Welcome to beta This Open-Beta does not let you have access to the entire game
welcome to alpha. this game shouldn't have been released for another 6 months. its a shame to see SE fall flat on its face. they obviously made this for ps3.
an MMO should be engaging immediately and not when your at some level.
an MMO should offer multiple paths of progress and allow the character to change locations with ease.
an MMO should have a UI that is easy to use, self explanatory, and can be hidden when one wants to with a click (why do you think the ipod did so well?)
an MMO shouldnt put restrictions on anybody's form of gameplay.
an MMO should play smoothly in beta, since beta testing is usually fine tuning the overall gameplay experience and MINOR bugs.
an MMO shouldnt be supported on a promise, a promise that it will get better if 'they' do X Y and Z.
an MMO should be released when most if not all the points above are in effect.
an MMO should be playable on most people's pc's.
Thus ff14 is in the alpha stage.
The story line is engaging. The crafting is engaging. The problem is, what we are given, drys up quickly. Why? Because its Mother Fiking OB!
i dont understand why you defend a company that is clearly irresponsible on so many levels.
sc2's beta??? flawless
Aion's beta?? terrible
also, just looking at this posts title, you guys clearly want to bash people who didnt play until some part saying "OMGz thas gaem is SO u jst haznt g0ts 2 the part stupid thIS 1337 gaem is bettar w/o CHU!!!!!!"
Are you implying that Square-Enix created Aion? Sure seems like it. They didn't, FYI.
Also, Aion's OB was rather good compared to most. They had all their content in, things lagged a bit and crashed sometimes and the servers filled but as time went on things were added and even a ridiculously awesome tutorial was put it just before or on launch day.. don't remember which. They listened. The game was still a carnival of running around in a big circular zone doing quests, but its beta was fine.
SE seems to have some weird ideas about an open beta, I'll give them that. I do hope that they're missing tons and tons and tons of content and.. it makes sense to hold that back in a way as they don't need them to test mechanics, but.. they're giving lots of people the wrong impression.
Objectivity is delivered with a lack of personality made for the mainstream but never used for the mainstream.
How do we know for 100% sure this beta is even the final game? We don't. It could be the same game as the closed Alpha or CB. All we know is they are fixing their patcher which is pittyfull and hitting the servers with steroids. SE keeps things close to the vest, always have. I suspect we'll see a very different game upon release. By the by, I have been totally enjoying the OB. I have one character that is rank 8 solely from crafting. She hasn't killed a mob. I think that is pretty neat!
Welcome to beta This Open-Beta does not let you have access to the entire game
welcome to alpha. this game shouldn't have been released for another 6 months. its a shame to see SE fall flat on its face. they obviously made this for ps3.
an MMO should be engaging immediately and not when your at some level.
an MMO should offer multiple paths of progress and allow the character to change locations with ease.
an MMO should have a UI that is easy to use, self explanatory, and can be hidden when one wants to with a click (why do you think the ipod did so well?)
an MMO shouldnt put restrictions on anybody's form of gameplay.
an MMO should play smoothly in beta, since beta testing is usually fine tuning the overall gameplay experience and MINOR bugs.
an MMO shouldnt be supported on a promise, a promise that it will get better if 'they' do X Y and Z.
an MMO should be released when most if not all the points above are in effect.
an MMO should be playable on most people's pc's.
Thus ff14 is in the alpha stage.
The story line is engaging. The crafting is engaging. The problem is, what we are given, drys up quickly. Why? Because its Mother Fiking OB!
i dont understand why you defend a company that is clearly irresponsible on so many levels.
sc2's beta??? flawless
Aion's beta?? terrible
also, just looking at this posts title, you guys clearly want to bash people who didnt play until some part saying "OMGz thas gaem is SO u jst haznt g0ts 2 the part stupid thIS 1337 gaem is bettar w/o CHU!!!!!!"
Aion was made by NCSOFT...??
And we aren't bashing people for not getting to a certain level, we are simply stating the truth. FFXIV's OB is a real OB, not a marketing gimmick that has 90% of its content for you to try to hype the game up to your friends. The majority of its content is, just like FFXI, the story missions + BCM (a little different in FFXIV), both of which are only given to you as a taste for the system. People need to remember what OBs were used before games like WAR, Aion, etc.
Are you implying that Square-Enix created Aion? Sure seems like it. They didn't, FYI.
Also, Aion's OB was rather good compared to most. They had all their content in, things lagged a bit and crashed sometimes and the servers filled but as time went on things were added and even a ridiculously awesome tutorial was put it just before or on launch day.. don't remember which. They listened. The game was still a carnival of running around in a big circular zone doing quests, but its beta was fine.
SE seems to have some weird ideas about an open beta, I'll give them that. I do hope that they're missing tons and tons and tons of content and.. it makes sense to hold that back in a way as they don't need them to test mechanics, but.. they're giving lots of people the wrong impression.
seems like it? wow your....in need of education.
im simply pointing out that a bad beta usually leads to a bad game thats all. CB maybe not, but OB?
SE doesnt have weird ideas about OB. they were under the gun and released it too early and it stinks. why are all of u so naive? u seriously think they would hold back the good parts? of course not, OB is supposed to be an advertisement with testing as a byproduct.
Aions ob was not good lol. and the fact that even they had all their content obviously shines a light on what a letdown FF14 is.
the fact that most of the reviewers had trouble with the UI, lag (seriously), and most of all, installing the damn beta and getting it running should just reek of poor management. but apparently a big name is a big name so people like you are blind sighted to what really matters:
most people think ff14 is a pile of shit. look at the current ratings.
Have to agree. Aion's beta wasn't good. It was amongst one of the worst I've been in, as all they bascially did was put up the live code from the Korean servers and leave it. As a result there wasn't much to test, as we only got to see the 1.5 years old polished live code. It was fun though, until quests dried up mid game.
While most must know I'm not a fan of what SE have done with FF XIV, at least they are patching and liking what they are doing or not there's a visable progression.
