It's at times like these that I sit and repeat my MMO gaming mantra:
"Never, but never, ever subscribe to a brand new MMO; give it 10 months and let others pay to be post-beta testers."
I absolutely agree. Well said.
fully agree!! Well said!
almost every mmo that has released in a beta state has failed, so giving 10 months doesn't improve anything at all. You might have less bugs but you'll also be logging onto established and half-empty servers.
Again, the irony is that not a single MMO has EVER release feature complete, EVER. So your statement is just down right silly.
Remember WoW? How they sold twice as many boxes as they had server space? How they had Queues to log in from day one? How it had no racial abilities, how you fell through the world all the time?
No? You guys dont' remember this? Rose colored glasses must be in style again.
I remember my WoW server was down on day 2 and not back up until day 4 after launch. I also remember being stuck in a crouched position on loot lag for sometimes 30+ minutes. And it took them literally MONTHS to fix the damn copper nodes that stuck ya in that loot lag position forever. Or when you got to level 20 and could actually put on shoulder armor, how you had the choice of exactly 3 pieces, one cloth, one leather, and one mail...all uglier than sin too. And dont even get me started on the mail system or AH at the time, wow, seriously thats all you could say at launch was WOW.
Definately rose colored glasses.
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Strange you couldnt' do the tutorial levequests, I could have swron there were two for 'Desciple of War and Magic' which means all combat type classes without resctriction. There should have also been one more tutorial levequest for each gathering class, each of those also walks you thru how to gather and locate the nodes.
As for pop up tooltips, yes you can mouse over almost every icon and get that now. No they are not detailed as to how much damage or what % buff/debuff like other games, but crunching the numbers isn't what this game is about so I wouldn't expect that if I were you. As for the elements, moon phases, the gods, all that is in the books you can read in the guilds. The Thurm guild has the gods books, Conjurer has the moon phases and elements if I remember correctly.
The popup green button when you cast a spell, well thats how you make it a single target or AoE spell. You can slect it every time you cast it or just click/enter thru it and it will go with whatever you last selected. If the green button has arrows on the outside edge its AoE, if not it isn't. I believe that info is in the game help guide you can read on the aethercrystal in each of the starting cities. Gaining skills and class progression is also covered in this book.
Levequests, they are active on your list until you do them, then they are grey'd out as inactive until thier timer is up (they hold the place so you can't get more that your allowed). Once thier timer is up they can be 'exchanged' for new ones, or the same one again if you like. All you do is go back to the person who gives out levequests and pick the ones you want. If you have a full list (active or inactive) it will pop up a list and ask you which ones you want to exchange. You can do a 1 for 1 exchange, or you can do multiple for 1 exchange (this nets more xp/money for doing only 1 instead of 2 or 3).
Hahah they space bar jump, yeah I still do that every now and then too, annoying but other than that? And I agree completely on the map sucking big time. If there is any place a mouse needs to be allowed to be used, its on the map. Let me scroll it, back out, zome in, anything but what it is now.
Summoning retainers is actually rather easy, you just need to be either in a market zone or near a bell. The bells are like ones you find on the front desk of a hotel, not much bigger, and stand on a small pedistal. Each starting location (where you buy one) has a bell (advanturers guild). You will also notice when your at a bell that annoying ! in a bubble pops up at the top of your screen just like when your at an Aethercrystal. And yeah, those bells are all over the place, every city has them in thier shops row too. Once you get that ! just access it like you do every other time it pops up and you will get your retainer.
Oh and yeah I love LoTRO, I'm one of those lifers on that one, unfortunately they recently dumbed down the crafting to a point I no longer enjoy it as much as I used to. Thats why I'm interested in FFXIV, they have a very nice, indepth crafting system that I'm hoping will pick up where LoTRO left off when they 'simplified' it.
Hope this helps.
EDIT: oh and to that other person, no I'm not a fanboi. I am however someone who is willing to TRY and learn a new game instead of expecting everything handed ot me on a silver platter. You dont agree, I get that, thats your choice. Me, I prefer to pick up a challenge in life and try to overcome it, not everyone is like that. Some like governement handouts, its ok...thats the way of the future I hear.
well nice for you, i hope square enix starts to give out xp for figuring out the UI. and once your past it you notice the lack of content. you partially agreed to my points and still say the UI is ok once you get past the fact that its actually shit ? why do you still hit the jump space bar then ?!? oh and the map sucks btw. oh and map navigation with the ijkl keys (hint/tooltip ?) oh and where the hell am i on that map ?
As a company you would have 2 choices i think. Here's your game about to release and by and large is getting absolutely reamed by the gaming community for being a shallow grindfest.
choice 1: You have an internal build that is a super massive magical patch that fixes everything and makes your game the best game ever. Do you release it and show everyone that you game rocks and salvage your word of mouth, even though it may spoil the game a bit? Or heck you could even just make an announcement saying "we've heard your complaints, we'd like to assure you that the build currently in open beta is feature incomplete we have thousands of quests internally that haven't been pushed live as our internal team has tested them and we didn't not want to ruin teh game for our beta players"
choice 2: Your a super arrogant company that really doesn't care what anyone thinks. You give your playerbase absolutely no information and count 100% on the fact that you have a long running IP that you figure the people in your home country of japan will eat up no matter what and that anyone outside of japan can mostly just bite, the ones that like your IP will play anyway no matter how crappy the game is.
Which seems more likely in this case?
There is no magical beta patch that makes the game good. What you see now is final and barring minor changes is what you get at release. it's too late to shove out a ton of stuff.
Woot, someone finally gets it.
Unless SE changes some of the very core mechanics of the game, this game is destined to mediocracy.
Strange you couldnt' do the tutorial levequests, I could have swron there were two for 'Desciple of War and Magic' which means all combat type classes without resctriction. There should have also been one more tutorial levequest for each gathering class, each of those also walks you thru how to gather and locate the nodes.
