Kiddies, calm yourselves! The color-organized, numerically itemized emo posts are hurting my eyes. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, as is the OP and the massive amount of responses to his clearly controversial post.
For me (and so many others), Aion showed a great deal of promise -I was grinding my brains out on Chinese servers months before closed beta was even anounced, and loving every minute of it. After CB, OB, and release, I finally had the revelation that Aion was just too grind heavy and far too linear. Also, the fact that you can sprout wings and FLY, but you cannot swim is just absurd; no, I don't jump into a fantasy game so I can play a dwarf trying to be Michael Phelps and swim all day, but come on. Underwater content is still more content, its an easy way to add additional interaction with the environment, and being told you can "go anywhere" and "oh, erm...but you can't swim" is silly.
These are only a few of the games faults, and diehard fanbois can easily argue that either they aren't that bad or likely to be fixed/improved over time. I think that NCsoft is certainly listening to players and trying to improve a lot of the mechanics to save the game (and their player base); given the scope of the recent patch and it's proximity to release, I'd say an honest effort is being made to improve the game. That being said, I think the major problems run to the core mechanics of the game, and even the most comprehensive patches won't accomplish what only a serious system overall can.
What steps are taken and when still remains to be seen, as well as whether or not those steps will make it so that this game will stand up to newcoming powerhouses like FFXIV and the relentless onslaught of veterans like WoW.
Alas, Aion - here's one hoping she makes it; she's such a pretty girl and I loved her so, but that bitch has some serious issues.
It's as if Aion burned a couple of villages down. So much...undeserved hate when even after a couple of years after launching there are titles that are as buggy and p.o.s. as when I last tried them. Well, less buggy but still the same p.o.s. with fugly characters, armor, animations and uninspired locales.
Back when I played WoW I wished so many times I hadn't found the forums. It's all doom and gloom.
With the fanboys battling the haters still to this day I'd say Aion's here to stay and it has taken its chunk of the market. Like it or not. Its further success will depend entirely the direction it'll take.
So far, the patches are looking good and with feedback (read: demands) can only get better. The company IS listening and that's the most important.
All I want is for the West to be synchronized with the East, regarding content development. It sucks to have to wait months for content after it's out in the East.
1) Its the number 2 mmo in the world already in terms of subscriptions
That certainly doesn't make it the best.
Agree with red...
2) Its making innovations while other mmos stagnate and become repetitive
... like what? Aion is the definition of repetitive gameplay.
So are all MMO's. It's whether or not you enjoy what your repeating that matters.
3) The PvP is the best mmos have to offer (especially rifts)
Darkfall is better for PvP.
Darkfall PvP is very bland, I think. I played for the 7 day trial and it really just seemed like ganking and zerging, shooting spells (which are obtained from GRINDING mats) over and over and twisting around trying to melee people for no particular goal in sight. I'm not saying Aion is better in terms of ganking/zerging, but stop being a Darkfall fanboi ffs.
Darkfall PvP has a point that doesn't revolve around a gear grind, and its actually twitch based and requires some FPS skills instead of tab/target.
Blue time? Sure, it's twitch based, but the core of the gameplay is a political asshatness for gaining the most ground and grinding grinding grinding max HP and attributes. Great,
4) Unmatched character customization
I'll give you this one, although lots of games are actually just as good or better (CO, STO, etc)
"Lots of games, CO, STO"
Wow buddy, that sure was alot of games. Oh, did you mean the etc counted because you saw that other posters mentioned it and tried to make their argument stronger?
ABP is also significantly better. THe AAA gaming market isn't exactly huge. He said it was the "unmatched", its not. Don't need to make a stronger arugment than that.
5) Excellent game design and mechanics (gliding, pvp, rifting ect.)
The combat system is bogged down by animation mechanics, the gliding mechanics are terrible, the flight mechanics don't work for shit in combat w/ z axis problems. Lots of other crap design elements too.
What axis is the w axis, exactly? I only know of x, y, and z. How can the gliding mechanics be terrible when all you do glide? There are no mechanics behind it besides moving. The flight mechanics work just fine, you might have a problem with the duration, which is a valid argument. What isn't valid is "Lots of other crap design elements too." Now you're just throwing crap out there to strengthen your argument. List these or don't make a retarded statement.
Ok, let me break down shorthand for the retarded illiterate jackasses of the forum. " w/ z axis problems" means "with z axis problems." Your not really that stupid are you? Oh... you are.
If you've ever played a melee class, you'd know exactly how trash the air combat system is in recognizing z axis ranges... and you'd know how the animation system of the game trips over itself
Other crap design elements
1) the way Abyss PvP shits all over lower level players and promotes ganking people who have zero chance of fighting back.
2)The way the character progression ends up having every being near mirror copies of eachother.
3) the way siege rewards don't adequately give incinitive for people to defend
4) the looting system and absymall drop rates that make you want to slit your wrists
I could sit here and name more, but the "etc" was put in initially because there was more than I wanted to be bothered listing in the first place.
