50k USD per year for the past 3-4 years (which I might add I paid taxes to the US government for). This is decent money in my opinion but it is my FULL TIME job now to play EU. I have a Mech. Engineering degree but with the money being equal or better, which would you pick?
I’ve tried to get into other games since and have had fun while playing them. I tried WoW for all of 3 days but quickly realized that I’d rather be making REAL MONEY while playing. I played EQ2 when Sony had their online trading of items for dollars site but lost interest quickly after I saw the lack of value of my time vs. what Entropia profits are. Eve Online is a decent money maker and a few other high Entropians also are quite high up there.
I got onto a bit of a ramble here but I do feel quite strongly that anyone with some intelligence and free time who gives EU a fair chance won’t be disappointed. If you’ve already tried EU and didn’t like it ages ago, try it again. This doesn’t mean dump in thousands of dollars when you start. It means to spend a week being a sponge of information on the forums, viewing wiki, traversing EU, and browsing the auctions. The download is free and doesn’t require any monthly subscription. If you are like me when I made my first character, you can view it as if you’re buying a game if you make a $45-50 deposit after you’re comfortable with it. I got 8 years out of this game so far and it didn’t require me to spend the $50-200 on new games per month that I was prior to this game. Instead I simply cash out monthly and it updates itself to get more interesting.
Don’t take it personally if I put a bullet in your ass and tap dance on your dead body there one day!
I doubted Rogaine when I first saw it. I had tried many hair loss products before, and none of them worked. But for $50 I thought what did I have to lose? And it regrew my hair! Rogaine worked for me!
I doubted Rogaine when I first saw it. I had tried many hair loss products before, and none of them worked. But for $50 I thought what did I have to lose? And it regrew my hair! Rogaine worked for me!
Weird that you don't know who mercury is.. anyway, good luck with your new hair.
I doubted Rogaine when I first saw it. I had tried many hair loss products before, and none of them worked. But for $50 I thought what did I have to lose? And it regrew my hair! Rogaine worked for me!
Weird that you don't know who mercury is.. anyway, good luck with your new hair.
Hehe. Its true I dont know who Mercury is. Its not really that big of a deal, I was just posting to highlight the testimonial type nature of his post. There's nothing wrong with a testimonial. It is what it is.
My new hair rocks. I grew a fro in just under 2 hours. Ive had to invest in hair picks! Hopefully the investment pays off somewhere down the line. These hair picks could be golden! :-)
I doubted Rogaine when I first saw it. I had tried many hair loss products before, and none of them worked. But for $50 I thought what did I have to lose? And it regrew my hair! Rogaine worked for me!
Weird that you don't know who mercury is.. anyway, good luck with your new hair.
Hehe. Its true I dont know who Mercury is. Its not really that big of a deal, I was just posting to highlight the testimonial type nature of his post. There's nothing wrong with a testimonial. It is what it is.
My new hair rocks. I grew a fro in just under 2 hours. Ive had to invest in hair picks! Hopefully the investment pays off somewhere down the line. These hair picks could be golden! :-)
Let me help you out there:
I would say mercury's testimon(e)y is more real then your hair...
Entropia is a moneypit, it's boring, it's gambling, it's a sub-par gaming platform, barely up to the standard of games that were released in the 90's in terms of gameplay and innovation. In fact, if you disregard the so-called "RCE" there is absolutely nothing about this game worth your attention.
Entropia is a scam, a casino designed to suck you in and strip your bank account. The Swedes are rich enough without you handing over your credit cards! DONT FALL FOR IT!
Entropia is a moneypit, it's boring, it's gambling, it's a sub-par gaming platform, barely up to the standard of games that were released in the 90's in terms of gameplay and innovation. In fact, if you disregard the so-called "RCE" there is absolutely nothing about this game worth your attention.
