You guys are missing a big part of why it would be stupid to have swimming and jumping to allow you to go anywhere.
In FFXI the next zone will kill you.....in FFXI the last zone will still kill you. This game has similar mechanics to FFXI, if you agro a mob it will chase you off the map...it won't stop after 10 ft. it will chase you and kill you, then your 4 buddies and the group that tried to heal your tank. get the point? This is a group oriented game, Mobs are designed to be tough for a group to take out just like FFXI.
If you aren't on a Chocobo or way overleveled you are partying and thus supporting your allies there is no real place for solo exploration outside of farming mats or discrete quests.
Trust me you won't miss jumping or swimming in this game, it isn't designed for it....not even a little bit.
@ Xavierxx ??? wtf seriously, U think SE is being lazy? SE have poured an insane amount of resources into this game. Probably more than almost any other launch to date. Is that lazy?
yea the only game that might beat it money wise is the new bioware mmo
You guys are missing a big part of why it would be stupid to have swimming and jumping to allow you to go anywhere.
In FFXI the next zone will kill you.....in FFXI the last zone will still kill you. This game has similar mechanics to FFXI, if you agro a mob it will chase you off the map...it won't stop after 10 ft. it will chase you and kill you, then your 4 buddies and the group that tried to heal your tank. get the point? This is a group oriented game, Mobs are designed to be tough for a group to take out just like FFXI.
If you aren't on a Chocobo or way overleveled you are partying and thus supporting your allies there is no real place for solo exploration outside of farming mats or discrete quests.
Trust me you won't miss jumping or swimming in this game, it isn't designed for it....not even a little bit.
I bet this game is gonna be way easier than ff11 (solo-wise) , way wayyyy. Just my belief. maybe wrong, but i think se know if it want s the high sub numbers it got to make it solo friendly (Yuck).
I don't disagree with the no jumping swiming as long as control of my charater is smooth and fluid, if its like most asian and new triple A us mmos and jerking and not fluid , im gonna care.
The requirement of HAVE to have swimmign becuase its there is logical as saying well we need air combat becuase its there and while heck , need space combat too then son. Where does it stop. Don't ask me.
Honestly we get why se doesn't allow these thing its to limit your movement to a fixed path. Some people don't like this, i don't care.
But lets be honest and not say this is a GOOD thing or A BAD thing. It doesn't make it more FF or Less FF. It makes it more linear Some like this, when defending no swimming and jumping they should respond i like linear games so im happy. People who don't should say i don't like linear games so im unhappy. Additionally, if your movement code and artifical boundry system is strogn you can have both of these and still keep it linear. It is poosible that Ff14s movement system or boundries were not design for or weak and easily exploited by jumping. I personally feel that they probably just wanted a linear game and avoided coding many Z axises this way. That pretty logical too me. (This is a good thing as logn as a somewhat linear game is alright with you). And honestly it doesn't look that linear as far as i have seen. More so becuase of how instanced it is.
I know, what the samurai is defending no jumpingn / swiming, but my pirate blood lust said he was the enemy.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
You guys are missing a big part of why it would be stupid to have swimming and jumping to allow you to go anywhere.
In FFXI the next zone will kill you.....in FFXI the last zone will still kill you. This game has similar mechanics to FFXI, if you agro a mob it will chase you off the map...it won't stop after 10 ft. it will chase you and kill you, then your 4 buddies and the group that tried to heal your tank. get the point? This is a group oriented game, Mobs are designed to be tough for a group to take out just like FFXI.
If you aren't on a Chocobo or way overleveled you are partying and thus supporting your allies there is no real place for solo exploration outside of farming mats or discrete quests.
Trust me you won't miss jumping or swimming in this game, it isn't designed for it....not even a little bit.
I bet this game is gonna be way easier than ff11 (solo-wise) , way wayyyy. Just my belief. maybe wrong, but i think se know if it want s the high sub numbers it got to make it solo friendly (Yuck).
I don't disagree with the no jumping swiming as long as control of my charater is smooth and fluid, if its like most asian and new triple A us mmos and jerking and not fluid , im gonna care.
The requirement of HAVE to have swimmign becuase its there is logical as saying well we need air combat becuase its there and while heck , need space combat too then son. Where does it stop. Don't ask me.
