I've been in just about every MMO beta except for a few pvp centric games like mortal, and i wasn't in DAoC. Not once in any beta test have i EVER seen a substantial amount of content held back to surprise everyone at release. What i have seen though is players constantly say "the devs said this isn't all the game they are holding back for launch so players don't see everything and get burnt out". I've seen that a billion times and it's NEVER been true. It just doesn't work that way. So unless someone can provide a quote from a developer saying they are holding back large portions of the game then it's complete BS. It just does NOT happen that way. I'd love to see such a link and be proven wrong, i really would as that would give something to look forward to.
SE stated long ago that there will be 3 starting cities with their surronding area and at least 1 main city for higher level players with all the higher level area.
In FFXI, the 3 bases cities are Windurst, Bastok and San d'Oria. Each has 2 low levels areas around them. Then there is 1 interconnecting zone then there is the 3 areas surronding the higher level city, Jeuno. (That doesnt include any inside area. Only the world map).
In FFXIV, there isnt even the higher level city or any of the higher level areas that the devs explicitly stated there will be. So how can you claim that there wont be more at release ? lol
The link to the patched map that was posted in this thread clearly show the 3 starting cities, their surronding area and 2 interconnecting zone. Nothing about the 4th city and higher level area.
I've been in just about every MMO beta except for a few pvp centric games like mortal, and i wasn't in DAoC. Not once in any beta test have i EVER seen a substantial amount of content held back to surprise everyone at release. What i have seen though is players constantly say "the devs said this isn't all the game they are holding back for launch so players don't see everything and get burnt out". I've seen that a billion times and it's NEVER been true. It just doesn't work that way. So unless someone can provide a quote from a developer saying they are holding back large portions of the game then it's complete BS. It just does NOT happen that way. I'd love to see such a link and be proven wrong, i really would as that would give something to look forward to.
SE stated long ago that there will be 3 starting cities with their surronding area and at least 1 main city for higher level players with all the higher level area.
In FFXI, the 3 bases cities are Windurst, Bastok and San d'Oria. Each has 2 low levels areas around them. Then there is 1 interconnecting zone then there is the 3 areas surronding the higher level city, Jeuno. (That doesnt include any inside area. Only the world map).
In FFXIV, there isnt even the higher level city or any of the higher level areas that the devs explicitly stated there will be. So how can you claim that there wont be more at release ? lol
The link to the patched map that was posted in this thread clearly show the 3 starting cities, their surronding area and 2 interconnecting zone. Nothing about the 4th city and higher level area.
Wouldn't the high level area be Mor Dhona off to the NW? That's kinda what I figured.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
No Mor Dhona is probably just one of the interconnecting area. Look at the world map : High level area will be around Ishgard. (Naturaly, there will probably be "inside" areas that are high levels at other places).
No Mor Dhona is probably just one of the interconnecting area. Look at the world map : High level area will be around Ishgard. (Naturaly, there will probably be "inside" areas that are high levels at other places).
Mor Dhol ? Or where you thinking to another area ?
Nope.. Mor Dhona. If you look on the composite map linked on the first page, and then the one you linked - assuming the areas are lined up as they are geographically in-game, that would put Dravania on your map, right where Mor Dhona is on the composite one.
Unless the composite map has Mor Dhona completely in the wrong place.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Yeh but the problem is they're all corridors and really small and restrictive. There is only one zone that is open and even that is annoying because of all the invisible walls, the game needs jump so we can negotiate the terrain better. Even frigging map feels like Kash on SWG.
The dev's said the open beta pretty much has everything in it that the final game will have, minus a few things.
yeah considering the client is missing 6gb of information..... no. that is not true.
The composite map isnt correct. Look at Mor Dhona : On the west part of the map, there is Silvertear Falls.
Now if you look on the official map, you see that Silvertear Falls is south/west of Gridania. Ishgard, the 4th city is north of Silvertear, past Doerthas. Mor Dhol is really Mor Dhona. Doerthas is one of the area that isnt in the OB and and that directly surround Ishgard.
