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"But It's Star Wars!!!"
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I am getting sick of this defense.
Bioware is my favorite developer. ME2 and DAO are the best games I have played for years.
Star Wars has become the biggest hack fest I can think off. It's completely mediocre, ruined by overly merchandise rape. Lucas Arts has done its fair share through the years to pump out run of the mill Star Wars games that sucked. The 70 minute Phantom Menece and Attack of the Clones reviews, on youtube perfectly sums up my feelings about what it has all turned into.
The universe itself is just stupid, and I basically think the old films were ruined when the new ones came out.
And as they have continued to milk it, with Clone Wars and all that other crap. Jedi? Who cares. It's all just pretentious lame and unintersting hacks now. Jedi used to be the coolest thing in the world. I think it's way over-done now. TFU bored me to tears, SWG made it redundant and insignificant, and the new movies destroyed any cool factor they had.
I see that it's link to Star Wars, it's completely zealot hordes of fans that are blinded by some sort of defective defense nostalgia.
So this is just a I-hate-Star-Wars-now thread? Perhaps. But it can not be stated enough, how much of a hack George Lucas and Lucas Arts are.
Of course I will play TOR.. I have to. It's Bioware. Hopefully I will be able to look past it's settingm but god Star Wars is so freaking lame now.
The Matrix sequels were dissapointing, but Star Wars.... Everything about it just screams mediocritiy. I would say that in my dissapointment over medicloriens, stupid anakin skywalker, gungans, jarjar binks, and all the other crap they pulled to ruin the name franchise and universe, that I almost hate it. Ofc, out of dissapointment, but yeah, hate it.
Hate is a strong word, and it's too bad that SWTOR have to suffer from it. I wish I could still enjoy Star Wars. Honestly it's just my loss. I don't win anything by this. I am the one missing out. I am the one being annoyed by something I cant do anything about. I admire people who can just shrug it off and just have fun with the old films and the lore and just still plain love star wars.
Is there any other people out there, who also dislike Star Wars, but choose to play this game for it's promising gameplay and/or the fact that it's Bioware?
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Not I.
I feel that the new movies, although could never live upto the originals, opened the doors for much more depth into the world, nay, universe of star wars.
Anything loses its 'awe factor' when you grow accustomed to seeing it. Same goes for jedi.
Glad you had the chance to vent. Afterall forums are for situations like this. I respect your opinion, however, my favourite era of star wars is not in any film or series.
I played KotoR quite some time ago, and hands down is my favourite game of all time. Mainly due to the twisting and gripping story, but at the same time it opened my eyes to a new star wars. One written by some of the best writers I've ever had the pleasure to hear a story from.
My advice, forget Lucas. Forget his star wars, this is Bioware, and this is Swtor. This is Biowares Star Wars, and this is how its done.
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90%+ Jedi/Sith populations is whats gonna ruin it. It's the death knight spree all over again. Why roll a stormtrooper when you can roll a jedi or sith? And if you roll a Stormy, your gonna reroll the second some idiot lightsabers you in the face.
The prequels have not diminished the quality of the original trilogy in any way, shape, or form. They made three more. They included characters like Jar Jar. Who cares? What’s stopping you from ignoring the new trilogy and enjoying the old? Do you have some sort of seizure every time the scrolling text comes up where you have a fit because Lucas decided to flesh out the characters of a beloved franchise? If 20-30 years in the future they decide to make 3 more Lord of the Rings movies and they are in a similar vein as the prequel trilogy will you turn on Lord of the Rings as well? Will you proclaim that Tolkien or Jackson are hacks and say LoTR is lame?
I don't understand how the, merchandise rape, as you put it has diminished the movies at all either. George Lucas and the people at Lucasfilm/Lucasarts like money. People like Star Wars. Lucas makes Star Wars stuff. People buy Star Wars stuff. Profit. Please point out the travesty that occurs in said equation? The toys and magazines are all high quality stuff. People aren't being ripped off. You're not being forced to walk down that toy isle, to pick up that Luke Skywalker with the removable arm and purchase him. Hell, you don't even have to look at them. And if it weren't for Lucas and co. we wouldn't be getting a Bioware made Star Wars game.
The bottom line is nothing, not the prequels or the tv shows, the lunchboxes or rides at Disney, the toys or the plastic lightsabers, changed the original Star Wars films. The only thing that changed was you.
The star wars universe has been growing boundlessly for more years than most of the readers on this site have been alive. The movies are just a small part. To think that everything that the star wars universe touches is going to appeal to a single person is just ridiculous, there is just to much stuff out there.
I think if you watched all the movies in a row you can see where the director was going with it and if you ease up on the negetive criticism a little bit you can find the joy that the story and universe has given millions of people all around the world. There has to be a best and a worst of everything so in that vein I would certainly say the originals were the best of the bunch although ep.2 and ep.3 are in my all time favorite movies list also.
