Oh, yeah, most likely, but I'm saying, the argument was misunderstood. That's what the OP is talking about.
But they should take into account that for a game like FF14 that is going to be very social and whatnot, it should be at least considered.
Do you really think that FFXIV is going to be a casual, social experience?
That is the most retarded thing I've read all day browsing FFXIV forums...
Seriously.
So it's going to be completely different form FF11 then?
That's not what I've gotten from all the information.
You think FFXI is a casual, social experience?
Do you think FFXI ran on 5-year-old computers at launch?
heh.
Back then, FFXI could be run on a mid range computer with the graphics chucked down. And yes I do think that. Especially with it's emphasis on grouping and friendships. I'm not saying it's easy, mind you. 5 year old computers back then had 1/12 the processing power of a computer made in that year. Moore's law was in full swing and computer were increasing in speed and performance faster than ever. Now, not so much. Sure it's happening, just not as quickly.
Oh, yeah, most likely, but I'm saying, the argument was misunderstood. That's what the OP is talking about.
But they should take into account that for a game like FF14 that is going to be very social and whatnot, it should be at least considered.
Do you really think that FFXIV is going to be a casual, social experience?
That is the most retarded thing I've read all day browsing FFXIV forums...
Seriously.
Social? Definitely! Reputation goes a long way in FFXI and I expect the same in XIV (especially since most people will stick with 1 toon to save $3 a month). FFXI was always a very social game.
Casual? That depends on your point of view. XI was pretty hardcore and not solo friendly post lvl 20 at all (at least when I played). I don't expect that lvl from XIV, and they have stated as much as well. But I still think a more casual FFXIV will be a bit more hardcore and slow progressing than the pace most players of other MMO's are used to.
Well when I said casual, I meant in social aspects. xP
Oh god that game was not easy peasy. I know that.
xD
Oh god do I know that.
Ditto.. I can't wait to lose a fight to a bunny like a noob while I'm walking around in full armor and a shield.
"If I'd asked my customers what they wanted, they'd have said a faster horse." - Henry Ford
Yes and no. Yes because people want to be able to run it on max settings and it isn't very nice when your forced below them. No because i think it was stated the PC version will look much better than the PS3 version so those with a decent PC (You'd be suprised how many do) would rather get it for PC.
Should never be classed as shooting yourself in the foot when you try and up the experience be it visual or gameplay.
I think they should have waited to optimize a little bit before releasing this benchmark... Some of those scores are scary low (such as the recommended minimum spec)
My wifes and my PC specs are much better then the requirments. Only thing I m not sure on is the graphics cards. I m not as smart when it comes to graphics cards. Question I have, is if both our computers beat all reqs by quite a bit will a Radeon HD 3600 and 3650 run the game? I ve been looking everywhere for info on that. Any help would be appreciated.
My wifes and my PC specs are much better then the requirments. Only thing I m not sure on is the graphics cards. I m not as smart when it comes to graphics cards. Question I have, is if both our computers beat all reqs by quite a bit will a Radeon HD 3600 and 3650 run the game? I ve been looking everywhere for info on that. Any help would be appreciated.
I'd say it will run it, but you'll get more out of the environment and graphics with 4-5000 series in my honest opinion.
My wifes and my PC specs are much better then the requirments. Only thing I m not sure on is the graphics cards. I m not as smart when it comes to graphics cards. Question I have, is if both our computers beat all reqs by quite a bit will a Radeon HD 3600 and 3650 run the game? I ve been looking everywhere for info on that. Any help would be appreciated.
I'm a tad out of touch w/ ATI stuff.. But I'm gonna take a stab at saying you'll probably want to look at the 5700 series perhaps?
I have a 2 year old nVidia 280, and it comes in fairly low (2400 on the bench), and I think that was out around the same time as the 3600 series, if not a bit after..
Best way to check would be to get the benchmark program and see. If you can hit in the 2k range, you should have no problem playing the game, but you won't be able to crank the eye candy w/o some performance hits (the degree of which depends on a bit more than just the umph you got pushing pixels to the screen, like bandwidth between proc/ram etc).
