Its been quite a while since I have played wow, but iirc there should be a option under settings to censor text in the game. There is also the option of parental control under account settings, not sure if that covers censorship of in-game text as well.
"If" these options exist, why don't parents be responsible and set them for their children. "If" these options did work, then the only other issue would be the chat window being spammed with asterisks for censored words. This don't take care of the non-censored spam in chat, though as I understand it, that wasn't what all the fuss was about anyway.
So much hate. And all for what? I wonder. I can understand hate for single people when I have a quarrel with them. But hating people for race, gender, orientation... Who can one hate an entire group of people? And how can such things be regarded as fun? I just don't understand that.
I guess some people can't be reasoned with. To the benefit of Blizzard I can say, I guess it is difficult to control 11 million gamers on all the many servers 24/7. Word filters alone won't work, you need to read the context, because otherwise gay friendly guilds would no be able to exist, like the issue was some years ago with Blizzard. So an issue can be judged only reading it all. Also, I guess it is virtually impossible to keep a 15 year old boy away from the "reality" of hate in our society. I understand the parent's reaction, but ultimately he can't shelter him forever. Teaching kid mature reactions and sensible ways to deal with these topics is much needed, unless you isolate your kid in a cellar or defy technology like the Amish.
It's difficult. But we all need to be more alert and speak up. As Martin Luther King said: "In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends." Word I myself have found too often all too true. People don't speak up when it matters, when hate, racism and homophobia arise. Instead they are silent, thinking, hey I am white and straight, what should I care. Gladly, some do care, like this father, and if I had kids I would have done the same, as unfortunate as it is.
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I love the Wowwiki entry for the Moon Guard Goldshire Inn
"Moon Guard is known as having a highly active roleplaying community. The district known as Goldshire, however, is infamous for having the largest ERP community around. The Lion's Pride Inn is usually populated with strippers, and so the word "inn" is commonly replaced with "brothel" when referring to Goldshire. It also features daily raids by the opposing Horde players (though sometimes they will visit as guests)."
On the positive note, this looks to be one of the few truly active open world PVP conflicts in WoW. The Horde invades Goldshire in order to get to the strippers gnomish hookers and cyber freakiness. WHO SAYS WOW DOESN'T HAVE PVP WITH CONSEQUENCES?!?!?!
Meh, seeing that in his post he claims that he had parental controls set up on the kid's account, it's safe to assume that the father pays for his subscription. If this is true, then in my opinion he has the right to do whatever the hell he wants with his son's account. If he wanted, he could log in and delete all his kid's characters for giggles because technically, it's the father's account.
Not to say that I really agree with the father sheltering the kid (especially since he's 15), but until the kid starts paying his own subscription, the dad can do whatever he wants to his games. End of story.
On the positive note, this looks to be one of the few truly active open world PVP conflicts in WoW. The Horde invades Goldshire in order to get to the strippers gnomish hookers and cyber freakiness. WHO SAYS WOW DOESN'T HAVE PVP WITH CONSEQUENCES?!?!?!
First off, it's an RP server, meaning all pvp must be consensual, therefore if the horde does decide to attack, chances are that there will be ZERO people tagged for pvp in the inn, so saying that goldshire is an open world pvp zone on moon guard is simply not true.
Secondly, if someone were to be flagged for pvp and killed, the consequence would at most be a quick run back to the corpse from the graveyard that's something like 50 yards away and a quick /pvp command to unflag himself.
If they cleaned up all the filth in this game by banning players, Blizzard would go bankrupt. I have seen it all, from just blatant foulness to pedophiles trolling for sex. The world is a nasty place and that includes the World of Warcraft. I stay out of general and trade, not because I am personally offended but because there is a lack of much that is meaningful. Crudeness just becomes boring. I can honesly say that MMOs bring out the worst in some people. Total anonymity = total lack of accountability. It is what it is and people are what they are. Unfortunately most are twits.
Meh, seeing that in his post he claims that he had parental controls set up on the kid's account...