Also on the composite map, you see that the borders of the various area arent connecting correctly. La Noscea doesnt make any sense : its an island and should be west of Mor Dhona.
Yeh but the problem is they're all corridors and really small and restrictive. There is only one zone that is open and even that is annoying because of all the invisible walls, the game needs jump so we can negotiate the terrain better. Even frigging map feels like Kash on SWG.
The dev's said the open beta pretty much has everything in it that the final game will have, minus a few things.
yeah considering the client is missing 6gb of information..... no. that is not true.
why do you and others keep regurgitating the same misinformation?
Do you not realize that hard disk space requirements always high-ball the number to make sure there's room for patches, expansions and such?
really?
You really think they have 6gb of stuff unreleased to testers? No, it's all there. The requirement for 15gb free is a CYA only.
you people are so gullible i cant beleive you say "oh its just beta they will add more zones and content over time"..
would you buy a house if the seller told you, "live in it for 6 months then we'll put walls in it, then 6 months after that we will add a roof"..
i have a fast pc it runs the framerate fine but the interface lag is horrible i just spam buttons and 5 seconds later my guy does an attack. auto target is completely jacked.
i have a fast pc it runs the framerate fine but the interface lag is horrible i just spam buttons and 5 seconds later my guy does an attack. auto target is completely jacked.
Umm, your aware that by doing that, you are in fact creating your own problem. If you spam attack buttons they do in fact go into a kind of buffer and everything after that is just a waste of effort. It has killed me many times over when I get low on stamina (which also builds in a delay on attack firing). Relax, hit an attack, and once you see it go off, hit the next. If your stamina is too low (big bar not filled) you will be 'readying' your attack, and it will not go off until you have enough stamina. If your too much ADD to wait a second or two for your 1-2 second cast timer attack to go off, or your spamming attacks so much that your character is just too tired to do them all right that very second, then purhaps this game is not for you.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
i have a fast pc it runs the framerate fine but the interface lag is horrible i just spam buttons and 5 seconds later my guy does an attack. auto target is completely jacked.
Umm, your aware that by doing that, you are in fact creating your own problem. If you spam attack buttons they do in fact go into a kind of buffer and everything after that is just a waste of effort. It has killed me many times over when I get low on stamina (which also builds in a delay on attack firing). Relax, hit an attack, and once you see it go off, hit the next. If your stamina is too low (big bar not filled) you will be 'readying' your attack, and it will not go off until you have enough stamina. If your too much ADD to wait a second or two for your 1-2 second cast timer attack to go off, or your spamming attacks so much that your character is just too tired to do them all right that very second, then purhaps this game is not for you.
You also need to remeber that you can que one attack after you select an attack. You can tell if you have an attack qued or not by looking at the stam useage block and if its blue then you have an attack qued.
Yeh but the problem is they're all corridors and really small and restrictive. There is only one zone that is open and even that is annoying because of all the invisible walls, the game needs jump so we can negotiate the terrain better. Even frigging map feels like Kash on SWG.
The dev's said the open beta pretty much has everything in it that the final game will have, minus a few things.
yeah considering the client is missing 6gb of information..... no. that is not true.
Nope it''s not missing any data.. the required space for "INSTALL" is 15gb this includes overhead for the download and extraction (6gb) (it has to hold the data somewhere as it unpacks) then the actual space taken by the game will be 8-9gb which is exactly what the OB client is currently using.
Of course there is a ton of stuff not actually enabled yet i.e the storyline quest arc etc.. . but physical data is already there and will only increase slightly as patches are implemented or as they maybe dump a cutscene/FMV on it but will probably just stick to using in game cutscenes. .
as beautiful as this game is, its very linear, in the respect that, when you travel your not openly traveling whereever you want, there are funneled areas, if you look at the map, all the other places you see from your character arent really able to get there. so to me this isnt really an open world, its more like a maze of paths, and small "coves" and nooks, and then you got the towns. to me thats really linear exploration, which is not typical of a MMORPG. but i guess considering the limitations of the PS3, that is to be expected, afterall the PC version is nothing more than a slightly visually upgraded port of the Console version. granted im not knocking it, it looks good, but you end up losing alot of aspects of a true MMO experience we used to have, where you could go to remote places, have an adventure. Here its all funneled, and in what amounts to a maze of predefined paths.
