Well the important thing to keep in my mind is you are just playing a game and therfore you are alot of things but leet and uber are not them. The hardest part about raiding is tolerating the other people. raiding is the worst feature ever added to mmos. The addition of raiding in my opinion has killed what used to be more social games and not about raising to get the best polish on your epeen.
WoW takes ZERO skill to play.. LEET, and UBER don't exist in WoW, only in your tiny minds.
Ah, so I assume you've got your Lich King kill achievement? Or raided 40m Naxx PRE-BC? Just link me your armory, I'm sure I can identify your Naxx gear on your sixty, if he's still sixty, or I can look up your Lich King kill achievement.
How is killing the lich king make you leet? Honestly get over yourself. So a group of 10 or 25 guys managed to sick together for x weeks to finally kill the lich king. WoW is easymode MMO.
Lol sorry but Cookiecutter games are about as stupid as the people who think they are leet at WoW.
Being leet at WoW is like being the fastest retarded kid at the special olympics.
That fast retarded kid still gets a solid gold medal to hang around his neck. What do you get for bashing him?
That is the greattest retort I have seen to one of the oldest Internet Forum sayings in internet history. "Winning an argument on the internet is like winning the special olympics..etc etc..
These talent ideas do look sort of interesting, along with a lot of other things that I've seen and heard people talk about them adding to the game.
But I know what type of game WoW is. It is a Raiding, game. Which is totally cool, I'm just not really into that. It would be nice if Blizzard would have some insight and make some PvP servers that raiding was not the thing, in fact they could even take all the raid dungeons out of the game. But they never will.
I'll tell you a lost interest in World of Warcraft, when I found out just how much Grinding/Raiding was involved, and continued to be placed in the expansion packs.
Therefore, I quit playing the game because Raiding, and Grinding for Skills/Weapons/Armor/Crafting/Gold...is not really my play style.
I had the most fun playing WoW, from it's release, to about 6 months after it's release. I enjoy'd the ease of leveling, the fun times that I had playing the 5 man dungeons with my buddies, the laughs we had on vent in World PvP. The epic battles at Tauren Mill...
Then it would up being that I had to leave my best friends to try and get recruited to some guild that I did not know anyone in, just to be able to try to raid to get better gear. Then all the drama with all the guilds members fighting over DKP, and who had first dibs on gear, the guild break-ups...all because the grinding and raiding tempo of the game.
If for any reason WoW ever finds a way to entertain the Small Best Buddy Groups of PvP gamers like me and my buddies, as well as they currently entertain the raiders, it could be possible for us to return to the game. However I very seriously doubt that will ever happen.
The game is a sick disgusting waste of ones life sitting at a computer 24-7 grinding for some virtual pixels.
I just want to log on, chop someone's head of, and them go to bed. Is that to much to ask?
Please try the trial of Darkfall online. This sounds right up your ally dude. Game is nasty open world PVP that gets your adrenaline pumping like no other MMO has since AC and UO. Darkfall Online -- Best MMO PVP game on the market.
I'm pumped for this... To all you QQing fanbois out there.. Go find something creditable to cry about. Everyone always has something negative to say about WoW. I have played since release and yes they have had their ups and downs.. But all in all blizzard has done a great job with WoW and I'm more then happy....
Gaming community: IRONFIST New World: Lilith - US East WoW Guild: IRONFIST <Burning Legion> Alliance(We transferred to Illidan) WoW Guild: IRONFIST <Illidan> Horde SWOTR: IRONFIST <Satele Shan> Empire/Republic
I'm pumped for this... To all you QQing fanbois out there.. Go find something creditable to cry about. Everyone always has something negative to say about WoW. I have played since release and yes they have had their ups and downs.. But all in all blizzard has done a great job with WoW and I'm more then happy....
true fanboi. Go play a real MMO like eq2 then talk about how hard raiding is. Wow is a joke. I play wow when I want to watch TV and veg out. I cleared 3 drakes while watching golden girls reruns and 5 boxing shamans in WSG. And I was drake tank. Hell, the starting mobs in Darkfall online in the noob areas are harder to kill then 95% of the PVE content in WoW. Yes the goblin shamans will F you up.
Ah, so I assume you've got your Lich King kill achievement? Or raided 40m Naxx PRE-BC? Just link me your armory, I'm sure I can identify your Naxx gear on your sixty, if he's still sixty, or I can look up your Lich King kill achievement.