Although to be honest I have no idea why Aion has suddenly come up in the discussion. They aren't related.
"most people think ff14 is a pile of shit. look at the current ratings."
Nobody knows what FFXIV is yet. Also, I don't care about ratings. Also, I'm not sold on the game and have posted as many criticisms about the game as I have positives if not more. But my opinion would change if they simply had more storyline quests at release. And I don't see how they can't. Having played through two of the three city's storylines they all leave off with mystery and intrigue and lots more apparent to do. Plus there's a huge sorting bar for quests in your journal. I would be amazed were this not added to at release and that would be enough to have my vote. 'nuff said. Troll-feeding done for now. Jerk!
Objectivity is delivered with a lack of personality made for the mainstream but never used for the mainstream.
"most people think ff14 is a pile of shit. look at the current ratings."
Nobody knows what FFXIV is yet. Also, I don't care about ratings. Also, I'm not sold on the game and have posted as many criticisms about the game as I have positives if not more. But my opinion would change if they simply had more storyline quests at release. And I don't see how they can't. Having played through two of the three city's storylines they all leave off with mystery and intrigue and lots more apparent to do. Plus there's a huge sorting bar for quests in your journal. I would be amazed were this not added to at release and that would be enough to have my vote. 'nuff said. Troll-feeding done for now. Jerk!
I'm with you. I was blown away by the first quest line and am hoping more is added. I don't know whether to wait or preorder. If they add more content that is anything like that first quest line I am sold.
In the past I'd only buy games with good PvP but was recently converted to loving the actual storyline and challenging PvE. I want to struggle through difficult content, only being able to rely on my friends and I. Having to craft all of your gear, being able to set the difficulty on leves, and having randomly powerful mobs around really appeals to me. I had so much fun in SWG because of their crafting system. I was too busying PvPing to even notice it, but buying my gear from actual people who made crafting almost their entire experience was awesome!
Trying not to ignore the point of this thread I got to Plvl12/Clvl9 before I started to think FFXIV wasn't for me. At one point I even got angry about how badly the game dropped off. I keep getting drawn back in daily though. Once a few of my friends begin to play as well, or I find a good linkshell I'm hoping to enjoy it even more.
The majority of my issues with FFXIV stem from lag and slow UI. This is a beta problem and I highly doubt will be a problem after release. Isn't that the point of OB? My guess is this lag effects people quite a bit and seeps into the rest of the game making their opinion negative overall. Imagining an FFXIV without any lag or slow UI makes my wiener tingle.
I'd love to see some more information from SE on the specifics of their post-release content. Will it be lazy leves and small quests? Will we be rewarded with a great quest like before?
I know one thing for sure. I'll be listening to myself and not these extreme fanboys or naysayers. Those who make it their life's work to influence the opinion of others on a project they've taken no part in. Except maybe agreeing to be in a beta they don't even understand.
Originally posted by Kaocan Originally posted by reanor
Originally posted by Silacoid What physical and class level(s) did you play through, and at what point did you cease to have fun?
A lot of MMOs are released unfinished usually and then devs just add more content as time goes by. BUT, they at least polish the game play for 20-30 first levels so that players at least have some kind of a hook to keep their interest. FFXIV however it seems like devs said " We are sorry but we simply didn't have time to finish teh game - ITS NOT READY FOR RELEASE ". The the company said - "We've paid you money and gave you enough time to work on the game - you wasted money and time, so do whatever you want but game has to hit the shelves on 22nd of September or you are all fired". Thats what I think is happening right now. SE FFXIV franchise had to rush the game into Open Beta stage being forced to do it. Game is badly unfinished, has crippled gameplay but it needs to be released on 22nd or else... Thats why game is in such pathetic state. It is being rushed and nobody seems to care that rushed game will receive very bad reviews and will end up having very few subscribers - mostly those who got Special Editions pre-ordered. I feel sorry to be honest for people who has their pre-orders. I've got burnt once on pre-ordering based on a hyp and CGIs (Aion) and paid for a year of gameplay, then I've tried the game and very regreted about it. I am not going to repeat that mistake with FFXIV. Even though I am one of the biggest supporters and fans of Square Enix. Now see everything you said up there is based on your own belief that the words I highlight in pink are all true. To you they may appear to be, and I will grant you that, but those statement are not true to everyone. A fact is only a fact if it holds true to everyone under all circumstances. And by definition, these pink statements are not facts, but mere conjecture based on your own opinion of what you believe this game to be. Now that being said, I do hope you did not pre-order this game, not because I dont want you to play it, but because those pink statements exhibit some serious negativety between you and this game. And that can lead to nothing but more stress and angst on your end, which logically should be avoided. I am in full agreement than anyone who exhibits this much distress in advance of a particular games launch, should not be attempting to force themselves into playing it. Oh and to clarify, I personally do not find this game badly unfinished or having crippled gameplay. I certainly do not believe it is in a pathetic state right now, or that SE has had to rush the game into either open beta or for thier planned release date. And although there are many people giving this game very bad reviews, I still believe this game will have plenty of subscribers directly after launch and for a while to come. As you can tell, there is a difference in our opinions on this game. And I'm sure there are many more that differ from us both on this very topic. The key to remember about the opening post on this thread is what I highlighted in red. The intent wasn't to see how long you played this game, but at what point you ceased to have fun. The assumption was placed upfront that everyone wasn't having fun in this game. The statement alone tainted the thread with a slant towards those who dont like this game already. Truth is, not everyone has ceased to have fun already, some of us are still enjoying every minute of it, we are of course not the target of this thread as it was intended.
I am really happy for you. And its great that you like the game in such a state with so few things to actually enjoy. Yes, weather effects are nice, I liked that as well. But if taking a boat and watching thunderstorms will keep your interest for months until they release at least more leves to do - I don't know, you must be a VERY BIG fan of FF online game since it takes very little for you to actually enjpoy the game.