why do you have to revert str8 to wow as your source of arguement? yes I got hacked but I managed to get it back, and? Lets say you not pick and choose certain parts of what i say and take it out of context. and Yes your correct wow,does have chokepoints, entry points to the zone, but the zones themselves are large and open, and the transistion is seamless.where as FFXIV for example where you start, is riddled with little paths that you cant get away from. then load to a new area. I played plenty of other MMO's that were far more open visually, as well as to exploration. Secondly you cant jump, or jump down to other places to get there quicker. Frankly your response is filled quite a bit of distain. and No Its not uninformed bias. The game isnt necessarily bad, but do recognize its limitations. I saw what i saw, and played, I then responded on it.
Yes it is a wall of text, though a Well thought out wall of text, servers down or not, there is always something else to do. laundry, dishes, walk the dog, pick your choice. I have my opinion on things I experienced, if you like the game cool, but dont try to break down my arguement by picking out tid bits, then taking them out of context, and going on a rant about them.
Your funny, really. An educated man would try and use common ground as a basis for comparison, which is what I did by using WoW since we are both well versed in that game. God forbid I should try and use common knowledge as a basis for discussion. Perhaps you dont like WoW and feel I should have chosen another, my appolgies for thinking the other way around. Now on to your next point, where you so nicely believe that I picked out tidbits to discuss out of context. What I decided to do is highlight (in GREEN)all the places in your post that I tried to adress in mine. As you can see, you have me somewhat confused, it doesn't appear to me that I nitpicked and pulled out only a few tidbits to discuss, I grabbed almost every single view you put in yoru post and tried to address them all.
As for you argument that there are transistions and load screens all over FFXIV?? Where exactly?? The markets, yes, they are instanced intentionally like most games have player housing instanced so the retainers do not lag down the cities. The ferry boat, yes at the start and end of the journey sure. Where else?? Seriously, I haven't encountered these myself, and I have been all over the damn place in this game now and haven't had to wait to load anything. Are you sure this isnt' end user lag on your end? Because I'm not seeing this at all in FFXIV, transfer from city to zone to zone to zone to zone is 100% transperant and without load for me.
Oh and the jump issue, yeah, thats a priceless argument you got there. The whole 'this world sucks because I can't get everywhere i want by jumping' routine. Just where exactly do you want to jump? And why do you need to jump there? And finally (to make sure i once again address ALL of your concerns as to not be called a nitpicker) the other things I could have done instead of type all of that...well sure, but how many of those can YOU do in about 5 minutes time? Because that entire wall of text took me MAYBE 5 minutes to type. This one 7 minutes (yes I timed it), and longer only because I went back twice to make sure I got EVERY ISSUE you had covered.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
you people are so gullible i cant beleive you say "oh its just beta they will add more zones and content over time"..
would you buy a house if the seller told you, "live in it for 6 months then we'll put walls in it, then 6 months after that we will add a roof"..
a Bit extreme comparison you put there bud but ,
If i already had bought hundreds of thins from that seller(every single player game from SE), and a house before in the same state and ended up being a palace(FFXI),The only answeer i can give you is HELL YES I WOULD.
you people are so gullible i cant beleive you say "oh its just beta they will add more zones and content over time"..
Are you implying they won't?
FFXI launched with a world map not much larger than XIV's will be at launch and look how huge it's become over time.
It's not gullibility to believe SE - or any MMO developer - will continue to expand their game worlds over time to become much larger than what they launch with. It's common sense.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Well im sure its because they are planning to make more money selling you expansions asides from your mothly payments ^_^
Exactly.
I think 2011 will be the year that people realize just how low developers are willing to stoop to charge you for a game + $15 + whatever they can psychologically make you feel the need to spend. All the while feeling convinced that you don't deserve anything more. Neat and tidy manupulation.
