Are people just not reading all the replies here? The leve cooldown doesn't encourage grouping, because you'd have to be a complete moron to share a leve without someone who doesn't have leves to share in return because you'd be severely nerfing your EXP rate at the expense of 6 or so extra gil. Even if you did share a leve without someone who had leves to share in return, you'd gain a lot more gil, but again at the expense of your EXP rate (agruably more important, especially to the "hardcore"). Parties aren't even needed for a majority of the content (including guild leves, which don't really change much even when you crank the difficulty all the way up). The loot doesn't even improve, just the gil.
Square Enix did mention they are working on finding away to increase party incentives. So we can hope, but the guild leve system isn't perfect as it is now, needs difficulty tweaking, and better rewards at higher difficulty then just an 1 or 2% more gil "bonus". Partying right now is a real mess and just unnecessary, a solo player is going to find their progression a lot faster and easier. A "leech" (someone who doesn't share leves and only feeds off others) is going to find their progression even better. Someone who doesn't know better and shares their leves is going to have their progression severely slowed down. This is a major problem.
Pretty much this. It's quite sad that rank 5 leves can be solo'd in the 1-10 area, too (when you're only level 4 or 5.)
I'm in a large LS in the beta right now, and even with tons of people on at all times, leves are scarce. We get together around 9 EST every night and do what we have, and it only lasts about 2 hours.... It's pitiful. Then we wait until tomorrow and see if other people who didn't log in last night have leves for tonight.
A LS that has a constant 5 people on (10+ during primetime) is only able to do leves for 2 hours a day. Yeah. Something's not right.
Thats a part of what beta is for, adjusting/tweaking things up. You can't do for leves for only 2 hours a day because right now there's a very limited ammount of leves. More will be added & you'll never face that problem again.
Lets split this equaly & say 4 leves a day.
10 x 4 = 40
40 x 30(mins)= 1200
1200 / 60 = 20hrs of leves a day
Do you play 20 hrs a day? I think not.
You just need to organize your Ls & then you can go out for a serie of leves mesh together to form a great adventure. Enjoy!
Came to this thread discussion party a bit late. After 100 posts what's the point. I stood around Camp Skull for 10 minutes asking the other 10-15 people standing there if I could help them do Guildleves since I had none.
None replied. Suppose I should have saved mine to share with them, then maybe they would have shared?
If 48hr guildleves are sole solo substance at launch, I will be sore and might sing a so-long soliloquy. /triedtoohard
I keep hope that there are more story quests only found one at rank 1 and one at rank 10. Granted I have not messed around with crafting much just gathering and combat, which I like. Maybe that's where all the secrets are... all I know is the beginning recipes sure seem secret. (Yes, I know they are on the beta forum...)
Are people just not reading all the replies here? The leve cooldown doesn't encourage grouping, because you'd have to be a complete moron to share a leve without someone who doesn't have leves to share in return because you'd be severely nerfing your EXP rate at the expense of 6 or so extra gil. Even if you did share a leve without someone who had leves to share in return, you'd gain a lot more gil, but again at the expense of your EXP rate (agruably more important, especially to the "hardcore"). Parties aren't even needed for a majority of the content (including guild leves, which don't really change much even when you crank the difficulty all the way up). The loot doesn't even improve, just the gil.
Square Enix did mention they are working on finding a way to increase party incentives. So we can hope, but the guild leve system isn't perfect as it is now, needs difficulty tweaking, and better rewards at higher difficulty then just an 1 or 2% more gil "bonus". Partying right now is a real mess and just unnecessary, a solo player is going to find their progression a lot faster and easier. A "leech" (someone who doesn't share leves and only feeds off others) is going to find their progression even better. Someone who doesn't know better and shares their leves is going to have their progression severely slowed down. This is a major problem.
I have no idea what you're talking about. Let's say you use your 8 leaves and finish them in 2 hours.
What's stopping you from joining other groups that are forming. Let's say you join a group with someone who hasn't done his 8 yet. You do his 8 for the next two hours. Then you find another group,etc etc. You may have 15 hours a day wher eyou want everyone in your group to have 8 of their leves not completed so that you can do your xp gaming in one fell swoop, but that's not the way it's designed.
You join a group for a few hours, if you run of leves, you join another group with people that still have theirs.
Maybe I'm missing something but can't you just group grind without leves? Don't they just provide a monetary reward? How in the world are people saying "Well, guess I'll log off for the next 44 hours after this leve" when they could just keep killing exactly the same mobs in exactly the same party and get exactly the same exp reward?
I've already said that you weren't alone in your cluelesness... Adding reference to 4-5 board isn't going to change a thing on the fact that you guys can't grasp the fact that its a very limited beta & not even a commercial one at that. Keep basing your opinion on just a small part of it, so far it worked wonders on your comprehension of the game... not.
Hahaha....oh. My. God. You're also one of those people who believe there's a magical retail build that SE is keeping from everyone.