I think the only reason I like it is because of the world itself, maybe the graphics themselves aren't that great but i like the design of it
Entropia is a moneypit, it's boring, it's gambling, it's a sub-par gaming platform, barely up to the standard of games that were released in the 90's in terms of gameplay and innovation. In fact, if you disregard the so-called "RCE" there is absolutely nothing about this game worth your attention.
I should add, Rocktropia is intended to be a seperate game from Calypso.
Entropia Universe is the ponzi platform. Planet's are the casino "games" machines. Calypso (including CND and CP) is one casino game, Rocktropia is another casino game.
Just thought I'd put it out there, because it seems some people still think that Calypso and Rocktropia are meant to share common themes, but they're not. Well they share one common theme - they both offer zero value for the thousands of dollars it will inevitably cost you to play them.
Entropia is a scam, a casino designed to suck you in and strip your bank account. The Swedes are rich enough without you handing over your credit cards! DONT FALL FOR IT!
How many active players does EU have? I'm not interested in registerd accounts, but actual active players. It seems like it's either a sizable amount of players or a small handful of ePeen wallet wavers - something has to be making it worth it for Neverdie and people like him to invest this kind of money and effort into it.
Most estimates (which is all we have, estimates, cause MA will never divulge that only 1-2% of registrations, remain active) come to around 10-15k active avatars (log in a couple hours a month). There's likely only 5-10k that play for any "real" length of time on a regular basis.
Entropia is a scam, a casino designed to suck you in and strip your bank account. The Swedes are rich enough without you handing over your credit cards! DONT FALL FOR IT!
Maybe that it is about the money isn't that bad. I agree 15 dollars a month is a bit on the low side. But if you deposit 180 dollar once every year (which is basically the same) you will get a lot of gameplay, because that is 1800 peds.
1800PEDs is 180USD... in EU, it is very common to lose that much money in a very very short period of time.
I can almost guarantee you it wouldn't last you longer than 3 months, unless you played the most boring, mindnumbing eco style possible. Even then, it still probably won't last.
One of the biggest hunters in-game started a scheme where he payed 5 newbies, $15 a month to keep a log of their activity, because he was adamant that you could survive on the same money that other subscription based MMO's require (~$15/month).
He ended up admitting he was wrong as 4 of the 5 players dropped out (failed or stopped playing) and the other had to resort to depositing their own monies on top of the sponsored $15.
In other words, even in the strictest most disciplined circumstances, guided by one of the so-called "ubers" of Entropia, it's still almost certain that playing Entropia will cost you over $15/month. In my society, the average deposit was around $20 a week and no players in our soc were over 165hp except me (but my average deposits were hundreds $ per week).
Entropia is about money, not gaming.
Entropia is a scam, a casino designed to suck you in and strip your bank account. The Swedes are rich enough without you handing over your credit cards! DONT FALL FOR IT!
Entropia is a moneypit, it's boring, it's gambling, it's a sub-par gaming platform, barely up to the standard of games that were released in the 90's in terms of gameplay and innovation. In fact, if you disregard the so-called "RCE" there is absolutely nothing about this game worth your attention.
I should add, Rocktropia is intended to be a seperate game from Calypso.
Entropia Universe is the ponzi platform. Planet's are the casino "games" machines. Calypso (including CND and CP) is one casino game, Rocktropia is another casino game.
Just thought I'd put it out there, because it seems some people still think that Calypso and Rocktropia are meant to share common themes, but they're not. Well they share one common theme - they both offer zero value for the thousands of dollars it will inevitably cost you to play them.
Mindark hosts the platform Entropia Universe and First Planet Calypso and now Rocktropia are planets within that platform/universe. There are a few more planets under development some of which seem interesting and CKI (Planet Cyrene) seems to be concentrating more on gameplay not sure what they will add but we will just have to see.