Unfortunately thats not enough to keep most of the people interested. Boat ride is fun for a few times, later on it becomes a routine. You can jump around and pretend that you're having fun but trust me - after you take that boat ride for 5-10 times it won't be as enjoyable, it will be just a transport from point A to point B.
MMORPGs are made to attract many players if that won't happen - there won't be enough finances to support the game. How many people do you think SE will have enjoying the boat rides after a week of play after release? If there is no content and only weather effects and repeatable leves with 48 hours of downtime - you'll start losing even those who were jumping around the boat enjoying the weather effects with you.
Majority of playerbase consists of people who join the game to PLAY it. Socializing is fun but many MMO's have proven that kids these days are looking for faster ways of having fun. Us old farts, fans of real RPG like to socialize on the boats while it sails for 30 minutes from point A to point B, unfortunately those aren't most of the players.
I am happy for you that you are trying to see the world through a pink glasses, and don't want to aknowledge that game is in a very bad shape even 12 days before release. Fortunately most of the players tried the Open Beta and aknowledged the game needs a lot of improvement and attention. Hopefully SE will listen to those opinions and pay more attention to them.
I'm really on the fence about this game. I pre-ordered yesterday, and cancelled it by today. I think my tolerance for UI lag and my personal beef with terrain design varies daily.
What drove me to logging out tonight was the damn predictable leves. Below level 10, kill mob in one place, run to second place, kill mob, run back to first place. Over level 10, kill 2 mobs, watch 3rd mob run. 3rd mob finds friends, kill 2, last runs away, rinse, repeat. MEH.
Drop the next-gen marketing and people will argue if the game itself has merit.
I tried to play it, but the lag / frame rates were so poor I couldn't play it. I have one of the awesome ASUS laptops, which plays everything else maxed out. I tried lowering everything and the only way I could get a frame rate above 10 was to go to a half buffer, which of course looks horrible. In Lotro I get at least 40 fps with everything maxed + Dx11 enabled. In Aion I get about 20 fps with everything maxed, but it goes to 60 - 120 fps if I turn off AA. So, the game was basically so unbelievably sluggish that targeting was almost impossible.
Before I could even get to play the game I had to go through this whole nasty video driver mess, which has never happened to me before on any game, then there was the installer which sucked beyond all comprehension. I have never had to torrent a game before because the companies own delivery application was totally broken. Things like this should not be major problems 2 weeks before shipping.
Looking back over all of my Beta testing, I think this is about the worst of them all. Aion's Beta was a little laggy, but that was with tons and tons of people running around. In FF it was just me, 2 npcs, and 3 baddies. I didn't play STO's Beta, but I am guessing that would have probably been as bad.
I don't know what you mean when you say an awesome ASUS laptop but I have the ASUX G73 and it runs it perfectly fine. I mean comparing LOTRO to this game is like comparing Everquest to Everquest 2. Just because your laptop(probably a g53 or earlier) runs a game released several years ago doesn't mean it should run the top of the line best video game from today. Buy a new system and quit playing your lag on anything other than your crappy pc.
The majority of my issues with FFXIV stem from lag and slow UI. This is a beta problem and I highly doubt will be a problem after release. Isn't that the point of OB? My guess is this lag effects people quite a bit and seeps into the rest of the game making their opinion negative overall. Imagining an FFXIV without any lag or slow UI makes my wiener tingle.
Unfortunately that is not a problem of Open Beta. Thats a problem of Crystal Tools Graphics Engine that FFXIV is created on. That engine had never before games created for PC. It is SE's first experience. They've been using this engine for years to create their console games and a lot of games for example from PS2 can be emulated to a PC and they perform perfectly fine.
I've played my PS2 version of FFXII on PC through emulator, with DX9 graphics, Anti Aliasing and AFs and it looks really awesome comparing to what it looked on PS2. Unfortunately Square Enix is porting FFXIV to PC. This game will perform on PS3 much better than on PC due to complexity of the graphics engine that is initially created for console games.
Thats why I don't see anything good happening with FFXIV on PC. I will be waiting for PS3 version and even then I'll first make sure that storylines are finished and there are more things to do. I am not paying 60$ to do 5 leves every 48 hours. Whoever wants to they can switch characters 5 times a day and run around the world with 1 character to complete leves from different townscities.
For me - it only says - this city has not enough content - this game has very little to do unless you like to be a jack of all trades. I like to focus on 1 class and at this time FFXIV has no content enough to immerse me into this one class.
the thing you have to remember here is it's a GAME, and if you cannot keep your customers entertained after the first few hours the game fails as a source of entertainment and just becomes a job for fanboys
What physical and class level(s) did you play through, and at what point did you cease to have fun?
I never had fun right out of the gate,I will admit that i did enjoy watching the opening cutscenes from each city,but nothing i could do was actually fun.I know that there is people who get all giddy or excited just window shopping,but to average people FUN means something totally different.
I really don't even know the levels,as i don't care about levels when i play,remember the word FUN?I want something FUN to do,for myself that usually involves combat/strategy and player development.I found none of those 3 areas to be very creative or exciting.I found even the crafting a chore to get started,needed to walk all over hells acres before i found a NPC to sell me crafting stuff,by that time i had wandered myself into a tired mode and could barely find the nergy to fish.I fished for about 20 minutes,it was boring and i logged out and have not logged back in since.
Really Sqaure was too lazy to put some text on the map so people actually know where they are headed,i am sure most of us like to have some thought into where we are going rather than walk aimlessly.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Originally posted by alkrmr the thing you have to remember here is it's a GAME, and if you cannot keep your customers entertained after the first few hours the game fails as a source of entertainment and just becomes a job for fanboys
Right, some people don't need content they just like to ride boats in FFXIV. Who cares about content, right?
As far the "get a controller" argument. It's untrue. Anything related to inventory management, crafting, retainers is excessively laggy regardless of method of control.
Drop the next-gen marketing and people will argue if the game itself has merit.
What physical and class level(s) did you play through, and at what point did you cease to have fun?
