I didnt buy the game and never had a desire to buy the game, but I have kept up with the "drama" about it here on these forums.
To the OP your excuse of wait a few more months and a few patches and it will be so much better is a tired and old one.
It's always the same, its only in beta.... all games suck at launch.... 6 months go by.... patch 4 is coming out next week just wait till then it will fix everything.
In today's enviroment a AAA game should be nearly flawless at launch, sure there is gonna be a few minor bugs, but with the budget and timeframe that the big developers have there are no excuses.
Why would they spend Millions developing and testing it just to end up a poor game with no hope?
Because they don't know any better? Because they lost all their edge since the days of FF X? Because the development team is devoid of any talent or are completely misguided in the way they think how a good MMO should look and feel like? Because they are so arrogant that they think, they don't have to analyze what others are doing and are trying to "invent the wheel" all anew like it's 1995 again?
There are many reasons. Spending Millions alone doesn't make a game good. FF XIV looks like no one had fun developing it, it is a soulless, uninspired, unimaginative mess of game and the problems it has go way beyond simple engine-tweaks or chatchannels but are deeply rooted in the gamedesign, which is sorely misguided in many aspects and these are the things which don't get fixed, because for the devs it's "working as intended". Well, not for me.
I see people are getting seriously desperate because their sweet ponny of a game is going down...Don't come here anymore with lame excuses, we are customers and we do what we think is best to our interest with our money. This product, at it's state, it's very expensive and compared with a similar product you end up figuring that ain't worth it and it's just a rip-off. Anyway, who's the idiot to buy a new car with serious problems but passing over it by the fact that will be fixed over time? This is a business - you are doing things right or you desirve to hit the bottom of the pitt.
The game lets you pretty much be and do whatever you want, your not restricted to one class and 2 professions, you can be everything (if you level it all). Sure the game has some flaws like laggy menus, not enough mob spawns, no Auction house or Grand exchange system. But these things along with better optimization will come in time. I'd give it 1 or 2 months and the game will only get better.
It's not just some Console port, SE really wants it's fans and new players to have a awesome and fun experience in this game. Why would they spend Millions developing and testing it just to end up a poor game with no hope?
Give SE a chance, if you think about it, the game is not released yet, only for the collectors. In the next 2 - 3 major content patches, if nothings changed, I'd agree with the complainers and haters, but until then, stop crying guys.
People have been giving developers a 'chance' (paying full price for half baked crap) for some time now.
Were sick of it.
Agreed...the old tired spin of "it's beta" and "give it time" and such no longer works on me. Gamers really set their expectations too low. If you pay for something, it should be fun and very playable the first day...I guarantee if any of us was late a day in payment any game would stop access immediately.
The game plays like pretty much every other MMO, only at a slightly slower pace. You have the same button mashing skills, only some of them take a bit more button clicks to accomplish. Stamina loss while fighting made combat feel even slower in some fights
I see this comment in every new MMO forum come release and I wonder what people actually expect? It's akin to saying;
"The latest release by XXX blues band sounded just like blues music, same tempo, same style, same instruments...how boring"
genre springs to mind.... Complaining that you still press the mouse button to fire and awsd to move in an FPS game is a stupid comment to make hence we don't see that.
Eh, its not the system I don't like (I had no real issue with it) it's more the way other people presented it. Everyone talked about this indepth combat system and 'It plays totally different from other MMOs' when in fact it played the same, only slower and slightly more clicky.
But every positive review ive seen fans giving about the game talks about how 'different' the game plays, when in fact it plays the same as everything else. Slower pace =/= different, just slower.
Fair point, I meant to edit to say I wasn't picking on you. I just read your post there and that bit reminded me of the usual stuff you see when a new mmo hits.
It is safe to say that this game is not for everyone but it definitely is the type of game for me. I personally love the concept of this game and yes, I am a Final Fantasy fan, I have always loved their games. But FFXIV is doing something different and I'm really liking it so far.
It can't hurt to have something different out there for a change.
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Why would they spend Millions developing and testing it just to end up a poor game with no hope?
...the problems it has go way beyond simple engine-tweaks or chatchannels but are deeply rooted in the gamedesign, which is sorely misguided in many aspects and these are the things which don't get fixed, because for the devs it's "working as intended". Well, not for me.