Speak for yourself about offering zero value for the thousands of dollars you think you will spend. I've been playing since 2004 and aside from some small investment deposits over time to this date its cost me nothing to play PE/EU now FPC. I've not made a living playing EU I don't have the patience or dedication to do that but I have taken out more than I have put in and have a decently equiped and skilled avatar. I've not had the awesome luck nor looted items that inflated in value. I've played within my means and within my timeframe (not 40+ hrs per week)
Look EU can be a money pit if the person that controls the deposits doesnt watch their funds. Lot of things can be money pits if you are not careful with your money. I've thrown away a lot of money on sub-par games over the years and PE had its moments where I thought the same thing, its just going to take all my money, but I changed my approach and tactics within the game. I controlled impulse buys, offered services, scaled back in play during down cycles, sold what I needed to to grow my ped card yet still grow my avatar, taken extended breaks, etc etc.
Beyond the game mechanics which I have to admit are a bit dated but seem to be getting better there are a lot of different levels economically and socially many over look since they can't seem look past what they think is "just a casino game" which it is not.
I've seen labels thrown every which way at Project Entropia over the years in a variey of forums. I've also seen a lot of sour grapes as well and much of that is from people not watching their funds and thinkng they can accomplish what many of us have done in years worth of time and when they don't the jaded and polarized views pop up.
Sorry Marco pissed in your cornflakes Scamtropia heres a good quote for ya:
"Clarice Starling: You see a lot, Doctor. But are you strong enough to point that high-powered perception at yourself? What about it? Why don't you - why don't you look at yourself and write down what you see? Or maybe you're afraid to. "
Name one other hobby where the stuff you use can make you a profit selling it second-hand.
Stamp collecting.
Trading cards.
Antique collections.
Modifying cars.
Oh, just one...
Entropia is a scam, a casino designed to suck you in and strip your bank account. The Swedes are rich enough without you handing over your credit cards! DONT FALL FOR IT!
I doubted Rogaine when I first saw it. I had tried many hair loss products before, and none of them worked. But for $50 I thought what did I have to lose? And it regrew my hair! Rogaine worked for me!
Weird that you don't know who mercury is.. anyway, good luck with your new hair.
Hehe. Its true I dont know who Mercury is. Its not really that big of a deal, I was just posting to highlight the testimonial type nature of his post. There's nothing wrong with a testimonial. It is what it is.
My new hair rocks. I grew a fro in just under 2 hours. Ive had to invest in hair picks! Hopefully the investment pays off somewhere down the line. These hair picks could be golden! :-)
Let me help you out there:
I would say mercury's testimon(e)y is more real then your hair...
Uh. Whats all that supposed to mean? I didnt call her/him a liar. I said it was a testimonial. Huge difference.
“In a Ponzi scheme, not all investors lose,” said Tamar Frankel, a law professor at Boston University who has written on Ponzi schemes. “Those who manage to get out in time retain their investments and some of their gains.”
That quote is from the New York Times. Perhaps youve heard of it. So she is making money. So what. I still stand by my assertation that EU is a Ponzi scheme.
Speak for yourself about offering zero value for the thousands of dollars
I was... and simultaneously I was speaking on behalf of the large portion of the EF community, who also feel ripped off. If you disagree that a large portion of current EU participants are disgruntled, then unfortunately, you're in denial.
Entropia is a scam, a casino designed to suck you in and strip your bank account. The Swedes are rich enough without you handing over your credit cards! DONT FALL FOR IT!
Sorry gonna have to go kinda ADHD on this try to follow the bouncing ball of thought,
One major issue about Real Cash Economy games like this. is the fact it needs to be in a MMO format. And money needs to come from the players. It would be like Saying A poker game is a ponzi. And if the company is expected to make some sort of profit. Now the issue is multiple things such as paying other players for their return on investment, this money has to come from someone else's losses. and to have the company take their fair cut as well.
Some things like...... i got this urge to go play Xbox. will provide another meaningless post later
Sorry gonna have to go kinda ADHD on this try to follow the bouncing ball of thought,
One major issue about Real Cash Economy games like this. is the fact it needs to be in a MMO format. And money needs to come from the players. It would be like Saying A poker game is a ponzi. And if the company is expected to make some sort of profit. Now the issue is multiple things such as paying other players for their return on investment, this money has to come from someone else's losses. and to have the company take their fair cut as well.
