Have to agree with the OP. There is nonthing about this game that looks good at all. It is totally being sold on the names of Bioware and Star Wars.
Star Wars= Awesome IP with TONS of potential.
Bioware=Badass dev that has NEVER put out a bad game. Ever.
Sounds like a pretty safe bet.
Star Trek= Awesome IP with TONS of potential. Guess how that turned out.
Bioware= Good at writing books, bad at making compelling gameplay.
Sounds and looks like a very average MMO to me.
Bioware are bad at making compelling gameplay? Seriously? Wow, you're in a minority on that one my friend.
Well, I gotta agree with him. BW's latest games don't have the magic they used to have in the past. Story is always great, I won't argue with that, but the overall gameplay feels shallow and somehow very simple.
Aww comeon Both Mass Effect and Dragon Age were awesome games. Not just in story either. The gameplay (on PC atleast) was a lot of fun in both games.
Before those games Bioware released Jade Empire & Kotor that were damn near perfect also.
I remember how good BG and NWN were but the newer games are still considered masterpieces in gaming the world over. even by the most stuborn critics.
Have to agree with the OP. There is nonthing about this game that looks good at all. It is totally being sold on the names of Bioware and Star Wars.
Star Wars= Awesome IP with TONS of potential.
Bioware=Badass dev that has NEVER put out a bad game. Ever.
Sounds like a pretty safe bet.
Star Trek= Awesome IP with TONS of potential. Guess how that turned out.
Bioware= Good at writing books, bad at making compelling gameplay.
Sounds and looks like a very average MMO to me.
Bioware are bad at making compelling gameplay? Seriously? Wow, you're in a minority on that one my friend.
Well, I gotta agree with him. BW's latest games don't have the magic they used to have in the past. Story is always great, I won't argue with that, but the overall gameplay feels shallow and somehow very simple.
Aww comeon Both Mass Effect and Dragon Age were awesome games. Not just in story either. The gameplay (on PC atleast) was a lot of fun in both games.
Before those games Bioware released Jade Empire & Kotor that were damn near perfect also.
I remember how good BG and NWN were but the newer games are still considered masterpieces in gaming the world over. even by the most stuborn critics.
They are not bad games, but when I played DAO for the first time and the attack to the castle begun, I had a feeling the game was made very cheap.
Mass Effect was not as bad at first. It was a bit boring due to very short action scenes followed by long movies and conversations. When I got the control of my own ship and I got to the space traveling part, that cheap feeling appeared once again.
I know many people like their games, I'm not one of them. I guess it all begun in Halflife 2 - that was the first game that felt more like a movie than a game. Please don't crusify me for my opinion.
Have to agree with the OP. There is nonthing about this game that looks good at all. It is totally being sold on the names of Bioware and Star Wars.
Star Wars= Awesome IP with TONS of potential.
Bioware=Badass dev that has NEVER put out a bad game. Ever.
Sounds like a pretty safe bet.
Star Trek= Awesome IP with TONS of potential. Guess how that turned out.
Bioware= Good at writing books, bad at making compelling gameplay.
Sounds and looks like a very average MMO to me.
Bioware are bad at making compelling gameplay? Seriously? Wow, you're in a minority on that one my friend.
Well, I gotta agree with him. BW's latest games don't have the magic they used to have in the past. Story is always great, I won't argue with that, but the overall gameplay feels shallow and somehow very simple.
Aww comeon Both Mass Effect and Dragon Age were awesome games. Not just in story either. The gameplay (on PC atleast) was a lot of fun in both games.
Before those games Bioware released Jade Empire & Kotor that were damn near perfect also.
I remember how good BG and NWN were but the newer games are still considered masterpieces in gaming the world over. even by the most stuborn critics.
They are not bad games, but when I played DAO for the first time and the attack to the castle begun, I had a feeling the game was made very cheap.
Mass Effect was not as bad at first. It was a bit boring due to very short action scenes followed by long movies and conversations. When I got the control of my own ship and I got to the space traveling part, that cheap feeling appeared once again.
I know many people like their games, I'm not one of them. I guess it all begun in Halflife 2 - that was the first game that felt more like a movie than a game. Please don't crusify me for my opinion.