" He's 15, and I've found him to be very trustworthy. We allow him access to play usually 1-2 hours a night, max, if he chooses."
I couldn't find anywhere on his post that said parental controls or using censorship on the account. He only knew where and how to ignore other players. The quote above also reads that he trusted his son enough not to enable parental controls or censorship.
For Moon Guard, this is pretty huge. Most RP folk I know on other servers are refugees from MG who found the server unplayable.
Personally, my first RP experience was on MG, as a human female, and well, five seconds after crossing the Inn's threshold I felt like I'd been raped. That toon was deleted and I never went back.
I'm not big on people like this father treating teenagers as if they haven't yet developed theory of mind, but it's always good to know that GMs will be out in force for any reason.
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Last I checked, a T rating meant 13 and up, so I don't think the parent is out of line for letting a 15 year old play a T-rated game.
I do think the parent is pushing it by posting a rant on the forums. There's a place to make these comments when you cancel. Creating a 14-page flamefest on the forums was, in my opinion, unnecessary. There are any number of ways to get the issue addressed, the dad could have used any of them and made his point and still gotten a satisfactory resolution. He chose to create unnecessary drama. Granted, the timing was brilliant: Blizzard seems to be in the mood to do what they can to make customers happy right now, but I'm not so sure I'd want the children in my life to learn that throwing a public temper tantrum is how you get things accomplished.
Does a 15-year-old boy not know about human sexuality yet? Does he not know that some people are racists or bigots or use language that, if used in real life, would probably get you punched in the face (as a disabled vet with a brain injury, I promise you that the use of the word 'retard' in front of me pretty much guarantees that whoever says it will be picking the remnants of their teeth off the ground)? Does he not know that some people just are not nice people and should probably be avoided or that life is not fair? That is a parenting problem, not a gaming publisher problem, and it's not Blizzard's or any other game publisher's responsibility to parent the children playing their games.
That being said...it is Blizzard's and other game publishers' responsibilities to enforce their TOS and Goldshire on Moonguard is freakin' horrible. I can't say I'm terribly upset to see Blizzard finally decide to do something about it.
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They just should make everyone use their REAL NAME as their character name, then all this stuff would never happen!
In all seriousness though, I think Blizz should think about implimenting an 18+ or Adult server so people can say what they want without fear of concerned parents trying to force people to act how they think people should act.
Wait, the kid is 15? Wow... Talk about overprotective father. I fear for the current generation of youngsters because of the coddling they get from their parents. These kids won't be able to survive the real world.
Wait, the kid is 15? Wow... Talk about overprotective father. I fear for the current generation of youngsters because of the coddling they get from their parents. These kids won't be able to survive the real world.
Don't worry they can all become "business majors" unable to relate to people nor do math. Ah, the banking industry is going to look even more fun next generation!
Bet that boy is well happy with his dad right now:) But seriously, it was only a matter of time until something like this hapened. Never played on that server myself, but we have all seen behavior like this. I am not a parent myself, but If I was so I would have a long hard think about letting my children experaince that kind of community. But as I said, I am not a parent so that's easy for me to be able say.
I'm a parent who plays some of these games, though I never did WoW. The sexist/racist thing is a sticking point for me, and I regularly report people who are saying things like this, in the games I do play. Not so much because of the fact that a child may be seeing it, most MMOs are rated M anyway, but because the same people doing these sort of things are the ones that you find out doing things like glitching, hacking, etc etc., generally. They think of themselves as above the law and above reproach, because they think they are so leet that no one can do anything about them. I for one would like to see more action on these sort of things, and by more I mean hard core. I bet all those leet 13 year olds will start paying attention when their account, or their friends account, is banned. Especially in multigaming communities where they lose not only access to the game at question but all games on that system.
Wait, the kid is 15? Wow... Talk about overprotective father. I fear for the current generation of youngsters because of the coddling they get from their parents. These kids won't be able to survive the real world.