The only real thing SE is holding out on is content. Systems will not drastically change in a month. What we have in beta is going to resemble the retail version, minus content. You should've picked this up in Cores Gamescom interview, and all the comments made by the media who were invited to the San Fransisco SE showcase.
All you're implying is that right until retail, SE is just giving us a crap version of the game and we should be expecting some golden commercial? I understand now. You're delusional =X
I've already said that you weren't alone in your cluelesness... Adding reference to 4-5 board isn't going to change a thing on the fact that you guys can't grasp the fact that its a very limited beta & not even a commercial one at that. Keep basing your opinion on just a small part of it, so far it worked wonders on your comprehension of the game... not.
Hahaha....oh. My. God. You're also one of those people who believe there's a magical retail build that SE is keeping from everyone.
The only real thing SE is holding out on is content. Systems will not drastically change in a month. What we have in beta is going to resemble the retail version, minus content. You should've picked this up in Cores Gamescom interview, and all the comments made by the media who were invited to the San Fransisco SE showcase.
All you're implying is that right until retail, SE is just giving us a crap version of the game and we should be expecting some golden commercial? I understand now. You're delusional =X
If you're THAT concerned... why don't you sit out this game for 6 months or until you think it's making changes to your liking. If not, then move on and save yourself the money and heartache. As for me, I'll be enjoying what the game actually does offer.
I've already said that you weren't alone in your cluelesness... Adding reference to 4-5 board isn't going to change a thing on the fact that you guys can't grasp the fact that its a very limited beta & not even a commercial one at that. Keep basing your opinion on just a small part of it, so far it worked wonders on your comprehension of the game... not.
Hahaha....oh. My. God. You're also one of those people who believe there's a magical retail build that SE is keeping from everyone.
The only real thing SE is holding out on is content. Systems will not drastically change in a month. What we have in beta is going to resemble the retail version, minus content. You should've picked this up in Cores Gamescom interview, and all the comments made by the media who were invited to the San Fransisco SE showcase.
All you're implying is that right until retail, SE is just giving us a crap version of the game and we should be expecting some golden commercial? I understand now. You're delusional =X
Get your damn head out of your arse!!
Yes, SE gave you very little. Its a real beta like they use to be, you know to TEST stuff... oh boy.
Yes, the system wont drastically change ( the core is fine as it is ), it just needs some tweaking.
Maybe I'm missing something but can't you just group grind without leves? Don't they just provide a monetary reward? How in the world are people saying "Well, guess I'll log off for the next 44 hours after this leve" when they could just keep killing exactly the same mobs in exactly the same party and get exactly the same exp reward?
well said Disdena
If you run out of Leves then just form a group and go and fight harder mobs than u would solo , common sence really.
I've already said that you weren't alone in your cluelesness... Adding reference to 4-5 board isn't going to change a thing on the fact that you guys can't grasp the fact that its a very limited beta & not even a commercial one at that. Keep basing your opinion on just a small part of it, so far it worked wonders on your comprehension of the game... not.
Hahaha....oh. My. God. You're also one of those people who believe there's a magical retail build that SE is keeping from everyone.
The only real thing SE is holding out on is content. Systems will not drastically change in a month. What we have in beta is going to resemble the retail version, minus content. You should've picked this up in Cores Gamescom interview, and all the comments made by the media who were invited to the San Fransisco SE showcase.
All you're implying is that right until retail, SE is just giving us a crap version of the game and we should be expecting some golden commercial? I understand now. You're delusional =X
If you're THAT concerned... why don't you sit out this game for 6 months or until you think it's making changes to your liking. If not, then move on and save yourself the money and heartache. As for me, I'll be enjoying what the game actually does offer.
I've already said that you weren't alone in your cluelesness... Adding reference to 4-5 board isn't going to change a thing on the fact that you guys can't grasp the fact that its a very limited beta & not even a commercial one at that. Keep basing your opinion on just a small part of it, so far it worked wonders on your comprehension of the game... not.
Hahaha....oh. My. God. You're also one of those people who believe there's a magical retail build that SE is keeping from everyone.
The only real thing SE is holding out on is content. Systems will not drastically change in a month. What we have in beta is going to resemble the retail version, minus content. You should've picked this up in Cores Gamescom interview, and all the comments made by the media who were invited to the San Fransisco SE showcase.
All you're implying is that right until retail, SE is just giving us a crap version of the game and we should be expecting some golden commercial? I understand now. You're delusional =X
If you're THAT concerned... why don't you sit out this game for 6 months or until you think it's making changes to your liking. If not, then move on and save yourself the money and heartache. As for me, I'll be enjoying what the game actually does offer.
To each his own.
Oh, I decided awhile to keep my pre-order, and not get around to playing it until the holidays. I have better things to do then play through a half assed game. You guys may be fine with a product that's incomplete, but I'm not about to let go of my standards. And those aren't very high to begin with lol.