Its your opinion of course. I found DA:O and ME2 to be the top to releases on any console or pc, ( i dont get into the sports or gimmich crap) for last year barring SF IV (Super Street fighter 2, is still my prefered weapon of choice).
I think we all look for reasons to back our opnions, and lets all be honest its only that an opinion. Those of us who think TOR might be good and those who think its gonna "fail" are going to see it the way we want when it launches. One group will be happy and play even with whatever flaws remain, the other group would not be happy if the entire world logd onto the game, for them it would still be (wow clone, fail, suck, insert your own not so witty remark). So personally, opinion, as it stand I do not have a fully developed conclusion to this game. How can you? its 9 month out from release and its not even in beta, wow changed even graphics up until 2 weeks before release, my paladin didnt even play the same when I logd into beta servers 2 week before launch.....
Seeing newer and newer gameplay footage, this game just looks worse and worse lol. It all looks really slow and out of place, like KOTOR had a really bad combat system, but it looks slow like that. Man that combat would be so bad for PVP, like even worse than EQ2 or some shit. Every time I see a video, they are standing still in one place and it just looks really slow and animates badly. On top of that you have like the real poor character models and clothes look like a texture painted on their body. Their frigging emo plastic hair is enough to put me off but their bodies look outta proportion. Why is it no matter how much they try to change the character model looks, they all look related but one is bald or one is fat and one has emo plastic hair? Everything about it looks so bad, besides the environments, I bet they'll screw them up with instances and zoning though lol.
Just can't get excited for it. It is really annoying like a Halo game that everyone hypes, I play it and just think "what is so good about this?". Especially seeing as the MMO genre hasn't had anything good since 2004.
The big year for your game to be released!
You know, sooner or later there will come a game that makes it and all of a sudden nobody will care about your characters in that game, NOBODY!! And that's what makes you so scared...
Whether the game is Star Wars or any other one, sooner or later there will be one! It's only a game, never forget that...
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
Originally posted by Tarka Erm no. Were exactly did I say that? Seriously Teala, don't put words into peoples mouths and certainly stop assuming things because you REALLY are making yourself look a fool.
What makes you think that hiding behind things WON'T completely block damage when the game launches? hmm? Or are you jumping to YET ANOTHER assumption? You DO realise that we're not looking at the launch-ready product don't you?
Personally right now, I don't care whether the mechanic mitigates damage or completely blocks it. The combat system, in my opinion, looks good enough FOR THE STATE THAT THE GAME IS IN NOW. If you don't like it, so be it. Doesn't mean that your opinion echoes the views of the majority though.
So you cannot say that there is "so much FAIL" in that video (no matter HOW ridiculously stupid that makes you sound).
Seriously, have an opinion about the game by all means, but don't be immature and point fingers at a video just because its author decided to make one based on what he likes. That's just childish.
Yes I can and will, because I am right. ^_^
Well put Tarka..... the game is looking great , with the ammounts of content and World sizes that Bioware are putting into this it will be a winner. No need to suffer fools here some are ore obvious than other , good fodder to laugh at.
________________________________________________________ Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
My excitement has also died, or maybe i'm just not a big enough star wars fan, it seems like we have been beating the same horse for years now.
Originally posted by Solestran
I am so very happy they aren't going with FPS style combat. I'm glad this is going to be a RPG that stresses character development and skill, not twichiness and ping rates.
I don't see any indication of skill in this yet? i mean the only combat i see is people standing infront of each other presumably mashing buttons, Unless you relate skill to timing of button pressing or having stronger gear to beat your opponent.
I may be wrong however, which i'm sure people will point out.
How would YOU define skill? The ability to perform a task well. And how do you do that? By learning skills, timing and knowing when and where to use them in order to minimise effort.
Remember that this video is showing a low level encounter using low level avatars. Therefore, if the progression follows the same route as other games, the combat will be relatively unsophisticated compared to higher levels.
So, in this video theres possibly the repetetive use of a very small number of abilities, but that's because its low level. These games aren't supposed to be needing a high degree of skill at such an early stage of the game. Personally, I would like to see a high level encounter too to compare the use of abilities. Perhaps with a different group composition and perspectives from each avatar in the group.