So in your book a kid that does not know how to use profanity, being a racist, act like a homofobic, being demeening to women, etc is not going to survive in the real world?
And to be able to survive we should give em a course in these practices or expose them as much as possible to them?
Scary statement.
And also these parents are not "coddling", they are "raising" their kids with some norms and values that count for something.
Please think a bit before making statements like this, doesn't make you look smart.
I HAVE A BETTER SUGGESTION - DIVIDE SERVERS ON TWO:
1. FOR ADULTS
2. FOR KIDS
if the registered account if of a 14 year old brat, he is allowed to connect to this, this, this and this server, the other ones are restricted for players 18/21+
then they sort the lame stupid brats out, in the "Kindergarden" servers, and the REAL players play without noobs to quit on dungeons and raids and ruining the game in every other matter possible
Wait, the kid is 15? Wow... Talk about overprotective father. I fear for the current generation of youngsters because of the coddling they get from their parents. These kids won't be able to survive the real world.
So in your book a kid that does not know how to use profanity, being a racist, act like a homofobic, being demeening to women, etc is not going to survive in the real world?
And to be able to survive we should give em a course in these practices or expose them as much as possible to them?
Scary statement.
And also these parents are not "coddling", they are "raising" their kids with some norms and values that count for something.
Please think a bit before making statements like this, doesn't make you look smart.
talk about not read what people say, and the only thing IMHO he is raising is a moron who can't get pass certain kind of people and will throw random tantrums when things don't go his way, pretty much all the problems we have in our world today, but hey like I said before just lock his kid in his room and hope for the best
I think this ERP is the least to be worried about.
These are just a bunch of no-lifes that can't get any sex in real life and are confined to doing it virtually via some pixels on a screen and a wet cloth on their lap.
That father should create a character on any of the regular PVP servers. What is going on there in the global chats is far more worrying and shocking, then in that Inn. And it's going since day 1 of launch!
I made the biggest mistake 5 and half years ago to roll my first char on a PVP server in WoW (because a colleague was playing there) and I canceled my account within the first week already and left.
Luckily I tried a year later on a RP-PVP server (Scarshield Legion in EU btw) and had a blast of a time for over 2 years.
The RP servers in WoW are seriously one of the better servers to be honest. (Altho I think by now, 6 years after launch, all servers altogether in WoW have gone to hell, as Customer Service in WoW is among the worst and GM's have never done anything).
But all in all tho. It's really no secret that WoW has one of the worst gamer communities in the world.
They just should make everyone use their REAL NAME as their character name, then all this stuff would never happen!
In all seriousness though, I think Blizz should think about implimenting an 18+ or Adult server so people can say what they want without fear of concerned parents trying to force people to act how they think people should act.
yeah cuz hatred, discrimination, bashing anything you don't personally believe in, etc is perfectly awesome /sigh
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Wait, the kid is 15? Wow... Talk about overprotective father. I fear for the current generation of youngsters because of the coddling they get from their parents. These kids won't be able to survive the real world.
So in your book a kid that does not know how to use profanity, being a racist, act like a homofobic, being demeening to women, etc is not going to survive in the real world?
And to be able to survive we should give em a course in these practices or expose them as much as possible to them?
Scary statement.
And also these parents are not "coddling", they are "raising" their kids with some norms and values that count for something.
Please think a bit before making statements like this, doesn't make you look smart.
talk about not read what people say, and the only thing IMHO he is raising is a moron who can't get pass certain kind of people and will throw random tantrums when things don't go his way, pretty much all the problems we have in our world today, but hey like I said before just lock his kid in his room and hope for the best
Ok what did I not read what people say?
What could I possibly have misinterpreted from the post I quoted?
Again the father is raising his kid with certain norms and values which do not consist of the offensive stuff seen in the game. So he denies his kid access.
Where does this result in raising a moron, as you so elequantly put it?
Where does this result in raising a spoiled bratt who throws a tantrum whenever he doesn't get his way?
