For all the anti-twitch sentiment buried in the first post the real issue here is that OP doesn't seem to want to admit that not only can this kid out move him but he can out think him as well...
I wan in a top Clanbase team in UT2k4, so stfu please troll.
The point is I doin't want to play twitch in MMO.
Nice way to throw "twitch cred" out there. Not. Well Mr. "I wan in a top Clanbase team in UT2k4" then you SHOULD know that even in twitch heavy games reflexes aren't the only things being exercised is there? And the title of the thread reads "ACTION-MMO"......not exactly the same thing as your plain vanilla MMO eh?
Of course all this then implies that you consider reflexes as having no bearing at all on basic/standard MMO combat mechanics.
If the point was to say you didn't want to play twitch in an MMO then why did you post a link to a kid playing an RTS?
Still, a fantastic rate of APMs or not, why are you avoiding the fact that more than just reflexes are involved in the game he's playing?
If I wanted to troll I only would have posted L2PLOLOLZZZ!!!
I'm trying to bring an observation to the OP's attention.
Here's some (randomly picked) examples of PvP combat in conteporary/past games. Are you saying that reflexes have NO bearing in these games?
Well I think you are the freak one. Who the hell is forcing you into playing twitch MMO's? AFAIK there is more then a lot of MMO's that let you mindlessly grind to top level. Play those instead. Most MMO's doesn't leave place for real strategy most of the times. There is usually only one best combination of skills and you are usually using that one all the time.
Is someone forcing you to a gunpoint to play MMOs?
Nope, I just don't want to get the same thing WoW did. Release 1 succesful twitch MMO and everyone else copies it for years to come. RPG had nothing to do with twitch until Tera and F2P introduced it.
This thread should be called "This is why I don't want an ACTION-MMO" and then proceed to QQ over Koreans which makes little sence to begin with.
It's senSe><. I didn't QQ about Koreans, he could be an Alien for all I care, doesn't make him less of an freak.
Ahhhhhh yes. How very revealing. The OP considers the kid a freak because of what he was able to achieve by dedicating himself and becoming the best he could be at the game he plays.
So he is a freak.....
And since turnabout is fair play it's wOn><.
"Heart grow stronger, Will becomes firm, the Mind more calm, as our Strength lessens..." Battle of Maldon 991 AD
Using this logic, I should stop playing basketball because there are playing like Kobe Bryant that would destroy me. Thanks OP.
Basketball has nothing to do with short time muscle memory applied to games, please don't be an ignoranus and actually read the thread.
I think you need to read up on muscle memory there champ.
Muscle memory is what allows shooters to consistently shoot 3-pointers and free-throws. I would not call someone an ignoramus when you have no clue on the subject matter.
P.S. Spelling ignoramus wrongly is just priceless. I can't buy irony like this.
Using this logic, I should stop playing basketball because there are playing like Kobe Bryant that would destroy me. Thanks OP.
Faulty analogy. You don't play on the same court as Kobe and you will never have to try to compete with him.
Originally posted by ChrisMattern
Except in MMOs, where you'll all be in the same world.
Pro-gamers would not even think about touching an mmorpg as there is no money to be made. Do you even understand what professional means?
And a /facepalm to players who do not do something because of something only 0.0001% of the population can achieve (made up statistics). It's this kind of whining why some people will just never be good at anything.
P.S. If I could play against Kobe I would even though I would get destroyed. This is part of the learning process.
Using the phrase "this is why you don't want an action-MMO" when the OP means "I don't want an action-MMO".
Assuming that when action MMOs exist (as they already have for years) that they will be the only type of MMO offered. And assuming you'll be forced to play them.
Rejecting orangerascal's completely valid criticism that Basketball shouldn't exist, simply because we might face a pro Basketball player at some point. It's not like top-rated WOW Arena teams fight noob teams; they fight other top-rated Arena teams (games where top players can consistently fight noobs tend to be rather poor PVP games.)
