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Ortisai
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Its cool that everyone has an opinion on the game, but telling people to not play the game and forcing your opinion on others is just plain stupid.
Whats ever more stupid are complaining about bugs in BETA (note, some of you dont understand that beta is the full release, therefore content is missing, and no, content is not to be tested, the servers, controls and UI are the items that need to be tested) Bugs that affect your character (not toon, this is not warcraft people) that will be deleted in a week is just retarded. Big patches will come before launch, during the first couple months and so on, no game will start perfect.
if you want to quit, go right on and do so, cancel your pre order, uninstall beta and delete your account.
But if you have done so, move along, no need to post in a forum of a game you dont even play.
Myself and the other 160,000+ people who pre ordered the game (in the US alone) will have a good time without you.
And remember folks...
THIS IS BEETTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Is that said in the "This is Sparta" voice?
Drop the next-gen marketing and people will argue if the game itself has merit.
What I believe people like you don't quite understand is that if these major issues with the game are not fixed within 2 weeks, then this beta is your launch. So yes this is beta but I'm sorry to informed you that games don't simply flip a switch and start working smoothly. These problems have a very short two weeks to be put to rest.
If people thought more like you, pre orders would not be climbing but dropping heavy.
Normal people like me understand that no game will be perfect at launch, and will be like its open beta counter part. (looks in wows direction)
now good news is that the major issues are
A.) hardware mouse - Check, solved
B.) UI lag (10mb patch reduced lag for me and other people i personally know by over 50%...10 MEGABYTES)
so, ya
Speaking out against suggested censorship here...no one can force their opinion on you unless they are your boss, your lovah, or have a handful of your two best friends. Also, if you have the mental fortitude of a chihuahua.
So, I suggest we just let people vent their frustrations, and ignore, ignore, ignore...
Btw, another poster posted that the number of pre-orders are something like 90,000 as of last week.
I know, catch 21, but my idea sounds better
Last i checked was sept 2 from vgcharts and it was over 165k
A Beta you are going to pay to play in about two weeks. At this point the game files have already shipped to the distributors for printing/pressing.
i'm in o.b. too andf the mouse lag kinda irks me too. is there a hardware mouse mode that i have missed? otherwise how is it fixed?
not trolling, i will certainly get the game, just curiosity.
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Actually the community figured it out, then SE is making a patch.
As for the game shipping, ok thats fine if its the install files and all, but like other games, ffxi and wow mind you, had HUGE patches that came day 1. Lets not forget
Normal people should expect a level of quality when a game launches. In fact if a game would take the extra couple months it needs it would probably be much more well recieved. As a matter of fact almost every MMO has released before it should and thus never recovered for it. I'm sure alot of the MMOs out there are really good now but no one cares because they tried it out at launch and it sucked.
People buy games when they first come out. if it sucks, they move on. No one should have to wait for crap to get fixed.
You say "no game will be perfect at launch" but you know what? They should be. Or darn close. As a consumer that's what I expect and that's what I look for.
Not really.
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Judging by your avatar, you played ffxi, was that game perfect, hell no, but you know what, i still played until wow came. then quit wow and went right back. Take that as an example.
To the OP and everyone else fed up with everyone making posts telling people to not buy the game, it sucks, etc. Stop debating/arguing with them. Just ignore the posts. Neither side debating is going to accomplish anything. The people that want the game are going to buy it and play it. Those that dislike the game if for no reason other than to just hate on something, they're not going to change their minds and get a pre-order going. I keep seeing the same pointless debates and comments being made over and over and it should be obvious by now it's not getting us anywhere.
This game is a niche mmorpg so it's not going to be the go to game for a lot of people. Squeenix does things differently with their mmorpgs than most mmorpg developers/publishers. Their target audience is probably more Japanese than American. They have RPG style interfaces, use controllers, do an open beta without all the content, etc. I don't mind these things, those of you that are familiar with XI or are going to buy XIV obviously don't mind these things either. So the game doesn't sell a million subscriptions. Oh well. The developers are making the game they want to make, if they wanted more subscriptions I'm sure they're smart enough to know what they could have changed to bring more gamers into the fold. It's their game though, they do what they want, we decide if we want to play it. I personally rejoice at hearing so many people disliking the game. Especially from those that can't understand simple concepts like how to use a controller for a game that was designed around a controller. There's another one like this too... it's called FFXI. People probably should have read something about it and saved themselves some frustration.