Happy?
Sorry, shorthand notations when you have plenty of time to think out a reponse (unless it's a MMO) and form it the way you want, compiled with a axis, threw me a curveball. Sure, the animation system is annoying, but that's the animation system, not flight.
6) Beautiful environments
LotrO and AoC are better.
When you're not zoning in AoC. Pretty much complete opinion on this one.
Nah, AoC just has straight up prettier environments. And LotrO just destroy it altogether. If he had said something to the effect of character avatars and itemization graphics being the best... i'd agree with him. Aion has really low textures on its environments though. It looks good, not amazing.
AoC also limited itself by creating these gorgeous enviroments. I don't know about LotrO though, the fantasy I just don't care for, but again, that's all opinion.
7) Always something to work for and improve upon
WoW is better and doesn't make you want to slit your wrists in the process.
Good argument. Completely and utterly flawless... You're stupid.
WoW gives you a dozen different ways of improving. Aion gives you one. Being called stupid by a retard isn't going to hurt my feelings.
I guess I just don't see where you're only getting one way. Just different mindsets?
8) Scales well for lower end computers
sure
Boring, nothing to flame here.
9) Rewards hard work and dedication
rewards unemployement and no life
As does any MMO if you don't play within moderation. You apparently play Darkfall, that additionally rewards you with being a genuine asshole to anyone that doesn't agree with you, as well as a huge fanboi of shitty games. Congratulations!
I don't play Darkfall. I don't have the time the game require, and would levvy the same accusation against it. I still think Darkfall is a much better PvP game for a variety of reasons related to the mechanics and social politics of the game I won't go into detail on. Pretty funny how hard your trying to latch on that fanboi tit though... when all other arguments fail eh?
The mechanics of Darkfall revolve around grinding to the max attributes/HP. Trust me, all the clan I joined talked about was getting to that point. That's all the people complain about now that Adventurine made it easier. The social politics? All that is is the scum of society calling each other "fuckers" over an unmoderated forum and chat system.
Any MMO has as much potential as anyone else. Understand the word "potential". "The inherent ability or capacity for growth, development, or coming into being." ANY MMO at any state, EQ, DAoC, WAR, AoC, has the potential to do anything, it's not limited by pick and choose. Number 10 was kind of a stupid argument, but the top 10 reasons for anyone playing any game, MMO or not, differ because of personal opinion.
If you want to talk about potential, talk about a game like Eve. That's a game with vast potential, both realized and unrealized. I don't play that game either btw, before you try latching on to that fanboi tit again.
Whoosh? Read what I said. Any and every game has the same potential as every other game.
Bring a bigger gun next time, your wasting my time.
All I want is for the West to be synchronized with the East, regarding content development. It sucks to have to wait months for content after it's out in the East.
I don't even play the game and that would piss me off.
1) Its the number 2 mmo in the world already in terms of subscriptions
That certainly doesn't make it the best.
Agree with red...
2) Its making innovations while other mmos stagnate and become repetitive
... like what? Aion is the definition of repetitive gameplay.
So are all MMO's. It's whether or not you enjoy what your repeating that matters.
3) The PvP is the best mmos have to offer (especially rifts)
Darkfall is better for PvP.
Darkfall PvP is very bland, I think. I played for the 7 day trial and it really just seemed like ganking and zerging, shooting spells (which are obtained from GRINDING mats) over and over and twisting around trying to melee people for no particular goal in sight. I'm not saying Aion is better in terms of ganking/zerging, but stop being a Darkfall fanboi ffs.
Darkfall PvP has a point that doesn't revolve around a gear grind, and its actually twitch based and requires some FPS skills instead of tab/target.
Blue time? Sure, it's twitch based, but the core of the gameplay is a political asshatness for gaining the most ground and grinding grinding grinding max HP and attributes. Great,
Pink. It's over bitches.
How's that any different than grinding grinding grinding gear. The actual owning and building of clan cities puts it over the top. The territorial wars aspect of it is far more interesting... plus you got the whole diplomacy scenario with bartering with allies/mercenaries/ etc etc. It's just more interesting hands down that straight RvR.
4) Unmatched character customization
I'll give you this one, although lots of games are actually just as good or better (CO, STO, etc)
"Lots of games, CO, STO"
Wow buddy, that sure was alot of games. Oh, did you mean the etc counted because you saw that other posters mentioned it and tried to make their argument stronger?
ABP is also significantly better. THe AAA gaming market isn't exactly huge. He said it was the "unmatched", its not. Don't need to make a stronger arugment than that.
5) Excellent game design and mechanics (gliding, pvp, rifting ect.)
The combat system is bogged down by animation mechanics, the gliding mechanics are terrible, the flight mechanics don't work for shit in combat w/ z axis problems. Lots of other crap design elements too.
