Simply becuase as gaming nuts. Most of us know what games are coming out and know what we want to play. Most of the public doesnt have a clue and when they hear that there is a new SW game they will be drawn to that. Hearing about a game called GW2 just doesnt have the same appeal to someone who is not in the know.
Also BW/EA have much laarger pockets and as the game gets closer is sure the advertising bucks will start to come out.
My personal prefferance. Well i like both games for different reason. WIll play both and will have to make up my mind after some good ole play time.
This is the 45th post in this thread and I don't feel like reading the others. But, I don't see SW:TOR being accepted very well and GW2 (as far as I know?) is going to be on the same payment model as GW1.
SW:TOR is going to fallow the footsteps of WAR & LOTRO. Bye Bioware. You had a good run. It's too bad you're not going to be around much longer. But hey, you probably should have sunk $150mil into something that was at least semi original.
Hmm.... TOR will be a good game. The story will be the best story out of any MMO known to date. It will be a quality MMO. ( yes but when you start feeling the same mechanics you have been playing for the past 6 years you will tire of it trust me, They havent changed enough to stand a chans. NOBODY WANTS ANTHER ONE OF THESE GAMES, LOTRO, AOC and WAR are quality mmos these days.. BUT WHY DOSENT PEOPLE WANT TO PLAY THEM?? its because they are all the same only the grafics set them apart... its like playing the same F...k game over and over... and As soon as people sit down and play TOR for a few hours they will know all the mechanics and feel like they dont it all before... its Nigthy night trust me....)
GW2 should be a good game aswell. I'm Suprised at how these forums we have people that will lie to themselves and the MMO community just to make one game look better than the other.
I think they are both gonna be big hits for 2011, there is no need to trash one game here just because you are a fan of another.
Which one will be more successfull? I can't call it, at this point. I kind of lean toward gw2 because for starters you don't need a sub, it has very nice graphics, and some innovation going on in gameplay mechanics. Other than that I think TOR will do very well.
You keep mentioning WAR, but GW2 has more in common with WAR than TOR does....
WAR does not focus heavily on story. It also has those PQ, while they are not exactly like gw2 live dynamic event system they are closest thing to them.
I will be getting both gw2 and TOR...
TOR for the story, and hopefully they have some good pvp. Than gw2 I want to check out the dynamic event system and some other things in that game.
Believe it or not some people actually like the idea of a good story with VO in their game. It makes the leveling process seem more enjoyable, than just grind to the top gameplay that we have seen in other games.
levels feel outdated my friend its time we had something ells. Tanking and spanking feels like CRAP. And Quest feel silly, WHY do I want them I want to make my Own story...If I want a story driven game I go play a solo game on the Xbox or playstation 3 they are way better then anny MMO will ever make them.
WE need NEW ideas not the same shit put back in the bag and repackaged to look like something new. TOR has FAIL written all over it if you know your MMO history you should understand WHY!
This is the 45th post in this thread and I don't feel like reading the others. But, I don't see SW:TOR being accepted very well and GW2 (as far as I know?) is going to be on the same payment model as GW1.
SW:TOR is going to fallow the footsteps of WAR & LOTRO. Bye Bioware. You had a good run. It's too bad you're not going to be around much longer. But hey, you probably should have sunk $150mil into something that was at least semi original.
Hmm.... TOR will be a good game. The story will be the best story out of any MMO known to date. It will be a quality MMO. ( yes but when you start feeling the same mechanics you have been playing for the past 6 years you will tire of it trust me, They havent changed enough to stand a chans. NOBODY WANTS ANTHER ONE OF THESE GAMES, LOTRO, AOC and WAR are quality mmos these days.. BUT WHY DOSENT PEOPLE WANT TO PLAY THEM?? its because they are all the same only the grafics set them apart... its like playing the same F...k game over and over... and As soon as people sit down and play TOR for a few hours they will know all the mechanics and feel like they dont it all before... its Nigthy night trust me....)
GW2 should be a good game aswell. I'm Suprised at how these forums we have people that will lie to themselves and the MMO community just to make one game look better than the other.
I think they are both gonna be big hits for 2011, there is no need to trash one game here just because you are a fan of another.
Which one will be more successfull? I can't call it, at this point. I kind of lean toward gw2 because for starters you don't need a sub, it has very nice graphics, and some innovation going on in gameplay mechanics. Other than that I think TOR will do very well.
You keep mentioning WAR, but GW2 has more in common with WAR than TOR does....
WAR does not focus heavily on story. It also has those PQ, while they are not exactly like gw2 live dynamic event system they are closest thing to them.
I will be getting both gw2 and TOR...
TOR for the story, and hopefully they have some good pvp. Than gw2 I want to check out the dynamic event system and some other things in that game.