I only started gaming when I was wayyyyyyy older, I grew up in a small town and didn't get confronted with all this bs untill I was about 18 or so .... I can tell you I'm not a moron, nor am I spoiled.
He protects his kid from certain influences which he thinks could have a negative influence on the norms and values the kid is used to. Ofcourse the kid will encounter this crap at a certain point in his life, and at that point rest asured he will have a good knowledge of what is descent and what not and make up his mind at that point.
And maybe the kid can decide all this allready, but the dad decides not to confront him with it now ... and why the hell should he? To see if he's ready for the world?
You seem to have a Spartan look at how to raise kids ... throw them at the wolves at a young age and see if they're a man allready.
It is something that i agree should have been done six years ago. It is a shame it took so long. I hope that the QA department maintains the punishment records and such.
This is just lip-service by Blizzard. If they actually started enforcing the policy and suspended (and subsequently banned) the repeat offenders, they'd lose half their subscriber base...which I'd wager is something they are not willing to do. It's the same reason the gold sellers are still around, they have paid subs that Blizzard is making money off of.
Wait, the kid is 15? Wow... Talk about overprotective father. I fear for the current generation of youngsters because of the coddling they get from their parents. These kids won't be able to survive the real world.
So in your book a kid that does not know how to use profanity, being a racist, act like a homofobic, being demeening to women, etc is not going to survive in the real world?
And to be able to survive we should give em a course in these practices or expose them as much as possible to them?
Scary statement.
And also these parents are not "coddling", they are "raising" their kids with some norms and values that count for something.
Please think a bit before making statements like this, doesn't make you look smart.
talk about not read what people say, and the only thing IMHO he is raising is a moron who can't get pass certain kind of people and will throw random tantrums when things don't go his way, pretty much all the problems we have in our world today, but hey like I said before just lock his kid in his room and hope for the best
Ok what did I not read what people say?
What could I possibly have misinterpreted from the post I quoted?
Again the father is raising his kid with certain norms and values which do not consist of the offensive stuff seen in the game. So he denies his kid access.
Where does this result in raising a moron, as you so elequantly put it?
Where does this result in raising a spoiled bratt who throws a tantrum whenever he doesn't get his way?
I only started gaming when I was wayyyyyyy older, I grew up in a small town and didn't get confronted with all this bs untill I was about 18 or so .... I can tell you I'm not a moron, nor am I spoiled.
He protects his kid from certain influences which he thinks could have a negative influence on the norms and values the kid is used to. Ofcourse the kid will encounter this crap at a certain point in his life, and at that point rest asured he will have a good knowledge of what is descent and what not and make up his mind at that point.
And maybe the kid can decide all this allready, but the dad decides not to confront him with it now ... and why the hell should he? To see if he's ready for the world?
You seem to have a Spartan look at how to raise kids ... throw them at the wolves at a young age and see if they're a man allready.
Only one downside ... a bunch of those kids died.
he have 15 he is NOT a kid, myself I was studing and doing my things, with 14 I already have a part time job so I could buy things without I need to ask for money from my parents, but of course like me, same way like you started gamming MMOs after 18, MMos started for a more mature people, first because they can pay, second you have a lot less problems with that.
and like you said this parent don't want the problem to talk with his son, and why he should talk to him, right? its blizzard problem, no?;
same thing when I was a teacher, parents want the teacher to teach then how to behave because they don't want the problem, all the problem kids are parents who did not care to talk to his kids just bash then a like or bash the teacher because the damn moron can't get a good score
and that wolf part I wouldn't throw then to the wolfs, but sure thing I would teach then how to fight wolfs and any other dangerous things, even today only the strong survive
I can't help but feel a little sad to see Goldshire on Moonguard go. It's tradition to bring your friends who have never been for a good laugh at the freaks and creeps. I am a parent of 4, and a lifetime gamer. My kids play Wizard101 and Freerealms, because I would NEVER let them play a game with the kind of mature themes that WoW offers.