As for pop up tooltips, yes you can mouse over almost every icon and get that now. No they are not detailed as to how much damage or what % buff/debuff like other games, but crunching the numbers isn't what this game is about so I wouldn't expect that if I were you. As for the elements, moon phases, the gods, all that is in the books you can read in the guilds. The Thurm guild has the gods books, Conjurer has the moon phases and elements if I remember correctly.
The popup green button when you cast a spell, well thats how you make it a single target or AoE spell. You can slect it every time you cast it or just click/enter thru it and it will go with whatever you last selected. If the green button has arrows on the outside edge its AoE, if not it isn't. I believe that info is in the game help guide you can read on the aethercrystal in each of the starting cities. Gaining skills and class progression is also covered in this book.
Levequests, they are active on your list until you do them, then they are grey'd out as inactive until thier timer is up (they hold the place so you can't get more that your allowed). Once thier timer is up they can be 'exchanged' for new ones, or the same one again if you like. All you do is go back to the person who gives out levequests and pick the ones you want. If you have a full list (active or inactive) it will pop up a list and ask you which ones you want to exchange. You can do a 1 for 1 exchange, or you can do multiple for 1 exchange (this nets more xp/money for doing only 1 instead of 2 or 3).
Hahah they space bar jump, yeah I still do that every now and then too, annoying but other than that? And I agree completely on the map sucking big time. If there is any place a mouse needs to be allowed to be used, its on the map. Let me scroll it, back out, zome in, anything but what it is now.
Summoning retainers is actually rather easy, you just need to be either in a market zone or near a bell. The bells are like ones you find on the front desk of a hotel, not much bigger, and stand on a small pedistal. Each starting location (where you buy one) has a bell (advanturers guild). You will also notice when your at a bell that annoying ! in a bubble pops up at the top of your screen just like when your at an Aethercrystal. And yeah, those bells are all over the place, every city has them in thier shops row too. Once you get that ! just access it like you do every other time it pops up and you will get your retainer.
Oh and yeah I love LoTRO, I'm one of those lifers on that one, unfortunately they recently dumbed down the crafting to a point I no longer enjoy it as much as I used to. Thats why I'm interested in FFXIV, they have a very nice, indepth crafting system that I'm hoping will pick up where LoTRO left off when they 'simplified' it.
Hope this helps.
EDIT: oh and to that other person, no I'm not a fanboi. I am however someone who is willing to TRY and learn a new game instead of expecting everything handed ot me on a silver platter. You dont agree, I get that, thats your choice. Me, I prefer to pick up a challenge in life and try to overcome it, not everyone is like that. Some like governement handouts, its ok...thats the way of the future I hear.
well nice for you, i hope square enix starts to give out xp for figuring out the UI. and once your past it you notice the lack of content. you partially agreed to my points and still say the UI is ok once you get past the fact that its actually shit ? why do you still hit the jump space bar then ?!? oh and the map sucks btw. oh and map navigation with the ijkl keys (hint/tooltip ?) oh and where the hell am i on that map ?
Did I? Really? I'm confused, where exactly did I say a lack of content anywhere in that? Dont think I did, nope I sure didnt. And yes I do still say the UI is fine, the map sucks yes, but the user interface is just fine - I never once called the UI shit, I do believe that was only you. Oh yeah look, another time your putting words in there, did I say anything about ijkl keys, nope, sure didnt. And for the space bar comment, every now and then I hit the jump because half the games I have played over the past 7 years have had jump on the space bar. I have yet to actually NEED to jump at all in the time I have been playing, only do it out of habit for fun. And finally we come to your last comment, which I think sums up your entire problem all in the last 10 words. Your lost, in game and out of game. You have no clue where you are or what your talking about. Your just spitting out trash for the sake of argument. I spent the time to take the questions posed in this thread and give honest, helpful responses to them. You didn't like that, nor did you like the fact that I didn't become all angry at you for your childish fanboi comment, so you came back with this comment continuing to try bait me. Well I'm sorry to disappoint you again, but nice try. Some day you will find your place in the world and give up on the old hatred thing, it doesn't suit you.
And for the record so your not confused again, UI is fine, Help system fine, movement fine, content fine, jump dont care, map needs work (you need to look for the gold arrow by the way )
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Ok can we stop all this childish crap. I have not meet one person in game that does not think FFXIV is hard to get into. That the mouse for some odd reason is lagging but the game is not. Yes there is a problem with the mouse at the 1st start of everyones game. The UI is different and not very well done. EVERYONE has trouble at the start of this MMO finding where and who to go to. Oh and this "its beta" yes and know but in May, June.. you could cry "ITS BETA!". The gets released when? Yeah you think theres going to be some HUGE overhaul here? What you play here will be 95% what you will be playing when launched.
So it like all MMO's at launch needs alot of love. You will pay to wait or wait to pay. So far it is not worth $15 a month in any way.
10 days out; that excuse only works for minor things, not core gameplay issues.
Who says they have not fixed the core gameplay issues, and just do not want to release them in the Beta. They can have beta end and on release look like they did a crapload of stuff in the last 2 days.
Who knows maybe they have; I think that's a horrible idea from a business/marketing standpoint, regardless, I've played this "miracle patch" game too many times. Your argument is always presented, I've even used it, but it never holds up at launch.
Maybe this will be the magical game to break the cycle of crappy launches, and that'd be great for those who will play, but I doubt it.
Letting people in a Beta that think its a free trial is what is bad for business/marketing.
With as many people that wanted in they should have had some type of higher standards or requirements to actually help with the beta process, and if you do not pull your weight they ban you from the beta.
Mass beta's are free trials. Are you so nieve?