What axis is the w axis, exactly? I only know of x, y, and z. How can the gliding mechanics be terrible when all you do glide? There are no mechanics behind it besides moving. The flight mechanics work just fine, you might have a problem with the duration, which is a valid argument. What isn't valid is "Lots of other crap design elements too." Now you're just throwing crap out there to strengthen your argument. List these or don't make a retarded statement.
Ok, let me break down shorthand for the retarded illiterate jackasses of the forum. " w/ z axis problems" means "with z axis problems." Your not really that stupid are you? Oh... you are.
If you've ever played a melee class, you'd know exactly how trash the air combat system is in recognizing z axis ranges... and you'd know how the animation system of the game trips over itself
Other crap design elements
1) the way Abyss PvP shits all over lower level players and promotes ganking people who have zero chance of fighting back.
2)The way the character progression ends up having every being near mirror copies of eachother.
3) the way siege rewards don't adequately give incinitive for people to defend
4) the looting system and absymall drop rates that make you want to slit your wrists
I could sit here and name more, but the "etc" was put in initially because there was more than I wanted to be bothered listing in the first place.
Happy?
Sorry, shorthand notations when you have plenty of time to think out a reponse (unless it's a MMO) and form it the way you want, compiled with a axis, threw me a curveball. Sure, the animation system is annoying, but that's the animation system, not flight.
Except the flight system is directly tied in with the combat system, one of the main selling points of Abyss combat.. Plus it still stands as a separate point all together.
6) Beautiful environments
LotrO and AoC are better.
When you're not zoning in AoC. Pretty much complete opinion on this one.
Nah, AoC just has straight up prettier environments. And LotrO just destroy it altogether. If he had said something to the effect of character avatars and itemization graphics being the best... i'd agree with him. Aion has really low textures on its environments though. It looks good, not amazing.
AoC also limited itself by creating these gorgeous enviroments. I don't know about LotrO though, the fantasy I just don't care for, but again, that's all opinion.
Every game limits itself. Aion limits itself by having really nice avatar and itemization graphics. If they scaled those graphics down then siege warfare performance would improve. It's all a matter of preference and "how much". Having said that, AoC is a better looking game... which was the point.
7) Always something to work for and improve upon
WoW is better and doesn't make you want to slit your wrists in the process.
Good argument. Completely and utterly flawless... You're stupid.
WoW gives you a dozen different ways of improving. Aion gives you one. Being called stupid by a retard isn't going to hurt my feelings.
I guess I just don't see where you're only getting one way. Just different mindsets?
8) Scales well for lower end computers
sure
Boring, nothing to flame here.
9) Rewards hard work and dedication
rewards unemployement and no life
As does any MMO if you don't play within moderation. You apparently play Darkfall, that additionally rewards you with being a genuine asshole to anyone that doesn't agree with you, as well as a huge fanboi of shitty games. Congratulations!
I don't play Darkfall. I don't have the time the game require, and would levvy the same accusation against it. I still think Darkfall is a much better PvP game for a variety of reasons related to the mechanics and social politics of the game I won't go into detail on. Pretty funny how hard your trying to latch on that fanboi tit though... when all other arguments fail eh?
The mechanics of Darkfall revolve around grinding to the max attributes/HP. Trust me, all the clan I joined talked about was getting to that point. That's all the people complain about now that Adventurine made it easier. The social politics? All that is is the scum of society calling each other "fuckers" over an unmoderated forum and chat system.
I didn't disagree with you.. But there are aspects that apply to Darkfall that don't really apply to Aion... simply because its an FFA PvP full loot game and the territorial combat and city building(or in Aion's case the lack of) are more fleshed out.
To me Darkfall is an insufferable grind with a point(to defend/expand your territory and pillage your enemies), and Aion is just an insufferable grind(for gear).
Any MMO has as much potential as anyone else. Understand the word "potential". "The inherent ability or capacity for growth, development, or coming into being." ANY MMO at any state, EQ, DAoC, WAR, AoC, has the potential to do anything, it's not limited by pick and choose. Number 10 was kind of a stupid argument, but the top 10 reasons for anyone playing any game, MMO or not, differ because of personal opinion.
If you want to talk about potential, talk about a game like Eve. That's a game with vast potential, both realized and unrealized. I don't play that game either btw, before you try latching on to that fanboi tit again.
Whoosh? Read what I said. Any and every game has the same potential as every other game.
Yeah, I read what you said. You were making a argument that had no merit other than being ultimately unarguable, bravo. It's kinda like aruging that God exists because you can't disprove that he doesn't exist... pretty worthless imo. The reality of what Aion is and the potential it has a realistic chance of becoming is very limited compared to a game like Eve.
Simply consider all the avenues that Eve consists of.... trading, production, exploration, merc work, pirating, hauling, mining, factional warfare, corporate expansionism, corporate warefare, territorial control, territorial constructure/improvement,, plus all the new stuff thats coming out with the planetary stuff and the new FPS shooter tie-ins.