A lot of MMOs are released unfinished usually and then devs just add more content as time goes by. BUT, they at least polish the game play for 20-30 first levels so that players at least have some kind of a hook to keep their interest.
FFXIV however it seems like devs said " We are sorry but we simply didn't have time to finish teh game - ITS NOT READY FOR RELEASE ". The the company said - "We've paid you money and gave you enough time to work on the game - you wasted money and time, so do whatever you want but game has to hit the shelves on 22nd of September or you are all fired".
Thats what I think is happening right now. SE FFXIV franchise had to rush the game into Open Beta stage being forced to do it. Game is badly unfinished, has crippled gameplay but it needs to be released on 22nd or else... Thats why game is in such pathetic state. It is being rushed and nobody seems to care that rushed game will receive very bad reviews and will end up having very few subscribers - mostly those who got Special Editions pre-ordered. I feel sorry to be honest for people who has their pre-orders.
I've got burnt once on pre-ordering based on a hyp and CGIs (Aion) and paid for a year of gameplay, then I've tried the game and very regreted about it. I am not going to repeat that mistake with FFXIV. Even though I am one of the biggest supporters and fans of Square Enix.
Now see everything you said up there is based on your own belief that the words I highlight in pink are all true. To you they may appear to be, and I will grant you that, but those statement are not true to everyone. A fact is only a fact if it holds true to everyone under all circumstances. And by definition, these pink statements are not facts, but mere conjecture based on your own opinion of what you believe this game to be.
Now that being said, I do hope you did not pre-order this game, not because I dont want you to play it, but because those pink statements exhibit some serious negativety between you and this game. And that can lead to nothing but more stress and angst on your end, which logically should be avoided. I am in full agreement than anyone who exhibits this much distress in advance of a particular games launch, should not be attempting to force themselves into playing it.
Oh and to clarify, I personally do not find this game badly unfinished or having crippled gameplay. I certainly do not believe it is in a pathetic state right now, or that SE has had to rush the game into either open beta or for thier planned release date. And although there are many people giving this game very bad reviews, I still believe this game will have plenty of subscribers directly after launch and for a while to come.
As you can tell, there is a difference in our opinions on this game. And I'm sure there are many more that differ from us both on this very topic. The key to remember about the opening post on this thread is what I highlighted in red. The intent wasn't to see how long you played this game, but at what point you ceased to have fun. The assumption was placed upfront that everyone wasn't having fun in this game. The statement alone tainted the thread with a slant towards those who dont like this game already. Truth is, not everyone has ceased to have fun already, some of us are still enjoying every minute of it, we are of course not the target of this thread as it was intended.
I am really happy for you. And its great that you like the game in such a state with so few things to actually enjoy. Yes, weather effects are nice, I liked that as well. But if taking a boat and watching thunderstorms will keep your interest for months until they release at least more leves to do - I don't know, you must be a VERY BIG fan of FF online game since it takes very little for you to actually enjpoy the game.
Unfortunately thats not enough to keep most of the people interested. Boat ride is fun for a few times, later on it becomes a routine. You can jump around and pretend that you're having fun but trust me - after you take that boat ride for 5-10 times it won't be as enjoyable, it will be just a transport from point A to point B.
MMORPGs are made to attract many players if that won't happen - there won't be enough finances to support the game. How many people do you think SE will have enjoying the boat rides after a week of play after release? If there is no content and only weather effects and repeatable leves with 48 hours of downtime - you'll start losing even those who were jumping around the boat enjoying the weather effects with you.
Majority of playerbase consists of people who join the game to PLAY it. Socializing is fun but many MMO's have proven that kids these days are looking for faster ways of having fun. Us old farts, fans of real RPG like to socialize on the boats while it sails for 30 minutes from point A to point B, unfortunately those aren't most of the players.
I am happy for you that you are trying to see the world through a pink glasses, and don't want to aknowledge that game is in a very bad shape even 12 days before release. Fortunately most of the players tried the Open Beta and aknowledged the game needs a lot of improvement and attention. Hopefully SE will listen to those opinions and pay more attention to them.
See, there you go again with the assumptions. YOU beleive there isnt anythign to do in this game, mostly because your too damn lazy to go look for it on your own. Perhaps you would be better off if they spoon fed you quest after quest after quest telling you to go kill 10 this or collect 20 of that. I'm sorry this game isnt built to your easy mode standards. Please get over yourself. Your not that important and no I dont really care who you are.
The simple fact as you have stated time and again is you beleive this game has no content, and by content you mean quests. You however have no idea what real content is. NO content is NOT JUST QUESTS! Did I make that clear enough for you yet? The lack of content is in reality between your freakin ears. You need to wake up and smell the roses bub. This game just happens to be beyond your comprehension it seems. If it isnt spoon fed to you then you automatically assume it isnt there. Fine, it is there, your just too shallow of a person in real life to understand the content.
I'll make one last attempt to reach beyond the carrot in front of you on the stick and bring you out from the treadmill you have obviously been riding for so long. The lack of content in this game is 100% your view point. The bad shape of this game is 100% your view point. The inability to do things in this game is 100% on your end. The lack of understanding on the UI is 100% your lack of intuition in figuring it out. The lack of in game help is 100% your lack of ability to find it for yourself. It is in there, your just too freaking LAZY to go find it. If the only thing you got out of your hours of gameplay is that there are only 8 levequests in a 48 hour period than please DO NOT PLAY THIS GAME. I for one do not want to have to take the effort to teach you how to play it once your in the game and whining about how you can't figure out where to go 'train up'.
And for the last time, I AM NOT A FANBOI OF FF OR SE! Do some freaking reading and maybe you would have caught the last 5 times I stated that. Sorry everyone, the one thing I cann't stand is people who spout off misinformation based solely on thier ill-gotten opinions. If this idiot had spend a few moments of his beta time actually TRYING to find what was there to do, TESTING the game as a beta tester like he was SUPPOSED to be doing, he would have seen there is more to do than smacking mobs with your weapon.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
The majority of my issues with FFXIV stem from lag and slow UI. This is a beta problem and I highly doubt will be a problem after release. Isn't that the point of OB? My guess is this lag effects people quite a bit and seeps into the rest of the game making their opinion negative overall. Imagining an FFXIV without any lag or slow UI makes my wiener tingle.
