Makes perfect sense in the Star Wars lore to stick races with classes. Some species in the Star Wars galaxy are not foce-sensitive... meaning they can never be Jedi / Sith. At the same time, this also means these species are not succeptable to Jedi mind control / persuasion...
Not sure if TOR is going to use this mechanic or not, but it would certainly be cool if they did.
I think thats debateable though, twi-leks should be able to be jedi, as should zabrak, etc. What would be sad is to have only one alternate race per class.... I know it won't be that restrictive, but in the off chance it is, I would be somewhat disappointed.
No Twi Jedi? That's all I needed to hear, wish you all the best of luck on this title.
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They say these races will excel at certain classes, not be limited to them. Am I missing something?
People hear what they want to hear much of the time. It's hard to admit your wrong.
It is interesting to note that it used to be that mythologies, folklore and stories passed down from the past generations once taught moral lessons and reflections of historical events. Video games are thought by many to be the new medium and learning tool for the future generations. Yet there is still so much discrimination, narrow-mindedness, hate, and even racism among the fans themselves.
If it isn't bad enough that there are activists and politicians who constantly try to control the video game industry without gamers themselves causing more harm than help.
I'm referring to those who insist on flaming other gamers on the these forums for having an opinion on a game whether they like it or not.
It's sad to think that George Lucas can go on believing he's such a great director when the last movie he directed that was worth a shite was in 1977. If we keep in mind that he didn't direct episode V and VI of the Star Wars Saga. He's even on some iconic directors show on Bravo. It's a Joke. He's had 3 good movies...THX1138...AMerican Graffiti and Star Wars all over 30 years ago. That's it. He really should be known more as a Producer ... if anything.
Makes perfect sense in the Star Wars lore to stick races with classes. Some species in the Star Wars galaxy are not foce-sensitive... meaning they can never be Jedi / Sith. At the same time, this also means these species are not succeptable to Jedi mind control / persuasion...
Not sure if TOR is going to use this mechanic or not, but it would certainly be cool if they did.
I think thats debateable though, twi-leks should be able to be jedi, as should zabrak, etc. What would be sad is to have only one alternate race per class.... I know it won't be that restrictive, but in the off chance it is, I would be somewhat disappointed.
No Twi Jedi? That's all I needed to hear, wish you all the best of luck on this title.
END OF LINE_
~V
Pretty much what I said about no Wookies as a playable race period. They are just as important of a race as any other that has been confirmed (more so when you consider their popularity).
LOL, I love all you who never really think about what your saying and just jumping to conclusions, WELL before the game is even launched. This same thing happened when they announced space flight/combat in this game.
It's yet to be said any where, as far as I know, that there will be no way to be a Jedi or even Sith as a Twi. Nor has it been said yet that Wookies wont be a playable race either. These are JUST 4 more races they announced, THAT'S IT. They DID not say that these will be the only races for the game, beyond the other 4 announced before this. Nor exactly what all classes the diffrent classes the races can be, yet.
How people like you make it threw a single day in life is beyond me...
Makes perfect sense in the Star Wars lore to stick races with classes. Some species in the Star Wars galaxy are not foce-sensitive... meaning they can never be Jedi / Sith. At the same time, this also means these species are not succeptable to Jedi mind control / persuasion...
Not sure if TOR is going to use this mechanic or not, but it would certainly be cool if they did.
I think thats debateable though, twi-leks should be able to be jedi, as should zabrak, etc. What would be sad is to have only one alternate race per class.... I know it won't be that restrictive, but in the off chance it is, I would be somewhat disappointed.
No Twi Jedi? That's all I needed to hear, wish you all the best of luck on this title.
END OF LINE_
~V
They say these races will excel at certain classes, not be limited to them. Am I missing something?
Good point and I'm not for sure, but no, I don't think you are.
im so done ...give me alien races enough said...only thing that will have me play this game is if a Mon Calamarian while playing a trooper.
Um, well, okay... BUT, it might be wiser to just wait til they actually say that these 8 races are ALL that the game will have at launch. But, that's just me...
LOL at BioWare for not even knowing about the Chiss and when they actually became known to the Republic. They were first made known by the appearance of Thrawn in the late era of the Republic with the whole Outbound Flight event.
But whatever. Star Wars EU stuff is a horrible mess of every single paint color you can find thrown into one vat.