The last company that "fixed issues" but dident include the changes in the beta is not doing so well now.
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10 days out; that excuse only works for minor things, not core gameplay issues.
Who says they have not fixed the core gameplay issues, and just do not want to release them in the Beta. They can have beta end and on release look like they did a crapload of stuff in the last 2 days.
Who knows maybe they have; I think that's a horrible idea from a business/marketing standpoint, regardless, I've played this "miracle patch" game too many times. Your argument is always presented, I've even used it, but it never holds up at launch.
Maybe this will be the magical game to break the cycle of crappy launches, and that'd be great for those who will play, but I doubt it.
Letting people in a Beta that think its a free trial is what is bad for business/marketing.
With as many people that wanted in they should have had some type of higher standards or requirements to actually help with the beta process, and if you do not pull your weight they ban you from the beta.
Mass beta's are free trials. Are you so nieve?
The last company that "fixed issues" but dident include the changes in the beta is not doing so well now.
People who think that mass beta's are free trials are so nieve. Free trials are free trials.
I think its a good idea, as the people who think its a free trial now and don't get a full understanding for the game, wont be there at launch spamming idiotic comments.
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Hey, its beta, do you think they wanted everyone to see how great their game really is? NOOOO, tlhey provided a game that runs poorly then got a patch to fix it and did not impliment it because they wanted to surprise all those who toughed it out in OB.
Im in the same boat as the OP. Ive really tried to like this game and get my mind wrapped around it, but its just to lacking. There is no sense of direction at all. The UI seems very clunky and hard to use. The combat system is almost non-existant.
The graphics are fantastic. I didnt have a lot of lag issues, though im playing on a monster rig.
Over the course of the last 10 years, the average MMO player has evolved into a much deeper player. Early on players were easily placated with minimal eye candy and shallow lore. Now it is significantly harder for designers to "WoW" its players. Blizzard has had so much success by "KiSS" Keep it simple stupid. They steer you through the lore and the quest hubs and then quests lead to groups.. and groups lead to raids.. and now.. raids lead to boredom.
We are all looking for that "First time" feeling in a new MMO and point blank, its never gonna happen. We either need to accept it and be happy with what we have or give up.
But as the OP said... FFXIV sucks.. no other way around it. '
Its destined to be mentioned in the same breath as WarHammer , Age of Conan and Aion.. Huge failures.
we can play this wow card, but by now wow is very old mmo, and having excuses " game was too popular for its own good its just plain ridiculous " ff have its issues, and those are huge, in any way you look, game wont sport more than 200k subs , and half probably will come from old ff game , so in reality it will be less , as loss in one and gain in another is not a profit
for its time wow was flawless release, you had bugged mining nodes, yes.. relog fixed, and even in that bugged possition you could do everything, it was annimation that was frozen, if i recall you couldnt mine again, not sure tho, but quick relog fixed that,
falling endlessly sure, annoying thing, but it was rare, something along the lines, once in a week, when we were playing 24/7 it felt like rare ,
do you think every mmo have as much server spots as boxes they release? no they dont, they have half of it mostly, by now every company have another half on standby just in case, but wow was first like that, queues, never were that long there were plenty of server to play and if you took most populated one, even if there was 50 emtpy servers , noone could fix your stupidity , i hate wow bashing in topics like this, it ran flawlessly apart few minor issues.
Miracle patch argument is just retarded , we had those for aoc, for war, and so on.. war was better before that patch, and that miracle patch killed the game, aoc patch did quite well actually(it came out week or two before release ), but it only fixed early game
both of those games are barely alive, ff will be there, in 100-200k sub range.. and you are deliusional if you think otherwise
People who think that mass beta's are free trials are so nieve. Free trials are free trials.
I think its a good idea, as the people who think its a free trial now and don't get a full understanding for the game, wont be there at launch spamming idiotic comments.
Don't be delusional.
Open beta serves two purposes. 1, it helps the developer get a grasp on how their servers will run in a setting similar to launch. 2, it gives the general public a chance to experience the game. XIV open beta is a demo, not a trial. The only difference will be people need to pay for a trial.
People can keep sugar coating it as much as they want, but in the MMO genre, open beta = demo. Get over it.
for its time wow was flawless release, you had bugged mining nodes, yes.. relog fixed, and even in that bugged possition you could do everything, it was annimation that was frozen, if i recall you couldnt mine again, not sure tho, but quick relog fixed that,
falling endlessly sure, annoying thing, but it was rare, something along the lines, once in a week, when we were playing 24/7 it felt like rare ,
... queues, never were that long there were plenty of server to play and if you took most populated one, even if there was 50 emtpy servers , noone could fix your stupidity , i hate wow bashing in topics like this, it ran flawlessly apart few minor issues.
I'm assuming that you really didn't play NA release of WoW.
Even though I enjoy WoW tremendously and played it on and off since its release and have Cataclysm pre-ordered, WoW release was a nightmare.
The server queues at least for Lothar (the server my guild chose to play in) was around 30 to 45 minutes for the first 2-4 weeks.
Getting stuck while looting where you couldn't do anything else because you were not only stuck in the kneeling animation but you were also waiting for the server to give you the items you looted. You couldn't do anything, the only way to fix it was to log out and log back in...which of course people dreaded doing that since we had the bloody queues to deal with.
I also assume you didn't enjoy the several days of server outages while Blizzard constantly tried to track down their Database/Server problems. Just by looking at my account I got several days of free game time from Blizz when WoW was first released.
Also the excuse of people taking the most populated server is idiotic, ALL servers when WoW was first released had Queues and were overpopulated.
Now, even despite all of WoWs problems at release, the game was A LOT of fun to play, it was quirky and charming. Even though people don't enjoy WoWs graphics, I find it Art direction wonderful. But like I said, lets not delude ourselfs in thinking WoW was perfect when it was released late 2004.