I've already said that you weren't alone in your cluelesness... Adding reference to 4-5 board isn't going to change a thing on the fact that you guys can't grasp the fact that its a very limited beta & not even a commercial one at that. Keep basing your opinion on just a small part of it, so far it worked wonders on your comprehension of the game... not.
Hahaha....oh. My. God. You're also one of those people who believe there's a magical retail build that SE is keeping from everyone.
The only real thing SE is holding out on is content. Systems will not drastically change in a month. What we have in beta is going to resemble the retail version, minus content. You should've picked this up in Cores Gamescom interview, and all the comments made by the media who were invited to the San Fransisco SE showcase.
All you're implying is that right until retail, SE is just giving us a crap version of the game and we should be expecting some golden commercial? I understand now. You're delusional =X
Get your damn head out of your arse!!
Yes, SE gave you very little. Its a real beta like they use to be, you know to TEST stuff... oh boy.
Yes, the system wont drastically change ( the core is fine as it is ), it just needs some tweaking.
I don't really care about any of that stuff except the Auction House. I hope that is added soon... I don't wan this to turn into the Guild Wars trading nightmare. But I loved FFXI so I no concerns about this game. It may take some getting used to but I'm willing to do that for sure Still SUPER EXCITED!
I've already said that you weren't alone in your cluelesness... Adding reference to 4-5 board isn't going to change a thing on the fact that you guys can't grasp the fact that its a very limited beta & not even a commercial one at that. Keep basing your opinion on just a small part of it, so far it worked wonders on your comprehension of the game... not.
Hahaha....oh. My. God. You're also one of those people who believe there's a magical retail build that SE is keeping from everyone.
The only real thing SE is holding out on is content. Systems will not drastically change in a month. What we have in beta is going to resemble the retail version, minus content. You should've picked this up in Cores Gamescom interview, and all the comments made by the media who were invited to the San Fransisco SE showcase.
All you're implying is that right until retail, SE is just giving us a crap version of the game and we should be expecting some golden commercial? I understand now. You're delusional =X
Get your damn head out of your arse!!
Yes, SE gave you very little. Its a real beta like they use to be, you know to TEST stuff... oh boy.
Yes, the system wont drastically change ( the core is fine as it is ), it just needs some tweaking.
Some....hehe.
Your point being?
I'm done with you btw. So you really don't have to answer that.
I dont know what the hell is this trolls problem, i dont go into a forum of a game to cry about everythin it has or dont has if i know first hand im not gonna like it.This game is not for everyone. Theres no hidden features, or hidden advertising to hook people on to later be disapointed.SE give you "this" take it or go find another game.I been saying this in all my posts , maybe with the devs interview you finally understand this is their game , their way.
The game is how it is , None of this surprise me , in fact im happy for the most part since all of this was expected.I fail to see the "omg they have to make it this way or that way or they gonna loose this 1 customer ". I take the game with all its pros and cons, becouse i like what SE is doing.
All you people bashing the game becouse is not made for you should find a better entertainment, becouse , whatever you like it or not , the game already has its market , and your not in it.Trying to please everyone with meaningless thins will only lead to disaster.I am a fan but not blind . I am aware the game wont be perfect at launch , and as long as they focus on what matters( to make UI/server responce faster , since everythin is done server side ) i will be pleased, as well as many others who do enjoy this type of game ( RPG made into a MMO).SE already did it with ffxi, and talk all the bs you whant about 11 , but a lot of people enjoyed it , and it was damn succesfull from a monetary point of view, hell it has so many expansions , and was constantly updated.
You people really need to get of your cloud and move on, this game is not for you if you keep bitching it doesnt have this or that or you dont like this or that.Is a new game , and you need to adapt or move on.Is not the old copy paste crap.You have to take it as it is, Or go find another game, im fairly sure the game will have enough subs to keep it making money without any false advertising or GW2 video " we make this game thinking on you, no1 else make this but us , you go buy now "crap.Theres not such a thin as a universal game . This is a niche game for a niche market. Get it buried on your skull once and for all, and move on.
All the was expected was decent keyboard and mouse controls...you know, being on the PC and all. Majority of players will have a good investment in a keyboard and mouse...and now they ask us to spend at least another chunk for a gamepad most will be uncomfortable with? Asinine.
As far as im concerned , the mouse camera is the only problem the k/m set up has, and once they add hardware mouse, problem solved. Nobady its making you buy a gamepad to play this game .As far as most effective way of playing it (apart from targeting) keyboard only is still the best one. Just becouse everyother MMO you have played have the same M/K set up it does not mean all games have to have it. Theres way to many games outside of the MMO genre with awfull controls that have been top sells for quite a while.If you really whant i can make a list for you.The only problem is people have to adapt to a diferent layout of controls,but aparently thats way to much to ask.