"If I'd asked my customers what they wanted, they'd have said a faster horse." - Henry Ford
My wifes and my PC specs are much better then the requirments. Only thing I m not sure on is the graphics cards. I m not as smart when it comes to graphics cards. Question I have, is if both our computers beat all reqs by quite a bit will a Radeon HD 3600 and 3650 run the game? I ve been looking everywhere for info on that. Any help would be appreciated.
I'd say it will run it, but you'll get more out of the environment and graphics with 4-5000 series in my honest opinion.
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So we ll be able to run it, good to know. I have no problem , running it on lower, just as long as I can upgrade overtime. Don t want to buy it , then not be able to play it at launch. I m going to be out of town for a couple months so I won t be able to upgrade till I get back. Anyone else think this set up should be ok, to at least run it. Not that I don t trust you Volt, just getting a second opinion Thanks again.
I had read somewhere that you shouldn't worry to much about the benchmark. Rumor is that if you can run FFXI then you can run FF14. You just have the potential to run it on higher graphics. I wouldn't worry. Even Aion which boasted some of the best graphics was still able to be run on a shitty machine with low graphics. Draw Distance ftw!
I had read somewhere that you shouldn't worry to much about the benchmark. Rumor is that if you can run FFXI then you can run FF14. You just have the potential to run it on higher graphics. I wouldn't worry. Even Aion which boasted some of the best graphics was still able to be run on a shitty machine with low graphics. Draw Distance ftw!
I see no way that's true.
FFXi has barely any system requirements by today's standard.
While the benchmark is more harsh than the final release will really run (most likely) that if you can run FFXI you can run FFXIV couldn't be more wrong.
I had read somewhere that you shouldn't worry to much about the benchmark. Rumor is that if you can run FFXI then you can run FF14. You just have the potential to run it on higher graphics. I wouldn't worry. Even Aion which boasted some of the best graphics was still able to be run on a shitty machine with low graphics. Draw Distance ftw!
I see no way that's true.
FFXi has barely any system requirements by today's standard.
While the benchmark is more harsh than the final release will really run (most likely) that if you can run FFXI you can run FFXIV couldn't be more wrong.
Hmm. I guess we will see. As I stated it was a rumor. Plus if you have read a majority of the posts about this subject it is people saying how mediocre to poor ratings from this benchmark. I personally wouldn't put much stock into it, as you said it is a more harsh version. Only time will tell, but again they have been in the business and know what they are doing. I highly doubt they would see like 3% of the population of the game actually scoring well on the benchmark and be like "... naw screw the other 97%, we good with 3%." Although grossly exaggerated I do not know of to many people that have scored well on the benchmark.
I also understand FFXI has barely any system requirements by todays standards. I guess what I meant was a computer that is a few years old should be able to run FF14 on min specs. I had a 3 year old computer running an ATI X800XL and was able to run Aion on the minimum the game would allow. That card was very old comparatively.
Either way though it is a benchmark test. There is still a lot of performance tweaks they still have to do to improve it. They may relaunch another version of the benchmark test as they get closer to release.
Again though I reiterate, I wouldn't put much stock into the benchmark as of yet. But that is me.
Seems I have to upgrade one day. Not sure though, if this is enough reason. I´ll better wait till after release, to see how much more than graphics is in this game.
It's a Beta Benchmark tool made by a specific video card manufacturer for a game that just emerged from Alpha after doing a massive graphics upgrade in its last few phases. I'd take any bad results you get with a grain of salt as some very high end systems with ATI cards can't even run the benchmark utility or it crashes straight out.
Seems I have to upgrade one day. Not sure though, if this is enough reason. I´ll better wait till after release, to see how much more than graphics is in this game.
Btw, for how long was this game in development?
I got a 248 with my 8600m GS on my laptop. Sure, I got it in September 2008, but, hell, I can play most games on max/near-max settings. I want to play XIV with my buddies, but not at the cost of getting a new laptop or desktop. If they have an open beta then I'll try that and see if I can at least handle the game, if they don't have an open beta I'll just install my one of my friend's copies. As it is, I think the release information sucks since of my friends was going to play on a PS3.
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Anyone who puts so much thought into a benchmark based on an alpha version of a game who's graphics are meant to scale well into the future is an idiot.