Your making broad generalizations that ultimately are worthless and unrealistic. I'm just keeping it real by saying Aion's potential is realistically limited compared to other games.
Bring a bigger gun next time, your wasting my time.
pffft ok the OP had 15 posts. Then the ONLY ONLY other post was "LOL BUMP"
You guys feel for this so fast. ... the OP got you guys GOOD! He was just late.. April 1 is gone..
Well, despite the OPs orignal intention, it seems that other people do want to talk about this game, how bad it is, and how let down they feel about it. If starting a thread that others want to participate in is now considered a 'joke' then you can consider any thread here as a joke.
Which, truth be told, many do.
That aside, despite your gloating your obviously no smarter then anyone else here... You seem to think that the fact that people want to post their views they don't 'get it'. It is obvious that that they do, to anyone who dosent need to think everyone but themselves is stupid, but the thread suits their needs as well as the troll OPs, so they just go with it.
Same with 99% of the junk that is posted on these forums in other words.
1) Its the number 2 mmo in the world already in terms of subscriptions
That certainly doesn't make it the best.
Agree with red...
2) Its making innovations while other mmos stagnate and become repetitive
... like what? Aion is the definition of repetitive gameplay.
So are all MMO's. It's whether or not you enjoy what your repeating that matters.
3) The PvP is the best mmos have to offer (especially rifts)
Darkfall is better for PvP.
Darkfall PvP is very bland, I think. I played for the 7 day trial and it really just seemed like ganking and zerging, shooting spells (which are obtained from GRINDING mats) over and over and twisting around trying to melee people for no particular goal in sight. I'm not saying Aion is better in terms of ganking/zerging, but stop being a Darkfall fanboi ffs.
Darkfall PvP has a point that doesn't revolve around a gear grind, and its actually twitch based and requires some FPS skills instead of tab/target.
Blue time? Sure, it's twitch based, but the core of the gameplay is a political asshatness for gaining the most ground and grinding grinding grinding max HP and attributes. Great,
Pink. It's over bitches.
How's that any different than grinding grinding grinding gear. The actual owning and building of clan cities puts it over the top. The territorial wars aspect of it is far more interesting... plus you got the whole diplomacy scenario with bartering with allies/mercenaries/ etc etc. It's just more interesting hands down that straight RvR.
4) Unmatched character customization
I'll give you this one, although lots of games are actually just as good or better (CO, STO, etc)
"Lots of games, CO, STO"
Wow buddy, that sure was alot of games. Oh, did you mean the etc counted because you saw that other posters mentioned it and tried to make their argument stronger?
ABP is also significantly better. THe AAA gaming market isn't exactly huge. He said it was the "unmatched", its not. Don't need to make a stronger arugment than that.
5) Excellent game design and mechanics (gliding, pvp, rifting ect.)
The combat system is bogged down by animation mechanics, the gliding mechanics are terrible, the flight mechanics don't work for shit in combat w/ z axis problems. Lots of other crap design elements too.
What axis is the w axis, exactly? I only know of x, y, and z. How can the gliding mechanics be terrible when all you do glide? There are no mechanics behind it besides moving. The flight mechanics work just fine, you might have a problem with the duration, which is a valid argument. What isn't valid is "Lots of other crap design elements too." Now you're just throwing crap out there to strengthen your argument. List these or don't make a retarded statement.
Ok, let me break down shorthand for the retarded illiterate jackasses of the forum. " w/ z axis problems" means "with z axis problems." Your not really that stupid are you? Oh... you are.
If you've ever played a melee class, you'd know exactly how trash the air combat system is in recognizing z axis ranges... and you'd know how the animation system of the game trips over itself
Other crap design elements
1) the way Abyss PvP shits all over lower level players and promotes ganking people who have zero chance of fighting back.
2)The way the character progression ends up having every being near mirror copies of eachother.
3) the way siege rewards don't adequately give incinitive for people to defend
4) the looting system and absymall drop rates that make you want to slit your wrists
I could sit here and name more, but the "etc" was put in initially because there was more than I wanted to be bothered listing in the first place.
Happy?
Sorry, shorthand notations when you have plenty of time to think out a reponse (unless it's a MMO) and form it the way you want, compiled with a axis, threw me a curveball. Sure, the animation system is annoying, but that's the animation system, not flight.
Except the flight system is directly tied in with the combat system, one of the main selling points of Abyss combat.. Plus it still stands as a separate point all together.
6) Beautiful environments
LotrO and AoC are better.
When you're not zoning in AoC. Pretty much complete opinion on this one.
Nah, AoC just has straight up prettier environments. And LotrO just destroy it altogether. If he had said something to the effect of character avatars and itemization graphics being the best... i'd agree with him. Aion has really low textures on its environments though. It looks good, not amazing.