How is killing the lich king make you leet? Honestly get over yourself. So a group of 10 or 25 guys managed to sick together for x weeks to finally kill the lich king. WoW is easymode MMO.
First off he never said Leet..and yes wow is easy mode to level because the real fun or challenge is top tier gaming..not 5 mans but the 10s and 25s.
I have to admit, these changes aren't the best. I mean, part of WoW was being unable to train without the heavy utility skills that end-game talents offer.
I MUST agree with Shaman's changes though. Before, ALL Enhancement Shaman's skills were mid-game or end-game. People had to grind to 40 with only Earth Shock.
Im sure you never did any of the end game content where it really is harder to do. leveling is simple but icc 25 is not.
in a 25 man one person that does not know the fight or where to be can wipe an entire raid. If you look at another MMO say...LOTRO, all you really need is the equipment so you dont get one shotted. And not to mention the grind for traits. But i digress...if you have never played the endgame and yet you make assumptions based on your lack of knowledge then some one with knowledge will never convince you. WoW is not for every one and I realize that, but to make a blanket statement on content when you have never experienced it is beyond me.
Ah, so I assume you've got your Lich King kill achievement? Or raided 40m Naxx PRE-BC? Just link me your armory, I'm sure I can identify your Naxx gear on your sixty, if he's still sixty, or I can look up your Lich King kill achievement.
How is killing the lich king make you leet? Honestly get over yourself. So a group of 10 or 25 guys managed to sick together for x weeks to finally kill the lich king. WoW is easymode MMO.
First off he never said Leet..and yes wow is easy mode to level because the real fun or challenge is top tier gaming..not 5 mans but the 10s and 25s.
I think the real fun is what you make of it...
As far as WoW being the easymode MMO... Sure its easy. But hard does not = fun. Easy does not = fun. Hard does not = better. Easy does not = better.
So many people try to quantify the quality of the game based on its difficulty. Play the game that you enjoy and quit the QQing. There is no reason to be so butt hurt over WoW.
Love it! Great to see major changes to improve and clean up the talent trees. So many things are boring and are to picked just to get to the next tier. All these people yapping about "the problem with WoW is..." are fools and wouldn't even be posting here if they weren't still interested in WoW. Blizzard has you by the balls whether you like it or not. Go whine elsewhere, maybe in the forum for whatever game you're pretending to like more.
Im sure you never did any of the end game content where it really is harder to do. leveling is simple but icc 25 is not.
in a 25 man one person that does not know the fight or where to be can wipe an entire raid. If you look at another MMO say...LOTRO, all you really need is the equipment so you dont get one shotted. And not to mention the grind for traits. But i digress...if you have never played the endgame and yet you make assumptions based on your lack of knowledge then some one with knowledge will never convince you. WoW is not for every one and I realize that, but to make a blanket statement on content when you have never experienced it is beyond me.
I have played the endgame and it does take skill, but yes if one person messes up then it is a wipe. That is really the main reason why it is hard. endgame is really where the challenge of the game is.
I don't like this AT ALL - I had always spread my points across the trees right from the start to get a more rounded character - now I don't even get a chance to pick the other 2 trees until the first is full - what MORON came up with this idea!?!?- obviously the same one who's been dumbing down everything in the game for the last two or so years (like pet training). I stopped subscribing many months ago because it was getting too simplistic and what little enjoyment that was to be had by certain complexities in the game are being chipped away with every patch - I was going to resub with Cataclysm - now I'm not so sure....
DEFINITION OF REALITY: Graphics ok, Sound ok, Gold drops need more work...
I fail to see how this makes anything better. Besides only being able to level down one tree until it's full seems like it's taking a lot of the customization of the classes out until much later in the game. take the "lame" talents out, fine whatever, but why force people to play one way until much later in the game? I know this is supposed to be a game changing expansion but this just has the stench of the NGE all over it.
I don't like this AT ALL - I had always spread my points across the trees right from the start to get a more rounded character - now I don't even get a chance to pick the other 2 trees until the first is full - what MORON came up with this idea!?!?- obviously the same one who's been dumbing down everything in the game for the last two or so years (like pet training). I stopped subscribing many months ago because it was getting too simplistic and what little enjoyment that was to be had by certain complexities in the game are being chipped away with every patch - I was going to resub with Cataclysm - now I'm not so sure....