Honestly we get why se doesn't allow these thing its to limit your movement to a fixed path. Some people don't like this, i don't care.
But lets be honest and not say this is a GOOD thing or A BAD thing. It doesn't make it more FF or Less FF. It makes it more linear Some like this, when defending no swimming and jumping they should respond i like linear games so im happy. People who don't should say i don't like linear games so im unhappy. Additionally, if your movement code and artifical boundry system is strogn you can have both of these and still keep it linear. It is poosible that Ff14s movement system or boundries were not design for or weak and easily exploited by jumping. I personally feel that they probably just wanted a linear game and avoided coding many Z axises this way. That pretty logical too me. (This is a good thing as logn as a somewhat linear game is alright with you). And honestly it doesn't look that linear as far as i have seen. More so becuase of how instanced it it.
o yea its goign to be easyer than 11 but Not as easy as most mmos coming out these days i would say 60% as hard as 11 rough guess. ffxi wasnt really linear tho..
The point is its just rediculous in a game nowadays for you not to be able to jump or swim.Its about immersion. Whether it has any purpose or not, it feels nice when you have full control of your character. And how does it kill immersion? Are you serious? Hmm i wonder how being rooted to the ground 24/7 and running smack into an invisible wall whenever you hit water could kill immersion...
no final fantasy game has swiming or jumping get that threw your head the ff mmos are Fianl fantasy games FIRST and MMOS second.
if you dont like it go play all the other mmos that let you jump like a damn monkey. in ffxi your eally didnt hit a wall you could stillw lak in the water that you could get to but must water was below where you could wlak so you just get stuck on the edges instead.
like this i guess 7--- top of the 7 is the ground the middle is the water
in the dunes there was a way to get itnot he water and go around the cliff tot he other side while you was under water
Hehe, it looks like people are grasping at more useless crap to complain about today. I am gald we won't have the jumping goons in the game. As far as swimming goes, meh it's a minor perk at best. If the game play and design don't call for swimming then you really need to just move on to another game. I appreciate the concerns, but it's not gonna make a lick of difference with the SE folks. Down the road if they implement something, then super. For now, it is hardly the most important concern. Solid environment, leveling, and growth experiences are much higher on the importance level.
Side note, if you are really needing swimming in a game to have "immersion" then you might be disappointed with many games in the MMO genre.
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Its hard for me to fathom what kind of person believes this is acceptable. These are basic mechanics that have been in games for years, infact very few games do not have them let alone those that call themselves next gen. Your shameless attitude about discluding people for the fact that they jump is a peer into your persona.
Thats fine if you choose to live in a world where your abilities are limited, by your post I can clearly see your thought process is on point with that. I do believe that you are one of the negative forces that to blame for mmo's kind of de evolving. I never planned on playing FF because I always thought it was kind of feminine, and not sexy feminine, like 8 year old feminine, so hey no loss over here.
final fantasy games never have had jumping or swiming 10 did but thats the only one i remeber but it never had jumping. ffxiv is a final fantasy game first and mmo second GET OVER IT SE ISNT GOIING TO CHANGE THIER MIND
its because its linear no one sQQing about he lack of jump or swim in it. and SE already said ther enot going to use that design again. it was there first HD rpg
Just as a point of contention , FF 12 was their first HD rpg. Just becuase the ps2 couldn't handle very HD doesn't mean it was not HD. PCSX2 plays this game very HD and clean. FF12 itself was high def but the ps2 was not. And there for you ninjas and pirates is a bit of information why consoles are bad for you, they hardly progress and often inhibit. Oh and HD is anything 480p even tho its really bad HD i would agree its not HD, thast why i run my FF12 on 1920x1200 yeah yeah.
Ff13 had way better textures but believe me ff12 looks great on my comp.
But lets just take this statement and break it down.
A poster eariler stated something to the effect they already made a great mmo (ff11) and blahg blah this game (ff14) will be good too boom something.
Well lots off FFs have been made but 13 was pretty bad and it was very linear. So what does that teach us? That just becuase the name of a company and some staff have done something good previously doesn't mean they will this time also. Look at mythic if more evidence of this is needed.