AoC also limited itself by creating these gorgeous enviroments. I don't know about LotrO though, the fantasy I just don't care for, but again, that's all opinion.
Every game limits itself. Aion limits itself by having really nice avatar and itemization graphics. If they scaled those graphics down then siege warfare performance would improve. It's all a matter of preference and "how much". Having said that, AoC is a better looking game... which was the point.
7) Always something to work for and improve upon
WoW is better and doesn't make you want to slit your wrists in the process.
Good argument. Completely and utterly flawless... You're stupid.
WoW gives you a dozen different ways of improving. Aion gives you one. Being called stupid by a retard isn't going to hurt my feelings.
I guess I just don't see where you're only getting one way. Just different mindsets?
8) Scales well for lower end computers
sure
Boring, nothing to flame here.
9) Rewards hard work and dedication
rewards unemployement and no life
As does any MMO if you don't play within moderation. You apparently play Darkfall, that additionally rewards you with being a genuine asshole to anyone that doesn't agree with you, as well as a huge fanboi of shitty games. Congratulations!
I don't play Darkfall. I don't have the time the game require, and would levvy the same accusation against it. I still think Darkfall is a much better PvP game for a variety of reasons related to the mechanics and social politics of the game I won't go into detail on. Pretty funny how hard your trying to latch on that fanboi tit though... when all other arguments fail eh?
The mechanics of Darkfall revolve around grinding to the max attributes/HP. Trust me, all the clan I joined talked about was getting to that point. That's all the people complain about now that Adventurine made it easier. The social politics? All that is is the scum of society calling each other "fuckers" over an unmoderated forum and chat system.
I didn't disagree with you.. But there are aspects that apply to Darkfall that don't really apply to Aion... simply because its an FFA PvP full loot game and the territorial combat and city building(or in Aion's case the lack of) are more fleshed out.
To me Darkfall is an insufferable grind with a point(to defend/expand your territory and pillage your enemies), and Aion is just an insufferable grind(for gear).
Any MMO has as much potential as anyone else. Understand the word "potential". "The inherent ability or capacity for growth, development, or coming into being." ANY MMO at any state, EQ, DAoC, WAR, AoC, has the potential to do anything, it's not limited by pick and choose. Number 10 was kind of a stupid argument, but the top 10 reasons for anyone playing any game, MMO or not, differ because of personal opinion.
If you want to talk about potential, talk about a game like Eve. That's a game with vast potential, both realized and unrealized. I don't play that game either btw, before you try latching on to that fanboi tit again.
Whoosh? Read what I said. Any and every game has the same potential as every other game.
Yeah, I read what you said. You were making a argument that had no merit other than being ultimately unarguable, bravo. It's kinda like aruging that God exists because you can't disprove that he doesn't exist... pretty worthless imo. The reality of what Aion is and the potential it has a realistic chance of becoming is very limited compared to a game like Eve.
Simply consider all the avenues that Eve consists of.... trading, production, exploration, merc work, pirating, hauling, mining, factional warfare, corporate expansionism, corporate warefare, territorial control, territorial constructure/improvement,, plus all the new stuff thats coming out with the planetary stuff and the new FPS shooter tie-ins.
Your making broad generalizations that ultimately are worthless and unrealistic. I'm just keeping it real by saying Aion's potential is realistically limited compared to other games.
Bring a bigger gun next time, your wasting my time.
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This has to be the most fugly post I have ever seen here on these forums.
it surely needs to be re quoted for that reason alone.
1) Its the number 2 mmo in the world already in terms of subscriptions.
It is very popular for good reasons, but for me, the late-game sucks. I came to a complete halt, as i did when i played AoC, where the post-mid-game was nothing more than mindless and meaningless player conflict without anything substanitally realizable that is game-changing or encouraging. Like GuildWars and WAR, its quite a bit of unilateral stagnant flavoring without any dynamic lasting nutrition.
2) Its making innovations while other mmos stagnate and become repetitive.
Well, hell. If one doesnt think this game is as repetitive as any other mmo, then somethings wrong. And aside from limited 'flight', whats so innovative about this game?
1) Its the number 2 mmo in the world already in terms of subscriptions
Cant argue with sub numbers but most of them are from asia. Most of the servers we play on are low pop.
2) Its making innovations while other mmos stagnate and become repetitive
Innovation? Can't think of anything new that aion did except maybe for flying but considering it's so broken that it's impossible to fight in the air as melee i wouldnt really put flying as a good thing for aion.
3) The PvP is the best mmos have to offer (especially rifts). Also nice zerg pvp if your comp can take it
Yea rift are kind of fun but since many server are low pop you can enter a rift and roam around for hours without seeing a member of the opposing faction except some bots. Killing bots might be fun but its not good pvp. The abyss is also pretty empty except on fort siege then it's an unplayable lagfest.