From SE point of view you have to understand while you think is a simple thin when you develope for PS3 and PC at the same time, the weight is gonna fall to one of the sides. Is pretty obvious that ps3 is taking priority.Im not a blind fanboy as you point me out to be. They literally copy pasted the PS3 controls over to the PC version, and after that , they slowly been improving it . The controls in alpha compared to beta stage 3, the diference is huge, there are mayor improvements, but this is harder to do than what you think, and there are priorities, since the time is limited. To put a very simple example, Now you have to use the mouse to chooce skills and quest , otherwise they wont show up on your list, so you se they did broke somethin on the gamepad while trying to make the Mouse better.Of course this will be adressed but as you see theres work being done.I am 100% positive by release, or soon after all that will be fixed.
You also have a very interesting usage of the word "Bash". This is criticism, deal with it. You're messiah of a game isn't perfect. Not all XI and former XI players are as excited about it as you are. Just go visit the other big XIV fansites.
Crying without facts = / = criticism. Most people who come here shouting thins MUST be like this or like that arent even in beta. So please dont make absurd asumptions.
Yes, XI was successful from a financial perspective. But the cost of development for that title pales in comparison to XIV. If anything, XIV used just as much or probably more resources then The Old Republic. And they need at least a million subs in the first year to break even. If SEs only aiming for 500k again, it's going to take them a decade to get back into the black.
Completly wrong, theres already over 400 CE reserved in japan only. Again if you like links i will provide, the page is in japanese , but google translator is your friend. Face it they own japan, is the biggest thin there, that alone will keep the game going all by itself.Add a couple of hundreds more from NA and EU , well im sure you see the whole picture.I dont expect the game to be a big hit on NA,nighter does SE(or so they say )
It's you people who need to get off your cloud, take off your rose tinted glasses and stop shooting up questionable substances up your nose. I want this game to succeed. I was a huge XI fan and player. I own, played and completed every FF inside out. I have the majority of SE titles...even the meh ones for the 360. Being niche is not going to be good enough. When SE realizes they're not holding onto subscriptions as they had targeted, there will be some changes. The later years of XI showed they can and they will.
Being niche is not gonna be enough for who? for you ?.Your making asumptions without facts.People buying beta keys with 2 weeks from open beta says anythin , even after all the bad thins people say about the game ?. Or does the preorder sells dont give you a small hint?.Lets top that with no false advertising or even make it null advertising almost on the NA market. They didnt even score anythin on the latest game conventions. Still the preorders just keep comin. And everyone is aware of what the game has or doesnt has, at least everyone who took a min of their time to make some research.If you belive im in a cloud for giving out facts and substantial information , then by all means i am in a cloud.
EDIT; just saw a page that had 115K preorder of the game on states alone. SO add that to your small niche market.
How is mouse support an issue? NOBODY in FFXI used the mouse. It's 10 times easier without it.
The point is, if it's 10 times easier without the mouse... then there's something wrong with the mouse support.
FFXI was 10 times easier without the mouse. That's not the case with FFXIV. There's times the mouse works better, and there's times you can just use the keyboard. Honestly, controls are one of the smaller among issues to be worried about right now.
Are people just not reading all the replies here? The leve cooldown doesn't encourage grouping, because you'd have to be a complete moron to share a leve without someone who doesn't have leves to share in return because you'd be severely nerfing your EXP rate at the expense of 6 or so extra gil. Even if you did share a leve without someone who had leves to share in return, you'd gain a lot more gil, but again at the expense of your EXP rate (agruably more important, especially to the "hardcore"). Parties aren't even needed for a majority of the content (including guild leves, which don't really change much even when you crank the difficulty all the way up). The loot doesn't even improve, just the gil.
Square Enix did mention they are working on finding a way to increase party incentives. So we can hope, but the guild leve system isn't perfect as it is now, needs difficulty tweaking, and better rewards at higher difficulty then just an 1 or 2% more gil "bonus". Partying right now is a real mess and just unnecessary, a solo player is going to find their progression a lot faster and easier. A "leech" (someone who doesn't share leves and only feeds off others) is going to find their progression even better. Someone who doesn't know better and shares their leves is going to have their progression severely slowed down. This is a major problem.
I have no idea what you're talking about. Let's say you use your 8 leaves and finish them in 2 hours.
What's stopping you from joining other groups that are forming. Let's say you join a group with someone who hasn't done his 8 yet. You do his 8 for the next two hours. Then you find another group,etc etc. You may have 15 hours a day wher eyou want everyone in your group to have 8 of their leves not completed so that you can do your xp gaming in one fell swoop, but that's not the way it's designed.
You join a group for a few hours, if you run of leves, you join another group with people that still have theirs.
What's the problem here?
Problem is a combination of things as I already mentioned and seemed to be completely ignored by anyone responding to my posts. I suppose I have to spell out the problems.