Also note how easily you wrote this off as not a big deal. Seems like a pretty big deal to me, they made a bad game ... its bad. Id honestly say that ff12 was bad (i like the story) I didn't like have all of 20 weapons the entire game. That is my opinion, but i find if ff14 is bad it will take some people a while to realize it becuase it must be good, and some will like it. But that doesn't mean you get to rationalize its failures or any games failures, becuase its behind us now and never could happen agian in the future.
Oh ps Why is SE listening to those whiners about linear game play, SE shouldn't conform to the whiners and make the next ten ff games even more linear than ff13; go SE.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
o yea its goign to be easyer than 11 but Not as easy as most mmos coming out these days i would say 60% as hard as 11 rough guess. ffxi wasnt really linear tho..
Yeah you could be right it may not be about it being linear but just not dealign with z boundries, which is not a "game breaker" at all.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
What people seem to forget is that little word called choice, and this is on both sides of the argument. So with that said, the argument stating that all games should have the swim/jump mechanic you have just taken a Dev's choice and for those that could care less or really do not want it, you have taken it away from them. And yes same thing the other way around, but you have to work with what you have, if you chose to play the game then you will have to work around the fact that the mechanic is not present, it is fine for you to want the mechanic but then again why do you want everything to be the same? Let me use a quick comparison if you have phone A (lets say its an IPhone) and phone B (lets say its a Droid) why should they have the same exact thing on them? That would make the same phone, and therefore you have just taken the choice away from some one that wanted phone A over phone B or vise versa. I do not want everything to be the same I want different and because I chose to be different that makes me backward/outdated in accordance to your ideas?
I am not saying you are wrong for wanting the mechanic to be part of it, all I am saying is that you are wrong in saying that everyone else is wrong because they do not care if it is there or not. They chose to accept it as it is, this does not make them backwards or wrong because of it. I do not mind that you have this as an opinion at all, and I have my opinion and while I agree in some of what you said I do not agree how you put it forth saying that your way is right and everyone elses is wrong.
The point is its just rediculous in a game nowadays for you not to be able to jump or swim.Its about immersion. Whether it has any purpose or not, it feels nice when you have full control of your character. And how does it kill immersion? Are you serious? Hmm i wonder how being rooted to the ground 24/7 and running smack into an invisible wall whenever you hit water could kill immersion...
no final fantasy game has swiming or jumping get that threw your head the ff mmos are Fianl fantasy games FIRST and MMOS second.
if you dont like it go play all the other mmos that let you jump like a damn monkey. in ffxi your eally didnt hit a wall you could stillw lak in the water that you could get to but must water was below where you could wlak so you just get stuck on the edges instead.
like this i guess 7--- top of the 7 is the ground the middle is the water
in the dunes there was a way to get itnot he water and go around the cliff tot he other side while you was under water
Hehe, it looks like people are grasping at more useless crap to complain about today. I am gald we won't have the jumping goons in the game. As far as swimming goes, meh it's a minor perk at best. If the game play and design don't call for swimming then you really need to just move on to another game. I appreciate the concerns, but it's not gonna make a lick of difference with the SE folks. Down the road if they implement something, then super. For now, it is hardly the most important concern. Solid environment, leveling, and growth experiences are much higher on the importance level.
Side note, if you are really needing swimming in a game to have "immersion" then you might be disappointed with many games in the MMO genre.
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Its hard for me to fathom what kind of person believes this is acceptable. These are basic mechanics that have been in games for years, infact very few games do not have them let alone those that call themselves next gen. Your shameless attitude about discluding people for the fact that they jump is a peer into your persona.
Thats fine if you choose to live in a world where your abilities are limited, by your post I can clearly see your thought process is on point with that. I do believe that you are one of the negative forces that to blame for mmo's kind of de evolving. I never planned on playing FF because I always thought it was kind of feminine, and not sexy feminine, like 8 year old feminine, so hey no loss over here.
final fantasy games never have had jumping or swiming 10 did but thats the only one i remeber but it never had jumping. ffxiv is a final fantasy game first and mmo second GET OVER IT SE ISNT GOIING TO CHANGE THIER MIND
the whole stage is jumping, im not gonna list the ffxii stuff to.
i don't care if it's in the new or not but let keep the facts straight, stop using lies to post bs it's getting old.