Originally posted by BarCrow
Sad to say..but no matter what is or isn't included. What is changed or remains the same. It is their property to manipulate. George Lucas proved this with the last few movies he , either directly or indirectly, butchered. This includes Episodes 1-3 and the Clone Wars movie. (though some of the series is enjoyable ..imo). I don't like it..I just don't care to waste energy complaining. I will play the game..and if it is fun..I will keep playing the game. As far as "canon". Well..it is called science fiction...not science fact.
Two wrongs make a right, right?
The disregard for canon erases the lines that define one IP from another.
I agree...I'm just tired of defending my childhood memories from being raped by money lusting corporate pigs (oink..oink..Mr. Lucas) and then have to pay for the privilege. So I just close my eyes and pretend I'm somewhere else. lol.
Hmm. Isn't that usually what your wife does?
JK !! Bad joke, I know.
On a more serious note: two words.
Expanded Universe.
Look it up, and realise that SW:TOR takes place 4,000 years before the movies.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
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The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
What makes me not so happy is that they are sticking races with classes for the time being. I have a good feeling they'll open that up later and have some races being able to hop around, but I wish they'd release these classes without the need to feign restrictions.
On the other hand though, really great race choices.
I believe they will tie in certain backgrounds to each race which influences the storyline a bit (maybe similar to DAO), which might limit the amount of races available for each class.
I agree. Plus ppl who want SI to be Pure Blood. SI are Slave's from planets token after 1ATC.So a Pure Blood being a SI isn't going to happen it would screw the story all up.
LOL at BioWare for not even knowing about the Chiss and when they actually became known to the Republic. They were first made known by the appearance of Thrawn in the late era of the Republic with the whole Outbound Flight event.
But whatever. Star Wars EU stuff is a horrible mess of every single paint color you can find thrown into one vat.
Originally posted by BarCrow
Sad to say..but no matter what is or isn't included. What is changed or remains the same. It is their property to manipulate. George Lucas proved this with the last few movies he , either directly or indirectly, butchered. This includes Episodes 1-3 and the Clone Wars movie. (though some of the series is enjoyable ..imo). I don't like it..I just don't care to waste energy complaining. I will play the game..and if it is fun..I will keep playing the game. As far as "canon". Well..it is called science fiction...not science fact.
Two wrongs make a right, right?
The disregard for canon erases the lines that define one IP from another.
I agree...I'm just tired of defending my childhood memories from being raped by money lusting corporate pigs (oink..oink..Mr. Lucas) and then have to pay for the privilege. So I just close my eyes and pretend I'm somewhere else. lol.
Hmm. Isn't that usually what your wife does?
JK !! Bad joke, I know.
On a more serious note: two words.
Expanded Universe.
Look it up, and realise that SW:TOR takes place 4,000 years before the movies.
Alot of ppl don't understand about the Expended Universe and about the SW Lore. BW is Keep this to CANNON. They are not Raping ppl like SWG. SWG was a Joke and still is a Joke. There was a Handful of Jedi in Hiden when Luke and his team was doing there thing.SWG had Thousands of Jedi lmfao. As for KotOR 1&2 was both Cannon and there was alot of Holocrons and Races Lost over the 4000+ Years. Just look at Earth the Dark Ages was a time of loss. Not much was writin down and saved,If it was it was Lost. There is still stuff being Found 2011 years after being wrote. So seeing that Planets and races being lost in a WHOLE UNIVERSE over 4000 yrs would be easy indeed.
LOL at BioWare for not even knowing about the Chiss and when they actually became known to the Republic. They were first made known by the appearance of Thrawn in the late era of the Republic with the whole Outbound Flight event.
But whatever. Star Wars EU stuff is a horrible mess of every single paint color you can find thrown into one vat.
Originally posted by BarCrow
Sad to say..but no matter what is or isn't included. What is changed or remains the same. It is their property to manipulate. George Lucas proved this with the last few movies he , either directly or indirectly, butchered. This includes Episodes 1-3 and the Clone Wars movie. (though some of the series is enjoyable ..imo). I don't like it..I just don't care to waste energy complaining. I will play the game..and if it is fun..I will keep playing the game. As far as "canon". Well..it is called science fiction...not science fact.
Two wrongs make a right, right?
The disregard for canon erases the lines that define one IP from another.
Actually that was just the beginning of major exodus by the Chiss. During the old republic era the chiss are located in the outer rim, aka the sith empire. The Republic may have not known about them, but someone did. Bioware actually stated that they would be pretty restricted in class choice because of their rarity outside of their own space.
takes place over 3000 years before the movies. An era, if you will, that hasn't had much influence besides KOTOR1 and 2. While there's things that take place before that time, it still doesn't make things directly canon, or otherwise.