I mean... there are good things to be said about the game... but can anyone honestly say they're drawn to how the combat looks? I know a lot of people don't care how it looks, or hope that more will be added to it (not really one of the big issues going into the final year of development)... but it does actually look like crap. That's relatively objective observation.
Did anyone remember the bounty hunter rope? Can anyone say that looked good?
Uhg. I'll be upset about gameplay/combat after alpha or during beta. So much can change. So much can change when even the Alpha/Beta audience gets ahold of it. Also, I have yet to see a 1080p video of gameplay/graphics. Anyone know where I can find that? Most games look like utter nonsense at 480p... afterall our LCD's can display at HD.
I like how graphics are picked on so well with this game, it's in Alpha to Beta stages, it doesn't even come out till next year. A lot of ppl like the art style of this game and guess what if you don't, then play a game that looks pretty and just hide the rest of the important stuff under the rug.
The combat system I think is great and it's not even finalized at the moment, it's still be worked on and tweaked. WOW did not create this combat system, ppl need to really go back over the last decade and see what started this and guess what.... millions of ppl love the mechanics, if they didn't then they probably wouldn't play it.
If your testing out the game, then come back here start up a page and then give a correct review of what you like and dislike of this game and make sure to input your thoughts in the games forum as well to help the developers tweak and fix the game.
Getting a video clip of what this game looks like is just to show you what is to be, but is not final. I believe by the end of the year there will be more adjustments to this game that, this negativity to this game will just seem like bullsh@# that should of just been kept out of this forum.
If you don't enjoy Bioware's story telling, well I guess your probably also playing the wrong kind of games, because this company puts a lot of time and effort to really make character development and story really shine in every game they play. If you love Star Wars, then your going to get an extra jump for joy , because you know the team behind this is pouring out there hearts and are going to make this shine from gameplay, to story, to creativity, to everything you experience in there adventures they make.
Judging is the easiest thing anyone can do...
For you ppl that are still on the edge of , maybe this game doesn't look so great after all, but were kind of fans. Just wait it out till the Fall or Winter of this year, i'm sure you will be more happier with the game, because right now it's still a work in progress that still needs to be ironed out and polished.
Wildstar (2013) & Elder Scroll Online (2013)
Playing: Diablo 3, WOW, Far Cry 3 & X-Com.
Enjoyed: WOW 5 1/2 yrs, LOTRO 3yrs, GW 1/2yr, DFO 1yr, EVE Online 3yrs, and Huxley (Beta).
Failed to impress: GW2 3months, Tera Online 6 months (best combat system in any MMO I've played) STO 1/4yr, Aion 1/2yr, AoC 1yr, CO, Fallen Earth, DDO, EQ2 1/2yr, WAR 1/2yr, Lineage 2 and FF XI 1/2yr, FF XIV.
Simple solution. Don't like it, don't buy it. Problem solved! Trust me, no one will miss you.
"Soloists and those who prefer small groups should never have to feel like they''re the ones getting the proverbial table scraps, as it were." - Scott Hartsman, Senior Producer, Everquest II "People love groups. Its a fallacy that people want to play solo all the time." - Scott Hartsman, Executive Producer, Rift
i think all the people that are bashing the combat in TOR must all be sitting in the same eye docs office awaiting cataract surgery. This game from the looks of it will have some of the best combat that has ever been presented in a mmo, and the game is still a year from being released.
I mean... there are good things to be said about the game... but can anyone honestly say they're drawn to how the combat looks? I know a lot of people don't care how it looks, or hope that more will be added to it (not really one of the big issues going into the final year of development)... but it does actually look like crap. That's relatively objective observation.
Did anyone remember the bounty hunter rope? Can anyone say that looked good?
Totally agree, the combat does look crap..I'm sorry, but there's no way anyone with at least two fairly healthy eyeballs (and a healthy mind) can argue otherwise. The bounty hunter rope scene in particular made me semi-regurgitate.
The link to the YouTube video earlier in this threat made me chuckle, most of the comparison MMO videos looked way better than TOR.