"I'm not cheap I'm incredibly subconsciously financially optimized" "The worst part of censorship is ------------------"
K so this is a good a place as any to start, after reading all complaints and blah blah blah,
1st of all kiddies read the official release notes not the crap u find on third party sites, lack of PvP..... erm read official notes there WILL be pvp. its somewhat restricted but it is there.
the story quest in beta ends after level 5 BECAUSE they dont want you knowing more than that, it actually continues untill the level cap,
you ARE NOT restricted to (x) amount of leveling hours a week, as said inthe latest press release the "translation" of the director whatever his name is..... was wrong he said it in the best possible way he could to flame people, they even said it themselves, it was a deliberate move to get people talking, and what? it worked didnt it... FF14 gets more exposure from flaming trolls.......yay.
Good or bad they got the attention they wanted, it keeps wow players were they belong..... in thre basemeant playing wow, hitting the lvl cap in a month and wasting there money.
As for those complaining about resource hogging, im on an I5 750 @ 2.6. 4Gig ddr3 and a Gforce GT320, so far none of the issues everyone else speaks of, altho the guy runnin a dual core on a 32 bit operating system.... shes only running one core on 32 bit bud.
i aint a fanboy or anything but seriously, the guys complaining it aint a WoW clone, keep playing WoW and leave it at that, the ones complaining half the craps missing, ITS BETA, not only that but its the alpha model for the stress test not the finished product -.-
Anyway its a simple case of update drivrs, change with the times, get used to the new, and stop crying like 12 year olds.
Rant over.... let the flaming begin
Yeah right, if they could get a large portion of the WoW players they would cry from pure joy and happiness. They want to sell their games to as many people as possible, not the other way around. They are a profit driven company, just like all the others.
K so this is a good a place as any to start, after reading all complaints and blah blah blah,
1st of all kiddies read the official release notes not the crap u find on third party sites, lack of PvP..... erm read official notes there WILL be pvp. its somewhat restricted but it is there.
the story quest in beta ends after level 5 BECAUSE they dont want you knowing more than that, it actually continues untill the level cap,
you ARE NOT restricted to (x) amount of leveling hours a week, as said inthe latest press release the "translation" of the director whatever his name is..... was wrong he said it in the best possible way he could to flame people, they even said it themselves, it was a deliberate move to get people talking, and what? it worked didnt it... FF14 gets more exposure from flaming trolls.......yay.
Good or bad they got the attention they wanted, it keeps wow players were they belong..... in thre basemeant playing wow, hitting the lvl cap in a month and wasting there money.
As for those complaining about resource hogging, im on an I5 750 @ 2.6. 4Gig ddr3 and a Gforce GT320, so far none of the issues everyone else speaks of, altho the guy runnin a dual core on a 32 bit operating system.... shes only running one core on 32 bit bud.
i aint a fanboy or anything but seriously, the guys complaining it aint a WoW clone, keep playing WoW and leave it at that, the ones complaining half the craps missing, ITS BETA, not only that but its the alpha model for the stress test not the finished product -.-
Anyway its a simple case of update drivrs, change with the times, get used to the new, and stop crying like 12 year olds.
Rant over.... let the flaming begin
Yeah right, if they could get a large portion of the WoW players they would cry from pure joy and happiness. They want to sell their games to as many people as possible, not the other way around. They are a profit driven company, just like all the others.
I'm not so sure that is exactly a correct statement anymore. The term WoW and it's community are starting to become more negative insults than hype terms nowadays. Its not something most are willing to admit, but it is where the trend is going. Even those that play WoW currently become highly defensive if you categorize them as WoW players on public forums (not just these, most of them on the interent except for the official Blizzard ones of course).
Sure SE would love to have as many paying subscribers as they can get, but not to the detriment of thier long term financial plans. If they believe a certain market segment may cause others they feel are important to become alienated, they will do whatever they can to at least lessen that impact. And in the event they decide the impact too negative to thier long term goals, well they will most likely do whatever they have to to keep away from it entirely.