As far as canon goes, it's whatever Lucas Arts wants to make it. While I don't agree with George's choice to sell out for the Clone Wars cartoons, opposed to Gennedey Tarikovsky's version, which was MUCH better in my opinion, it's not my place to say one way or another. They're out to make money, and they intend too, don't judge Bioware on it's choices, judge it on all of the good games they've put out in the past.
To be perfectly honest, I think the game will suck. Not due to the gameplay, or graphics, or story telling. It'll suck because of idiots migrating from WoW, it'll suck because people will try to ruin other people's experiences because they want too. It's not the developers, it's not the game, it's the people. It will always be the people. The complainers, the trolls, the idiots, the powergamers etc.
No matter what happens, something can and will ruin a person's experience. AS for the playable race discussion? I have no comment. I've only read a hand ful of the books, which many people don't consider canon anymore due to the new Clone Wars series released in the last year. The simple fact is, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S CANON. We are not Lucas Arts. We are not George Lucas. For all we know, Shmi Skywalker could've gotten roofied by some sith lord, and felt so guilty by it that she made up the story of it being a virgin birth. While to be honest, it's implied that this could be true.
We're given the idea that it was a vrigin birth, manipulated by Darth Plagius in a crazy scheme to bring the Sith into Power over the galaxy. There are so many plot holes, so many tiny details that are never explained. Why? Because there's only so much George Lucas can put into a 2 hour movie, and because he's the richest person within the studio, what he says goes, there's nothing that can change the bad choices of his past, and we're stuck living with crap things like Clone Wars, or the Star Wars Holiday special.
K Lucas Tore them a New Ass for SW Hoilday Special and Told them they could Nv show it again. This is why it was on TV one time in the US 33 years Ago and nv add to any of his DvD's. 2nd Darth Plagius was Making him a New ward to replace Darth Sidious. Given he would then toke over the Galaxy with his new Boy. Of course Darth Sidious couldn't let himself become useless. But Darth Sidious nv went for the Rule of 2. He always kept Force sen. around him. Not to say anything about Have Darth Maul and Darth try working for him at the same time and Then he Had Vader and Mara at the same time. The Clone Wars being Cannon I don't know if that has been said. They are to be keeping to the Ip to a Point,But Cannon I don't know for sure. I really Don't watch it. I think I watched the 1st season but after that kind gave up on it. The Real action SW TV series that is to come out in 2012 or what ever I would watch.
Intresting that as of right now it looks like each class can either be human or one alien class. Thats a huge departure from most games but adds to PVP whenyou can tell who your facing from accross the battle field!
Soooo... am I missing the alien races? These all look like humans with different skin color and facial features.
Why not just add these as customizatoin options and the ability to put in your own race name.
Slide skin color over to blue, change facial feature to wear white hat, have a big nose, name race "Smurf".
Hey look I'm an alien!
I know these are "actual" races in the Star Wars world... I just don't see the big deal. Now if they were announcing that Wookies, Droids, or Mon Calamari were going to be playable, that'd be pretty cool... but this announcement is kind of... lame.
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People hear what they want to hear much of the time. It's hard to admit your wrong.
Could not even read the rest of your post Onasaki!!!!
I LOL'd so hard at the first line I had to stop and post!!!!!
Say hello, To the things you've left behind. They are more a part of your life now that you can't touch them.
Is that a good thing, or a bad thing? O_o
I have two forces by my side;
One's the truth and one's a lie;
Which one's which I cannot tell;
This Enigma is my Hell..
It is interesting to note that it used to be that mythologies, folklore and stories passed down from the past generations once taught moral lessons and reflections of historical events. Video games are thought by many to be the new medium and learning tool for the future generations. Yet there is still so much discrimination, narrow-mindedness, hate, and even racism among the fans themselves.
If it isn't bad enough that there are activists and politicians who constantly try to control the video game industry without gamers themselves causing more harm than help.
I'm referring to those who insist on flaming other gamers on the these forums for having an opinion on a game whether they like it or not.
It's sad to think that George Lucas can go on believing he's such a great director when the last movie he directed that was worth a shite was in 1977. If we keep in mind that he didn't direct episode V and VI of the Star Wars Saga. He's even on some iconic directors show on Bravo. It's a Joke. He's had 3 good movies...THX1138...AMerican Graffiti and Star Wars all over 30 years ago. That's it. He really should be known more as a Producer ... if anything.