Basically: We get it, you (the OP) don't want an action MMO. So don't play one, and try not to waste everyone's time typing out a post that whines about a game type you're not forced to play.
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
RTS games have always been key push intensive due to the number of units. Also being a big RTS player, the original RTS games were slower, slower build times, slower move times etc. Over time the companies made RTS games quicker and quicker making it FAR more about twitch time then actually strategy. I can play that way but I don't enjoy it, I don't play RTS games nearly as much now. If they made some that went back to the strategic route that involved actually Real Time STRATEGY then I would be back in that genre in a heartbeat.
FPS games do not have anywhere near as many key presses a minute, twitch reflexes still play a significant role when the game does a more realistic damage (like CS) since often times when turning a corner the first one to click gets the kill and the other is dead. I noticed with CS and games like MW2 that my K/D ratio isn't nearly as huge as it was when I was in junior high and high school. However I still have high k/d ratios and can often lead the game ranking that I'm in, this is because reflexes are not the only determining factor, and although a tiny bit slower mine are still pretty quick.
Now an action MMO, the twitch aspect would be still lower. This is due to most MMOs wanting intense battles so the amount of hits till a person is dead is higher. The less damage per hit, the less significance is placed on twitch.
I would love some more action MMOs to come out, some that really push into new territory. I think the major holdup right now is that MMOs tend to have significantly higher latency then regular multiplayer games. The more action oreinted a game is, the more latency matters.
I've never done any kind of APM (or whatever term they used) machine, but based on how many accurate key presses can easily be done by an experienced computer user/typer 200-300 doesn't seem all that fantastical.
Watch the finger movements in this video at 3:10, they do over 300 actions / second.
Imagine trying to compete with these freaks of nature who do nothing but play. You can't win because they have created something called "muscle memory", they don't think about their actions anymore, but just do it.
It's possible to develop muscle memory for any MMO, those with real or turn-based combat. Hell, you can probably develop muscle memory for Peggle, if you play it long enough, as all that is required to develop muscle memory is repetition of the same movement until you don't have to think about it.
LOL, ah, those crazy asians. You have to hand it to the guy, that was pretty impressive. Seriously though, that game looks like something I wouldn't have played on the SNES because the graphics were so terrible.
I'm glad the guy trained himself to hit a few buttons and click the mouse that fast, but F*** me, that looks like absolutely no fun. Not at all something I'd play. The phrase "action RPG" in the title provoked a much different game in my mind than what he was playing. (No, I didn't think of THAT kind of "action RPG", at least not until I started typing this sentence.)
For all the anti-twitch sentiment buried in the first post the real issue here is that OP doesn't seem to want to admit that not only can this kid out move him but he can out think him as well...
I wan in a top Clanbase team in UT2k4, so stfu please troll.
The point is I doin't want to play twitch in MMO.
I'm going to have to completely stop playing UT now since there is no way I can beat a person like you.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
almost see this post as an exuce to post the video heh.
well got some practice to do for sure :P *calls in sick......for the next 10 years or so..* nvm I ll be too old by then.
for action MMOs am sure that is the future for MMOs, even if Id prefer they would stick to being social gaming, where the bad gamers like me got a chance ;P
Watch the finger movements in this video at 3:10, they do over 300 actions / second.
Imagine trying to compete with these freaks of nature who do nothing but play. You can't win because they have created something called "muscle memory", they don't think about their actions anymore, but just do it.
So? He can't out action my bot. Brain > muscle.
Joking aside, skilled and dedicated people already exist in todays lower action / second MMOs and people still play.
Forever looking for employment. Life is rather dull without it.
Using this logic, I should stop playing basketball because there are playing like Kobe Bryant that would destroy me. Thanks OP.
You probably would stop playing basketball if you had to regularly share the court with players who were drastically better than you due to natural ability, training, or simply the amount of time they have to practice each day. The sports analogies don't work for me because the best players don't play with the semi-pros, much less with the amateurs. But in MMOs, we're all out there sharing one big playing field. I don't mind that, in fact, I like it that way, I'm just pointing out why the analogy won't fly.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
Using this logic, I should stop playing basketball because there are playing like Kobe Bryant that would destroy me. Thanks OP.