The old republic games were some of my favorite games also and inspired a lot of people to fall in love with star wars in a whole new way. I really can't wait to explore hidden temples and immerse in a lore that is probably deeper than any other in gaming history. Fingers crossed.
Look at how much work was put into the films in relation to all the other movies at the time and you can see that it isn't just a money machine for them, it's a lifetimes worth of work. Sometimes a project just doesn't come together like you plan it, especially a project that spans several years.
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An uneducated response.
It's been clear for quite sometime now that it's going to be fairly divided. I can guarantee you a trooper will have ways to smash a sith warrior into the dirt.
Your a hero, a commander cody, not a tk 421.
I myself will have one of most characters, and funnily enough the one that im looking forward to most is the trooper lol.
Also, jedi and sith population works quite well when its a jedi vs sith war, funnily enough.
Longing for Skyrim, The Old Republic and Mass Effect 3
The new movies weren't great, that's for sure, I refuse to watch any other movie that has Hayden Christensen as an actor, I'd rather look at a brick for 5 hours (wouldn't make much of a difference either way).
The clone wars franchise has been milked to dead as well, I agree.
But there was a certain magic to the original movies (watched them again recently), and I think the KOTOR games captured that in their own way.
So as TOR is continuing that (all the people who worked on Kotor are working on TOR as well), I'm hoping the game will revive that original magic.
Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!
sure the star wars franchise has been milked for years and is a major cashcow, but i don't see the connection between the latest awefull trilogy and the upcoming bioware mmo...
star wars has an amazing storyline that bioware showed us in kotor, and i will be expecting the same with swtor
i didn't like the phantom menace at all, and the animation series can be considered epic fail, but i have faith in bioware that despite the star wars ip it will be a another great game like mass effect and dragon age but on a whole different scale.. defenitely more epic ;-)
Your entitled to your opinion and I have no problem with what you say, but myself... I enjoy the Star Wars Universe and yea I had some issues with episodes 1-3 ( I wish the dialogue was better) but overall they werent that bad imo. Im looking forward to SW:TOR and I feel bioware was the best possible choice to develop the latest Star Wars MMO, I have no doubt they will bring something great to the table. Oh yea...and the matrix movies were awesome.just my 2 cents
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Not again. Look, if you don't like it then don't play it, but don't come on here trying to upset the fans. Honestly, thats exactly what the first post to this thread is. I don't go onto the WoW forums just to post how much the whole thing sucks even though I really think its the worst game on the market. I don't do it because its polite. Just like I don't go onto the forums of soon-to-be-released games just to say how much the world sucks.
So I'm asking the same of you. How about you be polite and not post about how much to think the whole Star Wars world sucks? Go on the forums that you actually like.
No, this is NOT retaliation, its me asking politely and explaining why, for you to go to the forum of a game you actually like and post there instead of making a post that you know will upset people here.
Just like the 5th MMO you play will never live up to your first MMO, the prequel Star Wars trilogy will never, ever live up to that moment when I saw that scrolling text the first time followed by the Tantive IV and then this massive Death Star filled the screen. There was nothing like it then, and there's never been anything like it since. If Lucas would have had the technology to make those movies first (thus depriving us of a whole lot of mystery regarding Jedi and Sith, which probably would have made the story a little less interesting overall - leaving them mysterious added to the appeal), Star Wars probably would never have been the phenomenon it was. Chewbacca is definitely way cooler than Jar Jar and Princess Leia kicks Padme's ass any day of the week. But the poster who said that if you watch them all in a row, you can definitely see where the director and story is going is right - but Lucas should have hired actors that were all up to the Liam Neeson/Samuel L Jackson/Ewan MacGregor standard. And killed Jar Jar when the droids first got to Naboo.
That being said, Star Wars is big business. I was about 4 when it came out and I still remember it. I played with Star Wars toys growing up and screw Princess Leia, I wanted to be a jedi. Or a bounty hunter, because Boba Fett was cool, man. Now my tastes have changed and I prefer the trooper classes over the lightsaber, but there are an awful lot of folks who still remember wanting to be a jedi as a kid and who are grateful that a game allows them to do that - and I am not going to be the one to begrudge them that or pout and be angry because there are so many jedi in a Star Wars game when Star Wars is about jedi.
TOR will make money. Will it make as much as a Star Wars film? That remains to be seen. Will it do as well or be as good as KOTOR? Again, that remains to be seen. But BioWare's done well on just about every other game they've made that I personally have played, so if I had to put money on it, I'd put my money on BioWare - but not necessarily on Lucas. There's a song that came out a few years back after Revenge of the Sith called "George Lucas Raped My Childhood." It's pretty spot on about how most of us who grew up with Star Wars feel about George Lucas. But I think it may be a little early to judge BioWare's efforts and it's definitely unfair to judge BioWare by what Lucas has done to Star Wars (because cartoon Star Wars that's not in a Dark Horse comic makes me cry inside).
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Yeah, I loved KOTOR too. KOTOR 1 and 2 was better than all the prequels combined. KOTOR was great regardless because the characters were awesome by themselfs. the writing and plot structure.. it was all well done by itself.