Believe it or not some people actually like the idea of a good story with VO in their game. It makes the leveling process seem more enjoyable, than just grind to the top gameplay that we have seen in other games.
levels feel outdated my friend its time we had something ells. Tanking and spanking feels like CRAP. And Quest feel silly, WHY do I want them I want to make my Own story...If I want a story driven game I go play a solo game on the Xbox or playstation 3 they are way better then anny MMO will ever make them.
WE need NEW ideas not the same shit put back in the bag and repackaged to look like something new. TOR has FAIL written all over it if you know your MMO history you should understand WHY!
I do know my MMO history and I know exactly why TOR will not fail....
Anyways, I thought there were levels in both games?
One game does not have to fail for another to succeed. I don't understand why people cannot admit that both gw2 and tor look like very promising games.
This is the 45th post in this thread and I don't feel like reading the others. But, I don't see SW:TOR being accepted very well and GW2 (as far as I know?) is going to be on the same payment model as GW1.
SW:TOR is going to fallow the footsteps of WAR & LOTRO. Bye Bioware. You had a good run. It's too bad you're not going to be around much longer. But hey, you probably should have sunk $150mil into something that was at least semi original.
Hmm.... TOR will be a good game. The story will be the best story out of any MMO known to date. It will be a quality MMO. ( yes but when you start feeling the same mechanics you have been playing for the past 6 years you will tire of it trust me, They havent changed enough to stand a chans. NOBODY WANTS ANTHER ONE OF THESE GAMES, LOTRO, AOC and WAR are quality mmos these days.. BUT WHY DOSENT PEOPLE WANT TO PLAY THEM?? its because they are all the same only the grafics set them apart... its like playing the same F...k game over and over... and As soon as people sit down and play TOR for a few hours they will know all the mechanics and feel like they dont it all before... its Nigthy night trust me....)
GW2 should be a good game aswell. I'm Suprised at how these forums we have people that will lie to themselves and the MMO community just to make one game look better than the other.
I think they are both gonna be big hits for 2011, there is no need to trash one game here just because you are a fan of another.
Which one will be more successfull? I can't call it, at this point. I kind of lean toward gw2 because for starters you don't need a sub, it has very nice graphics, and some innovation going on in gameplay mechanics. Other than that I think TOR will do very well.
You keep mentioning WAR, but GW2 has more in common with WAR than TOR does....
WAR does not focus heavily on story. It also has those PQ, while they are not exactly like gw2 live dynamic event system they are closest thing to them.
I will be getting both gw2 and TOR...
TOR for the story, and hopefully they have some good pvp. Than gw2 I want to check out the dynamic event system and some other things in that game.
Believe it or not some people actually like the idea of a good story with VO in their game. It makes the leveling process seem more enjoyable, than just grind to the top gameplay that we have seen in other games.
levels feel outdated my friend its time we had something ells. Tanking and spanking feels like CRAP. And Quest feel silly, WHY do I want them I want to make my Own story...If I want a story driven game I go play a solo game on the Xbox or playstation 3 they are way better then anny MMO will ever make them.
WE need NEW ideas not the same shit put back in the bag and repackaged to look like something new. TOR has FAIL written all over it if you know your MMO history you should understand WHY!
I do know my MMO history and I know exactly why TOR will not fail....
Anyways, I thought there were levels in both games?
One game does not have to fail for another to succeed. I don't understand why people cannot admit that both gw2 and tor look like very promising games.
I think both will do well, i voted in favor of TOR though simply because it's more well known to the "general" populace. Therefore more people will know it. As for retention i can't really say. Both have something to keep people there.
Sun: Both can succeed easily and i don't see either failing. Like i stated above, both will have something to keep people there.
Zlayer: I'd don't generally like to "trust" people i don't know and your coming across as a really strong GW2 follower, with all the anti TOR, first off both have levels, both have quest, and neither really has tank and spank, if you have forgotten there is evading in that game on the enemies part and you'll have to do that as well.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
I do know my MMO history and I know exactly why TOR will not fail....
Anyways, I thought there were levels in both games?
One game does not have to fail for another to succeed. I don't understand why people cannot admit that both gw2 and tor look like very promising games.
Ho you missunderstood me, im not suporting GW2 i will never play that game, will it have a chans to be a success yes I think so, but I personaly will never play it because im sick of the types of games that both GW2 and Tor are.
The reason im saying TOR will tank though compared to GW2 is that GW2 is a free to play one time fee game. So people who buy it can play as long as they want. It has a nich in the MMO market and the success of GW1 has given it many loyal fans. They will get what they are paying for.