You probably would stop playing basketball if you had to regularly share the court with players who were drastically better than you due to natural ability, training, or simply the amount of time they have to practice each day. The sports analogies don't work for me because the best players don't play with the semi-pros, much less with the amateurs. But in MMOs, we're all out there sharing one big playing field. I don't mind that, in fact, I like it that way, I'm just pointing out why the analogy won't fly.
The analogy do make sense since we are also sharing one big playing field it's called planet Earth.
The big question to this topic is "Do you play games to have fun or to be the best?"
Using this logic, I should stop playing basketball because there are playing like Kobe Bryant that would destroy me. Thanks OP.
You probably would stop playing basketball if you had to regularly share the court with players who were drastically better than you due to natural ability, training, or simply the amount of time they have to practice each day. The sports analogies don't work for me because the best players don't play with the semi-pros, much less with the amateurs. But in MMOs, we're all out there sharing one big playing field. I don't mind that, in fact, I like it that way, I'm just pointing out why the analogy won't fly.
The analogy do make sense since we are also sharing one big playing field it's called planet Earth.
The big question to this topic is "Do you play games to have fun or to be the best?"
It's fun being the best, there's no denying that, but being the best isn't required for me to have fun.
Still, the analogy doesn't work for me. There are several billion people on the planet, if my interests intersect with a handful of top players in any other 'sport', the likelihood of having to play against them is slim to none. In just about any MMO, I've no doubt I'll run up against plenty top players sooner or later. Which can be seen as either an advantage or a disadvantage, depending on how I want to look at it. It doesn't bother me to lose to the best players, but I can see how it would bother other people, especially those who simply don't have the time to play as many hours as mastering some of these games requires.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
Then this is a matter of designing a game that low-rank player doesn't have to compete with top-rank player id they don’t want to.
It has nothing to do with the game being action based or not.
That I can agree with. Open world pvp in any game can be restricted to certain servers for those who enjoy pvp anytime, anywhere, with anyone, and those who don't like open world pvp can get their pvp fix within a ranking system.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
Using this logic, I should stop playing basketball because there are playing like Kobe Bryant that would destroy me. Thanks OP.
You probably would stop playing basketball if you had to regularly share the court with players who were drastically better than you due to natural ability, training, or simply the amount of time they have to practice each day. The sports analogies don't work for me because the best players don't play with the semi-pros, much less with the amateurs. But in MMOs, we're all out there sharing one big playing field. I don't mind that, in fact, I like it that way, I'm just pointing out why the analogy won't fly.
So you're saying all the 20,000 people on your server have this uncanny natural ability? Again you're not understanding what the professional in pro-gamer means.
Professional means you make money from it. This means it's his job. Professional players won't be playing mmo's because there is no money to be made and hence no incentive. Do you think this guy was born like this or maybe he trains for it because money is a great incentive?
TLDR; Unless they start paying you to play mmorpg's no one is going to put the effort to get this good.
P.S. Professional players did not start out magically playing professionally. They played everyday people and slowly moved up the skill ladder. Are you saying everyone Kobe Bryant played prior to his professional career quit?
Using this logic, I should stop playing basketball because there are playing like Kobe Bryant that would destroy me. Thanks OP.
You probably would stop playing basketball if you had to regularly share the court with players who were drastically better than you due to natural ability, training, or simply the amount of time they have to practice each day. The sports analogies don't work for me because the best players don't play with the semi-pros, much less with the amateurs. But in MMOs, we're all out there sharing one big playing field. I don't mind that, in fact, I like it that way, I'm just pointing out why the analogy won't fly.
So you're saying all the 20,000 people on your server have this uncanny natural ability? Again you're not understanding what the professional in pro-gamer means.