Regarding FF14, I find the game charming and it actually made me interested, so I pre-ordered the game. I know it has tons of problems and some of them are just downright annoying. For example, what's up with the chat system? If there's a way to create new tabs, I haven't found it yet. Having to use a patch or a program like Windower to play the game in a proper borderless Windowed, having also that same program to give me a hardware mouse and keep an eye out for the game client since it likes to set itself in Low Priority on my computer, making the game sluggish!? I'm hoping SE will fix these problems but for now I'll still be there on launch day.
thread title describes my experience perfectly. I remember playing ffxi beta, and it was way better a game than this.
So you did play in the Japanese PS2 beta of FFXI? Are you sure? The japanese beta and release of FFXI was a biggest mess... The game become playable 1 years later.. Still the game is still there.
Well said! Glad you brought up the point that us non-Japanese gamers weren't even the first to sample the original incarnation of the FFXI beta. I'm still surprised that Japan is even letting us play the FFXIV beta.
Yep and look what happen now... they all whine because they dont have their precious polish xxx years game at the release. This is the only and real mistake SE has done...
mind you its 2010, we built your car with the steering wheel at the backseat, but we will come back to you eventually in 2012 then its where it should be ... pls stay with us
this only works for fanboys
geez your argument here is so off the chart, comparing an mmo with a car... lol First there is no mmo who was finish at the release and there will be none. Simply because an mmo is never finish.
Now if i understand your poor sentence, that mean there is thing in FFXIV that is not at the place where they should be. mind giving me an explanation? The game as some flaws yes but that all, but i saw nothing like your pathetic steering wheel theory....
The 2010 argument is too becoming old. Video game (any sort) will always has bug at release, the years has nothing to do with it.
So if i like the game that make me a fanatic?? geez ok so im a fanboy and what are you then?......
thread title describes my experience perfectly. I remember playing ffxi beta, and it was way better a game than this.
So you did play in the Japanese PS2 beta of FFXI? Are you sure? The japanese beta and release of FFXI was a biggest mess... The game become playable 1 years later.. Still the game is still there.
Well said! Glad you brought up the point that us non-Japanese gamers weren't even the first to sample the original incarnation of the FFXI beta. I'm still surprised that Japan is even letting us play the FFXIV beta.
Yep and look what happen now... they all whine because they dont have their precious polish xxx years game at the release. This is the only and real mistake SE has done...
mind you its 2010, we built your car with the steering wheel at the backseat, but we will come back to you eventually in 2012 then its where it should be ... pls stay with us
this only works for fanboys
Cute retort. I'll take my release copy of FFXIV for a few laps around the block. I wonder if Allstate will cover it. If you want to scare people away from a game that hasn't even been released yet, go right ahead. I will do nothing to stop you after this reply, unless you want to keep stirring the pot. I have better things to do with my time. Still, I have no idea what you play. Perhaps you can recommend me something you play so I can see where you're coming from?
thread title describes my experience perfectly. I remember playing ffxi beta, and it was way better a game than this.
So you did play in the Japanese PS2 beta of FFXI? Are you sure? The japanese beta and release of FFXI was a biggest mess... The game become playable 1 years later.. Still the game is still there.
Well said! Glad you brought up the point that us non-Japanese gamers weren't even the first to sample the original incarnation of the FFXI beta. I'm still surprised that Japan is even letting us play the FFXIV beta.
Yep and look what happen now... they all whine because they dont have their precious polish xxx years game at the release. This is the only and real mistake SE has done...
mind you its 2010, we built your car with the steering wheel at the backseat, but we will come back to you eventually in 2012 then its where it should be ... pls stay with us
this only works for fanboys
geez your argument here is so off the chart, comparing an mmo with a car... lol First there is no mmo who was finish at the release and there will be none. Simply because an mmo is never finish.
Now if i understand your poor sentence, that mean there is thing in FFXIV that is not at the place where they should be. mind giving me an explanation? The game as some flaws yes but that all, but i saw nothing like your pathetic steering wheel theory....
The 2010 argument is too becoming old. Video game (any sort) will always has bug at release, the years has nothing to do with it.
So if i like the game that make me a fanatic?? geez ok so im a fanboy and what are you then?......
You just completely missed the point of his post.
The good stuff is there, in the game. But it was just implemented incorrectly. SE failed to follow through on a number of important issues really. You've heard them all before, so I won't list them again.
The game is a diamond in the rough. At launch, we're supposed to see that sparkle, and that's when the polishing starts. But in its current state? It's still six feet in the ground. Instead of digging with heavy machinery, SE is still using shovels and picks.
10 days out; that excuse only works for minor things, not core gameplay issues.
Actually, and I know this is going to be hard to believe, saying beta here really means something, not...really needed in all caps but whatever. Unlike most of the western MMO developers, Square-Enix keeps most of their game close to their chest, so when they say here's open beta, what that means is genuinely, come stress test our servers and see if there's any massive bugs that we somehow missed (Glaringly bad UI??).
If this were..say a western developer the "open beta" would be more akin to, try our game for free for a week or so before we launch it so you'll go buy it.
People who are saying it's only x days away so this is what you're going to get are actually wrong, though normally, would it be any other game up to this point I'd wholeheartedly agree with them.
What you get out of the box will be a very different animal than what we see in beta. Well, the UI is going to still suck probably but as far as content goes, it'll be put in (beta manual even states that only a very small fraction of what is in the game is allowed to be played through in beta). We'll see reduced latency and better FPS once the debug code gets pushed out of the way, not to mention, it is SE; there could be entirely new classes, races, customization options etc etc that they're simply not going to tell us about because that's not the way they do it.