I am one who is really enjoying FFXIV, but you hit the nail on the head here. Most of the people who are complaining about FFXIV just plain dont like the game design. I dont think that there is anything really "wrong" with the game, there are just people who dont like it, but I dont think that square enix decieved these people in any way.
People are complaining because the game is simply not fun to play. A game can have a list of features a mile long but if its not fun to play then people will are not going to play it. We dont need something new or different. We need something fun!
I'm curious as to whether the most vehement protesters of the game are soloing the levequests? I find them rather boring to solo, but I've been having a fantastic time doing them in a group.
I'm curious as to whether the most vehement protesters of the game are soloing the levequests? I find them rather boring to solo, but I've been having a fantastic time doing them in a group.
Because they spent $80 to gain early access to a game that isn't what they expected and they are upset that they can't get that money back.
Pretty simple, really.
And before you say "It's their fault for not reading up on the game!"
These days, companies are more willing to throw up lies and propaganda that could convince the Pope that the devil is the camera guy that films him getting on and off a plane.
Commercials, Ads, commentaires, interviews.. It's all designed to get you hyped for a game so your first response is to buy it rather than research it.
That's the new MMORPG player. Buy before you try.
~Miles "Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!
Come Join us at www.globalequestria.com - Meet other fans of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic!
If after MMO releases like AoC, WAR, Aion, CO, MO and APB MMO gamers still haven't learnt to manage their expectations and do some readups before buying to know what they're getting into, then yes, it is their own fault.
I knew the hypes, I still knew what I was getting, and where others were hugely disappointed I had a blast of a time in games others considered utter fail like AoC, Aion and CO, accepting the games for what they really offered, not what hype promised them to be.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
I don't think people are complaining about the fact that you can be whatever you want, i'm pretty sure everyone likes that aspect. Most complaints are about the UI, or the combat, which are both valid complaints.
I knew the hypes, I still knew what I was getting, and where others were hugely disappointed I had a blast of a time in games others considered utter fail like AoC, Aion and CO, accepting the games for what they really offered, not what hype promised them to be.
This. gamers play games for what they are, the otheres just play games for what they want them to be then complain about it.
They must enjoy complaining alot more than playing.
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling" Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
I honestly believe that there were more than enough resources to draw your own conclusion as to whether this game is for you or not. I mean, there was an open beta that showcased what the game would be like at launch. Anyone who gave two shits about the game got into the open beta. Hours after the open beta went live every single gaming forum in the world was plastered with "FFXIV IS BAD, DO NOT PLAY". There were dozens of new threads hourly as to why the game wasn't living up the expectations. If I gave a group of people who knew nothing about FFXIV a project to go research it and tell me whether or not I should play it come launch, 100% of the people in the group would've returned a negative answer.
The only people who purchased the game were either fans of the series or people desperate enough for something new that they would shell out 50-80$.
Pretty much boils down to people dismissing and discrediting naysayers by calling them trolls, and folks buying the game in spite of the fact that some people are trying to advise them against doing so. Those people pay their $75++ to SE because they're fans of the company, the series, or FFXI (or are just desperate for a fresh game and/or something different) and wind up feeling cheated because of just how bad it is - to them. It's not like everyone has $80 to plop down on a completely unreturnable, untradable thing just to give it a shot, so they try to make an informed decision and find out the hard way that their coin-flip landed on the wrong side.
Frankly, I just wonder if what's going on with FFXIV would be tolerated with a completely different IP other than Final Fantasy.
Also, don't get me wrong. I'm just a casual observer of the goings on here, and am patiently waiting to get into the game myself either via buddy key or my own copy once the dust settles. Still, what's gone on this week is pretty difficult to ignore. It's unfortunate that the whole thing has turned into this whole 'Troll vs. Fanboi' scenario that's all too familiar to poor releases these days (ie. CO, DF, APB, etc. etc.).
At any rate, I think the best advice anyone can give or take is to just hang on and wait for things to improve and the dust to settle before blowing cash you really don't need to waste. That goes 2X on the CE, especially seeing that only thing that really looks valuable (aside from a true collector) is the early start.
OH WAIT THEY HAD WEEKS OF OPEN ACCESS FREE BETA TO TRY IT AND DECIDE BEFORE DROPPIN $80? If ANYONE bought the CE and does not plan to play it for a week at the least then you DESERVE to lose that money. It was your fucking mistake for not doing research. You had plenty of time to get both first-hand and off-hand research done, so QQ.