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wow.. it only took them 6 years to decide to moderate chat ingame, I'm impressed.
Its been quite a while since I have played wow, but iirc there should be a option under settings to censor text in the game. There is also the option of parental control under account settings, not sure if that covers censorship of in-game text as well.
"If" these options exist, why don't parents be responsible and set them for their children. "If" these options did work, then the only other issue would be the chat window being spammed with asterisks for censored words. This don't take care of the non-censored spam in chat, though as I understand it, that wasn't what all the fuss was about anyway.
Have fun playing Acto-Blizzard's game.
So much hate. And all for what? I wonder. I can understand hate for single people when I have a quarrel with them. But hating people for race, gender, orientation... Who can one hate an entire group of people? And how can such things be regarded as fun? I just don't understand that.
I guess some people can't be reasoned with. To the benefit of Blizzard I can say, I guess it is difficult to control 11 million gamers on all the many servers 24/7. Word filters alone won't work, you need to read the context, because otherwise gay friendly guilds would no be able to exist, like the issue was some years ago with Blizzard. So an issue can be judged only reading it all. Also, I guess it is virtually impossible to keep a 15 year old boy away from the "reality" of hate in our society. I understand the parent's reaction, but ultimately he can't shelter him forever. Teaching kid mature reactions and sensible ways to deal with these topics is much needed, unless you isolate your kid in a cellar or defy technology like the Amish.
It's difficult. But we all need to be more alert and speak up. As Martin Luther King said: "In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends." Word I myself have found too often all too true. People don't speak up when it matters, when hate, racism and homophobia arise. Instead they are silent, thinking, hey I am white and straight, what should I care. Gladly, some do care, like this father, and if I had kids I would have done the same, as unfortunate as it is.
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I love the Wowwiki entry for the Moon Guard Goldshire Inn
"Moon Guard is known as having a highly active roleplaying community. The district known as Goldshire, however, is infamous for having the largest ERP community around. The Lion's Pride Inn is usually populated with strippers, and so the word "inn" is commonly replaced with "brothel" when referring to Goldshire. It also features daily raids by the opposing Horde players (though sometimes they will visit as guests)."
On the positive note, this looks to be one of the few truly active open world PVP conflicts in WoW. The Horde invades Goldshire in order to get to the strippers gnomish hookers and cyber freakiness. WHO SAYS WOW DOESN'T HAVE PVP WITH CONSEQUENCES?!?!?!
Meh, seeing that in his post he claims that he had parental controls set up on the kid's account, it's safe to assume that the father pays for his subscription. If this is true, then in my opinion he has the right to do whatever the hell he wants with his son's account. If he wanted, he could log in and delete all his kid's characters for giggles because technically, it's the father's account.
Not to say that I really agree with the father sheltering the kid (especially since he's 15), but until the kid starts paying his own subscription, the dad can do whatever he wants to his games. End of story.
First off, it's an RP server, meaning all pvp must be consensual, therefore if the horde does decide to attack, chances are that there will be ZERO people tagged for pvp in the inn, so saying that goldshire is an open world pvp zone on moon guard is simply not true.
Secondly, if someone were to be flagged for pvp and killed, the consequence would at most be a quick run back to the corpse from the graveyard that's something like 50 yards away and a quick /pvp command to unflag himself.
It's totally blizzards fault and not the parents right?
The game rating that says, game rating may change online doesn't apply right?
If you don't want your kids seeing stuff like that, maybe you should watch them rather then let the computer babysit em.
I'm not saying what people were doing is okay, or NOT against the TOS.
But as I just said, Be a Parent.
If they cleaned up all the filth in this game by banning players, Blizzard would go bankrupt. I have seen it all, from just blatant foulness to pedophiles trolling for sex. The world is a nasty place and that includes the World of Warcraft. I stay out of general and trade, not because I am personally offended but because there is a lack of much that is meaningful. Crudeness just becomes boring. I can honesly say that MMOs bring out the worst in some people. Total anonymity = total lack of accountability. It is what it is and people are what they are. Unfortunately most are twits.