Unfortunately that is not a problem of Open Beta. Thats a problem of Crystal Tools Graphics Engine that FFXIV is created on. That engine had never before games created for PC. It is SE's first experience. They've been using this engine for years to create their console games and a lot of games for example from PS2 can be emulated to a PC and they perform perfectly fine.
I've played my PS2 version of FFXII on PC through emulator, with DX9 graphics, Anti Aliasing and AFs and it looks really awesome comparing to what it looked on PS2. Unfortunately Square Enix is porting FFXIV to PC. This game will perform on PS3 much better than on PC due to complexity of the graphics engine that is initially created for console games.
Thats why I don't see anything good happening with FFXIV on PC. I will be waiting for PS3 version and even then I'll first make sure that storylines are finished and there are more things to do. I am not paying 60$ to do 5 leves every 48 hours. Whoever wants to they can switch characters 5 times a day and run around the world with 1 character to complete leves from different townscities.
For me - it only says - this city has not enough content - this game has very little to do unless you like to be a jack of all trades. I like to focus on 1 class and at this time FFXIV has no content enough to immerse me into this one class.
Thanks for the info. I'll look into that a bit more before I considering buy this.
Regarding the last couple parts of what you said I suppose that'd vary from person to person. If dungeons and quests were added alongside the leves I believe it would keep a lot more people entertained. You're probably right in waiting for the PS3 version, I'd imagine that sort of thing would be worked out by then.
Where I differ the most is where you mention "jack of all trades." I think their system is perfect for people like me who plan on rolling three or four of the classes and switching between them frequently. Obtaining abilities from each class and using them as another class is the greatest thing I've ever heard. I don't have a lot of high lvl sub classes and am unsure of the limitations for the higher lvl skills but I'm loving it. The idea of creating an original mixture of skills and stats making my character different from all others. I don't need to switch characters constantly to fill my day completely. I don't have that kind of time to invest.
I hadn't planned on playing anymore MMOs until an old friend I had met in Lineage 2 long ago contacted me about FFXIV. I don't want to burn a lot of time on a game and when I do play I want a rich story and a lot of class options. The leve timers and xp caps force me to take care of what I need to IRL. So here I am hoping for the best at the end of this month.
See, there you go again with the assumptions. YOU beleive there isnt anythign to do in this game, mostly because your too damn lazy to go look for it on your own. Perhaps you would be better off if they spoon fed you quest after quest after quest telling you to go kill 10 this or collect 20 of that. I'm sorry this game isnt built to your easy mode standards. Please get over yourself. Your not that important and no I dont really care who you are.
The simple fact as you have stated time and again is you beleive this game has no content, and by content you mean quests. You however have no idea what real content is. NO content is NOT JUST QUESTS! Did I make that clear enough for you yet? The lack of content is in reality between your freakin ears. You need to wake up and smell the roses bub. This game just happens to be beyond your comprehension it seems. If it isnt spoon fed to you then you automatically assume it isnt there. Fine, it is there, your just too shallow of a person in real life to understand the content.
I'll make one last attempt to reach beyond the carrot in front of you on the stick and bring you out from the treadmill you have obviously been riding for so long. The lack of content in this game is 100% your view point. The bad shape of this game is 100% your view point. The inability to do things in this game is 100% on your end. The lack of understanding on the UI is 100% your lack of intuition in figuring it out. The lack of in game help is 100% your lack of ability to find it for yourself. It is in there, your just too freaking LAZY to go find it. If the only thing you got out of your hours of gameplay is that there are only 8 levequests in a 48 hour period than please DO NOT PLAY THIS GAME. I for one do not want to have to take the effort to teach you how to play it once your in the game and whining about how you can't figure out where to go 'train up'.
And for the last time, I AM NOT A FANBOI OF FF OR SE! Do some freaking reading and maybe you would have caught the last 5 times I stated that. Sorry everyone, the one thing I cann't stand is people who spout off misinformation based solely on thier ill-gotten opinions. If this idiot had spend a few moments of his beta time actually TRYING to find what was there to do, TESTING the game as a beta tester like he was SUPPOSED to be doing, he would have seen there is more to do than smacking mobs with your weapon.
Wow this guy is the biggest a-hole I've ever seen. Rage much? If you don't care about who he is, then why don't you try chilling out instead of writing a tirade on how stupid you think he is. And by the way, lack of content, bad shape, atypical hindrances to common MMO tasks--these are not simply 100% his opinion.
What does it matter how long it took or what level you got to? Just because some people like terrible game designs, doesn't mean everyone else should. I played the beta as long as I could tolerate it. The game itself is just not good. The limitations are beyond dumb.
Playing - Minecraft, 7 Days To Die, Darkfall:ROA, Path of Exile
What does it matter how long it took or what level you got to? Just because some people like terrible game designs, doesn't mean everyone else should. I played the beta as long as I could tolerate it. The game itself is just not good. The limitations are beyond dumb.
Who FREAKING cares what level we play until? I just started playing today and after the very first cut scenes I was immediately turned off the game. We don't have to play the game till level 10 or 20 or endgame to know the game stinks in OUR opinion. Square Enix sucks and it always has and any game they produce has sucked and will. Final Fantasy stopped after there merge with Enix. 14 is truely the spiritual successor of 11. In saying that I won't be playing as well as the mass majority of mmo gamers. After the failure that was 13 I don't see much of a future for the company. Ciao!!
Originally posted by xpiher What MMO do you currently play. Just wondering
There is currently nothing worth playing at the moment in my opinion. The only thing I would even bother with at this point would be EVE. Still debating on going back there, or just waiting for something worth my time. My reasoning behind the hostility is not to necessarily lash out at the gamers themselves; I am just fed up with pos companies like SOE who keep putting out the same ol crap year after year. This genre needs innovation, and FFXIV is not even close.