Professional means you make money from it. This means it's his job. Professional players won't be playing mmo's because there is no money to be made and hence no incentive. Do you think this guy was born like this or maybe he trains for it because money is a great incentive?
TLDR; Unless they start paying you to play mmorpg's no one is going to put the effort to get this good.
P.S. Professional players did not start out magically playing professionally. They played everyday people and slowly moved up the skill ladder. Are you saying everyone Kobe Bryant played prior to his professional career quit?
Professional level in a game, with all the practice and sometimes natural talent this implies, is not restricted to paid players. A fifteen year old with lightning reflexes and an entire summer to dedicate to her new favorite game is going to easily beat the guy with wife, kids, and a job who has an hour or two a day (at most) to play. Not that I'm complaining about this disparity, it does not bother me, it's simply the analogy that doesn't ring true.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
Using this logic, I should stop playing basketball because there are playing like Kobe Bryant that would destroy me. Thanks OP.
You probably would stop playing basketball if you had to regularly share the court with players who were drastically better than you due to natural ability, training, or simply the amount of time they have to practice each day. The sports analogies don't work for me because the best players don't play with the semi-pros, much less with the amateurs. But in MMOs, we're all out there sharing one big playing field. I don't mind that, in fact, I like it that way, I'm just pointing out why the analogy won't fly.
So you're saying all the 20,000 people on your server have this uncanny natural ability? Again you're not understanding what the professional in pro-gamer means.
Professional means you make money from it. This means it's his job. Professional players won't be playing mmo's because there is no money to be made and hence no incentive. Do you think this guy was born like this or maybe he trains for it because money is a great incentive?
TLDR; Unless they start paying you to play mmorpg's no one is going to put the effort to get this good.
P.S. Professional players did not start out magically playing professionally. They played everyday people and slowly moved up the skill ladder. Are you saying everyone Kobe Bryant played prior to his professional career quit?
Professional level in a game, with all the practice and sometimes natural talent this implies, is not restricted to paid players. A fifteen year old with lightning reflexes and an entire summer to dedicate to her new favorite game is going to easily beat the guy with wife, kids, and a job who has an hour or two a day (at most) to play. Not that I'm complaining about this disparity, it does not bother me, it's simply the analogy that doesn't ring true.
Yes I could also face a 15 year basketball natural in the park tomorrow and get destroyed. This doesn't mean I'll stop playing basketball?
And how is my analogy invalid ?.... Oh yeah cause I might face this korean pro if I played WC3 on bnet .... news flash this guy would not bother playing on BNET, there are ICCUP servers for players like him. In fact these is where they practice. Same for WOW and their tournament servers.
Here's the analogy checklist:
both sports --- check
both professional players --- check
both players at the top of their field --- check
both players play in specific leagues (ICCUP/NBA) --- check
Chance I'll face any of those players ---- 0.0000000001% (made up statistic) ----- check
Using this logic, I should stop playing basketball because there are playing like Kobe Bryant that would destroy me. Thanks OP.
You probably would stop playing basketball if you had to regularly share the court with players who were drastically better than you due to natural ability, training, or simply the amount of time they have to practice each day. The sports analogies don't work for me because the best players don't play with the semi-pros, much less with the amateurs. But in MMOs, we're all out there sharing one big playing field. I don't mind that, in fact, I like it that way, I'm just pointing out why the analogy won't fly.
So you're saying all the 20,000 people on your server have this uncanny natural ability? Again you're not understanding what the professional in pro-gamer means.
Professional means you make money from it. This means it's his job. Professional players won't be playing mmo's because there is no money to be made and hence no incentive. Do you think this guy was born like this or maybe he trains for it because money is a great incentive?
TLDR; Unless they start paying you to play mmorpg's no one is going to put the effort to get this good.
P.S. Professional players did not start out magically playing professionally. They played everyday people and slowly moved up the skill ladder. Are you saying everyone Kobe Bryant played prior to his professional career quit?