I'm not a big fan of TOR's art style, but it's not a show stopper. I used to feel the same way about WoW's style, but I came to love it. Unfortunately for TOR, a lot of the animations look horrendous, especially in combat where they don't look very fluid at all.
After watching the TOR Multiplayer Demo earlier today, I'm almost ready to just give up on this game altogether..how bland was that video?!
May i guess you are in beta and have seen the vastness of the worlds?
Well, go and play Alganon, its f2p and excells in its unique style of combat aniamtion!
"Torquemada... do not implore him for compassion. Torquemada... do not beg him for forgiveness. Torquemada... do not ask him for mercy. Let's face it, you can't Torquemada anything!"
Aww, this thread is such a win. People that are bashing need to give it a rest. Putting up old combat video's is hilarious to say the least. Want to see the latest and the greatest. Just head over to the official forums and take a look at the new Jedi Knight.
As for all these jackholes that keep spewing over and over since day one about TOR's graphics are cartoonish, you must need serious cataract surgery.
May i guess you are in beta and have seen the vastness of the worlds?
Well, go and play Alganon, its f2p and excells in its unique style of combat aniamtion!
Game is not even in closed beta and even so some people seem to think that once a game is in beta thats how its going to be released for some unknown reason. MMO players seem to get dumber by the day.
Fortunately for all of us, non of you whiners have to play it.
I honestly get tired of hearing all these people who probably never intended to play the game, or do plan to play it and just like to bitch. I get tired of it.
You don't have to play, there are some people that are quite satisfied. We should go find out what their most anticipated game is and go over to those forums and cry doom and gloom scenerios. That would be just a lil below my level though.
You wont accomplish anything by putting down the game on this forum since only about 5 percent of people that play MMO give a fuck about talking on forums and it is mainly because of the trolls that have ruined the internet everywhere you go.
May i guess you are in beta and have seen the vastness of the worlds?
Well, go and play Alganon, its f2p and excells in its unique style of combat aniamtion!
Game is not even in closed beta and even so some people seem to think that once a game is in beta thats how its going to be released for some unknown reason. MMO players seem to get dumber by the day.
I'm confused with the dev team here. Not sure what they have planned for beta , but it clear that quite a few lucky people have had the opportunity to play the game
Fortunately for all of us, non of you whiners have to play it.
I honestly get tired of hearing all these people who probably never intended to play the game, or do plan to play it and just like to bitch. I get tired of it.
You don't have to play, there are some people that are quite satisfied. We should go find out what their most anticipated game is and go over to those forums and cry doom and gloom scenerios. That would be just a lil below my level though.
You wont accomplish anything by putting down the game on this forum since only about 5 percent of people that play MMO give a fuck about talking on forums and it is mainly because of the trolls that have ruined the internet everywhere you go.
Dont take it seriously lol. Just laugh like i do after all most of them are 30-40+ years old having 5k posts and being on mmorpg.com all day whining like a little kid just goes to show what lonely geek/nerd/virgins they are in real life. We also know that these trolls do not even count for 1% of the player base in major games like these so they are just wasting there lifes. This is not a mini mmo like darkfall or mortal online. Now go listen to this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW4OV2HRmMs and just ignore them.
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Aww comeon Both Mass Effect and Dragon Age were awesome games. Not just in story either. The gameplay (on PC atleast) was a lot of fun in both games.
Before those games Bioware released Jade Empire & Kotor that were damn near perfect also.
I remember how good BG and NWN were but the newer games are still considered masterpieces in gaming the world over. even by the most stuborn critics.
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
They are not bad games, but when I played DAO for the first time and the attack to the castle begun, I had a feeling the game was made very cheap.
Mass Effect was not as bad at first. It was a bit boring due to very short action scenes followed by long movies and conversations. When I got the control of my own ship and I got to the space traveling part, that cheap feeling appeared once again.
I know many people like their games, I'm not one of them. I guess it all begun in Halflife 2 - that was the first game that felt more like a movie than a game. Please don't crusify me for my opinion.
Its your opinion of course. I found DA:O and ME2 to be the top to releases on any console or pc, ( i dont get into the sports or gimmich crap) for last year barring SF IV (Super Street fighter 2, is still my prefered weapon of choice).