Putting aside the unmitigated douchebaggery of your reply, you do realize that "open beta" wasn't truly open. I applied, never got accepted. I didin't buy the game, and I will not. This "community" is just another fine example of the rabid, frothing fanbois that drive people away from new games. Do you understand what a signal to noise ratio is? Between the trolls and fanbois, getting solid, reliable information is absolutely impossible. There is no way to do real comparison on merit until a neutral party provides a review. Look at this very thread, you have people admittedly defending yet another rushed piece of garbage. Seeing the replies of people like you who somehow think they're clever and internet tough guys because they can be jackasses behind the anonymity that the internet provides is what will keep me from this game.
what put me off from buying the game was pretty simple and i know as i played closed beta and it was the terrible keyboard, mouse support - it runs terrible on my pc all jerky and a awful experience.
i thought it may be my gpu/ spec - current spec is 260gtx, 6gb 1600 ram, 920 intel which should run ok
id almost given up with it, but then stuck my ps pad on and it run smooth as, but i wanna play a mmorpg on the pc with keyboard and mouse and not some sucky game pad and thats why i wont be buying it.
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The game lets you pretty much be and do whatever you want, your not restricted to one class and 2 professions, you can be everything (if you level it all). Sure the game has some flaws like laggy menus, not enough mob spawns, no Auction house or Grand exchange system. But these things along with better optimization will come in time. I'd give it 1 or 2 months and the game will only get better.
It's not just some Console port, SE really wants it's fans and new players to have a awesome and fun experience in this game. Why would they spend Millions developing and testing it just to end up a poor game with no hope?
Give SE a chance, if you think about it, the game is not released yet, only for the collectors. In the next 2 - 3 major content patches, if nothings changed, I'd agree with the complainers and haters, but until then, stop crying guys.
The best game mechanics in the world do not excuse sloppy programming or pushing a game out months earlier than it should have been. Game companies only have one chance to launch a game. They can try and “relaunch” it as many times as they want but it doesn’t matter because players and reviewers will always refer back to that first launch. First impressions matter.
“Give SE a chance”, For a paying customer that’s a odd thing to say and smacks more of a devoted fan then a rational paying customer. As a devoted fan I might be willing to pay for season tickets for my favorite sports team even if I know they will suck because I want to stand behind them. As a rational paying customer I might skip buying season tickets for a few years if I know the team is in the rough patch because it’s no fun to watch your team get beat week after week especially if you are paying a premium for the privilege.
At the end of the day I am disappointed with the launch of FFXIV and the state of the game right now. Maybe it will get fixed maybe it won’t but SE took a big hit in my eyes by releasing a obviously poor quality product on the market way earlier then they should have. The problems with FFXIV are basic best practices for development 101 so it’s not like any decent programmer couldn’t have seen these issues coming a mile away. SE made a deliberate decision to release this unfinished product on the market in a attempt to fund the continuing development of the game and the PS3 version. That’s wrong and shouldn’t be rewarded. It's not like SE doesn't have the resources to fund making this game work in house.
Pretty much boils down to people dismissing and discrediting naysayers by calling them trolls, and folks buying the game in spite of the fact that some people are trying to advise them against doing so. Those people pay their $75++ to SE because they're fans of the company, the series, or FFXI (or are just desperate for a fresh game and/or something different) and wind up feeling cheated because of just how bad it is - to them. It's not like everyone has $80 to plop down on a completely unreturnable, untradable thing just to give it a shot, so they try to make an informed decision and find out the hard way that their coin-flip landed on the wrong side.
Frankly, I just wonder if what's going on with FFXIV would be tolerated with a completely different IP other than Final Fantasy.
Also, don't get me wrong. I'm just a casual observer of the goings on here, and am patiently waiting to get into the game myself either via buddy key or my own copy once the dust settles. Still, what's gone on this week is pretty difficult to ignore. It's unfortunate that the whole thing has turned into this whole 'Troll vs. Fanboi' scenario that's all too familiar to poor releases these days (ie. CO, DF, APB, etc. etc.).
At any rate, I think the best advice anyone can give or take is to just hang on and wait for things to improve and the dust to settle before blowing cash you really don't need to waste. That goes 2X on the CE, especially seeing that only thing that really looks valuable (aside from a true collector) is the early start.