Anyone who puts so much thought into a benchmark based on an alpha version of a game who's graphics are meant to scale well into the future is an idiot.
Perhaps, but unless the minimum requirements for the graphics card comes down to like a Geforce 8x series then in my case, and some others, it doesn't really matter what the benchmark says.
-------- "Chemistry: 'We do stuff in lab that would be a felony in your garage.'"
The most awesomest after school special T-shirt: Front: UNO Chemistry Club Back: /\OH --> Bad Decisions
This is a completely valid question, and I think the requirements will probably affect the subscription numbers at least in its initial year.
Now, I'm not saying "sales", I'm saying "subscription numbers"... That's because we've seen in AOC launch that whatever recommended reqs or even minimum reqs you print on a box, a lot of people will just buy the darned thing and discover their config is not going to cut it later, after they install the game. I know some people who dropped their AOC subs because of the game not performing bearably, meaning to come back later, after they've upgraded (though, looking back, most didn't).
However, there's a flip side to that coin. I've seen many times that if players really enjoy a game, a surprising number of them will actually upgrade to keep playing. For instance, people keep tossing WOW's name around as a game that worked on a toaster and forced practically nobody to upgrade. That's just not right.
Sure, maybe it did work fine if you were doing the 1-60 quest-a-thon or even 5-man dungeons, but as soon as you hit Molten Core with 40 people, half that guild is going for upgrades, baby!.. Because all of a sudden you're getting less than 10fps and pulling Gehennas with your slideshowing butt. I remember people upgrading left and right - they did not drop the game, they went for their wallets, because they did enjoy the game. (Frankly I remember some upgrading after first stepping into Ironforge! )
SWG around launch was also a solid argument for an upgrade in its day. If you had an old system, you'd get a slideshow of desert landscape as soon as you stepped into the game. But if you put the money in, it was a beautiful MMO for its time.
So, yeah, I say it will probably affect initial numbers, but in the long run, it's all about whether people enjoy the game or not. Word of mouth for games works wonders on those PC sales.
im a PC fans and i own a high end computer personaly its not a problem and im waiting this game with impatience if a PS3 can run this game just try to set the graphic to low setting and if u can afford a good machine , go to the market and get a descend graphic card and cpu and get ready for the 22 september or buy a ps3 if u cant afford a good compute so i dont think so they shooting themselves in the foot
Start an MMO that you expect to last for years at the highest level possible, Engine-wise. This means your players don't feel like your engine needs an upgrade right after launch.
In that this game will play on a PS3, accessability should not be a problem. The only people too proud to play this on a console are PC snobs, but they usually have high-end systems, so no problem for them.
Frank 'Spankybus' Mignone www.spankybus.com -3d Artist & Compositor -Writer -Professional Amature
Looking at all the low benchmark scores from potential players makes me wonder if Square Enix isn't going to be shooting themselves in the foot regarding FFXIV for the PC. One of the things that made a game like WoW so popular here in the US and abroad was it accessibility due to the low system requirements. Now Square Enix is going to release a much anticipated game with extremely high system requirements. Is this a wise move or are they shooting themselves in the foot?
If the question was would it hurt sales for the game overall I would have been able to vote no but I had to vote yes because it's only natural that a new pc is going to be out of the question for many players and if this game is released on consoles as well it's going to offer an easy avenue for some others to get into the game. I can actually use myself as an example because my pc is about two years old and is reaching it's limits and I would never buy another pc just for a game especially with a 360,ps3 and wii in the front room.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
Final Fantasy XIV for the PC is really nothing more than a port of the PS3 version, even if it comes out first just like FF XI PC was a port of the PS2 version. In that respect, I'm fine with the system requirements being what they are.
Final Fantasy XIV for the PC is really nothing more than a port of the PS3 version, even if it comes out first just like FF XI PC was a port of the PS2 version. In that respect, I'm fine with the system requirements being what they are.
Actually, the opposite.
Everything is being scaled down from the PC version so it can be played by PS3.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
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Back then, FFXI could be run on a mid range computer with the graphics chucked down. And yes I do think that. Especially with it's emphasis on grouping and friendships. I'm not saying it's easy, mind you. 5 year old computers back then had 1/12 the processing power of a computer made in that year. Moore's law was in full swing and computer were increasing in speed and performance faster than ever. Now, not so much. Sure it's happening, just not as quickly.