Don't waste your time quoting me. I'm not going to respond. I'm over this.
Why do you think they even let you guys in OB?
That is the question, do you believe it's for a personal joy party to test a bugged game? lol.
It's for helping with network problems that they can't solve with their testing team or with a CB team, it's just not large enough scale to trigger these types of issues.
Quite the contrary, I'm telling people to play it for themselves.
You see, I preordered the collector's edition before getting into the beta based off of the goodwill I have towards ffxi. That was a HUGE mistake. Thanks to being able to try this huge steaming pile of garbage I was able to cancel my preorder and save myself $75+.
I think, minus a few people who do enjoy this game(and are intent on trying to make everyone feel the same), that most other mmorpg'ers will absolutely hate FFXIV and would be happier with just about any other mmo on the market. This is probably the biggest mmo disappointment ever and if someone can play it for themselves, they are likely to not waste their hard earned money on it.
Laggy, buggy, featureless, restrictive, lazily implemented, boring and repetitive, all terms that come to mind from playing this game. The environments are unimaginative(especially compared to the lush surroundings of the previous ff mmo). The system in place for interacting with other humans is abysmal. Character creation is very limited(not as bad as WoW but not far from it), you won't feel unique in this game. There are already tons of goldspammers; why are there goldspammers in an open beta? The non-storyline quests are beyond being generic, they are so far removed from anything bearing passably interesting that it's painful. The storyline, what little we do see of it, seems to be substandard for square-enix. The battle system, while novel, seems to only exist to make the fights artificially slower(to hide lack of content probably) and remove whatever window a faster system would provide for skilled fighting. The game's ui reeks of I-don't-give-a-crap-about-pc-players and is the most damning thing of all about it. It's actually worse than ffxi's system which is pretty amazing. You will literally struggle to find any meaningful content, there are npcs everywhere that just spout of lines that have nothing to do with the story, you or anything else of interest. Really, just empty placeholder npcs reading off non-sequiters. There are still massive amounts of errors in translation(sometimes the japanese isn't even changed to poorly worded english) I'd known none of this had I not played the game myself.
There is some nice music though. The only reason to love this game is simply because of it's universal final fantasy settings, which was the reason I almost blindly bought the game. Luckily, I played it before hand.
In short, I'd recommend anyone interested play it before they buy it.
(Oh and for the guy above me, open betas this close to launch are meant to be an advertising force to help spread the word on how fun a game is or to give someone a taste and wanting more. Hell, the closed betas weren't really used for anything here on the English side of things, the impressions that I and other testers got was that they were simply looking for errors in translation and nothing else, coding was being handled on the Japanese side.)
Welcome to MMtrollRPG.com bud, it's just the way it is. Expect the same to happen in SWTOR boards in beta, GW2 boards in beta and every other beta to come.
It's the way of the world bud, the sky is up, the ground is down and people use the interwebz to whine and moan about everything while bored at work.
Only critic worth his salt is Yahtzee and it's just cause he has a sense of humor about it and is actualy entertaining.
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Final Fantasy 7
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You honestly think they can configure a threshold for 100's of thousands of people without these people live?
This is what a Beta test is, if you believe it's just for advertisement.. Then you're just too stupid for argument.
You're one of the types of guys I have to deal with all day every day, who expect perfection out of every little thing from the get-go, someone who hardly ever has satisfaction because nothing is perfect.
It's a beta, it's free and it's for network testing, if they want to advertise with free subscriptions they'll start a trial base after they've fixed these bugs.
http://www.vgchartz.com/preorders.php?date=40426
Here's the latest pre-order numbers I could find
Come on, really?
I bought FFXI within days of its NA release, and it drew me in immediately. If there were bugs, I didn't feel them. If there was a lack of content, I didn't notice. I didn't have a top of the line PC by any stretch of the imagination back then, and it performed suitably to the point that performance was never, ever an issue. In spite of whatever problems it may have had, the game was both playable and fun, so it didn't need to be perfect. Also, the game had been out for nearly a year in Japan at its point of NA release. Add to all that I'd just jumped off the train wreck of bugs that was PlanetSide (in which I participated in beta for quite some time - not to mention it was a true beta-in-a-box) and I was still thrilled over how well the game run by comparison.