OH WAIT THEY HAD WEEKS OF OPEN ACCESS FREE BETA TO TRY IT AND DECIDE BEFORE DROPPIN $80? If ANYONE bought the CE and does not plan to play it for a week at the least then you DESERVE to lose that money. It was your fucking mistake for not doing research. You had plenty of time to get both first-hand and off-hand research done, so QQ.
Putting aside the unmitigated douchebaggery of your reply, you do realize that "open beta" wasn't truly open. I applied, never got accepted. I didin't buy the game, and I will not. This "community" is just another fine example of the rabid, frothing fanbois that drive people away from new games. Do you understand what a signal to noise ratio is? Between the trolls and fanbois, getting solid, reliable information is absolutely impossible. There is no way to do real comparison on merit until a neutral party provides a review. Look at this very thread, you have people admittedly defending yet another rushed piece of garbage. Seeing the replies of people like you who somehow think they're clever and internet tough guys because they can be jackasses behind the anonymity that the internet provides is what will keep me from this game.
I agree if your interested in the game try to get a buddy key and try it for yourself, these forums have spiraled way to far from anything useful when it comes to actual game information.
Yes I agree I paid $80 from gamestop, and they told me it was a preorder key which I would get in my email within 24 hours, and it was a lie. Now I have to wait till Monday to get my game to even try it and see if its even worth playing.
Yes I agree I paid $80 from gamestop, and they told me it was a preorder key which I would get in my email within 24 hours, and it was a lie. Now I have to wait till Monday to get my game to even try it and see if its even worth playing.
Game stop is Notorious for ripping people off when it comes to Shwag&pre orders keys (in game item codes,head start etc..). Thats why I do NOT order from them anymore.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Don't let it get to you. What freshly-released MMORPG forum isn't attracting a bunch of negative comments?
Until a few months from now when the new-release stink washes off the game, the majority of the posters here will be one of these camps:
Those who enjoy the game, most of whom will steer clear of the forum and enjoy playing it completely oblivious of the stink being raised, the remainder feeling largely chagrinned at all the ridiculous whining.
Those who were hoping to enjoy the game, but didn't, and hang around the forums complaining hoping that somebody important is listening in and will "fix" the game. (Hint: that never happens, even if there wasn't 1001 developmental reasons why not, this is particularly the case on a forum that is both not officially related to the game that is in a language the developers aren't very familiar with.)
Trolls who have no real interest in the game, but apparently revel in making one or both of the other camps miserable. Whether or not there's a special circle of Hell for such individuals, they're comfortable with that possibility.
And, of course, infinite degrees in between and outside of that. (E.g. myself, a fellow who enjoys the game, but also has a deeply ingrained forum habit.)
At the end of the day, I don't need to verify FFXIV's value. They've got a nice "Party" function in the game that lists the world population on my server. It's been over 2000 since the head start begun, and has only increased. The majority of players seem to be able to overcome the game's flaws. Like it or not, that means it's a keeper, and pointing out your problems with it on anywhere other than a Square-Enix feedback forum is a wholly academic pursuit.
Everyone calm down and dont worry... The complainers will only be on FF 14 until the next released MMO. Then they will move on to it complain about it. This is a vicious cycle that has been around for about the last 5-8 years. Complaining is an addiction just like MMO's are.
Everyone calm down and dont worry... The complainers will only be on FF 14 until the next released MMO. Then they will move on to it complain about it. This is a vicious cycle that has been around for about the last 5-8 years. Complaining is an addiction just like MMO's are.
Let's be honest, most of those games that the masses complained about in the past, did tank.
There is a measure of truth to the saying, "You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time."
Another good one would be, "Where there is smoke, there is fire."
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I didnt buy the game and never had a desire to buy the game, but I have kept up with the "drama" about it here on these forums.
To the OP your excuse of wait a few more months and a few patches and it will be so much better is a tired and old one.
It's always the same, its only in beta.... all games suck at launch.... 6 months go by.... patch 4 is coming out next week just wait till then it will fix everything.
In today's enviroment a AAA game should be nearly flawless at launch, sure there is gonna be a few minor bugs, but with the budget and timeframe that the big developers have there are no excuses.
Because they don't know any better? Because they lost all their edge since the days of FF X? Because the development team is devoid of any talent or are completely misguided in the way they think how a good MMO should look and feel like? Because they are so arrogant that they think, they don't have to analyze what others are doing and are trying to "invent the wheel" all anew like it's 1995 again?