Yes it's mind blowingly frustrating that unlike every other MMO out there you can't just go to a few websites and learn all there is to know about any game at any given moment. This one..well there's so little information out there I can't even begin to try to sort through it all...but I am looking forward to learning it.
In conclusion, yup, the game is 10..well 9 days out now, this statement is true. However the fact that the open beta is being used entirely as a stress and UI test and not a game preview like other MMO's needs to be taken into account. Any review or opinion at this point is sort of like reviewing your opinion of a movie you've only seen the opening credits for.
mind you its 2010, we built your car with the steering wheel at the backseat, but we will come back to you eventually in 2012 then its where it should be ... pls stay with us
this only works for fanboys
geez your argument here is so off the chart, comparing an mmo with a car... lol First there is no mmo who was finish at the release and there will be none. Simply because an mmo is never finish.
Now if i understand your poor sentence, that mean there is thing in FFXIV that is not at the place where they should be. mind giving me an explanation? The game as some flaws yes but that all, but i saw nothing like your pathetic steering wheel theory....
The 2010 argument is too becoming old. Video game (any sort) will always has bug at release, the years has nothing to do with it.
So if i like the game that make me a fanatic?? geez ok so im a fanboy and what are you then?......
You just completely missed the point of his post.
The good stuff is there, in the game. But it was just implemented incorrectly. SE failed to follow through on a number of important issues really. You've heard them all before, so I won't list them again.
The game is a diamond in the rough. At launch, we're supposed to see that sparkle, and that's when the polishing starts. But in its current state? It's still six feet in the ground. Instead of digging with heavy machinery, SE is still using shovels and picks.
I dont think i missed his point since in fact there where none exept sarcasm and trolling, with a pitiful example
I've struggled with this game long enough.... It looks pretty but beyond that goes downhill quickly.
Performance really sucks. This is shocking since most asian games perform amazing and look amazing. I have a quad core intel processor running at 2.66ghz, 4gb ram, a GTX 465 with 1gb ram, and win 7 64 bit. The mouse and most everything initially lagged when I made the window match my resolution. I tried turning down every option to no avail it would still be laggy. Finally I got it into full screen and performance was tolerable. Then I ran into crashing issues. Beyond that casting spells is difficult, I have to target something, select the spell then I think target it again. Whatever the issue it is far from fluid and is difficult to play. There is no global chat or anyway I can see to ask for help.
Maybe I haven't stuck it out long enough but this game is just not fun. And I haven't really even gotten started in it.
Performance should be fine on your system. The issue with most people is that the game does not have hardware cursor support at this time and its software cursor is terribly optimized, leading to the input lag. The moment that there is hardware cursor support, you should find that it is perfectly responsive.
I'm with you on the combat, though. Very bizarre.
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Yeah my problem with the game is most definately performance, im on a Quad-SLi GTX 295 Core i7 920@4ghz 6Gb Ram. and it runs terrible perhaps 25-50fps most times. The characters look really good, but the world looks mediocre.
-Also another big problem I have with it is the responsiveness of the combat. Its like im selecting attacks in a turn based rpg. But the timers are all messed up and stuff just happens randomly(in my opinion), when i inflict damage it doesnt seem to register correctly. The animation to hit, the damage numbers, the swing times and death animation timing seems to be completely out of alignment. WAR, WoW, LoTRO, AoC didnt have this problem...
-Repeatable quests(or more quests) with rewards and xp would be much better then, 20% questing 80% grinding.
-Profession based classes are extremely boring to play.......
-The interface is crap, its menu based like a japanese console rpg, its doesnt work for a PC MMO, equiping gear and sorting items should be quick and simple.
-Talking to npcs, its classic japanese rpg right here, you feel alittle locked into conversations, it shouldnt hinder you from quickly buying items and quickly exiting mid conversation especially if theres nothing important to talk about, doing repetitive tasks like buying and selling items is tedious.
I honestly havent explored much into character development or storylines, the core gameplay is whats killing me. It feels like they intend this game to be too much like FF console games.
I am running the game on an Athlon 64 X2 2.0ghz with 2GB ram and a GeForce GT240 and apparently it runs it better than your PC. If I were you, I would get your money back because you got ripped off somewhere if my shitty PC is out performing your PC. Either that or stop lying about the game performance or your specs.
Bitching about repetetive combat in an MMORPG is like complaining that the sky is blue. It's what ALL RPGs are about. Everyone knows this. Go back to Call of Duty
I don't think you have even played this game. It is all about repeatable quests with rewards and xp over plain grinding.
Talking to NPCs is classic RPG. This is an RPG. Complaining about an RPG being and RPG is retarded.
I am convinced this post is 90% lie and 10% guessing.
Well i built my PC, i know what i have inside of it. I dont think this game utilises SLi very well at all, so my quad SLi would be the equivilent of a single GT260 if so. I cant login right now to fraps the game performance a new error has popped up. Its playable for sure, but its not smooth.
I didnt "bitch" about repetitive combat at all, I just said the ratio of questing to grinding was a bit off. I would prefer leves to be repeatable is all I said.
About talking to NPCs; just because its classic RPG doesnt mean its acceptable.
->Take WoW for instance, click on a vendor -you have the Buy/Sell and inventory in the one interface - One click does everthing Right Click to buy/sell(ctrl+click for quantity). At any point you can instantly leave and walk away. Its not revolutionary.
->In 'Classic RPG' you click on a vendor - he tells you his life story - goes to a menu to pick sell/buy/exit - goes to list of items, click the item even if you only want 1 item it goes to another menu again to selct quantity - then back to the buy menu, press exit - then back to the sell/buy/exit menu - then exit. You are locked in while this is happening, you have to go through all the menu's to exit.
I have the best hope for this game, i think it will do better on PS3 tho.
I have the best hope for this game, i think it will do better on PS3 tho.