Some things like...... i got this urge to go play Xbox. will provide another meaningless post later
Ok I understand what youre getting at. I feel the same way, frankly. A Ponzi type of business arrangement falls short of success not because of lack of funding, but rather lack of providing a valuable service. At this point EU provides nothing, but takes a great deal. Yes Im sure people will argue that users provide content. This is true. My girlfriend has an art gallery shes starting in EU where she hosts various local artists work online. That however is not an EU provided service. Thats a service provided by my girlfriend. She still has to go out, take the risk of crafting, failing, paying for materials, paying to upload content, and then paying for space to host those materials. All of which she could do via photobucket for free. My point --- EU provides so far nothing more than the basic internet provides. The virtual reality bit is a little bit of a sham as it currently stands. Without providing a relevant, beneficial income generating service of value to its customers, EU is at this moment a business architectured around a model that is arguably a Ponzi scheme. Can it change? Sure. As soon as MA gets off their collective butts and starts talking honest to both consumers and investors they may actually get investors willing to put money into the service they are providing, rather than simply into the system by which money is emptied out of the consumers pockets. The virtual reality thing could work for them. It really could... but like the entire virtual reality concept itself, right now its a bit of a phantom.
Excuse me for the rather long rant. I just got back from the bar. Im not thinking too clearly.
Does anyone know how much they take in compared to how much they give out? What the "rake" or "vig" is.
For example online poker takes 5% for ring games 10% for tournies, live poker is probably 3 times that amount. Slots are anywhere from 2-20%. So I'm guessing they have to be at least 50%?
Does anyone know how much they take in compared to how much they give out? What the "rake" or "vig" is.
For example online poker takes 5% for ring games 10% for tournies, live poker is probably 3 times that amount. Slots are anywhere from 2-20%. So I'm guessing they have to be at least 50%?
Lots of studies have been done on this, but after VU10 it seems alot of the data is in question. The average cost of play was stated by MA as intended to be $1 per hour of play --- over time.
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And yet again we hear the same old: Atleast you can get some of youre money back!
Yes that would have been nice if the game was good, but it`s pure crap. Without it`s RCE it would probably had been THE wors`t "mmo" ever made.
People don`t play mmo:s to get theire money back, how hard is that to understand?
Infact, EU is the only "game" that i have felt that i have actually WASTED time on.
It`s an abomination that has lived too long.
And then we have the EU community, that thinks that every other MMO is played by unmature Teens, most of them seems to have absolutley no experience of any other MMO. Yet they slam down on other mmo:s and call people that criticises EU for Trolls and that they shouldn`t talk about anything they haven`t played. Nicely done there guys!
I have played EU for over 4years, 4years where i played it couse of a gambling addiction. Now that im free of that and EU, i have regrets that i ever tuched the game. It feels like i was brainwashed during thoose years, and now i just think for myself: How could i ever EVER have tuched that game?
If you are an gamer stay away from EU, that is really all i can say. It shoulden`t even be alowed to be listed here.
Well said and I agree 100 %, and I also played EU for a long time.
You can get some money back , so why not say it?
Your opinion that the game is crap is just that. Your opinion. Others of us have differant opinions.
You suffer a gambling addiction? Too bad for you and I would say that EU is definately not the place for someone with a gambling addiction or poor impulse control.
As for other games being played by immature teens, if the shoe fits then wear it. Although I am sure other games must have some mature players too.
You say you have played the game for 4 years? Did you really start at age 10?
I never withdrew any money and I am still playing after 6 years. I didn't waste time and made a lot of virtual friends. I even ran my own noob society once and have gotten a lot of satisfaction from it.