Let's say I do leves with 15 members of a linkshell. We all appropiately share our leves with each other. Now here comes the problem:
1. Currently the difficulty is so easy that I could probably handle the leve with only 2 or 3 people on the highest difficulty (LEGION), making it a ridiculously easy zerging exercise. Usually, the MOBs will be dead before you can even hit them.
2. EXP is slowed to a halt because instead of the usual 600/700 EXP earned for killing something in a leve solo, it's now 20/30 because so many people are hitting it. There is no bonus experience for grouping.
3. EXP is further gimped because you wind up spending more time travelling between leves than fighting (because again, with this many people everything is going to die in a single round of hits, even on legion difficulty).
4. You have to spend all the additional time sorting out leves to make sure members don't have additional leves. Members have to run back and forth between town and camp to pick up leves after someone completed them. They don't overlap. If you both have the same leve and someone starts a leve, that counts as your leve being completed to.
5. All this trouble and you only get extra gil for your efforts. You will not get extra loot items and marks for doing other people's leves, just gil. You spent 10 or so hours that doing leves for the SAME EXP that someone who spent 5 minutes soloing. Yes, it's that bad. If you continuing doing this whenever your leves are up, you'll have tons of gil for someone in your tier, but the person who solos and moves on to grinding is going to be a far higher tier than you, and thus probably have even more gil than you.
Now you assume you can continue doing leves with other people even when you yourself doesn't have them, but this really isn't the case. Since the other person really gets no benefit (aside from a few extra gil for being able to increase the difficulty bonus, no it does not improve the loot item you get) and has their EXP halfed for inviting you, why should they invite you? Most people in beta realize this, that's why there are no groups going on when you get to Bloodskull on, because people will have realized by now that groups currently are more of a negative than positive, which is definitely not the way it should be and I'm sure Square Enix didn't intend for this.
Are people just not reading all the replies here? The leve cooldown doesn't encourage grouping, because you'd have to be a complete moron to share a leve without someone who doesn't have leves to share in return because you'd be severely nerfing your EXP rate at the expense of 6 or so extra gil. Even if you did share a leve without someone who had leves to share in return, you'd gain a lot more gil, but again at the expense of your EXP rate (agruably more important, especially to the "hardcore"). Parties aren't even needed for a majority of the content (including guild leves, which don't really change much even when you crank the difficulty all the way up). The loot doesn't even improve, just the gil.
Square Enix did mention they are working on finding a way to increase party incentives. So we can hope, but the guild leve system isn't perfect as it is now, needs difficulty tweaking, and better rewards at higher difficulty then just an 1 or 2% more gil "bonus". Partying right now is a real mess and just unnecessary, a solo player is going to find their progression a lot faster and easier. A "leech" (someone who doesn't share leves and only feeds off others) is going to find their progression even better. Someone who doesn't know better and shares their leves is going to have their progression severely slowed down. This is a major problem.
I have no idea what you're talking about. Let's say you use your 8 leaves and finish them in 2 hours.
What's stopping you from joining other groups that are forming. Let's say you join a group with someone who hasn't done his 8 yet. You do his 8 for the next two hours. Then you find another group,etc etc. You may have 15 hours a day wher eyou want everyone in your group to have 8 of their leves not completed so that you can do your xp gaming in one fell swoop, but that's not the way it's designed.
You join a group for a few hours, if you run of leves, you join another group with people that still have theirs.
What's the problem here?
Problem is a combination of things as I already mentioned and seemed to be completely ignored by anyone responding to my posts. I suppose I have to spell out the problems.
Let's say I do leves with 15 members of a linkshell. We all appropiately share our leves with each other. Now here comes the problem:
1. Currently the difficulty is so easy that I could probably handle the leve with only 2 or 3 people on the highest difficulty (LEGION), making it a ridiculously easy zerging exercise. Usually, the MOBs will be dead before you can even hit them.
2. EXP is slowed to a halt because instead of the usual 600/700 EXP earned for killing something in a leve solo, it's now 20/30 because so many people are hitting it. There is no bonus experience for grouping.
3. EXP is further gimped because you wind up spending more time travelling between leves than fighting (because again, with this many people everything is going to die in a single round of hits, even on legion difficulty).
4. You have to spend all the additional time sorting out leves to make sure members don't have additional leves. Members have to run back and forth between town and camp to pick up leves after someone completed them. They don't overlap. If you both have the same leve and someone starts a leve, that counts as your leve being completed to.
5. All this trouble and you only get extra gil for your efforts. You will not get extra loot items and marks for doing other people's leves, just gil. You spent 10 or so hours that doing leves for the SAME EXP that someone who spent 5 minutes soloing. Yes, it's that bad. If you continuing doing this whenever your leves are up, you'll have tons of gil for someone in your tier, but the person who solos and moves on to grinding is going to be a far higher tier than you, and thus probably have even more gil than you.