Actually I was the same way when I played WoW, I spread myself around on the tables to get an easier leveling spec or what I wanted to focus on. They pretty much have turned on the blinders and I am not sure why. I mean there was a purpose behind it, just not seeing one that would make me want to devote a spec. I can't imagine trying to be a rogue without getting some crit help while I level, meh best of luck WoW crowd.
you wanna know what makes a game a world of shicraft clone?
the fact that its an everquest clone in the first place >_<
funny fact: those asian game developer (in my opinion) only know of wos (world of shitcraft) and its great success - millions of players filling up blizzard's pockets, and they want to copy it and achieve the same success, for some reason its not happening, so far i have played a few types of MMOs:
1. wow - world of shitcraft
2. wow clones - allods, earth eternal, talisman online, etc.
3. different systems, that due to lack of budget cant achieve the same as blizzard
4. Dungeons and Dragons Online - for some reason thats the only game tha doesnt copy anything, it has a long history behind it and from what ive seen it has mature players, not some wow fankids (you might wanna argue with that?
my cousins are both brats - 4 of them and they group up at one's house and play all day and night, they are addicted like hell, sometimes i just want to beath the shit out of them) so, overall: wow clones are the ones (IMO) that try to achieve the same success, but eventually fail to
you wanna know what makes a game a world of shicraft clone? the fact that its an everquest clone in the first place >_< funny fact: those asian game developer (in my opinion) only know of wos (world of shitcraft) and its great success - millions of players filling up blizzard's pockets, and they want to copy it and achieve the same success, for some reason its not happening, so far i have played a few types of MMOs: 1. wow - world of shitcraft 2. wow clones - allods, earth eternal, talisman online, etc. 3. different systems, that due to lack of budget cant achieve the same as blizzard 4. Dungeons and Dragons Online - for some reason thats the only game tha doesnt copy anything, it has a long history behind it and from what ive seen it has mature players, not some wow fankids (you might wanna argue with that? my cousins are both brats - 4 of them and they group up at one's house and play all day and night, they are addicted like hell, sometimes i just want to beath the shit out of them) so, overall: wow clones are the ones (IMO) that try to achieve the same success, but eventually fail to
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Well the important thing to keep in my mind is you are just playing a game and therfore you are alot of things but leet and uber are not them. The hardest part about raiding is tolerating the other people. raiding is the worst feature ever added to mmos. The addition of raiding in my opinion has killed what used to be more social games and not about raising to get the best polish on your epeen.
How is killing the lich king make you leet? Honestly get over yourself. So a group of 10 or 25 guys managed to sick together for x weeks to finally kill the lich king. WoW is easymode MMO.
That is the greattest retort I have seen to one of the oldest Internet Forum sayings in internet history. "Winning an argument on the internet is like winning the special olympics..etc etc..
Kudos
Please try the trial of Darkfall online. This sounds right up your ally dude. Game is nasty open world PVP that gets your adrenaline pumping like no other MMO has since AC and UO. Darkfall Online -- Best MMO PVP game on the market.
I'm pumped for this... To all you QQing fanbois out there.. Go find something creditable to cry about. Everyone always has something negative to say about WoW. I have played since release and yes they have had their ups and downs.. But all in all blizzard has done a great job with WoW and I'm more then happy....
Gaming community: IRONFIST
New World: Lilith - US East
WoW Guild: IRONFIST <Burning Legion> Alliance(We transferred to Illidan)
WoW Guild: IRONFIST <Illidan> Horde
SWOTR: IRONFIST <Satele Shan> Empire/Republic
true fanboi. Go play a real MMO like eq2 then talk about how hard raiding is. Wow is a joke. I play wow when I want to watch TV and veg out. I cleared 3 drakes while watching golden girls reruns and 5 boxing shamans in WSG. And I was drake tank. Hell, the starting mobs in Darkfall online in the noob areas are harder to kill then 95% of the PVE content in WoW. Yes the goblin shamans will F you up.
First off he never said Leet..and yes wow is easy mode to level because the real fun or challenge is top tier gaming..not 5 mans but the 10s and 25s.
Im sure you never did any of the end game content where it really is harder to do. leveling is simple but icc 25 is not.
I have to admit, these changes aren't the best. I mean, part of WoW was being unable to train without the heavy utility skills that end-game talents offer.