4) Unmatched character customization
Some games do offer more customization but aion does have the best looking character ever. The cosmetic aspect is great the skill customization is rather pretty shitty. Inspect 1 decent sorc and you will see what almost every sorc is specc like. The same goes for every other class. The only reason some have different stigma is that they can't afford to buy the good stigma.
5) Excellent game design and mechanics (gliding, pvp, rifting ect.)
Grinding, grinding grinding everything in this game is grind oriented.
6) Beautiful environments
Not really, enviroments all look deserted and empty if only environements would look half of what characters look like.
7) Always something to work for and improve upon
LOL. Level to 50, get miragent/fenris and sadly there is nothing more to do in the game.
8) Scales well for lower end computers
LOL. Top end machines gets the same issues a low end computer has.
9) Rewards hard work and dedication
LOL. Rewards hard work and dedication??? Nope... rewards luck and only luck. Someone has to grind and play a crap load to be able to craft the miragent pants and it has a high chance to fail. Some people get it on the first try while other takes 5-6 times maybe more. Are the pants that took 6 times to make better than the guy who got lucky and got it on first try better? No. All you need to succeed in aion is luck. How good you are or how much you play won't ever reward you anything.
10) Has more potential than any other mmo
HAD more potential than any other MMO. aion could've been great but it isnt, broken flight mechanics, broken combat mechanics, very little content, way too much grind, major class imbalance, game performance issues and to top it all most of the issues i listed are not getting adressed in any ways in upcoming patch/update. There are other problems with aion but they are supposed to be adressed with patch 1.9 or 2.0 i have doubts they will be fixed but since i still want to like aion i wont list them.
To me Aion was the biggest dissapointment of my gaming life. I REALLY tried to like Aion... I really did... but after the first month I just couldnt keep lying to myself. This game is horrible.
To me Aion was the biggest dissapointment of my gaming life. I REALLY tried to like Aion... I really did... but after the first month I just couldnt keep lying to myself. This game is horrible.
try playing again, for all the people that Gave up in the first month, EVERY GAME that EVER comes out will Have game bugs within the first month.
The reason for this is because no Game can Beta test the Huge influx of players of the first month, they scale it up, if they server can hold X players with X server whatever then they should be able to hold BLAH BLAH BLAH
Any ways < Gold spammers. < bots
try the game again its alot less laggy and 1.9 and 2.0 are coming out soon, i mean 2.0 itself has 38 pages of patch notes, do the math
try playing again, for all the people that Gave up in the first month, EVERY GAME that EVER comes out will Have game bugs within the first month.
The reason for this is because no Game can Beta test the Huge influx of players of the first month, they scale it up, if they server can hold X players with X server whatever then they should be able to hold BLAH BLAH BLAH
Any ways < Gold spammers. < bots
try the game again its alot less laggy and 1.9 and 2.0 are coming out soon, i mean 2.0 itself has 38 pages of patch notes, do the math
1) Its the number 2 mmo in the world already in terms of subscriptions
That certainly doesn't make it the best.
Agree with red...
2) Its making innovations while other mmos stagnate and become repetitive
... like what? Aion is the definition of repetitive gameplay.
So are all MMO's. It's whether or not you enjoy what your repeating that matters.
3) The PvP is the best mmos have to offer (especially rifts)
Darkfall is better for PvP.
Darkfall PvP is very bland, I think. I played for the 7 day trial and it really just seemed like ganking and zerging, shooting spells (which are obtained from GRINDING mats) over and over and twisting around trying to melee people for no particular goal in sight. I'm not saying Aion is better in terms of ganking/zerging, but stop being a Darkfall fanboi ffs.
Darkfall PvP has a point that doesn't revolve around a gear grind, and its actually twitch based and requires some FPS skills instead of tab/target.
Blue time? Sure, it's twitch based, but the core of the gameplay is a political asshatness for gaining the most ground and grinding grinding grinding max HP and attributes. Great,
Pink. It's over bitches.
How's that any different than grinding grinding grinding gear. The actual owning and building of clan cities puts it over the top. The territorial wars aspect of it is far more interesting... plus you got the whole diplomacy scenario with bartering with allies/mercenaries/ etc etc. It's just more interesting hands down that straight RvR.
4) Unmatched character customization
I'll give you this one, although lots of games are actually just as good or better (CO, STO, etc)
"Lots of games, CO, STO"
Wow buddy, that sure was alot of games. Oh, did you mean the etc counted because you saw that other posters mentioned it and tried to make their argument stronger?
ABP is also significantly better. THe AAA gaming market isn't exactly huge. He said it was the "unmatched", its not. Don't need to make a stronger arugment than that.
5) Excellent game design and mechanics (gliding, pvp, rifting ect.)
The combat system is bogged down by animation mechanics, the gliding mechanics are terrible, the flight mechanics don't work for shit in combat w/ z axis problems. Lots of other crap design elements too.