Definitely.
Ditto.. I can't wait to lose a fight to a bunny like a noob while I'm walking around in full armor and a shield.
"If I'd asked my customers what they wanted, they'd have said a faster horse." - Henry Ford
Yes and no. Yes because people want to be able to run it on max settings and it isn't very nice when your forced below them. No because i think it was stated the PC version will look much better than the PS3 version so those with a decent PC (You'd be suprised how many do) would rather get it for PC.
Should never be classed as shooting yourself in the foot when you try and up the experience be it visual or gameplay.
This time the monkeys have a "Nut Kick" ability... beware =/
I think they should have waited to optimize a little bit before releasing this benchmark... Some of those scores are scary low (such as the recommended minimum spec)
My wifes and my PC specs are much better then the requirments. Only thing I m not sure on is the graphics cards. I m not as smart when it comes to graphics cards. Question I have, is if both our computers beat all reqs by quite a bit will a Radeon HD 3600 and 3650 run the game? I ve been looking everywhere for info on that. Any help would be appreciated.
I'd say it will run it, but you'll get more out of the environment and graphics with 4-5000 series in my honest opinion.
END OF LINE_
~V
I'm a tad out of touch w/ ATI stuff.. But I'm gonna take a stab at saying you'll probably want to look at the 5700 series perhaps?
I have a 2 year old nVidia 280, and it comes in fairly low (2400 on the bench), and I think that was out around the same time as the 3600 series, if not a bit after..
Best way to check would be to get the benchmark program and see. If you can hit in the 2k range, you should have no problem playing the game, but you won't be able to crank the eye candy w/o some performance hits (the degree of which depends on a bit more than just the umph you got pushing pixels to the screen, like bandwidth between proc/ram etc).
"If I'd asked my customers what they wanted, they'd have said a faster horse." - Henry Ford
So we ll be able to run it, good to know. I have no problem , running it on lower, just as long as I can upgrade overtime. Don t want to buy it , then not be able to play it at launch. I m going to be out of town for a couple months so I won t be able to upgrade till I get back. Anyone else think this set up should be ok, to at least run it. Not that I don t trust you Volt, just getting a second opinion
Thanks again.
I had read somewhere that you shouldn't worry to much about the benchmark. Rumor is that if you can run FFXI then you can run FF14. You just have the potential to run it on higher graphics. I wouldn't worry. Even Aion which boasted some of the best graphics was still able to be run on a shitty machine with low graphics. Draw Distance ftw!
-Maltos-
I see no way that's true.
FFXi has barely any system requirements by today's standard.
While the benchmark is more harsh than the final release will really run (most likely) that if you can run FFXI you can run FFXIV couldn't be more wrong.
I voted no because pcs arnt going to be the only ones playing this game.
Hmm. I guess we will see. As I stated it was a rumor. Plus if you have read a majority of the posts about this subject it is people saying how mediocre to poor ratings from this benchmark. I personally wouldn't put much stock into it, as you said it is a more harsh version. Only time will tell, but again they have been in the business and know what they are doing. I highly doubt they would see like 3% of the population of the game actually scoring well on the benchmark and be like "... naw screw the other 97%, we good with 3%." Although grossly exaggerated I do not know of to many people that have scored well on the benchmark.
I also understand FFXI has barely any system requirements by todays standards. I guess what I meant was a computer that is a few years old should be able to run FF14 on min specs. I had a 3 year old computer running an ATI X800XL and was able to run Aion on the minimum the game would allow. That card was very old comparatively.
Either way though it is a benchmark test. There is still a lot of performance tweaks they still have to do to improve it. They may relaunch another version of the benchmark test as they get closer to release.
Again though I reiterate, I wouldn't put much stock into the benchmark as of yet. But that is me.
-Maltos-
Uh... score 435 with a 8600 GS.^^
Seems I have to upgrade one day. Not sure though, if this is enough reason. I´ll better wait till after release, to see how much more than graphics is in this game.
Btw, for how long was this game in development?