I MUST agree with Shaman's changes though. Before, ALL Enhancement Shaman's skills were mid-game or end-game. People had to grind to 40 with only Earth Shock.
in a 25 man one person that does not know the fight or where to be can wipe an entire raid. If you look at another MMO say...LOTRO, all you really need is the equipment so you dont get one shotted. And not to mention the grind for traits. But i digress...if you have never played the endgame and yet you make assumptions based on your lack of knowledge then some one with knowledge will never convince you. WoW is not for every one and I realize that, but to make a blanket statement on content when you have never experienced it is beyond me.
I think the real fun is what you make of it...
As far as WoW being the easymode MMO... Sure its easy. But hard does not = fun. Easy does not = fun. Hard does not = better. Easy does not = better.
So many people try to quantify the quality of the game based on its difficulty. Play the game that you enjoy and quit the QQing. There is no reason to be so butt hurt over WoW.
Fail, as usual. Move on...
I'd like to have my epeen polished.
Love it! Great to see major changes to improve and clean up the talent trees. So many things are boring and are to picked just to get to the next tier. All these people yapping about "the problem with WoW is..." are fools and wouldn't even be posting here if they weren't still interested in WoW. Blizzard has you by the balls whether you like it or not. Go whine elsewhere, maybe in the forum for whatever game you're pretending to like more.
I have played the endgame and it does take skill, but yes if one person messes up then it is a wipe. That is really the main reason why it is hard. endgame is really where the challenge of the game is.
I don't like this AT ALL - I had always spread my points across the trees right from the start to get a more rounded character - now I don't even get a chance to pick the other 2 trees until the first is full - what MORON came up with this idea!?!?- obviously the same one who's been dumbing down everything in the game for the last two or so years (like pet training). I stopped subscribing many months ago because it was getting too simplistic and what little enjoyment that was to be had by certain complexities in the game are being chipped away with every patch - I was going to resub with Cataclysm - now I'm not so sure....
DEFINITION OF REALITY: Graphics ok, Sound ok, Gold drops need more work...
I'd rather have seen them add 200 more talents and only 20 come out seeming 'useful' to hardcore players than them just streamline it.
Why not at level 1 let me choose the Fire Path for mage and let me feel the po'wah of fi'wah right away'wah?
I kill other players because they're smarter than AI, sometimes.
What is the deal with MMORPG.net never posting links to the original article?
I fail to see how this makes anything better. Besides only being able to level down one tree until it's full seems like it's taking a lot of the customization of the classes out until much later in the game. take the "lame" talents out, fine whatever, but why force people to play one way until much later in the game? I know this is supposed to be a game changing expansion but this just has the stench of the NGE all over it.
I don't know about you guys, but...do you see any dual spec options in that screenshot? Are they doing away with the dual speccing?
Actually I was the same way when I played WoW, I spread myself around on the tables to get an easier leveling spec or what I wanted to focus on. They pretty much have turned on the blinders and I am not sure why. I mean there was a purpose behind it, just not seeing one that would make me want to devote a spec. I can't imagine trying to be a rogue without getting some crit help while I level, meh best of luck WoW crowd.
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I've not seen anything offical on this, but from what I heard it's still in there.
I kill other players because they're smarter than AI, sometimes.
you wanna know what makes a game a world of shicraft clone?
the fact that its an everquest clone in the first place >_<
funny fact: those asian game developer (in my opinion) only know of wos (world of shitcraft) and its great success - millions of players filling up blizzard's pockets, and they want to copy it and achieve the same success, for some reason its not happening, so far i have played a few types of MMOs:
1. wow - world of shitcraft
2. wow clones - allods, earth eternal, talisman online, etc.
3. different systems, that due to lack of budget cant achieve the same as blizzard
4. Dungeons and Dragons Online - for some reason thats the only game tha doesnt copy anything, it has a long history behind it and from what ive seen it has mature players, not some wow fankids (you might wanna argue with that?
my cousins are both brats - 4 of them and they group up at one's house and play all day and night, they are addicted like hell, sometimes i just want to beath the shit out of them) so, overall: wow clones are the ones (IMO) that try to achieve the same success, but eventually fail to
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i was using the quck form, i will change it, im new to this mmorpg.com and i didnt knew, also i couldnt find my post
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