There are many reasons. Spending Millions alone doesn't make a game good. FF XIV looks like no one had fun developing it, it is a soulless, uninspired, unimaginative mess of game and the problems it has go way beyond simple engine-tweaks or chatchannels but are deeply rooted in the gamedesign, which is sorely misguided in many aspects and these are the things which don't get fixed, because for the devs it's "working as intended". Well, not for me.
I see people are getting seriously desperate because their sweet ponny of a game is going down...Don't come here anymore with lame excuses, we are customers and we do what we think is best to our interest with our money. This product, at it's state, it's very expensive and compared with a similar product you end up figuring that ain't worth it and it's just a rip-off. Anyway, who's the idiot to buy a new car with serious problems but passing over it by the fact that will be fixed over time? This is a business - you are doing things right or you desirve to hit the bottom of the pitt.
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Fair point, I meant to edit to say I wasn't picking on you. I just read your post there and that bit reminded me of the usual stuff you see when a new mmo hits.
My point was more rhetorical than directed
It is safe to say that this game is not for everyone but it definitely is the type of game for me. I personally love the concept of this game and yes, I am a Final Fantasy fan, I have always loved their games. But FFXIV is doing something different and I'm really liking it so far.
It can't hurt to have something different out there for a change.
I am one who is really enjoying FFXIV, but you hit the nail on the head here. Most of the people who are complaining about FFXIV just plain dont like the game design. I dont think that there is anything really "wrong" with the game, there are just people who dont like it, but I dont think that square enix decieved these people in any way.
People are complaining because the game is simply not fun to play. A game can have a list of features a mile long but if its not fun to play then people will are not going to play it. We dont need something new or different. We need something fun!
I'm curious as to whether the most vehement protesters of the game are soloing the levequests? I find them rather boring to solo, but I've been having a fantastic time doing them in a group.
Because they spent $80 to gain early access to a game that isn't what they expected and they are upset that they can't get that money back.
Pretty simple, really.
And before you say "It's their fault for not reading up on the game!"
These days, companies are more willing to throw up lies and propaganda that could convince the Pope that the devil is the camera guy that films him getting on and off a plane.
Commercials, Ads, commentaires, interviews.. It's all designed to get you hyped for a game so your first response is to buy it rather than research it.
That's the new MMORPG player. Buy before you try.
~Miles "Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!
Come Join us at www.globalequestria.com - Meet other fans of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic!
If after MMO releases like AoC, WAR, Aion, CO, MO and APB MMO gamers still haven't learnt to manage their expectations and do some readups before buying to know what they're getting into, then yes, it is their own fault.
I knew the hypes, I still knew what I was getting, and where others were hugely disappointed I had a blast of a time in games others considered utter fail like AoC, Aion and CO, accepting the games for what they really offered, not what hype promised them to be.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
I don't think people are complaining about the fact that you can be whatever you want, i'm pretty sure everyone likes that aspect. Most complaints are about the UI, or the combat, which are both valid complaints.
This. gamers play games for what they are, the otheres just play games for what they want them to be then complain about it.
They must enjoy complaining alot more than playing.
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling"
Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
I honestly believe that there were more than enough resources to draw your own conclusion as to whether this game is for you or not. I mean, there was an open beta that showcased what the game would be like at launch. Anyone who gave two shits about the game got into the open beta. Hours after the open beta went live every single gaming forum in the world was plastered with "FFXIV IS BAD, DO NOT PLAY". There were dozens of new threads hourly as to why the game wasn't living up the expectations. If I gave a group of people who knew nothing about FFXIV a project to go research it and tell me whether or not I should play it come launch, 100% of the people in the group would've returned a negative answer.
The only people who purchased the game were either fans of the series or people desperate enough for something new that they would shell out 50-80$.