For years the MMO community has been up in arms about the hatred for WoW clones and how the WoW community as a whole has been in a tail spin in comaprison to many others. It is very well possible that a non-American gaming company, whose primary target market is not Americans, may in fact not want a huge influx of players (paying or not) which may turn thier target audiance away. SEs target audiance for this game appears to be Japanese and in that respect PC Cafe/console in nature. Something everyone here can easily agree is NOT the same as WoW.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
People still think that they are getting something more in Release Version? That is really naive. Trust me, all that available in Open Beta thats all you gonna have on release either you want to believe in it or not. Don't fool yourself. Listen to people who has experience playing multiple games in Open Betas.
Originally posted by WSIMike Originally posted by mmjarec you people are so gullible i cant beleive you say "oh its just beta they will add more zones and content over time"..
Are you implying they won't? FFXI launched with a world map not much larger than XIV's will be at launch and look how huge it's become over time. It's not gullibility to believe SE - or any MMO developer - will continue to expand their game worlds over time to become much larger than what they launch with. It's common sense.
He meant that when game is released - there is gonna be the same game as you playing in Open beta. If you agree to wait a year to have more leves added and play the game for a year in the state that it is now in Open Beta - well its your choise, but I am not taking it. This game definitely don't deserve a full monthly pay of 15$ OR even 49.95$ for the copy of it. There is like 10% of the actual game is completed. The rest is like in developer minds still...
you people are so gullible i cant beleive you say "oh its just beta they will add more zones and content over time"..
Are you implying they won't?
FFXI launched with a world map not much larger than XIV's will be at launch and look how huge it's become over time.
It's not gullibility to believe SE - or any MMO developer - will continue to expand their game worlds over time to become much larger than what they launch with. It's common sense.
He meant that when game is released - there is gonna be the same game as you playing in Open beta. If you agree to wait a year to have more leves added and play the game for a year in the state that it is now in Open Beta - well its your choise, but I am not taking it. This game definitely don't deserve a full monthly pay of 15$ OR even 49.95$ for the copy of it. There is like 10% of the actual game is completed. The rest is like in developer minds still...
Well, I'll let him clarify what he meant himself if he wishes. However, reading his statement verbatim, as he typed it, it seems to me that he finds it guillble for people to believe that SE will add more zones and content over time... Again, that's reading his statement for what it says, not reading into what he may have meant.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
you people are so gullible i cant beleive you say "oh its just beta they will add more zones and content over time"..
Are you implying they won't?
FFXI launched with a world map not much larger than XIV's will be at launch and look how huge it's become over time.
It's not gullibility to believe SE - or any MMO developer - will continue to expand their game worlds over time to become much larger than what they launch with. It's common sense.
He meant that when game is released - there is gonna be the same game as you playing in Open beta. If you agree to wait a year to have more leves added and play the game for a year in the state that it is now in Open Beta - well its your choise, but I am not taking it. This game definitely don't deserve a full monthly pay of 15$ OR even 49.95$ for the copy of it. There is like 10% of the actual game is completed. The rest is like in developer minds still...
MMORPGs expand over time until the game is canned. Why ever play an MMORPG if you have the mindset that the game is not "complete". It's not true.
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SE stated long ago that there will be 3 starting cities with their surronding area and at least 1 main city for higher level players with all the higher level area.
In FFXI, the 3 bases cities are Windurst, Bastok and San d'Oria. Each has 2 low levels areas around them. Then there is 1 interconnecting zone then there is the 3 areas surronding the higher level city, Jeuno. (That doesnt include any inside area. Only the world map).
In FFXIV, there isnt even the higher level city or any of the higher level areas that the devs explicitly stated there will be. So how can you claim that there wont be more at release ? lol
The link to the patched map that was posted in this thread clearly show the 3 starting cities, their surronding area and 2 interconnecting zone. Nothing about the 4th city and higher level area.
Wouldn't the high level area be Mor Dhona off to the NW? That's kinda what I figured.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
No Mor Dhona is probably just one of the interconnecting area. Look at the world map : High level area will be around Ishgard. (Naturaly, there will probably be "inside" areas that are high levels at other places).