It's a Beta Benchmark tool made by a specific video card manufacturer for a game that just emerged from Alpha after doing a massive graphics upgrade in its last few phases. I'd take any bad results you get with a grain of salt as some very high end systems with ATI cards can't even run the benchmark utility or it crashes straight out.
I got a 248 with my 8600m GS on my laptop. Sure, I got it in September 2008, but, hell, I can play most games on max/near-max settings. I want to play XIV with my buddies, but not at the cost of getting a new laptop or desktop. If they have an open beta then I'll try that and see if I can at least handle the game, if they don't have an open beta I'll just install my one of my friend's copies. As it is, I think the release information sucks since of my friends was going to play on a PS3.
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"Chemistry: 'We do stuff in lab that would be a felony in your garage.'"
The most awesomest after school special T-shirt:
Front: UNO Chemistry Club
Back: /\OH --> Bad Decisions
Here's what I think.
Anyone who puts so much thought into a benchmark based on an alpha version of a game who's graphics are meant to scale well into the future is an idiot.
Perhaps, but unless the minimum requirements for the graphics card comes down to like a Geforce 8x series then in my case, and some others, it doesn't really matter what the benchmark says.
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"Chemistry: 'We do stuff in lab that would be a felony in your garage.'"
The most awesomest after school special T-shirt:
Front: UNO Chemistry Club
Back: /\OH --> Bad Decisions
This is a completely valid question, and I think the requirements will probably affect the subscription numbers at least in its initial year.
Now, I'm not saying "sales", I'm saying "subscription numbers"... That's because we've seen in AOC launch that whatever recommended reqs or even minimum reqs you print on a box, a lot of people will just buy the darned thing and discover their config is not going to cut it later, after they install the game. I know some people who dropped their AOC subs because of the game not performing bearably, meaning to come back later, after they've upgraded (though, looking back, most didn't).
However, there's a flip side to that coin. I've seen many times that if players really enjoy a game, a surprising number of them will actually upgrade to keep playing. For instance, people keep tossing WOW's name around as a game that worked on a toaster and forced practically nobody to upgrade. That's just not right.
Sure, maybe it did work fine if you were doing the 1-60 quest-a-thon or even 5-man dungeons, but as soon as you hit Molten Core with 40 people, half that guild is going for upgrades, baby!.. Because all of a sudden you're getting less than 10fps and pulling Gehennas with your slideshowing butt. I remember people upgrading left and right - they did not drop the game, they went for their wallets, because they did enjoy the game. (Frankly I remember some upgrading after first stepping into Ironforge!
)
SWG around launch was also a solid argument for an upgrade in its day. If you had an old system, you'd get a slideshow of desert landscape as soon as you stepped into the game. But if you put the money in, it was a beautiful MMO for its time.
So, yeah, I say it will probably affect initial numbers, but in the long run, it's all about whether people enjoy the game or not. Word of mouth for games works wonders on those PC sales.
im a PC fans and i own a high end computer personaly its not a problem and im waiting this game with impatience if a PS3 can run this game just try to set the graphic to low setting and if u can afford a good machine , go to the market and get a descend graphic card and cpu and get ready for the 22 september or buy a ps3 if u cant afford a good compute so i dont think so they shooting themselves in the foot
Start an MMO that you expect to last for years at the highest level possible, Engine-wise. This means your players don't feel like your engine needs an upgrade right after launch.
In that this game will play on a PS3, accessability should not be a problem. The only people too proud to play this on a console are PC snobs, but they usually have high-end systems, so no problem for them.
Frank 'Spankybus' Mignone
www.spankybus.com
-3d Artist & Compositor
-Writer
-Professional Amature
If the question was would it hurt sales for the game overall I would have been able to vote no but I had to vote yes because it's only natural that a new pc is going to be out of the question for many players and if this game is released on consoles as well it's going to offer an easy avenue for some others to get into the game. I can actually use myself as an example because my pc is about two years old and is reaching it's limits and I would never buy another pc just for a game especially with a 360,ps3 and wii in the front room.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
Final Fantasy XIV for the PC is really nothing more than a port of the PS3 version, even if it comes out first just like FF XI PC was a port of the PS2 version. In that respect, I'm fine with the system requirements being what they are.
Actually, the opposite.
Everything is being scaled down from the PC version so it can be played by PS3.