Oh and xpiher, did you see my post on the Darkfall forums. I gotta say, I love how people have to cheat no matter what game it is.
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i dont understand why you defend a company that is clearly irresponsible on so many levels.
sc2's beta??? flawless
Aion's beta?? terrible
also, just looking at this posts title, you guys clearly want to bash people who didnt play until some part saying "OMGz thas gaem is SO
u jst haznt g0ts 2 the 
part stupid thIS 1337 gaem is bettar w/o CHU!!!!!!"
/theinhibitor/
Are you implying that Square-Enix created Aion? Sure seems like it. They didn't, FYI.
Also, Aion's OB was rather good compared to most. They had all their content in, things lagged a bit and crashed sometimes and the servers filled but as time went on things were added and even a ridiculously awesome tutorial was put it just before or on launch day.. don't remember which. They listened. The game was still a carnival of running around in a big circular zone doing quests, but its beta was fine.
SE seems to have some weird ideas about an open beta, I'll give them that. I do hope that they're missing tons and tons and tons of content and.. it makes sense to hold that back in a way as they don't need them to test mechanics, but.. they're giving lots of people the wrong impression.
Objectivity is delivered with a lack of personality made for the mainstream but never used for the mainstream.
How do we know for 100% sure this beta is even the final game? We don't. It could be the same game as the closed Alpha or CB. All we know is they are fixing their patcher which is pittyfull and hitting the servers with steroids. SE keeps things close to the vest, always have. I suspect we'll see a very different game upon release. By the by, I have been totally enjoying the OB. I have one character that is rank 8 solely from crafting. She hasn't killed a mob. I think that is pretty neat!
Aion was made by NCSOFT...??
And we aren't bashing people for not getting to a certain level, we are simply stating the truth. FFXIV's OB is a real OB, not a marketing gimmick that has 90% of its content for you to try to hype the game up to your friends. The majority of its content is, just like FFXI, the story missions + BCM (a little different in FFXIV), both of which are only given to you as a taste for the system. People need to remember what OBs were used before games like WAR, Aion, etc.
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seems like it? wow your....in need of education.
im simply pointing out that a bad beta usually leads to a bad game thats all. CB maybe not, but OB?
SE doesnt have weird ideas about OB. they were under the gun and released it too early and it stinks. why are all of u so naive? u seriously think they would hold back the good parts? of course not, OB is supposed to be an advertisement with testing as a byproduct.
Aions ob was not good lol. and the fact that even they had all their content obviously shines a light on what a letdown FF14 is.
the fact that most of the reviewers had trouble with the UI, lag (seriously), and most of all, installing the damn beta and getting it running should just reek of poor management. but apparently a big name is a big name so people like you are blind sighted to what really matters:
most people think ff14 is a pile of shit. look at the current ratings.
/theinhibitor/
I was character level 12ish, have a few jobs around 10.
Have to agree. Aion's beta wasn't good. It was amongst one of the worst I've been in, as all they bascially did was put up the live code from the Korean servers and leave it. As a result there wasn't much to test, as we only got to see the 1.5 years old polished live code. It was fun though, until quests dried up mid game.
While most must know I'm not a fan of what SE have done with FF XIV, at least they are patching and liking what they are doing or not there's a visable progression.
Although to be honest I have no idea why Aion has suddenly come up in the discussion. They aren't related.
"most people think ff14 is a pile of shit. look at the current ratings."
Nobody knows what FFXIV is yet. Also, I don't care about ratings. Also, I'm not sold on the game and have posted as many criticisms about the game as I have positives if not more. But my opinion would change if they simply had more storyline quests at release. And I don't see how they can't. Having played through two of the three city's storylines they all leave off with mystery and intrigue and lots more apparent to do. Plus there's a huge sorting bar for quests in your journal. I would be amazed were this not added to at release and that would be enough to have my vote. 'nuff said. Troll-feeding done for now. Jerk!
Objectivity is delivered with a lack of personality made for the mainstream but never used for the mainstream.
I'm with you. I was blown away by the first quest line and am hoping more is added. I don't know whether to wait or preorder. If they add more content that is anything like that first quest line I am sold.
In the past I'd only buy games with good PvP but was recently converted to loving the actual storyline and challenging PvE. I want to struggle through difficult content, only being able to rely on my friends and I. Having to craft all of your gear, being able to set the difficulty on leves, and having randomly powerful mobs around really appeals to me. I had so much fun in SWG because of their crafting system. I was too busying PvPing to even notice it, but buying my gear from actual people who made crafting almost their entire experience was awesome!
Trying not to ignore the point of this thread I got to Plvl12/Clvl9 before I started to think FFXIV wasn't for me. At one point I even got angry about how badly the game dropped off. I keep getting drawn back in daily though. Once a few of my friends begin to play as well, or I find a good linkshell I'm hoping to enjoy it even more.
The majority of my issues with FFXIV stem from lag and slow UI. This is a beta problem and I highly doubt will be a problem after release. Isn't that the point of OB? My guess is this lag effects people quite a bit and seeps into the rest of the game making their opinion negative overall. Imagining an FFXIV without any lag or slow UI makes my wiener tingle.
I'd love to see some more information from SE on the specifics of their post-release content. Will it be lazy leves and small quests? Will we be rewarded with a great quest like before?
I know one thing for sure. I'll be listening to myself and not these extreme fanboys or naysayers. Those who make it their life's work to influence the opinion of others on a project they've taken no part in. Except maybe agreeing to be in a beta they don't even understand.
FFXIV however it seems like devs said " We are sorry but we simply didn't have time to finish teh game - ITS NOT READY FOR RELEASE ". The the company said - "We've paid you money and gave you enough time to work on the game - you wasted money and time, so do whatever you want but game has to hit the shelves on 22nd of September or you are all fired".