From the minute I loaded FF XIV up in closed beta I thought it felt like a badly ported console game, I had such high hopes for this game after enjoying XI, but my time in the beta's really has put me off buying it now.
I have the best hope for this game, i think it will do better on PS3 tho.
From the minute I loaded FF XIV up in closed beta I thought it felt like a badly ported console game, I had such high hopes for this game after enjoying XI, but my time in the beta's really has put me off buying it now.
Well i built my PC, i know what i have inside of it. I dont think this game utilises SLi very well at all, so my quad SLi would be the equivilent of a single GT260 if so. I cant login right now to fraps the game performance a new error has popped up. Its playable for sure, but its not smooth.
That's always the rub with a SLI system, isn't it? The game either supports SLI well or it doesn't. Not much you can do about that but hope the developers decide the audience with SLI systems are numerous enough to invest the development time in.
I have to wonder, though - the "buffer" setting in the FFXIV config problem has a "double" setting that doesn't seem to do any good on a single video card system. If you set it "double," does it help?
Originally posted by thirdechelon
I didnt "bitch" about repetitive combat at all, I just said the ratio of questing to grinding was a bit off. I would prefer leves to be repeatable is all I said.
They are, but it takes 48 hours for them to refresh. Actually, it should be less soon because the developers mentioned they were going to reduce that.
Originally posted by thirdechelon
About talking to NPCs; just because its classic RPG doesnt mean its acceptable.
->Take WoW for instance, click on a vendor -you have the Buy/Sell and inventory in the one interface - One click does everthing Right Click to buy/sell(ctrl+click for quantity). At any point you can instantly leave and walk away. Its not revolutionary.
->In 'Classic RPG' you click on a vendor - he tells you his life story - goes to a menu to pick sell/buy/exit - goes to list of items, click the item even if you only want 1 item it goes to another menu again to selct quantity - then back to the buy menu, press exit - then back to the sell/buy/exit menu - then exit. You are locked in while this is happening, you have to go through all the menu's to exit.
You should give LOTRO a try now that they've got F2P. You'll love the efficiency of what they done with the NPC sale interface. Basically, you "lock" the gear you want to keep and hit "sell all" to dump the rest.
As for me, I sort of enjoy the narrative in the "Classic RPG" approach. It's less efficient, true, but more compelling because it makes the NPCs seem like more than just a bin to toss my loot in.
Originally posted by sulthar
Originally posted by Psycho2k
Originally posted by thirdechelon
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I have the best hope for this game, i think it will do better on PS3 tho.
From the minute I loaded FF XIV up in closed beta I thought it felt like a badly ported console game, I had such high hopes for this game after enjoying XI, but my time in the beta's really has put me off buying it now.
Amen.
Funny to hear this coming from an ex-FFXI player. FFXIV is a little klugier in some ways, but it's actually got less consolitus in the interface than FFXI has. Consider it actually has a working hotbar, for example.
So you must be complaining mostly about the GUI lag. And I agree. However, there's some good news there: I don't think I'm imagining it's been getting a bit better towards the end of open beta, and the devs have mentioned that they're looking into improving the inventory lag and that hardware mouse is expected to be in by release.
A pity you burned out in closed beta and will have a hard time enjoying release. It's the unmentioned side-effect of them: I've had my attendance in a closed beta ruin my experience of the release game more than once.
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I remember my WoW server was down on day 2 and not back up until day 4 after launch. I also remember being stuck in a crouched position on loot lag for sometimes 30+ minutes. And it took them literally MONTHS to fix the damn copper nodes that stuck ya in that loot lag position forever. Or when you got to level 20 and could actually put on shoulder armor, how you had the choice of exactly 3 pieces, one cloth, one leather, and one mail...all uglier than sin too. And dont even get me started on the mail system or AH at the time, wow, seriously thats all you could say at launch was WOW.
Definately rose colored glasses.
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well nice for you, i hope square enix starts to give out xp for figuring out the UI. and once your past it you notice the lack of content. you partially agreed to my points and still say the UI is ok once you get past the fact that its actually shit ? why do you still hit the jump space bar then ?!? oh and the map sucks btw. oh and map navigation with the ijkl keys (hint/tooltip ?) oh and where the hell am i on that map ?
Woot, someone finally gets it.
Unless SE changes some of the very core mechanics of the game, this game is destined to mediocracy.
Someone doesn't like the game? Cool. I'm probably going to play it anyway. Have fun!
They shoulda kept the same UI as FFXI...that KB system was just fine...and worked just fine for the PS2 too.
I really think SE blew it with the changes they made to the UI...and if the UI stinks then the rest of the game is moot.
Hopefully the commercial version will allow us to make some badly needed hotkeys.
Did I? Really? I'm confused, where exactly did I say a lack of content anywhere in that? Dont think I did, nope I sure didnt. And yes I do still say the UI is fine, the map sucks yes, but the user interface is just fine - I never once called the UI shit, I do believe that was only you. Oh yeah look, another time your putting words in there, did I say anything about ijkl keys, nope, sure didnt. And for the space bar comment, every now and then I hit the jump because half the games I have played over the past 7 years have had jump on the space bar. I have yet to actually NEED to jump at all in the time I have been playing, only do it out of habit for fun. And finally we come to your last comment, which I think sums up your entire problem all in the last 10 words. Your lost, in game and out of game. You have no clue where you are or what your talking about. Your just spitting out trash for the sake of argument. I spent the time to take the questions posed in this thread and give honest, helpful responses to them. You didn't like that, nor did you like the fact that I didn't become all angry at you for your childish fanboi comment, so you came back with this comment continuing to try bait me. Well I'm sorry to disappoint you again, but nice try. Some day you will find your place in the world and give up on the old hatred thing, it doesn't suit you.