Looking forward to seeing the rest.
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That's the Zabrak in your link. Totally diffrent race from the Pureblood.
LOL, I love all you who never really think about what your saying and just jumping to conclusions, WELL before the game is even launched. This same thing happened when they announced space flight/combat in this game.
It's yet to be said any where, as far as I know, that there will be no way to be a Jedi or even Sith as a Twi. Nor has it been said yet that Wookies wont be a playable race either. These are JUST 4 more races they announced, THAT'S IT. They DID not say that these will be the only races for the game, beyond the other 4 announced before this. Nor exactly what all classes the diffrent classes the races can be, yet.
How people like you make it threw a single day in life is beyond me...
Good point and I'm not for sure, but no, I don't think you are.
The above poster has a very valid point there. We don't know if this is it.
I have two forces by my side;
One's the truth and one's a lie;
Which one's which I cannot tell;
This Enigma is my Hell..
Um, well, okay... BUT, it might be wiser to just wait til they actually say that these 8 races are ALL that the game will have at launch. But, that's just me...
Hmm. Isn't that usually what your wife does?
JK !! Bad joke, I know.
On a more serious note: two words.
Expanded Universe.
Look it up, and realise that SW:TOR takes place 4,000 years before the movies.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
I've already said that. :P
I have two forces by my side;
One's the truth and one's a lie;
Which one's which I cannot tell;
This Enigma is my Hell..
Wookie ... Wookie ... Wookie ... Wookie
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@ Onasaki: I only read your post after I'd already posted
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
I am rather surprise no Twi'leks. :
They were already announced, this is just new stuff.
I agree. Plus ppl who want SI to be Pure Blood. SI are Slave's from planets token after 1ATC.So a Pure Blood being a SI isn't going to happen it would screw the story all up.
Alot of ppl don't understand about the Expended Universe and about the SW Lore. BW is Keep this to CANNON. They are not Raping ppl like SWG. SWG was a Joke and still is a Joke. There was a Handful of Jedi in Hiden when Luke and his team was doing there thing.SWG had Thousands of Jedi lmfao. As for KotOR 1&2 was both Cannon and there was alot of Holocrons and Races Lost over the 4000+ Years. Just look at Earth the Dark Ages was a time of loss. Not much was writin down and saved,If it was it was Lost. There is still stuff being Found 2011 years after being wrote. So seeing that Planets and races being lost in a WHOLE UNIVERSE over 4000 yrs would be easy indeed.
Actually that was just the beginning of major exodus by the Chiss. During the old republic era the chiss are located in the outer rim, aka the sith empire. The Republic may have not known about them, but someone did. Bioware actually stated that they would be pretty restricted in class choice because of their rarity outside of their own space.
K Lucas Tore them a New Ass for SW Hoilday Special and Told them they could Nv show it again. This is why it was on TV one time in the US 33 years Ago and nv add to any of his DvD's. 2nd Darth Plagius was Making him a New ward to replace Darth Sidious. Given he would then toke over the Galaxy with his new Boy. Of course Darth Sidious couldn't let himself become useless. But Darth Sidious nv went for the Rule of 2. He always kept Force sen. around him. Not to say anything about Have Darth Maul and Darth try working for him at the same time and Then he Had Vader and Mara at the same time. The Clone Wars being Cannon I don't know if that has been said. They are to be keeping to the Ip to a Point,But Cannon I don't know for sure. I really Don't watch it. I think I watched the 1st season but after that kind gave up on it. The Real action SW TV series that is to come out in 2012 or what ever I would watch.
Intresting that as of right now it looks like each class can either be human or one alien class. Thats a huge departure from most games but adds to PVP whenyou can tell who your facing from accross the battle field!
Soooo... am I missing the alien races? These all look like humans with different skin color and facial features.
Why not just add these as customizatoin options and the ability to put in your own race name.
Slide skin color over to blue, change facial feature to wear white hat, have a big nose, name race "Smurf".
Hey look I'm an alien!
I know these are "actual" races in the Star Wars world... I just don't see the big deal. Now if they were announcing that Wookies, Droids, or Mon Calamari were going to be playable, that'd be pretty cool... but this announcement is kind of... lame.
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
Interesting, but still waiting for the optional non-human appearing species (Twi’lek hardly counts).
I only care if they make the human race look good.
Gonna play a human trooper here.
All those memories will be lost in time, like tears in the rain.