Putting aside the unmitigated douchebaggery of your reply, you do realize that "open beta" wasn't truly open. I applied, never got accepted. I didin't buy the game, and I will not. This "community" is just another fine example of the rabid, frothing fanbois that drive people away from new games. Do you understand what a signal to noise ratio is? Between the trolls and fanbois, getting solid, reliable information is absolutely impossible. There is no way to do real comparison on merit until a neutral party provides a review. Look at this very thread, you have people admittedly defending yet another rushed piece of garbage. Seeing the replies of people like you who somehow think they're clever and internet tough guys because they can be jackasses behind the anonymity that the internet provides is what will keep me from this game.
what put me off from buying the game was pretty simple and i know as i played closed beta and it was the terrible keyboard, mouse support - it runs terrible on my pc all jerky and a awful experience.
i thought it may be my gpu/ spec - current spec is 260gtx, 6gb 1600 ram, 920 intel which should run ok
id almost given up with it, but then stuck my ps pad on and it run smooth as, but i wanna play a mmorpg on the pc with keyboard and mouse and not some sucky game pad and thats why i wont be buying it.
Playing: FFXIV
Future: wishing for SWG 2, World of Warcraft Classic
Played: Most current and extinct MMO's - 18 Years in....
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The best game mechanics in the world do not excuse sloppy programming or pushing a game out months earlier than it should have been. Game companies only have one chance to launch a game. They can try and “relaunch” it as many times as they want but it doesn’t matter because players and reviewers will always refer back to that first launch. First impressions matter.
“Give SE a chance”, For a paying customer that’s a odd thing to say and smacks more of a devoted fan then a rational paying customer. As a devoted fan I might be willing to pay for season tickets for my favorite sports team even if I know they will suck because I want to stand behind them. As a rational paying customer I might skip buying season tickets for a few years if I know the team is in the rough patch because it’s no fun to watch your team get beat week after week especially if you are paying a premium for the privilege.
At the end of the day I am disappointed with the launch of FFXIV and the state of the game right now. Maybe it will get fixed maybe it won’t but SE took a big hit in my eyes by releasing a obviously poor quality product on the market way earlier then they should have. The problems with FFXIV are basic best practices for development 101 so it’s not like any decent programmer couldn’t have seen these issues coming a mile away. SE made a deliberate decision to release this unfinished product on the market in a attempt to fund the continuing development of the game and the PS3 version. That’s wrong and shouldn’t be rewarded. It's not like SE doesn't have the resources to fund making this game work in house.
I agree if your interested in the game try to get a buddy key and try it for yourself, these forums have spiraled way to far from anything useful when it comes to actual game information.
Yes I agree I paid $80 from gamestop, and they told me it was a preorder key which I would get in my email within 24 hours, and it was a lie. Now I have to wait till Monday to get my game to even try it and see if its even worth playing.
Game stop is Notorious for ripping people off when it comes to Shwag&pre orders keys (in game item codes,head start etc..). Thats why I do NOT order from them anymore.
Same here, after some annoying troubles with Gamestop I don't use them anymore for my game orders.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Don't let it get to you. What freshly-released MMORPG forum isn't attracting a bunch of negative comments?
Until a few months from now when the new-release stink washes off the game, the majority of the posters here will be one of these camps:
Those who enjoy the game, most of whom will steer clear of the forum and enjoy playing it completely oblivious of the stink being raised, the remainder feeling largely chagrinned at all the ridiculous whining.
Those who were hoping to enjoy the game, but didn't, and hang around the forums complaining hoping that somebody important is listening in and will "fix" the game. (Hint: that never happens, even if there wasn't 1001 developmental reasons why not, this is particularly the case on a forum that is both not officially related to the game that is in a language the developers aren't very familiar with.)
Trolls who have no real interest in the game, but apparently revel in making one or both of the other camps miserable. Whether or not there's a special circle of Hell for such individuals, they're comfortable with that possibility.
And, of course, infinite degrees in between and outside of that. (E.g. myself, a fellow who enjoys the game, but also has a deeply ingrained forum habit.)
At the end of the day, I don't need to verify FFXIV's value. They've got a nice "Party" function in the game that lists the world population on my server. It's been over 2000 since the head start begun, and has only increased. The majority of players seem to be able to overcome the game's flaws. Like it or not, that means it's a keeper, and pointing out your problems with it on anywhere other than a Square-Enix feedback forum is a wholly academic pursuit.
Everyone calm down and dont worry... The complainers will only be on FF 14 until the next released MMO. Then they will move on to it complain about it. This is a vicious cycle that has been around for about the last 5-8 years. Complaining is an addiction just like MMO's are.
Let's be honest, most of those games that the masses complained about in the past, did tank.
There is a measure of truth to the saying, "You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time."
Another good one would be, "Where there is smoke, there is fire."
How about "A stitch in time ... saves nine."
Apparently, SE did not heed to any of the above.