Now you assume you can continue doing leves with other people even when you yourself doesn't have them, but this really isn't the case. Since the other person really gets no benefit (aside from a few extra gil for being able to increase the difficulty bonus, no it does not improve the loot item you get) and has their EXP halfed for inviting you, why should they invite you? Most people in beta realize this, that's why there are no groups going on when you get to Bloodskull on, because people will have realized by now that groups currently are more of a negative than positive, which is definitely not the way it should be and I'm sure Square Enix didn't intend for this.
The only keyword in all you said is ''currently''. I'm sorry but thats a fact.
Not even mentioning that the game is in beta, that SHOULD be obvious.
Are people just not reading all the replies here? The leve cooldown doesn't encourage grouping, because you'd have to be a complete moron to share a leve without someone who doesn't have leves to share in return because you'd be severely nerfing your EXP rate at the expense of 6 or so extra gil. Even if you did share a leve without someone who had leves to share in return, you'd gain a lot more gil, but again at the expense of your EXP rate (agruably more important, especially to the "hardcore"). Parties aren't even needed for a majority of the content (including guild leves, which don't really change much even when you crank the difficulty all the way up). The loot doesn't even improve, just the gil.
Square Enix did mention they are working on finding a way to increase party incentives. So we can hope, but the guild leve system isn't perfect as it is now, needs difficulty tweaking, and better rewards at higher difficulty then just an 1 or 2% more gil "bonus". Partying right now is a real mess and just unnecessary, a solo player is going to find their progression a lot faster and easier. A "leech" (someone who doesn't share leves and only feeds off others) is going to find their progression even better. Someone who doesn't know better and shares their leves is going to have their progression severely slowed down. This is a major problem.
I have no idea what you're talking about. Let's say you use your 8 leaves and finish them in 2 hours.
What's stopping you from joining other groups that are forming. Let's say you join a group with someone who hasn't done his 8 yet. You do his 8 for the next two hours. Then you find another group,etc etc. You may have 15 hours a day wher eyou want everyone in your group to have 8 of their leves not completed so that you can do your xp gaming in one fell swoop, but that's not the way it's designed.
You join a group for a few hours, if you run of leves, you join another group with people that still have theirs.
What's the problem here?
Im taking it that you guys havent heard about battle regimans.
battle regimans are like skill chains in ffxi but they come with a big xp and skill point boost everytime u pull them off in battle. The incentive lies there. I am in beta and i can tell you guys for fact that the bonus you get from actually pulling these off in a 5 man group is quite a bit more then what you would make solo questing. Imagine if you got them off twice in a battle!!!
The only keyword in all you said is ''currently''. I'm sorry but thats a fact.
Not even mentioning that the game is in beta, that SHOULD be obvious.
Yes, and I have high hopes for this game. There is no way it's release ready yet. They cannot possibly fix all or even a majority of the problems right now in beta. Fixing the EXP issue is one thing, but going over each guildleve and fixing the difficulty would be a whole other entirely, and they would have to add some type of incentive to each guildleve for party play. It would require a whole revamp of the system. Consider that this is going to be put on the backburner for a long time, there are more pressing issues (the sluggish UI). You can't use the it's beta excuse here. It would be a literal miracle, I'm not exaggerating here, if they fix the huge number of issues and listen to player feedback within a month. I plan on playing it at release, but I can't recommend to anyone who isn't sure of their purchase to pick up and play this game at release, maybe 6 months to a year down the line. Sadly, they are going to lose a huge number of potiental subscribers, including those who will return to FFXI instead, if the release date isn't pushed back (and I doubt it will).
The only keyword in all you said is ''currently''. I'm sorry but thats a fact.
Not even mentioning that the game is in beta, that SHOULD be obvious.
Yes, and I have high hopes for this game. There is no way it's release ready yet. They cannot possibly fix all or even a majority of the problems right now in beta. Fixing the EXP issue is one thing, but going over each guildleve and fixing the difficulty would be a whole other entirely, and they would have to add some type of incentive to each guildleve for party play. It would require a whole revamp of the system. Consider that this is going to be put on the backburner for a long time, there are more pressing issues (the sluggish UI). You can't use the it's beta excuse here. It would be a literal miracle, I'm not exaggerating here, if they fix the huge number of issues and listen to player feedback within a month. I plan on playing it at release, but I can't recommend to anyone who isn't sure of their purchase to pick up and play this game at release, maybe 6 months to a year down the line. Sadly, they are going to lose a huge number of potiental subscribers, including those who will return to FFXI instead, if the release date isn't pushed back (and I doubt it will).
Ding ding ding, this guy has it.
This isn't a game to recommend to many people. That says a lot right there. First impressions does say a lot for MMOs. Vanguard, AoC are prime examples.
The only keyword in all you said is ''currently''. I'm sorry but thats a fact.
Not even mentioning that the game is in beta, that SHOULD be obvious.