Thats what I think is happening right now. SE FFXIV franchise had to rush the game into Open Beta stage being forced to do it. Game is badly unfinished, has crippled gameplay but it needs to be released on 22nd or else... Thats why game is in such pathetic state. It is being rushed and nobody seems to care that rushed game will receive very bad reviews and will end up having very few subscribers - mostly those who got Special Editions pre-ordered. I feel sorry to be honest for people who has their pre-orders.
I've got burnt once on pre-ordering based on a hyp and CGIs (Aion) and paid for a year of gameplay, then I've tried the game and very regreted about it. I am not going to repeat that mistake with FFXIV. Even though I am one of the biggest supporters and fans of Square Enix.
Now see everything you said up there is based on your own belief that the words I highlight in pink are all true. To you they may appear to be, and I will grant you that, but those statement are not true to everyone. A fact is only a fact if it holds true to everyone under all circumstances. And by definition, these pink statements are not facts, but mere conjecture based on your own opinion of what you believe this game to be.
Now that being said, I do hope you did not pre-order this game, not because I dont want you to play it, but because those pink statements exhibit some serious negativety between you and this game. And that can lead to nothing but more stress and angst on your end, which logically should be avoided. I am in full agreement than anyone who exhibits this much distress in advance of a particular games launch, should not be attempting to force themselves into playing it.
Oh and to clarify, I personally do not find this game badly unfinished or having crippled gameplay. I certainly do not believe it is in a pathetic state right now, or that SE has had to rush the game into either open beta or for thier planned release date. And although there are many people giving this game very bad reviews, I still believe this game will have plenty of subscribers directly after launch and for a while to come.
As you can tell, there is a difference in our opinions on this game. And I'm sure there are many more that differ from us both on this very topic. The key to remember about the opening post on this thread is what I highlighted in red. The intent wasn't to see how long you played this game, but at what point you ceased to have fun. The assumption was placed upfront that everyone wasn't having fun in this game. The statement alone tainted the thread with a slant towards those who dont like this game already. Truth is, not everyone has ceased to have fun already, some of us are still enjoying every minute of it, we are of course not the target of this thread as it was intended.
I am really happy for you. And its great that you like the game in such a state with so few things to actually enjoy. Yes, weather effects are nice, I liked that as well. But if taking a boat and watching thunderstorms will keep your interest for months until they release at least more leves to do - I don't know, you must be a VERY BIG fan of FF online game since it takes very little for you to actually enjpoy the game.
Unfortunately thats not enough to keep most of the people interested. Boat ride is fun for a few times, later on it becomes a routine. You can jump around and pretend that you're having fun but trust me - after you take that boat ride for 5-10 times it won't be as enjoyable, it will be just a transport from point A to point B.
MMORPGs are made to attract many players if that won't happen - there won't be enough finances to support the game. How many people do you think SE will have enjoying the boat rides after a week of play after release? If there is no content and only weather effects and repeatable leves with 48 hours of downtime - you'll start losing even those who were jumping around the boat enjoying the weather effects with you.
Majority of playerbase consists of people who join the game to PLAY it. Socializing is fun but many MMO's have proven that kids these days are looking for faster ways of having fun. Us old farts, fans of real RPG like to socialize on the boats while it sails for 30 minutes from point A to point B, unfortunately those aren't most of the players.
I am happy for you that you are trying to see the world through a pink glasses, and don't want to aknowledge that game is in a very bad shape even 12 days before release. Fortunately most of the players tried the Open Beta and aknowledged the game needs a lot of improvement and attention. Hopefully SE will listen to those opinions and pay more attention to them.
I'm really on the fence about this game. I pre-ordered yesterday, and cancelled it by today. I think my tolerance for UI lag and my personal beef with terrain design varies daily.
I'm currently physical level 15, lvl 10 marauder, lvl 9 miner, lvl 7 blacksmith, lvl 7 thaumaturge...
What drove me to logging out tonight was the damn predictable leves. Below level 10, kill mob in one place, run to second place, kill mob, run back to first place. Over level 10, kill 2 mobs, watch 3rd mob run. 3rd mob finds friends, kill 2, last runs away, rinse, repeat. MEH.
Drop the next-gen marketing and people will argue if the game itself has merit.
I don't know what you mean when you say an awesome ASUS laptop but I have the ASUX G73 and it runs it perfectly fine. I mean comparing LOTRO to this game is like comparing Everquest to Everquest 2. Just because your laptop(probably a g53 or earlier) runs a game released several years ago doesn't mean it should run the top of the line best video game from today. Buy a new system and quit playing your lag on anything other than your crappy pc.
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Unfortunately that is not a problem of Open Beta. Thats a problem of Crystal Tools Graphics Engine that FFXIV is created on. That engine had never before games created for PC. It is SE's first experience. They've been using this engine for years to create their console games and a lot of games for example from PS2 can be emulated to a PC and they perform perfectly fine.
I've played my PS2 version of FFXII on PC through emulator, with DX9 graphics, Anti Aliasing and AFs and it looks really awesome comparing to what it looked on PS2. Unfortunately Square Enix is porting FFXIV to PC. This game will perform on PS3 much better than on PC due to complexity of the graphics engine that is initially created for console games.
Thats why I don't see anything good happening with FFXIV on PC. I will be waiting for PS3 version and even then I'll first make sure that storylines are finished and there are more things to do. I am not paying 60$ to do 5 leves every 48 hours. Whoever wants to they can switch characters 5 times a day and run around the world with 1 character to complete leves from different townscities.
For me - it only says - this city has not enough content - this game has very little to do unless you like to be a jack of all trades. I like to focus on 1 class and at this time FFXIV has no content enough to immerse me into this one class.
the thing you have to remember here is it's a GAME, and if you cannot keep your customers entertained after the first few hours the game fails as a source of entertainment and just becomes a job for fanboys
I never had fun right out of the gate,I will admit that i did enjoy watching the opening cutscenes from each city,but nothing i could do was actually fun.I know that there is people who get all giddy or excited just window shopping,but to average people FUN means something totally different.