What axis is the w axis, exactly? I only know of x, y, and z. How can the gliding mechanics be terrible when all you do glide? There are no mechanics behind it besides moving. The flight mechanics work just fine, you might have a problem with the duration, which is a valid argument. What isn't valid is "Lots of other crap design elements too." Now you're just throwing crap out there to strengthen your argument. List these or don't make a retarded statement.
Ok, let me break down shorthand for the retarded illiterate jackasses of the forum. " w/ z axis problems" means "with z axis problems." Your not really that stupid are you? Oh... you are.
If you've ever played a melee class, you'd know exactly how trash the air combat system is in recognizing z axis ranges... and you'd know how the animation system of the game trips over itself
Other crap design elements
1) the way Abyss PvP shits all over lower level players and promotes ganking people who have zero chance of fighting back.
2)The way the character progression ends up having every being near mirror copies of eachother.
3) the way siege rewards don't adequately give incinitive for people to defend
4) the looting system and absymall drop rates that make you want to slit your wrists
I could sit here and name more, but the "etc" was put in initially because there was more than I wanted to be bothered listing in the first place.
Happy?
Sorry, shorthand notations when you have plenty of time to think out a reponse (unless it's a MMO) and form it the way you want, compiled with a axis, threw me a curveball. Sure, the animation system is annoying, but that's the animation system, not flight.
Except the flight system is directly tied in with the combat system, one of the main selling points of Abyss combat.. Plus it still stands as a separate point all together.
6) Beautiful environments
LotrO and AoC are better.
When you're not zoning in AoC. Pretty much complete opinion on this one.
Nah, AoC just has straight up prettier environments. And LotrO just destroy it altogether. If he had said something to the effect of character avatars and itemization graphics being the best... i'd agree with him. Aion has really low textures on its environments though. It looks good, not amazing.
AoC also limited itself by creating these gorgeous enviroments. I don't know about LotrO though, the fantasy I just don't care for, but again, that's all opinion.
Every game limits itself. Aion limits itself by having really nice avatar and itemization graphics. If they scaled those graphics down then siege warfare performance would improve. It's all a matter of preference and "how much". Having said that, AoC is a better looking game... which was the point.
7) Always something to work for and improve upon
WoW is better and doesn't make you want to slit your wrists in the process.
Good argument. Completely and utterly flawless... You're stupid.
WoW gives you a dozen different ways of improving. Aion gives you one. Being called stupid by a retard isn't going to hurt my feelings.
I guess I just don't see where you're only getting one way. Just different mindsets?
8) Scales well for lower end computers
sure
Boring, nothing to flame here.
9) Rewards hard work and dedication
rewards unemployement and no life
As does any MMO if you don't play within moderation. You apparently play Darkfall, that additionally rewards you with being a genuine asshole to anyone that doesn't agree with you, as well as a huge fanboi of shitty games. Congratulations!
I don't play Darkfall. I don't have the time the game require, and would levvy the same accusation against it. I still think Darkfall is a much better PvP game for a variety of reasons related to the mechanics and social politics of the game I won't go into detail on. Pretty funny how hard your trying to latch on that fanboi tit though... when all other arguments fail eh?
The mechanics of Darkfall revolve around grinding to the max attributes/HP. Trust me, all the clan I joined talked about was getting to that point. That's all the people complain about now that Adventurine made it easier. The social politics? All that is is the scum of society calling each other "fuckers" over an unmoderated forum and chat system.
I didn't disagree with you.. But there are aspects that apply to Darkfall that don't really apply to Aion... simply because its an FFA PvP full loot game and the territorial combat and city building(or in Aion's case the lack of) are more fleshed out.
To me Darkfall is an insufferable grind with a point(to defend/expand your territory and pillage your enemies), and Aion is just an insufferable grind(for gear).
Any MMO has as much potential as anyone else. Understand the word "potential". "The inherent ability or capacity for growth, development, or coming into being." ANY MMO at any state, EQ, DAoC, WAR, AoC, has the potential to do anything, it's not limited by pick and choose. Number 10 was kind of a stupid argument, but the top 10 reasons for anyone playing any game, MMO or not, differ because of personal opinion.
If you want to talk about potential, talk about a game like Eve. That's a game with vast potential, both realized and unrealized. I don't play that game either btw, before you try latching on to that fanboi tit again.
Whoosh? Read what I said. Any and every game has the same potential as every other game.
Yeah, I read what you said. You were making a argument that had no merit other than being ultimately unarguable, bravo. It's kinda like aruging that God exists because you can't disprove that he doesn't exist... pretty worthless imo. The reality of what Aion is and the potential it has a realistic chance of becoming is very limited compared to a game like Eve.
Simply consider all the avenues that Eve consists of.... trading, production, exploration, merc work, pirating, hauling, mining, factional warfare, corporate expansionism, corporate warefare, territorial control, territorial constructure/improvement,, plus all the new stuff thats coming out with the planetary stuff and the new FPS shooter tie-ins.