I never called an mmo player immature. read better. I said because of the rce missing you have it a lot easier, because every mob has an ancient huge warhammer axe as loot. (or something along those lines)
Gambling addiction is bad. I hope you are feeling better now. I won't deny EU is bad for people not able to control themselves because of a gambling addiction.
I think a gamer can simply try it out and see if it fits, if you are suffering from gambling addiction I would stay away from any game where money is involved . My brother had a gambling addiction and he cannot touch computer games.
I myself play 2 days in the week to make sure my RL doesn't suffer from VL. It has to be leisure time, not consuming you as a person.
I have plenty of experience with other games, I used to play planetarion a lot, and I am glad I don't do that anymore, because it invovled getting up at 4 am in the morning to launch your fleet..
Other games I played were/are perfect world, afterworld, Lotro, Dungeons and Dragons online, Rappelz and ofcourse all the games I played when i was an immature teen, back in the 80's
The Entropia community as a whole is simply mature, because we are.. there's a lot of us in our late 20's , 30's ,40's 50's and upwards, because we have the means to put the cash in. Teens do play entropia but they are the minority.
If you count the negative posts in this thread that have a lot of anger and frustration in it leading it to being perceived as immature then the balance doesn't flip towards the entropia community. So you are proving us right....
Hof ON!
Well Ingame it would be Spade Lores Indigo
And Lorespade in the Entropia forums.
Its kinda crazy but i got negitive rep for posting here. like i said no one likes my openions. but i love playing Entropia. The game suits my interests, and what i perceive to be fun. but as i said before unless you know whats going on in the game. You might find it hard to get a profit, or even hold onto the money you do put into it. And it is this challenge alone that keeps me playing. Knowing if i make a mistake the losses are real. but if i do well the gains are also real. And i can play on what ever i want my budget to be. be it free or 10, 20,100 bucks a month.
The key is finding an angle that works for you in game. Sometimes though you just need to sit back and help out someone new learn the reality of the game. alot of people have big dreams comming in. And seriously Most of the ideas new people think up are unrealistic, or just plain dumb. But sometimes You will find someone that hammers a great idea and they run with it and end up doing something good in the long run.
Hey Lorespade here comes some more negative rep. Cause Im about to agree with you... and we all know how much EF loves me!
That being said, this post is possibly more true than any I have made, as it lacks any attempt to categorize Entropia as some kind of scheme. Whether it is or is not a Ponzi scheme is debatable -- though I believe it absolutely is there is definitely some wiggle room where I could be wrong. The fundamental truths of Entropia are its fun, its engaging, and its dangerous. Warnings given about this game should be taken seriously, as the danger of this game is very real. But so are the rewards. I know folks who have dumped thousands into games by Perfect World. They lose just as bad as folks lose in Entropia --- and there is no hope for redemption. In EU there is.
The problem of course is the hope of redemption itself. As avatar luck based theories abound based off observed trends, and human understanding levels of the EU platform differ, though the hope of redemption is a reality, its also one of the most cruel things you can do to a person.
To draw a parallell.... Imagine you have a girlfriend. A really hot girlfriend who has every social connection you ever wanted, and who freely involves you in her world every day. Imagine then one day she dumps you for someone else, but tells you "Well, I just needed some time to think. I still like you. Maybe one day we will get back together." There are those who would reject this offer, those who would put it on a back burner and go fiddle around casually while they got a better sense of it, and those who would wait. Just from her passing on the possibility, at least one of the three types, and possibly two of the three will cause themselves stress that could have been avoided by her keeping things simple. Hope itself can be a very evil thing, giving those who are inclined to its pitfalls all the reason they need to cease living life for themselves, and begin living it for another.
Laudanum - Romance. Revenge. Revolution.
Crappy, petty people breed and raise crappy, petty kids.
Rocktropia is the first of many upcoming expansions to the Entropia Universe which recently changed over to the Crysis game engine (CE2). They’re working on vehicles, quests, introducing planets, and a variety of other new content designed to give more options from the daily grind. If you have tried Entropia Prior to August of 2009, you’ll probably quite surprised by its new engine’s appearance. I admit there are still many bugs when new systems come out, but I must say that Rocktropia came out almost entirely bug-free compared to what I’d expected.