I hope SWTOR will be the same.
Also the question about lord of the rings; Yeah, I think it's a major risk that they are doing the hobbit. I wont forgive them if they screw it up. If you make sequels it should be judged as one work. if they screw up the hobbit, then I think lord of the rings will be ruined too, which is ironic, because supposedly the hobbit is a much much better book than the lord of the rings novels.
I cant watch matrix 1 anymore. its one of the best action movies I have ever seen. But I know what happens later. I know the stupid ending, I know the lame explanations for everything. It takes out my enjoyment out of it, and I hate it:(
Honestly the First movies ( 4,5,6) where not that great to begin with. They where above average action movies. Only reason they are considered "great" was because of all the special effects. Basically about the same as what the New movies where (1,2,3).
I disagree.
The first two movies are FAR better than any of the later movies. The Return of the Jedi was sort of "meh".
The writing in the latest movies is atrocious.
This guy does great reviews for the latest movies. They are like seeing your own movie, hilariouis and spot on. Not for everyone's taste though.
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Obviously, you weren't around when they came out. Actually, they were and ARE excellent. Yes, they have stereotypes, and typical archetypes but thats not bad.
Before Star Wars, the movie industry was dying. Out comes Star Wars and it completely reboots the whole industry. It makes people interested again.
I was four the first time I saw it on the big screen, in a drive through no less (don't think any of those even exist anymore) and from the opening credits, everyone in the car was mesmerized. We hadn't seen anything like it before, and haven't seen anything like it since.
I grew up wanting to be a Jedi. Right down to the fact that I even had toy lightsabers (I was very angry when my mother sold them at a garage sale for $5 considering that they were worth about $800 each at the time).
And I'm a girl.
You simply cannot imagine the awe that it inspired in people. Nowadays, such things are a dime a dozen, but back then, nothing had ever touched anyone that way before.
Part of the reason is that they weren't so concerned with special effects. And what they did do, they invented themselves.
The reason the prequels sucked so badly is Lucas was more concerned with special effects than anything else. Not to mention that the man should NOT be a writer because he sucks at it. The reason Empire Strikes Back was so good is because HE didn't write it.
Star Wars was an experience, not just a movie, whether kids now like it or not. Incidentally, I'm not that old, only 33. But I've been around long enough that I saw the beginning of one of the greatest fictional worlds mankind has ever managed to create. One thats stayed with everyone for a very long time and still gains new lovers.
Forum polls, for what they're worth, have consistently shown 55-60% force users. Considering 50% of the classes are force users, that's not a bad number. Also, once peeps realize Jedi/Sith aren't alpha, that number may drop more.
Well, the new movies were pretty bad. Nothing is as bad as Traviss. I didn't care for the NJO books and the later stuff wasn't great either. That said, there's a lot of really good Star Wars books, games, and movies (the original three are awesome -- yes, I like the Eoks). I tend to ignore the bad stuff since it is easy to avoid.
Kindly disagree. They were never about special effects to me, it was much deeper. As someone previously stated, it you weren't around back then, i don't think you could possibly understand.See that's exactly where the new movies failed. The first movies were great because they were dark and gritty and told of a time where evil was at its strongest and good struggled to resist. The big flashy special effects that Lucus seemed to think were so important actually did little but ice the cake. That's why when the prequels came out everyone was disappointed, there were all these special effects, but the characters seemed like stick figure drawings just going through the motions. The heart of the story was replaced by more action sequences, digital animation and explosions. It was like a thin piece of cake with a mountain of frosting.
What a truly excellent way of saying that by comparing it to cake and frosting.
Yeah, I saw them in the theatre when they were first released, and there was something special about the first two. Jedi was mostly awful, really.
The effects certainly added a lot of 'wow' to the movies, but there was heart in the story, as well.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
I agree with this excellent post.
Those reviews are funny as hell.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
I think RotJ was the start of the downfall because GL in his infinte wisdom decided to aim the IP more at kids. Ewoks were really my first WTF? moment with Star Wars, and it went downhill after that. RotJ would have been much better if you replaced Ewoks with, oh, anything not furry or talking like retards.
According to rumour - they were originally going to be Wookiees. That would have been a lot cooler.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Ewoks are pretty cool if you look at them as tactical and strategic geniuses who have put most of their societal resources into military development (seriously, stone age tech WITH air power....that's crazy). I'll grant they don't really cover this much in the movie, but it's a pretty fun viewpoint, imho.
Besides the Ewok song at the end was awesome. Can we at least agree on that?
Hmm, my main problem with RotJ is probably when Luke tosses his Lightsaber away at the end. I mean...shouldn't he at least TRY to defeat the Emperor? I mean, it is all well and good he didn't go over to the Dark Side, but it didn't seem like he needed to toss his life away that blatantly (and I don't think the Emperor defeating him and then using lightning would have changed how Vader would have behaved).
Endor should have been blasted out of space, ALA Alderaan.