Professional level in a game, with all the practice and sometimes natural talent this implies, is not restricted to paid players. A fifteen year old with lightning reflexes and an entire summer to dedicate to her new favorite game is going to easily beat the guy with wife, kids, and a job who has an hour or two a day (at most) to play. Not that I'm complaining about this disparity, it does not bother me, it's simply the analogy that doesn't ring true.
Yes I could also face a 15 year basketball natural in the park tomorrow and get destroyed. This doesn't mean I'll stop playing basketball?
And how is my analogy invalid ?.... Oh yeah cause I might face this korean pro if I played WC3 on bnet .... news flash this guy would not bother playing on BNET, there are ICCUP servers for players like him. In fact these is where they practice. Same for WOW and their tournament servers.
Here's the analogy checklist:
both sports --- check
both professional players --- check
both players at the top of their field --- check
both players play in specific leagues (ICCUP/NBA) --- check
Chance I'll face any of those players ---- 0.0000000001% (made up statistic) ----- check
How was it invalid again?
Your analogy checklist is also invalid. It doesn't take years of practice, professional backing, and being more talented than 99.9999999999 percent of the population to dominate in pvp in any MMO that I know of. Also, calling MMOs a sport is pushing it, but I'll go with the definition, since pvp is a competition. I argue that the top field of players in an MMO is much broader than in sports like basketball, and therefore the chance you'll face off against one of these 'top field players' is much greater, than in real world sports, and this is why I think your analogy falls flat.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
Even if we grant that this dude is some kind of mutant, it would have no bearing on anyone else's ability to PvE.
Also, even as a non-pvper, I would bet good money that other pvpers would be eager to take him on knowing how skilled he is. You don't have to win a battle to learn from it.
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Nice way to throw "twitch cred" out there. Not. Well Mr. "I wan in a top Clanbase team in UT2k4" then you SHOULD know that even in twitch heavy games reflexes aren't the only things being exercised is there? And the title of the thread reads "ACTION-MMO"......not exactly the same thing as your plain vanilla MMO eh?
Of course all this then implies that you consider reflexes as having no bearing at all on basic/standard MMO combat mechanics.
If the point was to say you didn't want to play twitch in an MMO then why did you post a link to a kid playing an RTS?
Still, a fantastic rate of APMs or not, why are you avoiding the fact that more than just reflexes are involved in the game he's playing?
If I wanted to troll I only would have posted L2PLOLOLZZZ!!!
I'm trying to bring an observation to the OP's attention.
Here's some (randomly picked) examples of PvP combat in conteporary/past games. Are you saying that reflexes have NO bearing in these games?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeHB10qRafw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1CyrgEefQ8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1oEtXi3Z6Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gGb8_fTzY4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSqxXhU-XXY
And the list goes on....
To varying degrees, some greater some lesser they all seem to have some level of both reflexive and "strategic" play involved.
Sooooooo....that leaves an MMO version of...Risk?
"Heart grow stronger, Will becomes firm, the Mind more calm, as our Strength lessens..." Battle of Maldon 991 AD
Well I think you are the freak one. Who the hell is forcing you into playing twitch MMO's? AFAIK there is more then a lot of MMO's that let you mindlessly grind to top level. Play those instead. Most MMO's doesn't leave place for real strategy most of the times. There is usually only one best combination of skills and you are usually using that one all the time.
Just make an action MMO, and then region-lock it. Give those crazy Koreans their own servers.
Exactly what they already do with action MMO's like Dungeon and Fighter, Mabinogi Heroes, etc.
Ahhhhhh yes. How very revealing. The OP considers the kid a freak because of what he was able to achieve by dedicating himself and becoming the best he could be at the game he plays.
So he is a freak.....
And since turnabout is fair play it's wOn><.
"Heart grow stronger, Will becomes firm, the Mind more calm, as our Strength lessens..." Battle of Maldon 991 AD
I think you need to read up on muscle memory there champ.