I am in no way employed by MindArk/First Planet Company (MA/FPC - the company responsible for the Entropia Platform), but I do stand to make even greater profits than I already do inside the Entropia Universe if there are increased users. This does not mean that anyone joining can’t make money as well. Anyone with a brain, time, and dedication to “games” can make money here. A lot of those posting in this thread will likely flame away at EU because they’ve failed to make the profits they’d dreamed of when they joined. Most of them most likely lacked 1 of the 3 things I mentioned.
I realize the next stuff I’m about to say may sound like one of those “success story testimonials” for get rich quick schemes. It is more designed for the sake of opening people’s eyes to the profit possible during their gaming hours instead of simply giving their free time away in other games. I have played tons of MMO’s and FPS games. I’m not trying to make this about bragging or saying my life story but I do think my example could prove that it is still an amazingly modern gaming option and not a “dead” game.
I joined Entropia 8 years ago. I quit 3 years later and used the money to move from the USA to France for a summer. After I’d returned from France, I was already missing Entropia due to the many friends I’d made there (as well as the nice chunk of money I’d cashed out in my moderate gaming (10-20k USD). I restarted playing with the help of a friend who gave me some of his stuff to sellout for him. I made about $200 from that and have turned it into my present day’s value in EU of 250-450k USD. On top of that, I’ve cashed out 30-50k USD per year for the past 3-4 years (which I might add I paid taxes to the US government for). This is decent money in my opinion but it is my FULL TIME job now to play EU. I have a Mech. Engineering degree but with the money being equal or better, which would you pick?
I’ve tried to get into other games since and have had fun while playing them. I tried WoW for all of 3 days but quickly realized that I’d rather be making REAL MONEY while playing. I played EQ2 when Sony had their online trading of items for dollars site but lost interest quickly after I saw the lack of value of my time vs. what Entropia profits are. Eve Online is a decent money maker and a few other high Entropians also are quite high up there.
I got onto a bit of a ramble here but I do feel quite strongly that anyone with some intelligence and free time who gives EU a fair chance won’t be disappointed. If you’ve already tried EU and didn’t like it ages ago, try it again. This doesn’t mean dump in thousands of dollars when you start. It means to spend a week being a sponge of information on the forums, viewing wiki, traversing EU, and browsing the auctions. The download is free and doesn’t require any monthly subscription. If you are like me when I made my first character, you can view it as if you’re buying a game if you make a $45-50 deposit after you’re comfortable with it. I got 8 years out of this game so far and it didn’t require me to spend the $50-200 on new games per month that I was prior to this game. Instead I simply cash out monthly and it updates itself to get more interesting.
Don’t take it personally if I put a bullet in your ass and tap dance on your dead body there one day!
I doubted Rogaine when I first saw it. I had tried many hair loss products before, and none of them worked. But for $50 I thought what did I have to lose? And it regrew my hair! Rogaine worked for me!
Laudanum - Romance. Revenge. Revolution.
Crappy, petty people breed and raise crappy, petty kids.
Weird that you don't know who mercury is.. anyway, good luck with your new hair.
Hehe. Its true I dont know who Mercury is. Its not really that big of a deal, I was just posting to highlight the testimonial type nature of his post. There's nothing wrong with a testimonial. It is what it is.
My new hair rocks. I grew a fro in just under 2 hours. Ive had to invest in hair picks! Hopefully the investment pays off somewhere down the line. These hair picks could be golden! :-)
Laudanum - Romance. Revenge. Revolution.
Crappy, petty people breed and raise crappy, petty kids.
Entropia is a moneypit, it's boring, it's gambling, it's a sub-par gaming platform, barely up to the standard of games that were released in the 90's in terms of gameplay and innovation. In fact, if you disregard the so-called "RCE" there is absolutely nothing about this game worth your attention.