And for the record so your not confused again, UI is fine, Help system fine, movement fine, content fine, jump dont care, map needs work (you need to look for the gold arrow by the way
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Ok can we stop all this childish crap. I have not meet one person in game that does not think FFXIV is hard to get into. That the mouse for some odd reason is lagging but the game is not. Yes there is a problem with the mouse at the 1st start of everyones game. The UI is different and not very well done. EVERYONE has trouble at the start of this MMO finding where and who to go to. Oh and this "its beta" yes and know but in May, June.. you could cry "ITS BETA!". The gets released when? Yeah you think theres going to be some HUGE overhaul here? What you play here will be 95% what you will be playing when launched.
So it like all MMO's at launch needs alot of love. You will pay to wait or wait to pay. So far it is not worth $15 a month in any way.
Mass beta's are free trials. Are you so nieve?
The last company that "fixed issues" but dident include the changes in the beta is not doing so well now.
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People who think that mass beta's are free trials are so nieve. Free trials are free trials.
I think its a good idea, as the people who think its a free trial now and don't get a full understanding for the game, wont be there at launch spamming idiotic comments.
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Hey, its beta, do you think they wanted everyone to see how great their game really is? NOOOO, tlhey provided a game that runs poorly then got a patch to fix it and did not impliment it because they wanted to surprise all those who toughed it out in OB.
Im in the same boat as the OP. Ive really tried to like this game and get my mind wrapped around it, but its just to lacking. There is no sense of direction at all. The UI seems very clunky and hard to use. The combat system is almost non-existant.
The graphics are fantastic. I didnt have a lot of lag issues, though im playing on a monster rig.
Over the course of the last 10 years, the average MMO player has evolved into a much deeper player. Early on players were easily placated with minimal eye candy and shallow lore. Now it is significantly harder for designers to "WoW" its players. Blizzard has had so much success by "KiSS" Keep it simple stupid. They steer you through the lore and the quest hubs and then quests lead to groups.. and groups lead to raids.. and now.. raids lead to boredom.
We are all looking for that "First time" feeling in a new MMO and point blank, its never gonna happen. We either need to accept it and be happy with what we have or give up.
But as the OP said... FFXIV sucks.. no other way around it. '
Its destined to be mentioned in the same breath as WarHammer , Age of Conan and Aion.. Huge failures.
Just my opinion.
we can play this wow card, but by now wow is very old mmo, and having excuses " game was too popular for its own good its just plain ridiculous " ff have its issues, and those are huge, in any way you look, game wont sport more than 200k subs , and half probably will come from old ff game , so in reality it will be less , as loss in one and gain in another is not a profit
for its time wow was flawless release, you had bugged mining nodes, yes.. relog fixed, and even in that bugged possition you could do everything, it was annimation that was frozen, if i recall you couldnt mine again, not sure tho, but quick relog fixed that,
falling endlessly sure, annoying thing, but it was rare, something along the lines, once in a week, when we were playing 24/7 it felt like rare ,
do you think every mmo have as much server spots as boxes they release? no they dont, they have half of it mostly, by now every company have another half on standby just in case, but wow was first like that, queues, never were that long there were plenty of server to play and if you took most populated one, even if there was 50 emtpy servers , noone could fix your stupidity , i hate wow bashing in topics like this, it ran flawlessly apart few minor issues.
Miracle patch argument is just retarded , we had those for aoc, for war, and so on.. war was better before that patch, and that miracle patch killed the game, aoc patch did quite well actually(it came out week or two before release ), but it only fixed early game
both of those games are barely alive, ff will be there, in 100-200k sub range.. and you are deliusional if you think otherwise
Don't be delusional.
Open beta serves two purposes. 1, it helps the developer get a grasp on how their servers will run in a setting similar to launch. 2, it gives the general public a chance to experience the game. XIV open beta is a demo, not a trial. The only difference will be people need to pay for a trial.
People can keep sugar coating it as much as they want, but in the MMO genre, open beta = demo. Get over it.
I'm assuming that you really didn't play NA release of WoW.
Even though I enjoy WoW tremendously and played it on and off since its release and have Cataclysm pre-ordered, WoW release was a nightmare.
The server queues at least for Lothar (the server my guild chose to play in) was around 30 to 45 minutes for the first 2-4 weeks.
Getting stuck while looting where you couldn't do anything else because you were not only stuck in the kneeling animation but you were also waiting for the server to give you the items you looted. You couldn't do anything, the only way to fix it was to log out and log back in...which of course people dreaded doing that since we had the bloody queues to deal with.
I also assume you didn't enjoy the several days of server outages while Blizzard constantly tried to track down their Database/Server problems. Just by looking at my account I got several days of free game time from Blizz when WoW was first released.
Also the excuse of people taking the most populated server is idiotic, ALL servers when WoW was first released had Queues and were overpopulated.
Now, even despite all of WoWs problems at release, the game was A LOT of fun to play, it was quirky and charming. Even though people don't enjoy WoWs graphics, I find it Art direction wonderful. But like I said, lets not delude ourselfs in thinking WoW was perfect when it was released late 2004.
Regarding FF14, I find the game charming and it actually made me interested, so I pre-ordered the game. I know it has tons of problems and some of them are just downright annoying. For example, what's up with the chat system? If there's a way to create new tabs, I haven't found it yet. Having to use a patch or a program like Windower to play the game in a proper borderless Windowed, having also that same program to give me a hardware mouse and keep an eye out for the game client since it likes to set itself in Low Priority on my computer, making the game sluggish!? I'm hoping SE will fix these problems but for now I'll still be there on launch day.
geez your argument here is so off the chart, comparing an mmo with a car... lol First there is no mmo who was finish at the release and there will be none. Simply because an mmo is never finish.
Now if i understand your poor sentence, that mean there is thing in FFXIV that is not at the place where they should be. mind giving me an explanation? The game as some flaws yes but that all, but i saw nothing like your pathetic steering wheel theory....