Yes, and I have high hopes for this game. There is no way it's release ready yet. They cannot possibly fix all or even a majority of the problems right now in beta. Fixing the EXP issue is one thing, but going over each guildleve and fixing the difficulty would be a whole other entirely, and they would have to add some type of incentive to each guildleve for party play. It would require a whole revamp of the system. Consider that this is going to be put on the backburner for a long time, there are more pressing issues (the sluggish UI). You can't use the it's beta excuse here. It would be a literal miracle, I'm not exaggerating here, if they fix the huge number of issues and listen to player feedback within a month. I plan on playing it at release, but I can't recommend to anyone who isn't sure of their purchase to pick up and play this game at release, maybe 6 months to a year down the line. Sadly, they are going to lose a huge number of potiental subscribers, including those who will return to FFXI instead, if the release date isn't pushed back (and I doubt it will).
I also highly doubt the possibility of launch being pushed back. It's only a month away, and I think they would've mentioned something by now. Instead the most recent thing I've heard is server preparation. It's going to come out. I will be playing. I know they won't abandon the game. I know it's going to be rough, that it is rough right now, but I also know they are going to continue to improve the game.
Look at how far FFXI has come and all the content we've seen. I will have no problem experiencing the game through the hard times and the undoubtedly many good times along the way. A huge reason I'm going to be playing this game is for the world exploration, so as long as the world is there I'm pleased already.
I hope there are many willing to brave the storm. I will see you all in game and hope to form some lasting connections with you all like in XI.
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Thats a part of what beta is for, adjusting/tweaking things up. You can't do for leves for only 2 hours a day because right now there's a very limited ammount of leves. More will be added & you'll never face that problem again.
Lets split this equaly & say 4 leves a day.
10 x 4 = 40
40 x 30(mins)= 1200
1200 / 60 = 20hrs of leves a day
Do you play 20 hrs a day? I think not.
You just need to organize your Ls & then you can go out for a serie of leves mesh together to form a great adventure. Enjoy!
Came to this thread discussion party a bit late. After 100 posts what's the point.
I stood around Camp Skull for 10 minutes asking the other 10-15 people standing there if I could help them do Guildleves since I had none.
None replied. Suppose I should have saved mine to share with them, then maybe they would have shared?
If 48hr guildleves are sole solo substance at launch, I will be sore and might sing a so-long soliloquy. /triedtoohard
I keep hope that there are more story quests only found one at rank 1 and one at rank 10. Granted I have not messed around with crafting much just gathering and combat, which I like. Maybe that's where all the secrets are... all I know is the beginning recipes sure seem secret. (Yes, I know they are on the beta forum...)
I have no idea what you're talking about. Let's say you use your 8 leaves and finish them in 2 hours.
What's stopping you from joining other groups that are forming. Let's say you join a group with someone who hasn't done his 8 yet. You do his 8 for the next two hours. Then you find another group,etc etc. You may have 15 hours a day wher eyou want everyone in your group to have 8 of their leves not completed so that you can do your xp gaming in one fell swoop, but that's not the way it's designed.
You join a group for a few hours, if you run of leves, you join another group with people that still have theirs.
What's the problem here?
Maybe I'm missing something but can't you just group grind without leves? Don't they just provide a monetary reward? How in the world are people saying "Well, guess I'll log off for the next 44 hours after this leve" when they could just keep killing exactly the same mobs in exactly the same party and get exactly the same exp reward?
If they don't fix the mouse ALMOST EVERYONE will be trying to get their money back, REMEMBER this game will be on public display for everyone !
FIX THE MOUSE, and now !
Hahaha....oh. My. God. You're also one of those people who believe there's a magical retail build that SE is keeping from everyone.
The only real thing SE is holding out on is content. Systems will not drastically change in a month. What we have in beta is going to resemble the retail version, minus content. You should've picked this up in Cores Gamescom interview, and all the comments made by the media who were invited to the San Fransisco SE showcase.
All you're implying is that right until retail, SE is just giving us a crap version of the game and we should be expecting some golden commercial? I understand now. You're delusional =X
If you're THAT concerned... why don't you sit out this game for 6 months or until you think it's making changes to your liking. If not, then move on and save yourself the money and heartache. As for me, I'll be enjoying what the game actually does offer.
To each his own.
Get your damn head out of your arse!!
Yes, SE gave you very little. Its a real beta like they use to be, you know to TEST stuff... oh boy.
Yes, the system wont drastically change ( the core is fine as it is ), it just needs some tweaking.
well said Disdena
If you run out of Leves then just form a group and go and fight harder mobs than u would solo , common sence really.
Amen bro
Oh, I decided awhile to keep my pre-order, and not get around to playing it until the holidays. I have better things to do then play through a half assed game. You guys may be fine with a product that's incomplete, but I'm not about to let go of my standards. And those aren't very high to begin with lol.
Some....hehe.
I don't really care about any of that stuff except the Auction House. I hope that is added soon... I don't wan this to turn into the Guild Wars trading nightmare. But I loved FFXI so I no concerns about this game. It may take some getting used to but I'm willing to do that for sure
Still SUPER EXCITED!