I think we all look for reasons to back our opnions, and lets all be honest its only that an opinion. Those of us who think TOR might be good and those who think its gonna "fail" are going to see it the way we want when it launches. One group will be happy and play even with whatever flaws remain, the other group would not be happy if the entire world logd onto the game, for them it would still be (wow clone, fail, suck, insert your own not so witty remark). So personally, opinion, as it stand I do not have a fully developed conclusion to this game. How can you? its 9 month out from release and its not even in beta, wow changed even graphics up until 2 weeks before release, my paladin didnt even play the same when I logd into beta servers 2 week before launch.....
The big year for your game to be released!
You know, sooner or later there will come a game that makes it and all of a sudden nobody will care about your characters in that game, NOBODY!! And that's what makes you so scared...
Whether the game is Star Wars or any other one, sooner or later there will be one! It's only a game, never forget that...
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Yeah it does.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
Well put Tarka..... the game is looking great , with the ammounts of content and World sizes that Bioware are putting into this it will be a winner. No need to suffer fools here some are ore obvious than other , good fodder to laugh at.
________________________________________________________
Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
How would YOU define skill? The ability to perform a task well. And how do you do that? By learning skills, timing and knowing when and where to use them in order to minimise effort.
Remember that this video is showing a low level encounter using low level avatars. Therefore, if the progression follows the same route as other games, the combat will be relatively unsophisticated compared to higher levels.
So, in this video theres possibly the repetetive use of a very small number of abilities, but that's because its low level. These games aren't supposed to be needing a high degree of skill at such an early stage of the game. Personally, I would like to see a high level encounter too to compare the use of abilities. Perhaps with a different group composition and perspectives from each avatar in the group.
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I mean... there are good things to be said about the game... but can anyone honestly say they're drawn to how the combat looks? I know a lot of people don't care how it looks, or hope that more will be added to it (not really one of the big issues going into the final year of development)... but it does actually look like crap. That's relatively objective observation.
Did anyone remember the bounty hunter rope? Can anyone say that looked good?
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LMAO!!!
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This is not a troll, flame, or anything else worth banning me over. It is simply my pure opinion, and I have a right to share it.
Uhg. I'll be upset about gameplay/combat after alpha or during beta. So much can change. So much can change when even the Alpha/Beta audience gets ahold of it. Also, I have yet to see a 1080p video of gameplay/graphics. Anyone know where I can find that? Most games look like utter nonsense at 480p... afterall our LCD's can display at HD.
I like how graphics are picked on so well with this game, it's in Alpha to Beta stages, it doesn't even come out till next year. A lot of ppl like the art style of this game and guess what if you don't, then play a game that looks pretty and just hide the rest of the important stuff under the rug.
The combat system I think is great and it's not even finalized at the moment, it's still be worked on and tweaked. WOW did not create this combat system, ppl need to really go back over the last decade and see what started this and guess what.... millions of ppl love the mechanics, if they didn't then they probably wouldn't play it.
If your testing out the game, then come back here start up a page and then give a correct review of what you like and dislike of this game and make sure to input your thoughts in the games forum as well to help the developers tweak and fix the game.
Getting a video clip of what this game looks like is just to show you what is to be, but is not final. I believe by the end of the year there will be more adjustments to this game that, this negativity to this game will just seem like bullsh@# that should of just been kept out of this forum.
If you don't enjoy Bioware's story telling, well I guess your probably also playing the wrong kind of games, because this company puts a lot of time and effort to really make character development and story really shine in every game they play. If you love Star Wars, then your going to get an extra jump for joy , because you know the team behind this is pouring out there hearts and are going to make this shine from gameplay, to story, to creativity, to everything you experience in there adventures they make.
Judging is the easiest thing anyone can do...
For you ppl that are still on the edge of , maybe this game doesn't look so great after all, but were kind of fans. Just wait it out till the Fall or Winter of this year, i'm sure you will be more happier with the game, because right now it's still a work in progress that still needs to be ironed out and polished.