The 2010 argument is too becoming old. Video game (any sort) will always has bug at release, the years has nothing to do with it.
So if i like the game that make me a fanatic?? geez ok so im a fanboy and what are you then?......
Cute retort. I'll take my release copy of FFXIV for a few laps around the block. I wonder if Allstate will cover it. If you want to scare people away from a game that hasn't even been released yet, go right ahead. I will do nothing to stop you after this reply, unless you want to keep stirring the pot. I have better things to do with my time. Still, I have no idea what you play. Perhaps you can recommend me something you play so I can see where you're coming from?
You just completely missed the point of his post.
The good stuff is there, in the game. But it was just implemented incorrectly. SE failed to follow through on a number of important issues really. You've heard them all before, so I won't list them again.
The game is a diamond in the rough. At launch, we're supposed to see that sparkle, and that's when the polishing starts. But in its current state? It's still six feet in the ground. Instead of digging with heavy machinery, SE is still using shovels and picks.
Odd that flawless WoW which even in europe had quite this item bugs still had bugs like that in 2009
Aside of that I not like the music it is sort of interresting.
Actually, and I know this is going to be hard to believe, saying beta here really means something, not...really needed in all caps but whatever. Unlike most of the western MMO developers, Square-Enix keeps most of their game close to their chest, so when they say here's open beta, what that means is genuinely, come stress test our servers and see if there's any massive bugs that we somehow missed (Glaringly bad UI??).
If this were..say a western developer the "open beta" would be more akin to, try our game for free for a week or so before we launch it so you'll go buy it.
People who are saying it's only x days away so this is what you're going to get are actually wrong, though normally, would it be any other game up to this point I'd wholeheartedly agree with them.
What you get out of the box will be a very different animal than what we see in beta. Well, the UI is going to still suck probably but as far as content goes, it'll be put in (beta manual even states that only a very small fraction of what is in the game is allowed to be played through in beta). We'll see reduced latency and better FPS once the debug code gets pushed out of the way, not to mention, it is SE; there could be entirely new classes, races, customization options etc etc that they're simply not going to tell us about because that's not the way they do it.
Yes it's mind blowingly frustrating that unlike every other MMO out there you can't just go to a few websites and learn all there is to know about any game at any given moment. This one..well there's so little information out there I can't even begin to try to sort through it all...but I am looking forward to learning it.
In conclusion, yup, the game is 10..well 9 days out now, this statement is true. However the fact that the open beta is being used entirely as a stress and UI test and not a game preview like other MMO's needs to be taken into account. Any review or opinion at this point is sort of like reviewing your opinion of a movie you've only seen the opening credits for.
I dont think i missed his point since in fact there where none exept sarcasm and trolling, with a pitiful example
Performance should be fine on your system. The issue with most people is that the game does not have hardware cursor support at this time and its software cursor is terribly optimized, leading to the input lag. The moment that there is hardware cursor support, you should find that it is perfectly responsive.
I'm with you on the combat, though. Very bizarre.
Well i built my PC, i know what i have inside of it. I dont think this game utilises SLi very well at all, so my quad SLi would be the equivilent of a single GT260 if so. I cant login right now to fraps the game performance a new error has popped up. Its playable for sure, but its not smooth.
I didnt "bitch" about repetitive combat at all, I just said the ratio of questing to grinding was a bit off. I would prefer leves to be repeatable is all I said.
About talking to NPCs; just because its classic RPG doesnt mean its acceptable.
->Take WoW for instance, click on a vendor -you have the Buy/Sell and inventory in the one interface - One click does everthing Right Click to buy/sell(ctrl+click for quantity). At any point you can instantly leave and walk away. Its not revolutionary.
->In 'Classic RPG' you click on a vendor - he tells you his life story - goes to a menu to pick sell/buy/exit - goes to list of items, click the item even if you only want 1 item it goes to another menu again to selct quantity - then back to the buy menu, press exit - then back to the sell/buy/exit menu - then exit. You are locked in while this is happening, you have to go through all the menu's to exit.
I have the best hope for this game, i think it will do better on PS3 tho.
From the minute I loaded FF XIV up in closed beta I thought it felt like a badly ported console game, I had such high hopes for this game after enjoying XI, but my time in the beta's really has put me off buying it now.
Amen.
That's always the rub with a SLI system, isn't it? The game either supports SLI well or it doesn't. Not much you can do about that but hope the developers decide the audience with SLI systems are numerous enough to invest the development time in.
I have to wonder, though - the "buffer" setting in the FFXIV config problem has a "double" setting that doesn't seem to do any good on a single video card system. If you set it "double," does it help?
They are, but it takes 48 hours for them to refresh. Actually, it should be less soon because the developers mentioned they were going to reduce that.
You should give LOTRO a try now that they've got F2P. You'll love the efficiency of what they done with the NPC sale interface. Basically, you "lock" the gear you want to keep and hit "sell all" to dump the rest.
As for me, I sort of enjoy the narrative in the "Classic RPG" approach. It's less efficient, true, but more compelling because it makes the NPCs seem like more than just a bin to toss my loot in.
Funny to hear this coming from an ex-FFXI player. FFXIV is a little klugier in some ways, but it's actually got less consolitus in the interface than FFXI has. Consider it actually has a working hotbar, for example.
So you must be complaining mostly about the GUI lag. And I agree. However, there's some good news there: I don't think I'm imagining it's been getting a bit better towards the end of open beta, and the devs have mentioned that they're looking into improving the inventory lag and that hardware mouse is expected to be in by release.
A pity you burned out in closed beta and will have a hard time enjoying release. It's the unmentioned side-effect of them: I've had my attendance in a closed beta ruin my experience of the release game more than once.