Muscle memory is what allows shooters to consistently shoot 3-pointers and free-throws. I would not call someone an ignoramus when you have no clue on the subject matter.
P.S. Spelling ignoramus wrongly is just priceless. I can't buy irony like this.
Pro-gamers would not even think about touching an mmorpg as there is no money to be made. Do you even understand what professional means?
And a /facepalm to players who do not do something because of something only 0.0001% of the population can achieve (made up statistics). It's this kind of whining why some people will just never be good at anything.
P.S. If I could play against Kobe I would even though I would get destroyed. This is part of the learning process.
It's on purpose.
This thread is dumb for the following reasons:
Using the phrase "this is why you don't want an action-MMO" when the OP means "I don't want an action-MMO".
Assuming that when action MMOs exist (as they already have for years) that they will be the only type of MMO offered. And assuming you'll be forced to play them.
Rejecting orangerascal's completely valid criticism that Basketball shouldn't exist, simply because we might face a pro Basketball player at some point. It's not like top-rated WOW Arena teams fight noob teams; they fight other top-rated Arena teams (games where top players can consistently fight noobs tend to be rather poor PVP games.)
Basically: We get it, you (the OP) don't want an action MMO. So don't play one, and try not to waste everyone's time typing out a post that whines about a game type you're not forced to play.
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
RTS games have always been key push intensive due to the number of units. Also being a big RTS player, the original RTS games were slower, slower build times, slower move times etc. Over time the companies made RTS games quicker and quicker making it FAR more about twitch time then actually strategy. I can play that way but I don't enjoy it, I don't play RTS games nearly as much now. If they made some that went back to the strategic route that involved actually Real Time STRATEGY then I would be back in that genre in a heartbeat.
FPS games do not have anywhere near as many key presses a minute, twitch reflexes still play a significant role when the game does a more realistic damage (like CS) since often times when turning a corner the first one to click gets the kill and the other is dead. I noticed with CS and games like MW2 that my K/D ratio isn't nearly as huge as it was when I was in junior high and high school. However I still have high k/d ratios and can often lead the game ranking that I'm in, this is because reflexes are not the only determining factor, and although a tiny bit slower mine are still pretty quick.
Now an action MMO, the twitch aspect would be still lower. This is due to most MMOs wanting intense battles so the amount of hits till a person is dead is higher. The less damage per hit, the less significance is placed on twitch.
I would love some more action MMOs to come out, some that really push into new territory. I think the major holdup right now is that MMOs tend to have significantly higher latency then regular multiplayer games. The more action oreinted a game is, the more latency matters.
I've never done any kind of APM (or whatever term they used) machine, but based on how many accurate key presses can easily be done by an experienced computer user/typer 200-300 doesn't seem all that fantastical.
It's possible to develop muscle memory for any MMO, those with real or turn-based combat. Hell, you can probably develop muscle memory for Peggle, if you play it long enough, as all that is required to develop muscle memory is repetition of the same movement until you don't have to think about it.
LOL, ah, those crazy asians. You have to hand it to the guy, that was pretty impressive. Seriously though, that game looks like something I wouldn't have played on the SNES because the graphics were so terrible.
I'm glad the guy trained himself to hit a few buttons and click the mouse that fast, but F*** me, that looks like absolutely no fun. Not at all something I'd play. The phrase "action RPG" in the title provoked a much different game in my mind than what he was playing. (No, I didn't think of THAT kind of "action RPG", at least not until I started typing this sentence.)
I'm going to have to completely stop playing UT now since there is no way I can beat a person like you.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
almost see this post as an exuce to post the video heh.
well got some practice to do for sure :P *calls in sick......for the next 10 years or so..* nvm I ll be too old by then.
for action MMOs am sure that is the future for MMOs, even if Id prefer they would stick to being social gaming, where the bad gamers like me got a chance ;P
am certain I ll give TERA a spin tho
So? He can't out action my bot. Brain > muscle.
Joking aside, skilled and dedicated people already exist in todays lower action / second MMOs and people still play.