Entropia is a scam, a casino designed to suck you in and strip your bank account.
The Swedes are rich enough without you handing over your credit cards! DONT FALL FOR IT!
I think the only reason I like it is because of the world itself, maybe the graphics themselves aren't that great but i like the design of it
I should add, Rocktropia is intended to be a seperate game from Calypso.
Entropia Universe is the ponzi platform. Planet's are the casino "games" machines. Calypso (including CND and CP) is one casino game, Rocktropia is another casino game.
Just thought I'd put it out there, because it seems some people still think that Calypso and Rocktropia are meant to share common themes, but they're not. Well they share one common theme - they both offer zero value for the thousands of dollars it will inevitably cost you to play them.
Entropia is a scam, a casino designed to suck you in and strip your bank account.
The Swedes are rich enough without you handing over your credit cards! DONT FALL FOR IT!
Most estimates (which is all we have, estimates, cause MA will never divulge that only 1-2% of registrations, remain active) come to around 10-15k active avatars (log in a couple hours a month). There's likely only 5-10k that play for any "real" length of time on a regular basis.
Entropia is a scam, a casino designed to suck you in and strip your bank account.
The Swedes are rich enough without you handing over your credit cards! DONT FALL FOR IT!
1800PEDs is 180USD... in EU, it is very common to lose that much money in a very very short period of time.
I can almost guarantee you it wouldn't last you longer than 3 months, unless you played the most boring, mindnumbing eco style possible. Even then, it still probably won't last.
One of the biggest hunters in-game started a scheme where he payed 5 newbies, $15 a month to keep a log of their activity, because he was adamant that you could survive on the same money that other subscription based MMO's require (~$15/month).
He ended up admitting he was wrong as 4 of the 5 players dropped out (failed or stopped playing) and the other had to resort to depositing their own monies on top of the sponsored $15.
In other words, even in the strictest most disciplined circumstances, guided by one of the so-called "ubers" of Entropia, it's still almost certain that playing Entropia will cost you over $15/month. In my society, the average deposit was around $20 a week and no players in our soc were over 165hp except me (but my average deposits were hundreds $ per week).
Entropia is about money, not gaming.
Entropia is a scam, a casino designed to suck you in and strip your bank account.
The Swedes are rich enough without you handing over your credit cards! DONT FALL FOR IT!
Wow, look at all those words written to defend a ponzi scheme and all those new accounts popping up.
Mindark hosts the platform Entropia Universe and First Planet Calypso and now Rocktropia are planets within that platform/universe. There are a few more planets under development some of which seem interesting and CKI (Planet Cyrene) seems to be concentrating more on gameplay not sure what they will add but we will just have to see.
Speak for yourself about offering zero value for the thousands of dollars you think you will spend. I've been playing since 2004 and aside from some small investment deposits over time to this date its cost me nothing to play PE/EU now FPC. I've not made a living playing EU I don't have the patience or dedication to do that but I have taken out more than I have put in and have a decently equiped and skilled avatar. I've not had the awesome luck nor looted items that inflated in value. I've played within my means and within my timeframe (not 40+ hrs per week)
Look EU can be a money pit if the person that controls the deposits doesnt watch their funds. Lot of things can be money pits if you are not careful with your money. I've thrown away a lot of money on sub-par games over the years and PE had its moments where I thought the same thing, its just going to take all my money, but I changed my approach and tactics within the game. I controlled impulse buys, offered services, scaled back in play during down cycles, sold what I needed to to grow my ped card yet still grow my avatar, taken extended breaks, etc etc.
Beyond the game mechanics which I have to admit are a bit dated but seem to be getting better there are a lot of different levels economically and socially many over look since they can't seem look past what they think is "just a casino game" which it is not.