" He's 15, and I've found him to be very trustworthy. We allow him access to play usually 1-2 hours a night, max, if he chooses."
I couldn't find anywhere on his post that said parental controls or using censorship on the account. He only knew where and how to ignore other players. The quote above also reads that he trusted his son enough not to enable parental controls or censorship.
For Moon Guard, this is pretty huge. Most RP folk I know on other servers are refugees from MG who found the server unplayable.
Personally, my first RP experience was on MG, as a human female, and well, five seconds after crossing the Inn's threshold I felt like I'd been raped. That toon was deleted and I never went back.
I'm not big on people like this father treating teenagers as if they haven't yet developed theory of mind, but it's always good to know that GMs will be out in force for any reason.
Last I checked, a T rating meant 13 and up, so I don't think the parent is out of line for letting a 15 year old play a T-rated game.
I do think the parent is pushing it by posting a rant on the forums. There's a place to make these comments when you cancel. Creating a 14-page flamefest on the forums was, in my opinion, unnecessary. There are any number of ways to get the issue addressed, the dad could have used any of them and made his point and still gotten a satisfactory resolution. He chose to create unnecessary drama. Granted, the timing was brilliant: Blizzard seems to be in the mood to do what they can to make customers happy right now, but I'm not so sure I'd want the children in my life to learn that throwing a public temper tantrum is how you get things accomplished.
Does a 15-year-old boy not know about human sexuality yet? Does he not know that some people are racists or bigots or use language that, if used in real life, would probably get you punched in the face (as a disabled vet with a brain injury, I promise you that the use of the word 'retard' in front of me pretty much guarantees that whoever says it will be picking the remnants of their teeth off the ground)? Does he not know that some people just are not nice people and should probably be avoided or that life is not fair? That is a parenting problem, not a gaming publisher problem, and it's not Blizzard's or any other game publisher's responsibility to parent the children playing their games.
That being said...it is Blizzard's and other game publishers' responsibilities to enforce their TOS and Goldshire on Moonguard is freakin' horrible. I can't say I'm terribly upset to see Blizzard finally decide to do something about it.
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They just should make everyone use their REAL NAME as their character name, then all this stuff would never happen!
In all seriousness though, I think Blizz should think about implimenting an 18+ or Adult server so people can say what they want without fear of concerned parents trying to force people to act how they think people should act.
Wait, the kid is 15? Wow... Talk about overprotective father. I fear for the current generation of youngsters because of the coddling they get from their parents. These kids won't be able to survive the real world.
Don't worry they can all become "business majors" unable to relate to people nor do math. Ah, the banking industry is going to look even more fun next generation!
I'm a parent who plays some of these games, though I never did WoW. The sexist/racist thing is a sticking point for me, and I regularly report people who are saying things like this, in the games I do play. Not so much because of the fact that a child may be seeing it, most MMOs are rated M anyway, but because the same people doing these sort of things are the ones that you find out doing things like glitching, hacking, etc etc., generally. They think of themselves as above the law and above reproach, because they think they are so leet that no one can do anything about them. I for one would like to see more action on these sort of things, and by more I mean hard core. I bet all those leet 13 year olds will start paying attention when their account, or their friends account, is banned. Especially in multigaming communities where they lose not only access to the game at question but all games on that system.
So in your book a kid that does not know how to use profanity, being a racist, act like a homofobic, being demeening to women, etc is not going to survive in the real world?
And to be able to survive we should give em a course in these practices or expose them as much as possible to them?
Scary statement.
And also these parents are not "coddling", they are "raising" their kids with some norms and values that count for something.
Please think a bit before making statements like this, doesn't make you look smart.