I found this map with areas names :
http://www.ff14news.com/wp-content/gallery/2010-05-20-website-update-world-map/worldmap-labels.jpg
Hmm... what's interesting is that Mor Dhona's not even labeled on that map.
Looks like it would be... Dravania on the map you linked?
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Mor Dhol ? Or where you thinking to another area ?
Nope.. Mor Dhona. If you look on the composite map linked on the first page, and then the one you linked - assuming the areas are lined up as they are geographically in-game, that would put Dravania on your map, right where Mor Dhona is on the composite one.
Unless the composite map has Mor Dhona completely in the wrong place.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
yeah considering the client is missing 6gb of information..... no. that is not true.
The composite map isnt correct. Look at Mor Dhona : On the west part of the map, there is Silvertear Falls.
Now if you look on the official map, you see that Silvertear Falls is south/west of Gridania. Ishgard, the 4th city is north of Silvertear, past Doerthas. Mor Dhol is really Mor Dhona. Doerthas is one of the area that isnt in the OB and and that directly surround Ishgard.
Also on the composite map, you see that the borders of the various area arent connecting correctly. La Noscea doesnt make any sense : its an island and should be west of Mor Dhona.
why do you and others keep regurgitating the same misinformation?
Do you not realize that hard disk space requirements always high-ball the number to make sure there's room for patches, expansions and such?
really?
You really think they have 6gb of stuff unreleased to testers? No, it's all there. The requirement for 15gb free is a CYA only.
This map is pathetic, you all need one that is properly translated to better guage the inconnection of each massive region...
you people are so gullible i cant beleive you say "oh its just beta they will add more zones and content over time"..
would you buy a house if the seller told you, "live in it for 6 months then we'll put walls in it, then 6 months after that we will add a roof"..
i have a fast pc it runs the framerate fine but the interface lag is horrible i just spam buttons and 5 seconds later my guy does an attack. auto target is completely jacked.
Umm, your aware that by doing that, you are in fact creating your own problem. If you spam attack buttons they do in fact go into a kind of buffer and everything after that is just a waste of effort. It has killed me many times over when I get low on stamina (which also builds in a delay on attack firing). Relax, hit an attack, and once you see it go off, hit the next. If your stamina is too low (big bar not filled) you will be 'readying' your attack, and it will not go off until you have enough stamina. If your too much ADD to wait a second or two for your 1-2 second cast timer attack to go off, or your spamming attacks so much that your character is just too tired to do them all right that very second, then purhaps this game is not for you.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
You also need to remeber that you can que one attack after you select an attack. You can tell if you have an attack qued or not by looking at the stam useage block and if its blue then you have an attack qued.
Nope it''s not missing any data.. the required space for "INSTALL" is 15gb this includes overhead for the download and extraction (6gb) (it has to hold the data somewhere as it unpacks) then the actual space taken by the game will be 8-9gb which is exactly what the OB client is currently using.
Of course there is a ton of stuff not actually enabled yet i.e the storyline quest arc etc.. . but physical data is already there and will only increase slightly as patches are implemented or as they maybe dump a cutscene/FMV on it but will probably just stick to using in game cutscenes. .
Your funny, really. An educated man would try and use common ground as a basis for comparison, which is what I did by using WoW since we are both well versed in that game. God forbid I should try and use common knowledge as a basis for discussion. Perhaps you dont like WoW and feel I should have chosen another, my appolgies for thinking the other way around. Now on to your next point, where you so nicely believe that I picked out tidbits to discuss out of context. What I decided to do is highlight (in GREEN)all the places in your post that I tried to adress in mine. As you can see, you have me somewhat confused, it doesn't appear to me that I nitpicked and pulled out only a few tidbits to discuss, I grabbed almost every single view you put in yoru post and tried to address them all.
As for you argument that there are transistions and load screens all over FFXIV?? Where exactly?? The markets, yes, they are instanced intentionally like most games have player housing instanced so the retainers do not lag down the cities. The ferry boat, yes at the start and end of the journey sure. Where else?? Seriously, I haven't encountered these myself, and I have been all over the damn place in this game now and haven't had to wait to load anything. Are you sure this isnt' end user lag on your end? Because I'm not seeing this at all in FFXIV, transfer from city to zone to zone to zone to zone is 100% transperant and without load for me.