I've seen labels thrown every which way at Project Entropia over the years in a variey of forums. I've also seen a lot of sour grapes as well and much of that is from people not watching their funds and thinkng they can accomplish what many of us have done in years worth of time and when they don't the jaded and polarized views pop up.
Sorry Marco pissed in your cornflakes Scamtropia heres a good quote for ya:
"Clarice Starling: You see a lot, Doctor. But are you strong enough to point that high-powered perception at yourself? What about it? Why don't you - why don't you look at yourself and write down what you see? Or maybe you're afraid to. "
Stamp collecting.
Trading cards.
Antique collections.
Modifying cars.
Oh, just one...
Entropia is a scam, a casino designed to suck you in and strip your bank account.
The Swedes are rich enough without you handing over your credit cards! DONT FALL FOR IT!
Uh. Whats all that supposed to mean? I didnt call her/him a liar. I said it was a testimonial. Huge difference.
“In a Ponzi scheme, not all investors lose,” said Tamar Frankel, a law professor at Boston University who has written on Ponzi schemes. “Those who manage to get out in time retain their investments and some of their gains.”
That quote is from the New York Times. Perhaps youve heard of it. So she is making money. So what. I still stand by my assertation that EU is a Ponzi scheme.
Laudanum - Romance. Revenge. Revolution.
Crappy, petty people breed and raise crappy, petty kids.
I was... and simultaneously I was speaking on behalf of the large portion of the EF community, who also feel ripped off. If you disagree that a large portion of current EU participants are disgruntled, then unfortunately, you're in denial.
Entropia is a scam, a casino designed to suck you in and strip your bank account.
The Swedes are rich enough without you handing over your credit cards! DONT FALL FOR IT!
Sorry gonna have to go kinda ADHD on this try to follow the bouncing ball of thought,
One major issue about Real Cash Economy games like this. is the fact it needs to be in a MMO format. And money needs to come from the players. It would be like Saying A poker game is a ponzi. And if the company is expected to make some sort of profit. Now the issue is multiple things such as paying other players for their return on investment, this money has to come from someone else's losses. and to have the company take their fair cut as well.
Some things like...... i got this urge to go play Xbox. will provide another meaningless post later
Ok I understand what youre getting at. I feel the same way, frankly. A Ponzi type of business arrangement falls short of success not because of lack of funding, but rather lack of providing a valuable service. At this point EU provides nothing, but takes a great deal. Yes Im sure people will argue that users provide content. This is true. My girlfriend has an art gallery shes starting in EU where she hosts various local artists work online. That however is not an EU provided service. Thats a service provided by my girlfriend. She still has to go out, take the risk of crafting, failing, paying for materials, paying to upload content, and then paying for space to host those materials. All of which she could do via photobucket for free. My point --- EU provides so far nothing more than the basic internet provides. The virtual reality bit is a little bit of a sham as it currently stands. Without providing a relevant, beneficial income generating service of value to its customers, EU is at this moment a business architectured around a model that is arguably a Ponzi scheme. Can it change? Sure. As soon as MA gets off their collective butts and starts talking honest to both consumers and investors they may actually get investors willing to put money into the service they are providing, rather than simply into the system by which money is emptied out of the consumers pockets. The virtual reality thing could work for them. It really could... but like the entire virtual reality concept itself, right now its a bit of a phantom.
Excuse me for the rather long rant. I just got back from the bar. Im not thinking too clearly.
Laudanum - Romance. Revenge. Revolution.
Crappy, petty people breed and raise crappy, petty kids.
Does anyone know how much they take in compared to how much they give out? What the "rake" or "vig" is.
For example online poker takes 5% for ring games 10% for tournies, live poker is probably 3 times that amount. Slots are anywhere from 2-20%. So I'm guessing they have to be at least 50%?
Lots of studies have been done on this, but after VU10 it seems alot of the data is in question. The average cost of play was stated by MA as intended to be $1 per hour of play --- over time.
Laudanum - Romance. Revenge. Revolution.
Crappy, petty people breed and raise crappy, petty kids.