Wildstar (2013) & Elder Scroll Online (2013)
Playing: Diablo 3, WOW, Far Cry 3 & X-Com.
Enjoyed: WOW 5 1/2 yrs, LOTRO 3yrs, GW 1/2yr, DFO 1yr, EVE Online 3yrs, and Huxley (Beta).
Failed to impress: GW2 3months, Tera Online 6 months (best combat system in any MMO I've played) STO 1/4yr, Aion 1/2yr, AoC 1yr, CO, Fallen Earth, DDO, EQ2 1/2yr, WAR 1/2yr, Lineage 2 and FF XI 1/2yr, FF XIV.
Because the combat during beta is a finalized product.
Simple solution. Don't like it, don't buy it. Problem solved! Trust me, no one will miss you.
"Soloists and those who prefer small groups should never have to feel like they''re the ones getting the proverbial table scraps, as it were." - Scott Hartsman, Senior Producer, Everquest II
"People love groups. Its a fallacy that people want to play solo all the time." - Scott Hartsman, Executive Producer, Rift
i think all the people that are bashing the combat in TOR must all be sitting in the same eye docs office awaiting cataract surgery. This game from the looks of it will have some of the best combat that has ever been presented in a mmo, and the game is still a year from being released.
Totally agree, the combat does look crap..I'm sorry, but there's no way anyone with at least two fairly healthy eyeballs (and a healthy mind) can argue otherwise. The bounty hunter rope scene in particular made me semi-regurgitate.
The link to the YouTube video earlier in this threat made me chuckle, most of the comparison MMO videos looked way better than TOR.
I'm not a big fan of TOR's art style, but it's not a show stopper. I used to feel the same way about WoW's style, but I came to love it. Unfortunately for TOR, a lot of the animations look horrendous, especially in combat where they don't look very fluid at all.
After watching the TOR Multiplayer Demo earlier today, I'm almost ready to just give up on this game altogether..how bland was that video?!
Fortunately for all of us, non of you whiners have to play it.
Err.. You're right that a MMORPG combat system is fail because it has traditional MMORPG mechanics? hmmmm
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
so all of you fanboys will have enough free room in that game.
May i guess you are in beta and have seen the vastness of the worlds?
Well, go and play Alganon, its f2p and excells in its unique style of combat aniamtion!
"Torquemada... do not implore him for compassion. Torquemada... do not beg him for forgiveness. Torquemada... do not ask him for mercy. Let's face it, you can't Torquemada anything!"
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Aww, this thread is such a win. People that are bashing need to give it a rest. Putting up old combat video's is hilarious to say the least. Want to see the latest and the greatest. Just head over to the official forums and take a look at the new Jedi Knight.
As for all these jackholes that keep spewing over and over since day one about TOR's graphics are cartoonish, you must need serious cataract surgery.
combat looks fucking awesome dude. If i play this game it will be because of the combat on its epic proportions.
"When it comes to GW2 any game is fair game"
Game is not even in closed beta and even so some people seem to think that once a game is in beta thats how its going to be released for some unknown reason. MMO players seem to get dumber by the day.
I honestly get tired of hearing all these people who probably never intended to play the game, or do plan to play it and just like to bitch. I get tired of it.
You don't have to play, there are some people that are quite satisfied. We should go find out what their most anticipated game is and go over to those forums and cry doom and gloom scenerios. That would be just a lil below my level though.
You wont accomplish anything by putting down the game on this forum since only about 5 percent of people that play MMO give a fuck about talking on forums and it is mainly because of the trolls that have ruined the internet everywhere you go.
"When it comes to GW2 any game is fair game"
I'm confused with the dev team here. Not sure what they have planned for beta , but it clear that quite a few lucky people have had the opportunity to play the game
"When it comes to GW2 any game is fair game"
Dont take it seriously lol. Just laugh like i do after all most of them are 30-40+ years old having 5k posts and being on mmorpg.com all day whining like a little kid just goes to show what lonely geek/nerd/virgins they are in real life. We also know that these trolls do not even count for 1% of the player base in major games like these so they are just wasting there lifes. This is not a mini mmo like darkfall or mortal online. Now go listen to this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW4OV2HRmMs and just ignore them.