you know very well thats not the kind of jumping im talking about. there nothing saying ff14 wont have something like that. people are bitching about not having wow style jumping
PLEASE Square Enix add Swimming to Final Fantasy 1, 2,3,4 and 5 so I can swim to the other continents! I hate waiting to get a boat its so annoying! Please in WoW there's swimming so FF1,2,3,4 and 5 should have it too
its because its linear no one sQQing about he lack of jump or swim in it. and SE already said ther enot going to use that design again. it was there first HD rpg
Just as a point of contention , FF 12 was their first HD rpg. Just becuase the ps2 couldn't handle very HD doesn't mean it was not HD. PCSX2 plays this game very HD and clean. FF12 itself was high def but the ps2 was not. And there for you ninjas and pirates is a bit of information why consoles are bad for you, they hardly progress and often inhibit. Oh and HD is anything 480p even tho its really bad HD i would agree its not HD, thast why i run my FF12 on 1920x1200 yeah yeah.
Ff13 had way better textures but believe me ff12 looks great on my comp.
But lets just take this statement and break it down.
A poster eariler stated something to the effect they already made a great mmo (ff11) and blahg blah this game (ff14) will be good too boom something.
Well lots off FFs have been made but 13 was pretty bad and it was very linear. So what does that teach us? That just becuase the name of a company and some staff have done something good previously doesn't mean they will this time also. Look at mythic if more evidence of this is needed.
Also note how easily you wrote this off as not a big deal. Seems like a pretty big deal to me, they made a bad game ... its bad. Id honestly say that ff12 was bad (i like the story) I didn't like have all of 20 weapons the entire game. That is my opinion, but i find if ff14 is bad it will take some people a while to realize it becuase it must be good, and some will like it. But that doesn't mean you get to rationalize its failures or any games failures, becuase its behind us now and never could happen agian in the future.
Oh ps Why is SE listening to those whiners about linear game play, SE shouldn't conform to the whiners and make the next ten ff games even more linear than ff13; go SE.
13 does open up at chapter 10. but yea 13 was kinda a test game i think ff versus 13 will be diffrent made by a diffrent team
I don't know why peopel even waste their time talking about these games that have not come out yet LOL. What you all do actually makes me angry because it just destroys the game community. There always some HUGGEEEE topic on these stupid f.ucking games that havent come out yet, arguments, praise and all sorts of trash. And then we ALL KNOW whats going to happen when it comes out. Its gonna be more huge threads of "Why can't we fly" "Why can't we swim" Why can't we jump" "Why can't we climb trees" "Why can't we raise babies and have them grow with our characters". Its POINTLESS. You people even praising the game are actually ruining it. Hyping it up. This game will end up like all other games, Whined about its imperfections and given low rating on every site you go to and people talking about leaving this game and being dissapointed. Its a damn shame. Maybe if people just wait for the game to come out and try it out and then make these threads things would be alright because there would be some true game experience and facts.
and for people that don't want jumping and swimming in the game, that doesn't mean it shouldn't be implemented. INSTEAD SAY TO YOURSELF "If there is jumping, swimming, and flying in the game like superman I will NOT use it." There should be some way Sony can make players who don't want to jump and swim and fly like superman play without any of those options. That way everyone elses who wants to fly like superman, jump into the clouds and swim do as they wish and don't, B**** about it. Who actually would not use swimming and jumping in the game if it was implemented? You guys act as if there was jumping and swimming in the game you woulnd't be all in the water and jumping around. Knowing DAMN well your gonna be swimming in circles and jumping around peoples characters.
The point is its just rediculous in a game nowadays for you not to be able to jump or swim.Its about immersion. Whether it has any purpose or not, it feels nice when you have full control of your character. And how does it kill immersion? Are you serious? Hmm i wonder how being rooted to the ground 24/7 and running smack into an invisible wall whenever you hit water could kill immersion...
no final fantasy game has swiming or jumping get that threw your head the ff mmos are Fianl fantasy games FIRST and MMOS second.
if you dont like it go play all the other mmos that let you jump like a damn monkey. in ffxi your eally didnt hit a wall you could stillw lak in the water that you could get to but must water was below where you could wlak so you just get stuck on the edges instead.
like this i guess 7--- top of the 7 is the ground the middle is the water
in the dunes there was a way to get itnot he water and go around the cliff tot he other side while you was under water
Hehe, it looks like people are grasping at more useless crap to complain about today. I am gald we won't have the jumping goons in the game. As far as swimming goes, meh it's a minor perk at best. If the game play and design don't call for swimming then you really need to just move on to another game. I appreciate the concerns, but it's not gonna make a lick of difference with the SE folks. Down the road if they implement something, then super. For now, it is hardly the most important concern. Solid environment, leveling, and growth experiences are much higher on the importance level.