Forever looking for employment. Life is rather dull without it.
You probably would stop playing basketball if you had to regularly share the court with players who were drastically better than you due to natural ability, training, or simply the amount of time they have to practice each day. The sports analogies don't work for me because the best players don't play with the semi-pros, much less with the amateurs. But in MMOs, we're all out there sharing one big playing field. I don't mind that, in fact, I like it that way, I'm just pointing out why the analogy won't fly.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
~Albert Einstein
The analogy do make sense since we are also sharing one big playing field it's called planet Earth.
The big question to this topic is "Do you play games to have fun or to be the best?"
It's fun being the best, there's no denying that, but being the best isn't required for me to have fun.
Still, the analogy doesn't work for me. There are several billion people on the planet, if my interests intersect with a handful of top players in any other 'sport', the likelihood of having to play against them is slim to none. In just about any MMO, I've no doubt I'll run up against plenty top players sooner or later. Which can be seen as either an advantage or a disadvantage, depending on how I want to look at it. It doesn't bother me to lose to the best players, but I can see how it would bother other people, especially those who simply don't have the time to play as many hours as mastering some of these games requires.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
~Albert Einstein
Then this is a matter of designing a game that low-rank player doesn't have to compete with top-rank player id they don’t want to.
It has nothing to do with the game being action based or not.
That I can agree with. Open world pvp in any game can be restricted to certain servers for those who enjoy pvp anytime, anywhere, with anyone, and those who don't like open world pvp can get their pvp fix within a ranking system.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
~Albert Einstein
That video made me feel sad. Lots of sacrifice to get to that point.
So you're saying all the 20,000 people on your server have this uncanny natural ability? Again you're not understanding what the professional in pro-gamer means.
Professional means you make money from it. This means it's his job. Professional players won't be playing mmo's because there is no money to be made and hence no incentive. Do you think this guy was born like this or maybe he trains for it because money is a great incentive?
TLDR; Unless they start paying you to play mmorpg's no one is going to put the effort to get this good.
P.S. Professional players did not start out magically playing professionally. They played everyday people and slowly moved up the skill ladder. Are you saying everyone Kobe Bryant played prior to his professional career quit?
Professional level in a game, with all the practice and sometimes natural talent this implies, is not restricted to paid players. A fifteen year old with lightning reflexes and an entire summer to dedicate to her new favorite game is going to easily beat the guy with wife, kids, and a job who has an hour or two a day (at most) to play. Not that I'm complaining about this disparity, it does not bother me, it's simply the analogy that doesn't ring true.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
~Albert Einstein
Yes I could also face a 15 year basketball natural in the park tomorrow and get destroyed. This doesn't mean I'll stop playing basketball?
And how is my analogy invalid ?.... Oh yeah cause I might face this korean pro if I played WC3 on bnet .... news flash this guy would not bother playing on BNET, there are ICCUP servers for players like him. In fact these is where they practice. Same for WOW and their tournament servers.
Here's the analogy checklist:
both sports --- check
both professional players --- check
both players at the top of their field --- check
both players play in specific leagues (ICCUP/NBA) --- check
Chance I'll face any of those players ---- 0.0000000001% (made up statistic) ----- check
How was it invalid again?
Your analogy checklist is also invalid. It doesn't take years of practice, professional backing, and being more talented than 99.9999999999 percent of the population to dominate in pvp in any MMO that I know of. Also, calling MMOs a sport is pushing it, but I'll go with the definition, since pvp is a competition. I argue that the top field of players in an MMO is much broader than in sports like basketball, and therefore the chance you'll face off against one of these 'top field players' is much greater, than in real world sports, and this is why I think your analogy falls flat.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
~Albert Einstein
Even if we grant that this dude is some kind of mutant, it would have no bearing on anyone else's ability to PvE.
Also, even as a non-pvper, I would bet good money that other pvpers would be eager to take him on knowing how skilled he is. You don't have to win a battle to learn from it.