Your making broad generalizations that ultimately are worthless and unrealistic. I'm just keeping it real by saying Aion's potential is realistically limited compared to other games.
Bring a bigger gun next time, your wasting my time.
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This has to be the most fugly post I have ever seen here on these forums.
it surely needs to be re quoted for that reason alone.
OP - Before trying to sell a product learn about the competition. The level of ignorance about the MMO genre your post demonstrates either says that you are completely unaware of the depth of some other games out there, arent even aware that they exist, or are trying to scam people.
In short, your post was rather shameful. Please in the future take some time to learn about the genre before you attempt to become a pitch man for it.
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Kiddies, calm yourselves! The color-organized, numerically itemized emo posts are hurting my eyes. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, as is the OP and the massive amount of responses to his clearly controversial post.
For me (and so many others), Aion showed a great deal of promise -I was grinding my brains out on Chinese servers months before closed beta was even anounced, and loving every minute of it. After CB, OB, and release, I finally had the revelation that Aion was just too grind heavy and far too linear. Also, the fact that you can sprout wings and FLY, but you cannot swim is just absurd; no, I don't jump into a fantasy game so I can play a dwarf trying to be Michael Phelps and swim all day, but come on. Underwater content is still more content, its an easy way to add additional interaction with the environment, and being told you can "go anywhere" and "oh, erm...but you can't swim" is silly.
These are only a few of the games faults, and diehard fanbois can easily argue that either they aren't that bad or likely to be fixed/improved over time. I think that NCsoft is certainly listening to players and trying to improve a lot of the mechanics to save the game (and their player base); given the scope of the recent patch and it's proximity to release, I'd say an honest effort is being made to improve the game. That being said, I think the major problems run to the core mechanics of the game, and even the most comprehensive patches won't accomplish what only a serious system overall can.
What steps are taken and when still remains to be seen, as well as whether or not those steps will make it so that this game will stand up to newcoming powerhouses like FFXIV and the relentless onslaught of veterans like WoW.
Alas, Aion - here's one hoping she makes it; she's such a pretty girl and I loved her so, but that bitch has some serious issues.
pffft ok the OP had 15 posts. Then the ONLY ONLY other post was "LOL BUMP"
You guys feel for this so fast. ... the OP got you guys GOOD! He was just late.. April 1 is gone..
It's as if Aion burned a couple of villages down. So much...undeserved hate when even after a couple of years after launching there are titles that are as buggy and p.o.s. as when I last tried them. Well, less buggy but still the same p.o.s. with fugly characters, armor, animations and uninspired locales.
Back when I played WoW I wished so many times I hadn't found the forums. It's all doom and gloom.
With the fanboys battling the haters still to this day I'd say Aion's here to stay and it has taken its chunk of the market. Like it or not. Its further success will depend entirely the direction it'll take.
So far, the patches are looking good and with feedback (read: demands) can only get better. The company IS listening and that's the most important.
All I want is for the West to be synchronized with the East, regarding content development. It sucks to have to wait months for content after it's out in the East.
He who keeps his cool best wins.
He who keeps his cool best wins.
Well, despite the OPs orignal intention, it seems that other people do want to talk about this game, how bad it is, and how let down they feel about it. If starting a thread that others want to participate in is now considered a 'joke' then you can consider any thread here as a joke.
Which, truth be told, many do.
That aside, despite your gloating your obviously no smarter then anyone else here... You seem to think that the fact that people want to post their views they don't 'get it'. It is obvious that that they do, to anyone who dosent need to think everyone but themselves is stupid, but the thread suits their needs as well as the troll OPs, so they just go with it.
Same with 99% of the junk that is posted on these forums in other words.
This has to be the most fugly post I have ever seen here on these forums.
it surely needs to be re quoted for that reason alone.
if its the best mmo out today u wouldnt need to have double xp all the time would u?.
To me Aion was the biggest dissapointment of my gaming life. I REALLY tried to like Aion... I really did... but after the first month I just couldnt keep lying to myself. This game is horrible.
try playing again, for all the people that Gave up in the first month, EVERY GAME that EVER comes out will Have game bugs within the first month.
The reason for this is because no Game can Beta test the Huge influx of players of the first month, they scale it up, if they server can hold X players with X server whatever then they should be able to hold BLAH BLAH BLAH
Any ways < Gold spammers. < bots
try the game again its alot less laggy and 1.9 and 2.0 are coming out soon, i mean 2.0 itself has 38 pages of patch notes, do the math
bugs/lag were never the problem
Agrees indeed! Rofl rofl rofl :P
OP - Before trying to sell a product learn about the competition. The level of ignorance about the MMO genre your post demonstrates either says that you are completely unaware of the depth of some other games out there, arent even aware that they exist, or are trying to scam people.
In short, your post was rather shameful. Please in the future take some time to learn about the genre before you attempt to become a pitch man for it.
Thank you.
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