Side note, if you are really needing swimming in a game to have "immersion" then you might be disappointed with many games in the MMO genre.
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~V
Its hard for me to fathom what kind of person believes this is acceptable. These are basic mechanics that have been in games for years, infact very few games do not have them let alone those that call themselves next gen. Your shameless attitude about discluding people for the fact that they jump is a peer into your persona.
Thats fine if you choose to live in a world where your abilities are limited, by your post I can clearly see your thought process is on point with that. I do believe that you are one of the negative forces that to blame for mmo's kind of de evolving. I never planned on playing FF because I always thought it was kind of feminine, and not sexy feminine, like 8 year old feminine, so hey no loss over here.
final fantasy games never have had jumping or swiming 10 did but thats the only one i remeber but it never had jumping. ffxiv is a final fantasy game first and mmo second GET OVER IT SE ISNT GOIING TO CHANGE THIER MIND
the whole stage is jumping, im not gonna list the ffxii stuff to.
i don't care if it's in the new or not but let keep the facts straight, stop using lies to post bs it's getting old.
you know very well thats not the kind of jumping im talking about. there nothing saying ff14 wont have something like that. people are bitching about not having wow style jumping
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yea the only game that might beat it money wise is the new bioware mmo
I bet this game is gonna be way easier than ff11 (solo-wise) , way wayyyy. Just my belief. maybe wrong, but i think se know if it want s the high sub numbers it got to make it solo friendly (Yuck).
I don't disagree with the no jumping swiming as long as control of my charater is smooth and fluid, if its like most asian and new triple A us mmos and jerking and not fluid , im gonna care.
The requirement of HAVE to have swimmign becuase its there is logical as saying well we need air combat becuase its there and while heck , need space combat too then son. Where does it stop. Don't ask me.
Honestly we get why se doesn't allow these thing its to limit your movement to a fixed path. Some people don't like this, i don't care.
But lets be honest and not say this is a GOOD thing or A BAD thing. It doesn't make it more FF or Less FF. It makes it more linear Some like this, when defending no swimming and jumping they should respond i like linear games so im happy. People who don't should say i don't like linear games so im unhappy. Additionally, if your movement code and artifical boundry system is strogn you can have both of these and still keep it linear. It is poosible that Ff14s movement system or boundries were not design for or weak and easily exploited by jumping. I personally feel that they probably just wanted a linear game and avoided coding many Z axises this way. That pretty logical too me. (This is a good thing as logn as a somewhat linear game is alright with you). And honestly it doesn't look that linear as far as i have seen. More so becuase of how instanced it is.
I know, what the samurai is defending no jumpingn / swiming, but my pirate blood lust said he was the enemy.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
o yea its goign to be easyer than 11 but Not as easy as most mmos coming out these days i would say 60% as hard as 11 rough guess. ffxi wasnt really linear tho..
you just don't learn so here's some help.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkRJZn3q-FA&feature=related
heres a bonus to from ff7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtfqqNFGKuc
the whole stage is jumping, im not gonna list the ffxii stuff to.
i don't care if it's in the new or not but let keep the facts straight, stop using lies to post bs it's getting old.
Just as a point of contention , FF 12 was their first HD rpg. Just becuase the ps2 couldn't handle very HD doesn't mean it was not HD. PCSX2 plays this game very HD and clean. FF12 itself was high def but the ps2 was not. And there for you ninjas and pirates is a bit of information why consoles are bad for you, they hardly progress and often inhibit. Oh and HD is anything 480p even tho its really bad HD i would agree its not HD, thast why i run my FF12 on 1920x1200 yeah yeah.