Oh and the jump issue, yeah, thats a priceless argument you got there. The whole 'this world sucks because I can't get everywhere i want by jumping' routine. Just where exactly do you want to jump? And why do you need to jump there? And finally (to make sure i once again address ALL of your concerns as to not be called a nitpicker) the other things I could have done instead of type all of that...well sure, but how many of those can YOU do in about 5 minutes time? Because that entire wall of text took me MAYBE 5 minutes to type. This one 7 minutes (yes I timed it), and longer only because I went back twice to make sure I got EVERY ISSUE you had covered.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
a Bit extreme comparison you put there bud but ,
If i already had bought hundreds of thins from that seller(every single player game from SE), and a house before in the same state and ended up being a palace(FFXI),The only answeer i can give you is HELL YES I WOULD.
Are you implying they won't?
FFXI launched with a world map not much larger than XIV's will be at launch and look how huge it's become over time.
It's not gullibility to believe SE - or any MMO developer - will continue to expand their game worlds over time to become much larger than what they launch with. It's common sense.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Well im sure its because they are planning to make more money selling you expansions asides from your mothly payments ^_^
Exactly.
I think 2011 will be the year that people realize just how low developers are willing to stoop to charge you for a game + $15 + whatever they can psychologically make you feel the need to spend. All the while feeling convinced that you don't deserve anything more. Neat and tidy manupulation.
"I'm not cheap I'm incredibly subconsciously financially optimized"
"The worst part of censorship is ------------------"
Yeah right, if they could get a large portion of the WoW players they would cry from pure joy and happiness. They want to sell their games to as many people as possible, not the other way around. They are a profit driven company, just like all the others.
I'm not so sure that is exactly a correct statement anymore. The term WoW and it's community are starting to become more negative insults than hype terms nowadays. Its not something most are willing to admit, but it is where the trend is going. Even those that play WoW currently become highly defensive if you categorize them as WoW players on public forums (not just these, most of them on the interent except for the official Blizzard ones of course).
Sure SE would love to have as many paying subscribers as they can get, but not to the detriment of thier long term financial plans. If they believe a certain market segment may cause others they feel are important to become alienated, they will do whatever they can to at least lessen that impact. And in the event they decide the impact too negative to thier long term goals, well they will most likely do whatever they have to to keep away from it entirely.
For years the MMO community has been up in arms about the hatred for WoW clones and how the WoW community as a whole has been in a tail spin in comaprison to many others. It is very well possible that a non-American gaming company, whose primary target market is not Americans, may in fact not want a huge influx of players (paying or not) which may turn thier target audiance away. SEs target audiance for this game appears to be Japanese and in that respect PC Cafe/console in nature. Something everyone here can easily agree is NOT the same as WoW.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
People still think that they are getting something more in Release Version? That is really naive. Trust me, all that available in Open Beta thats all you gonna have on release either you want to believe in it or not. Don't fool yourself. Listen to people who has experience playing multiple games in Open Betas.
Are you implying they won't?
FFXI launched with a world map not much larger than XIV's will be at launch and look how huge it's become over time.
It's not gullibility to believe SE - or any MMO developer - will continue to expand their game worlds over time to become much larger than what they launch with. It's common sense.
He meant that when game is released - there is gonna be the same game as you playing in Open beta. If you agree to wait a year to have more leves added and play the game for a year in the state that it is now in Open Beta - well its your choise, but I am not taking it. This game definitely don't deserve a full monthly pay of 15$ OR even 49.95$ for the copy of it. There is like 10% of the actual game is completed. The rest is like in developer minds still...
Well, I'll let him clarify what he meant himself if he wishes. However, reading his statement verbatim, as he typed it, it seems to me that he finds it guillble for people to believe that SE will add more zones and content over time... Again, that's reading his statement for what it says, not reading into what he may have meant.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
MMORPGs expand over time until the game is canned. Why ever play an MMORPG if you have the mindset that the game is not "complete". It's not true.