I really don't even know the levels,as i don't care about levels when i play,remember the word FUN?I want something FUN to do,for myself that usually involves combat/strategy and player development.I found none of those 3 areas to be very creative or exciting.I found even the crafting a chore to get started,needed to walk all over hells acres before i found a NPC to sell me crafting stuff,by that time i had wandered myself into a tired mode and could barely find the nergy to fish.I fished for about 20 minutes,it was boring and i logged out and have not logged back in since.
Really Sqaure was too lazy to put some text on the map so people actually know where they are headed,i am sure most of us like to have some thought into where we are going rather than walk aimlessly.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Right, some people don't need content they just like to ride boats in FFXIV. Who cares about content, right?
For all those complaining about UI lag.. It sucks, yes.. unless you have a controller.
Playing the game on PS2/PS3/X360 controller makes all the difference;
No UI lag whatsoever, analog -> accurate movement, seemingly easier targeting etc.
If you want to like this game, get a controller and you'll feel much better about it. My 2c
As far the "get a controller" argument. It's untrue. Anything related to inventory management, crafting, retainers is excessively laggy regardless of method of control.
Drop the next-gen marketing and people will argue if the game itself has merit.
See, there you go again with the assumptions. YOU beleive there isnt anythign to do in this game, mostly because your too damn lazy to go look for it on your own. Perhaps you would be better off if they spoon fed you quest after quest after quest telling you to go kill 10 this or collect 20 of that. I'm sorry this game isnt built to your easy mode standards. Please get over yourself. Your not that important and no I dont really care who you are.
The simple fact as you have stated time and again is you beleive this game has no content, and by content you mean quests. You however have no idea what real content is. NO content is NOT JUST QUESTS! Did I make that clear enough for you yet? The lack of content is in reality between your freakin ears. You need to wake up and smell the roses bub. This game just happens to be beyond your comprehension it seems. If it isnt spoon fed to you then you automatically assume it isnt there. Fine, it is there, your just too shallow of a person in real life to understand the content.
I'll make one last attempt to reach beyond the carrot in front of you on the stick and bring you out from the treadmill you have obviously been riding for so long. The lack of content in this game is 100% your view point. The bad shape of this game is 100% your view point. The inability to do things in this game is 100% on your end. The lack of understanding on the UI is 100% your lack of intuition in figuring it out. The lack of in game help is 100% your lack of ability to find it for yourself. It is in there, your just too freaking LAZY to go find it. If the only thing you got out of your hours of gameplay is that there are only 8 levequests in a 48 hour period than please DO NOT PLAY THIS GAME. I for one do not want to have to take the effort to teach you how to play it once your in the game and whining about how you can't figure out where to go 'train up'.
And for the last time, I AM NOT A FANBOI OF FF OR SE! Do some freaking reading and maybe you would have caught the last 5 times I stated that. Sorry everyone, the one thing I cann't stand is people who spout off misinformation based solely on thier ill-gotten opinions. If this idiot had spend a few moments of his beta time actually TRYING to find what was there to do, TESTING the game as a beta tester like he was SUPPOSED to be doing, he would have seen there is more to do than smacking mobs with your weapon.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
Thanks for the info. I'll look into that a bit more before I considering buy this.
Regarding the last couple parts of what you said I suppose that'd vary from person to person. If dungeons and quests were added alongside the leves I believe it would keep a lot more people entertained. You're probably right in waiting for the PS3 version, I'd imagine that sort of thing would be worked out by then.
Where I differ the most is where you mention "jack of all trades." I think their system is perfect for people like me who plan on rolling three or four of the classes and switching between them frequently. Obtaining abilities from each class and using them as another class is the greatest thing I've ever heard. I don't have a lot of high lvl sub classes and am unsure of the limitations for the higher lvl skills but I'm loving it. The idea of creating an original mixture of skills and stats making my character different from all others. I don't need to switch characters constantly to fill my day completely. I don't have that kind of time to invest.
I hadn't planned on playing anymore MMOs until an old friend I had met in Lineage 2 long ago contacted me about FFXIV. I don't want to burn a lot of time on a game and when I do play I want a rich story and a lot of class options. The leve timers and xp caps force me to take care of what I need to IRL. So here I am hoping for the best at the end of this month.
Wow this guy is the biggest a-hole I've ever seen. Rage much? If you don't care about who he is, then why don't you try chilling out instead of writing a tirade on how stupid you think he is. And by the way, lack of content, bad shape, atypical hindrances to common MMO tasks--these are not simply 100% his opinion.
What does it matter how long it took or what level you got to? Just because some people like terrible game designs, doesn't mean everyone else should. I played the beta as long as I could tolerate it. The game itself is just not good. The limitations are beyond dumb.
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What MMO do you currently play. Just wondering
Games:
Currently playing:Nothing
Will play: Darkfall: Unholy Wars
Past games:
Guild Wars 2 - Xpiher Duminous
Xpiher's GW2
GW 1 - Xpiher Duminous
Darkfall - Xpiher Duminous (NA) retired
AoC - Xpiher (Tyranny) retired
Warhammer - Xpiher
Who FREAKING cares what level we play until? I just started playing today and after the very first cut scenes I was immediately turned off the game. We don't have to play the game till level 10 or 20 or endgame to know the game stinks in OUR opinion. Square Enix sucks and it always has and any game they produce has sucked and will. Final Fantasy stopped after there merge with Enix. 14 is truely the spiritual successor of 11. In saying that I won't be playing as well as the mass majority of mmo gamers. After the failure that was 13 I don't see much of a future for the company. Ciao!!
There is currently nothing worth playing at the moment in my opinion. The only thing I would even bother with at this point would be EVE. Still debating on going back there, or just waiting for something worth my time. My reasoning behind the hostility is not to necessarily lash out at the gamers themselves; I am just fed up with pos companies like SOE who keep putting out the same ol crap year after year. This genre needs innovation, and FFXIV is not even close.
Oh and xpiher, did you see my post on the Darkfall forums. I gotta say, I love how people have to cheat no matter what game it is.
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