Ff13 had way better textures but believe me ff12 looks great on my comp.
But lets just take this statement and break it down.
A poster eariler stated something to the effect they already made a great mmo (ff11) and blahg blah this game (ff14) will be good too boom something.
Well lots off FFs have been made but 13 was pretty bad and it was very linear. So what does that teach us? That just becuase the name of a company and some staff have done something good previously doesn't mean they will this time also. Look at mythic if more evidence of this is needed.
Also note how easily you wrote this off as not a big deal. Seems like a pretty big deal to me, they made a bad game ... its bad. Id honestly say that ff12 was bad (i like the story) I didn't like have all of 20 weapons the entire game. That is my opinion, but i find if ff14 is bad it will take some people a while to realize it becuase it must be good, and some will like it. But that doesn't mean you get to rationalize its failures or any games failures, becuase its behind us now and never could happen agian in the future.
Oh ps Why is SE listening to those whiners about linear game play, SE shouldn't conform to the whiners and make the next ten ff games even more linear than ff13; go SE.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
Yeah you could be right it may not be about it being linear but just not dealign with z boundries, which is not a "game breaker" at all.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
What people seem to forget is that little word called choice, and this is on both sides of the argument. So with that said, the argument stating that all games should have the swim/jump mechanic you have just taken a Dev's choice and for those that could care less or really do not want it, you have taken it away from them. And yes same thing the other way around, but you have to work with what you have, if you chose to play the game then you will have to work around the fact that the mechanic is not present, it is fine for you to want the mechanic but then again why do you want everything to be the same? Let me use a quick comparison if you have phone A (lets say its an IPhone) and phone B (lets say its a Droid) why should they have the same exact thing on them? That would make the same phone, and therefore you have just taken the choice away from some one that wanted phone A over phone B or vise versa. I do not want everything to be the same I want different and because I chose to be different that makes me backward/outdated in accordance to your ideas?
I am not saying you are wrong for wanting the mechanic to be part of it, all I am saying is that you are wrong in saying that everyone else is wrong because they do not care if it is there or not. They chose to accept it as it is, this does not make them backwards or wrong because of it. I do not mind that you have this as an opinion at all, and I have my opinion and while I agree in some of what you said I do not agree how you put it forth saying that your way is right and everyone elses is wrong.
you know very well thats not the kind of jumping im talking about. there nothing saying ff14 wont have something like that. people are bitching about not having wow style jumping
PLEASE Square Enix add Swimming to Final Fantasy 1, 2,3,4 and 5 so I can swim to the other continents! I hate waiting to get a boat its so annoying! Please in WoW there's swimming so FF1,2,3,4 and 5 should have it too
13 does open up at chapter 10. but yea 13 was kinda a test game i think ff versus 13 will be diffrent made by a diffrent team
I don't know why peopel even waste their time talking about these games that have not come out yet LOL. What you all do actually makes me angry because it just destroys the game community. There always some HUGGEEEE topic on these stupid f.ucking games that havent come out yet, arguments, praise and all sorts of trash. And then we ALL KNOW whats going to happen when it comes out. Its gonna be more huge threads of "Why can't we fly" "Why can't we swim" Why can't we jump" "Why can't we climb trees" "Why can't we raise babies and have them grow with our characters". Its POINTLESS. You people even praising the game are actually ruining it. Hyping it up. This game will end up like all other games, Whined about its imperfections and given low rating on every site you go to and people talking about leaving this game and being dissapointed. Its a damn shame. Maybe if people just wait for the game to come out and try it out and then make these threads things would be alright because there would be some true game experience and facts.
and for people that don't want jumping and swimming in the game, that doesn't mean it shouldn't be implemented. INSTEAD SAY TO YOURSELF "If there is jumping, swimming, and flying in the game like superman I will NOT use it." There should be some way Sony can make players who don't want to jump and swim and fly like superman play without any of those options. That way everyone elses who wants to fly like superman, jump into the clouds and swim do as they wish and don't, B**** about it. Who actually would not use swimming and jumping in the game if it was implemented? You guys act as if there was jumping and swimming in the game you woulnd't be all in the water and jumping around. Knowing DAMN well your gonna be swimming in circles and jumping around peoples characters.
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lol i give up it's jus silly now.