Your point being?
I'm done with you btw. So you really don't have to answer that.
How is mouse support an issue? NOBODY in FFXI used the mouse. It's 10 times easier without it.
"He who cannot draw on 3,000 years is living hand-to-mouth." -Goethe
The point is, if it's 10 times easier without the mouse... then there's something wrong with the mouse support.
mhuaaaaa! how cute is that.
/cheers m8
edit: I could report this, but you're such a cute troll that I wont it.
Do you have more bright insight to share? I'm interested really! Show us how bright of a lightbulb you are.
FFXI was 10 times easier without the mouse. That's not the case with FFXIV. There's times the mouse works better, and there's times you can just use the keyboard. Honestly, controls are one of the smaller among issues to be worried about right now.
Problem is a combination of things as I already mentioned and seemed to be completely ignored by anyone responding to my posts. I suppose I have to spell out the problems.
Let's say I do leves with 15 members of a linkshell. We all appropiately share our leves with each other. Now here comes the problem:
1. Currently the difficulty is so easy that I could probably handle the leve with only 2 or 3 people on the highest difficulty (LEGION), making it a ridiculously easy zerging exercise. Usually, the MOBs will be dead before you can even hit them.
2. EXP is slowed to a halt because instead of the usual 600/700 EXP earned for killing something in a leve solo, it's now 20/30 because so many people are hitting it. There is no bonus experience for grouping.
3. EXP is further gimped because you wind up spending more time travelling between leves than fighting (because again, with this many people everything is going to die in a single round of hits, even on legion difficulty).
4. You have to spend all the additional time sorting out leves to make sure members don't have additional leves. Members have to run back and forth between town and camp to pick up leves after someone completed them. They don't overlap. If you both have the same leve and someone starts a leve, that counts as your leve being completed to.
5. All this trouble and you only get extra gil for your efforts. You will not get extra loot items and marks for doing other people's leves, just gil. You spent 10 or so hours that doing leves for the SAME EXP that someone who spent 5 minutes soloing. Yes, it's that bad. If you continuing doing this whenever your leves are up, you'll have tons of gil for someone in your tier, but the person who solos and moves on to grinding is going to be a far higher tier than you, and thus probably have even more gil than you.
Now you assume you can continue doing leves with other people even when you yourself doesn't have them, but this really isn't the case. Since the other person really gets no benefit (aside from a few extra gil for being able to increase the difficulty bonus, no it does not improve the loot item you get) and has their EXP halfed for inviting you, why should they invite you? Most people in beta realize this, that's why there are no groups going on when you get to Bloodskull on, because people will have realized by now that groups currently are more of a negative than positive, which is definitely not the way it should be and I'm sure Square Enix didn't intend for this.
The only keyword in all you said is ''currently''. I'm sorry but thats a fact.
Not even mentioning that the game is in beta, that SHOULD be obvious.
Im taking it that you guys havent heard about battle regimans.
battle regimans are like skill chains in ffxi but they come with a big xp and skill point boost everytime u pull them off in battle. The incentive lies there. I am in beta and i can tell you guys for fact that the bonus you get from actually pulling these off in a 5 man group is quite a bit more then what you would make solo questing. Imagine if you got them off twice in a battle!!!
Yes, and I have high hopes for this game. There is no way it's release ready yet. They cannot possibly fix all or even a majority of the problems right now in beta. Fixing the EXP issue is one thing, but going over each guildleve and fixing the difficulty would be a whole other entirely, and they would have to add some type of incentive to each guildleve for party play. It would require a whole revamp of the system. Consider that this is going to be put on the backburner for a long time, there are more pressing issues (the sluggish UI). You can't use the it's beta excuse here. It would be a literal miracle, I'm not exaggerating here, if they fix the huge number of issues and listen to player feedback within a month. I plan on playing it at release, but I can't recommend to anyone who isn't sure of their purchase to pick up and play this game at release, maybe 6 months to a year down the line. Sadly, they are going to lose a huge number of potiental subscribers, including those who will return to FFXI instead, if the release date isn't pushed back (and I doubt it will).
Ding ding ding, this guy has it.
This isn't a game to recommend to many people. That says a lot right there. First impressions does say a lot for MMOs. Vanguard, AoC are prime examples.
I also highly doubt the possibility of launch being pushed back. It's only a month away, and I think they would've mentioned something by now. Instead the most recent thing I've heard is server preparation. It's going to come out. I will be playing. I know they won't abandon the game. I know it's going to be rough, that it is rough right now, but I also know they are going to continue to improve the game.
Look at how far FFXI has come and all the content we've seen. I will have no problem experiencing the game through the hard times and the undoubtedly many good times along the way. A huge reason I'm going to be playing this game is for the world exploration, so as long as the world is there I'm pleased already.
I hope there are many willing to brave the storm. I will see you all in game and hope to form some lasting connections with you all like in XI.