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Wizards, sorcerers Really???
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http://www.massively.com/2010/08/18/gamescom-2010-bioware-reveals-10-new-advance-classes-for-tor/
This latest revelation, is completely hilarious, don't get me wrong this is looing up to be a really awesome game and I understand that these terms where infact used in the original films but come on. Could Bioware not have thought up of a better name for the inquisitor and counsellor advanced classes.
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Prolly a bad example, but I am fairly sure that that Ewok movie where the little girl's whole family gets offed (which I though was cool) featured a force sensitive lady they coined as a "sorceress".
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It's not the fact that these terms weren't used in the movies it's that when you hear those names they do not make you think of Star Wars. In fact they make something else entirely.
while in the star wars movies the force users have been accused of being akin to witchcraft there sure as hell werent any wizards of the force lol. even sorcerer is a poor fit. they could have easily gone with blade master/force master or some variation there of to name the 2 paths, one obviously for mastering saber moves and the other for throwing meaner lightning chokes and life drains/heals.
just another reason i probably wont enjoy the game if it ever comes out sigh.
Well if the terms *are* actually used in Star Wars, then I fail to see the problem.
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http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sith_sorcerer
So you hate the game because it uses the lore of the time period?
From what i read the term wizard was only used as a comparison, maybe for people who are interested in the game, but are not fans of star wars. Doubt the specialization will be called wizard.
No. But "Wizard" for Jedi is ... improper.
Sith Achemy, Sith Magic, Sith Sorcerer - yes.
However, Jedi do not use these notions.
There was always only the Force.
It's basic inference. You could use any word to describe anything but in the minds of the majority of people that word would generally be linked to something, a style object etc.
When someone thinks of Stars they do not think of wizards that's not to say someone in the universe couldn't be called a wizard but to the majority of the public such a name clashes with what people generally consider Star Wars.
There is a reason why the average star was fan doesn't call Darth Vader a sorcerer, or Obi-Wan a wizard. I just think it's a really bad choice of name that causes far more problems than it's worth. It's why you don't call car drivers, pilots or spears, sticks. It causes confusion.
I am at a loss here. I don't know much about SW lore, I admit, but there were never Sith Sorcerors and Jedi Wizards, were there?
So a star wars fan has a problem with star wars lore? Then how are they a star wars fan? Its not the lores fault that the player can't conceive the meaning of the word, or that it could be used in that context. You can't place the blame on Bioware for using a name that the Sith were called. Also your analogy is really bad if the term was used more often or you know had an actual discernible meaning then it might fit.
We had different terms for different time periods, and Vader was called a sorcerer in the movies actually, so not only do we have EU lore we have movie lore.
As far as Wizards go for Jedi, I can agree that there is no lore behind the name, so its a fair point. Though I can understand where it might fit, given that wizards are more practiced and have a deeper understand of magic [force magic in this case.] sorcery for sith always and in case of the lore felt less practiced without real understanding of how it all worked. So in that case I could see how it fits, but on a lore scale I don't know I suppose i'm neutral on that one.
Though Sith sorcerer has lore backing, so debate it all you want, but if was written before Bioware even revealed the game and not many seemed to have a problem with it, so why is it a problem now?
Edit: @agaga in case you missed my post, there were sith sorcerers. Source http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sith_sorcerer
There may have been a comic book featuring a jedi that used a stick that was called a wizard, I ran across it on some site's "top 100 star wars characters", and there was definitely a "sorceress" in the ewok movies. If your only experience was the main trilogy, or newer the ones, don't discount what could have been said in the vast amount of other source material you missed out on.
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So, you won't enjoy the game because they chose to name an advanced class "Wizard" instead of "Jedi"? Classy..... People will really find anything to hate on, even if it's just what Bioware chose to name an advanced Class? You (I hate using this word) haters really need to find more innovative ways to hate on this game besides the use of the word Wizard.
Jedi has a very broad meaning, and Wizard, while not necessarily widely used in the Movies etc. is a very identifiable name for people to connect the classes use with. IMO it's smart if they want to appeal to a more wide array of people than just the Star Wars saavy.
This whole discussion is moot...
If lucasarts had a problem with the term sorc and wizard do you think they would actually allow bioware to go forward?
Get real guys, if you are as passionate about star wars as you claim to be then you know how lucas arts operates.
The names are fine,
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Names are according to lore. This is getting really annoying. They follow lore you b*tch and moan, they don't follow lore and you still b*tch and moan?
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Yup. There's multiple times in star wars lore where they have referred to force sensitive people as sorceress and witch. The witches of dothamir are a prime example of sith being called witches by the local inhabitants. And they might not have even been sith. There are alot of force users that are in a sort of gray area.
While i agree that it's probably a bad marketing move, it's probably better than "Master Midichlorian Manipulator". (Then again, i can totally see "Group lf tank-specced MM, must have green ls and trooper armor!"
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Sorceror is used quite often in fact; Sith sorcery is one form of dark side powers that appears quite often in SW media.
Jedi Wizard on the other hand, I've never heard of that; and it is quite unfitting imo as well.
Still, according to new interview with Daniel Erickson (lead writer), some of these things could still change; I hope they replace that particular on with something like 'Seer' or 'Sage' etc...
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Haha yea I dunno about the "wizard" thing. I've never read a jedi being referred to as a wizard. That is what lucas envisioned them as but it's not in the lore. But then again, lucasarts has always embraced the 3rd party contributions to the starwars galaxy so who knows. I'm sure they will name them something appropriate. Star wars fans can get pretty brutal hehe
And you are WRONG yet again.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sorcerers_of_Tund
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Oh sure, it's mentioned a couple of times in the films and even in EU.
But it's mostly used by non-Jedi to refer to practices which they don't really understand as 'magic'.
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Hopefully they'll use different terminology, but "wizard" is really misused in fantasy. The origin of the word comes from "wise". Wizard originally meant "someone who is wise in some particular area of expertise".
Old Ben Kenobi is referred to as a Wizard in Episode 4.
It has been mentioned a lot of times actually. And Star Wars is not just limited to movies. Seriously if you think sorcs and wizards are not part of Star Wars lore i don't know how you can call yourself true SW fan.
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Wizard comes from the word Wizened, which comes from the word Wise, however "wizard" itself never simply meant "wise".
Seriously this is becoming hilarious. Every damn day with a different whine post about TOR, and we are almost a year before release. I don't get this people. Is someone pointing a 9mm parabellum at your heads forcing you to buy this one??? By the time it comes out there will be plenty of quality MMO's to choose from.
Just don't buy it FFS!