I HAVE A BETTER SUGGESTION - DIVIDE SERVERS ON TWO:
1. FOR ADULTS
2. FOR KIDS
if the registered account if of a 14 year old brat, he is allowed to connect to this, this, this and this server, the other ones are restricted for players 18/21+
then they sort the lame stupid brats out, in the "Kindergarden" servers, and the REAL players play without noobs to quit on dungeons and raids and ruining the game in every other matter possible
^^
talk about not read what people say, and the only thing IMHO he is raising is a moron who can't get pass certain kind of people and will throw random tantrums when things don't go his way, pretty much all the problems we have in our world today, but hey like I said before just lock his kid in his room and hope for the best
Seriously,
I think this ERP is the least to be worried about.
These are just a bunch of no-lifes that can't get any sex in real life and are confined to doing it virtually via some pixels on a screen and a wet cloth on their lap.
That father should create a character on any of the regular PVP servers. What is going on there in the global chats is far more worrying and shocking, then in that Inn. And it's going since day 1 of launch!
I made the biggest mistake 5 and half years ago to roll my first char on a PVP server in WoW (because a colleague was playing there) and I canceled my account within the first week already and left.
Luckily I tried a year later on a RP-PVP server (Scarshield Legion in EU btw) and had a blast of a time for over 2 years.
The RP servers in WoW are seriously one of the better servers to be honest. (Altho I think by now, 6 years after launch, all servers altogether in WoW have gone to hell, as Customer Service in WoW is among the worst and GM's have never done anything).
But all in all tho. It's really no secret that WoW has one of the worst gamer communities in the world.
yeah cuz hatred, discrimination, bashing anything you don't personally believe in, etc is perfectly awesome /sigh
Ok what did I not read what people say?
What could I possibly have misinterpreted from the post I quoted?
Again the father is raising his kid with certain norms and values which do not consist of the offensive stuff seen in the game. So he denies his kid access.
Where does this result in raising a moron, as you so elequantly put it?
Where does this result in raising a spoiled bratt who throws a tantrum whenever he doesn't get his way?
I only started gaming when I was wayyyyyyy older, I grew up in a small town and didn't get confronted with all this bs untill I was about 18 or so .... I can tell you I'm not a moron, nor am I spoiled.
He protects his kid from certain influences which he thinks could have a negative influence on the norms and values the kid is used to. Ofcourse the kid will encounter this crap at a certain point in his life, and at that point rest asured he will have a good knowledge of what is descent and what not and make up his mind at that point.
And maybe the kid can decide all this allready, but the dad decides not to confront him with it now ... and why the hell should he? To see if he's ready for the world?
You seem to have a Spartan look at how to raise kids ... throw them at the wolves at a young age and see if they're a man allready.
Only one downside ... a bunch of those kids died.
This is just lip-service by Blizzard. If they actually started enforcing the policy and suspended (and subsequently banned) the repeat offenders, they'd lose half their subscriber base...which I'd wager is something they are not willing to do. It's the same reason the gold sellers are still around, they have paid subs that Blizzard is making money off of.
he have 15 he is NOT a kid, myself I was studing and doing my things, with 14 I already have a part time job so I could buy things without I need to ask for money from my parents, but of course like me, same way like you started gamming MMOs after 18, MMos started for a more mature people, first because they can pay, second you have a lot less problems with that.
and like you said this parent don't want the problem to talk with his son, and why he should talk to him, right? its blizzard problem, no?;
same thing when I was a teacher, parents want the teacher to teach then how to behave because they don't want the problem, all the problem kids are parents who did not care to talk to his kids just bash then a like or bash the teacher because the damn moron can't get a good score
and that wolf part I wouldn't throw then to the wolfs, but sure thing I would teach then how to fight wolfs and any other dangerous things, even today only the strong survive
I can't help but feel a little sad to see Goldshire on Moonguard go. It's tradition to bring your friends who have never been for a good laugh at the freaks and creeps. I am a parent of 4, and a lifetime gamer. My kids play Wizard101 and Freerealms, because I would NEVER let them play a game with the kind of mature themes that WoW offers.