Understand; there's a massive difference between 'perfection' and 'playable'. In its current state, FFXIV is simply unplayable for many - myself included. Forget the bugs. The poor performance and worse-than-FFXI UI is so much of a turn-off that I've barely had the motivation to launch the game, let alone play it. I patch it and check for updates daily in the hopes that something will solve it, but it just hasn't happened yet. I updated all my drivers, went through tweaking my video settings, and still nothing helps. Blame my PC if you want - as many want to do - but I, like others, am not on a low-end PC expecting WoW-like performance out of a new game. Also, I never minded shoving my mouse out of the way and going keyboard-only for FFXI, so I don't even have an issue with that.
Point is; it's a deal-breaker for plenty of folks, and plenty like yourself are just asking everyone to play through it and just wait for it to get better. Erm, sorry but I'm not going to buy an under-cooked burger and just eat through it and make myself sick. At best I can nibble at the edges then toss it out and eat fries. That's pretty much my feeling on FFXIV at the moment, as I find myself more interested in just carrying on in a simple flash-based browser game while browsing forums than bothering for now. If you'd like to know why I'm still here, making such a post, it's because I am in fact extremely interested in the game at this point - especially after the rush of nostalgia with the game's music and feel - but I'm still waiting to see a significant change that will make the game playable.
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it."
George Bernard Shaw
What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.
Oscar Wilde
This is probably why you have all "types of guys" that you find "too stupid for argument." You see, you can't make points while insulting the person and not the argument. Perhaps changing your tone and actually making arguments will help you "deal" with us "guys."
And there have been plenty of games that launched with me happy, I can rattle off a few quickly; everquest 2, guild wars, Lord of the rings online. There were more but no need to go there. Point being, you are once again making unfounded assumptions about me in an attempt to insult me instead of addressing anytthing I said.
I assume that you meant stress testing with this line, right? "You honestly think they can configure a threshold for 100's of thousands of people without these people live?"
The stress testing was done in closed beta when they would hand out keys and only allow play for a limited time. While they will be continueing to fine tune things in open beta, it has little to do with it being called open beta. They'll be fine-tuning the network from now until they decide to shut down FFXIV altogether. Stress testing on one server is easier on a single server as opposed to 10.
The Open Beta phase has been used for advertising in mmos for the last few years, heck Aion's developers originally called their Open Beta "weekend preview events" before judicially deciding that calling it a beta would get them a pass on whatever bugs potential customers came across. Apparently some people actually do buy it(see your response).
You do realize that the NA release for FFXI was ONE YEAR after the official Japanese release? You actually played FFXI with an expansion and a year's worth of patch/bug fixes. If you LOVED FFXI during NA release, you should buy FFXIV September 22, 2011.
As for me, I'll have a few lvl 50 classes by September 22, 2011. See ya then (should you choose to come back).
LOL you beat me to the punch
Honestly man, read (and comprehend) my entire post before you make a reply. It's just disrespectful both to me, and yourself to merely skim then make a snide remark which makes you look stupid, when I'm betting you're not.
Edit: Woo, mark that up to two people who read two lines and hit quote. I see I'm really going to miss out on some seriously awesome gems in the community if that's the standard.
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it."
George Bernard Shaw
What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.
Oscar Wilde
your frame of reference doesn't make sense. you can't compare your NA experience with FFXI with your open beta experience for FFXIV. You're comparing apples and oranges.
Whether or not a game is "playable" depends on the point in time. The correct frame of reference would be the state of FFXI during it's japanese release and FFXIV release later this month. Otherwise, a true comparison based on your experience would need to be a year from now.
From what we know, FFXIV is taking the IDENTICAL path of FFXI.
If you don't think FFXIV is in a playable state, then wait a year or move on. I for one feel there's a lot in the game that I can enjoy and a lot of stuff that just doesn't bother me. I would like to be able to sell stuff to a vendor or buy stuff easier. An AH would be nice. Retainers need to be tweeked... but other than that, i'm having fun. So why put off the release for someone like me?
People thought this game was the second coming of Wow, the savior, blah blah. It turned out to be FFXI 2.0. For me, that's awesome news. It doesn't have the polish as FFXI because FFXI has 8 years of release. FFXIV is no better or worse than FFXI released in Japan.
Let me guess, you also believe in the Beta Bunny that brings along the "Miracle Patch" the night before a game goes live.
With all due respect, please... wake up and smell the wind crystals, and realize this game is 14 days from going live. The changes you are trying to lead people to believe with your Beta Bunny "This is BETA!" talk won't happen for six - twelve months after release.
The rest of us realize what we see is largely what we'll get on the 22nd. I'm content with that!
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."