TOR on the other hand is trying to launch itself like the next big MMO, bla bla bla we have invented the new wheel! STORY. And when you look at what they actually have you soon discover that ITS NOT ANY DIFFRENT! its falls marketing and that is often the begining before the FALL! If TOR had been honest with the comunity and said. HEY we made this game that works like you are used to. It has all the same things that you have come to know for the past 10 years and we have dont little to no Innovation. You will Tank and spank, Tank and spank some more and run in our mouse wheel for gear untill we release our next exapnsion and then you have to run some more.... People would not be complaining....
GW2=are uppfront with what they are doing
TOR=tries sneaky marketing like AOC and WAR before them to get huge subs at the start that then plumet to the ground as people understand that they have been fooled AGAIN!!!......
I am looking forward to both of these games. They are each different enough to appeal to me as a gamer.
I saw a comment about TOR getting old fast becuase it will basically use the same mechanics that MMOs have for years (paraphrasing there). I don't know about that. They are doing a couple of things that might be game changing with full voice acting and side characters as well as a massive story line. If it plays more like a hybrid between MMO standards and a typical Bioware single player RPG it will be fun and be a big hit.
GW2 looks to be solid in its own right, expanding on the public quest system in WAR (as is RIFT as well) to make it more dynamic and interesting, the map zoom in and out and the world vision are all great.
I think both will do fine, especially if they keep the PC hardware requirements reasonable. This is an area that TOR might do better in. It does not appear to be nearly as graphically intense as GW2.
I do know my MMO history and I know exactly why TOR will not fail....
Anyways, I thought there were levels in both games?
One game does not have to fail for another to succeed. I don't understand why people cannot admit that both gw2 and tor look like very promising games.
Ho you missunderstood me, im not suporting GW2 i will never play that game, will it have a chans to be a success yes I think so, but I personaly will never play it because im sick of the types of games that both GW2 and Tor are.
The reason im saying TOR will tank though compared to GW2 is that GW2 is a free to play one time fee game. So people who buy it can play as long as they want. It has a nich in the MMO market and the success of GW1 has given it many loyal fans. They will get what they are paying for.
TOR on the other hand is trying to launch itself like the next big MMO, bla bla bla we have invented the new wheel! STORY. And when you look at what they actually have you soon discover that ITS NOT ANY DIFFRENT! its falls marketing and that is often the begining before the FALL! If TOR had been honset with the comunity and said. HEY we made this game that works like you are used to it has all the same things that you have come to know for the past 10 years and we have dont little to no Innovation. You will Tank and spank, Tank and spank some more and run in our mous wheel for gear untill we release our next exapnsion and then you have to run some more.... People would not be complaining....
GW2=are uppfront with what they are doing
TOR=tries sneaky marketing like AOC and WAR before them to get huge subs at the start that then plumet to the ground as people understand that they have been fooled AGAIN!!!......
They have pretty much said that and they keep referring to their story. They said this game will be a game that a player is familiar with and can easily get into. Not like they haven't been honest. Everyone knows TOR selling points are story and star wars.
I do know my MMO history and I know exactly why TOR will not fail....
Anyways, I thought there were levels in both games?
One game does not have to fail for another to succeed. I don't understand why people cannot admit that both gw2 and tor look like very promising games.
Ho you missunderstood me, im not suporting GW2 i will never play that game, will it have a chans to be a success yes I think so, but I personaly will never play it because im sick of the types of games that both GW2 and Tor are.
The reason im saying TOR will tank though compared to GW2 is that GW2 is a free to play one time fee game. So people who buy it can play as long as they want. It has a nich in the MMO market and the success of GW1 has given it many loyal fans. They will get what they are paying for.
TOR on the other hand is trying to launch itself like the next big MMO, bla bla bla we have invented the new wheel! STORY. And when you look at what they actually have you soon discover that ITS NOT ANY DIFFRENT! its falls marketing and that is often the begining before the FALL! If TOR had been honset with the comunity and said. HEY we made this game that works like you are used to it has all the same things that you have come to know for the past 10 years and we have dont little to no Innovation. You will Tank and spank, Tank and spank some more and run in our mous wheel for gear untill we release our next exapnsion and then you have to run some more.... People would not be complaining....
GW2=are uppfront with what they are doing
TOR=tries sneaky marketing like AOC and WAR before them to get huge subs at the start that then plumet to the ground as people understand that they have been fooled AGAIN!!!......
They have pretty much said that and they keep referring to their story. They said this game will be a game that a player is familiar with and can easily get into. Not like they haven't been honest. Everyone knows TOR selling points are story and star wars.
And when this new STORY über wheel falls of at the first tun? what do you think will happend then Sungodra?
Might be that I have been around the block to many times but I see not light at the tunnel for this one its a straight spiral into Despair and darkness.... They arent good enough and BIOWARE cant use any of its more mature story Elements because George Lucas wont allow it. If it was the Lucas arts of the 70s and 80s when they actually had a vison we would have been able to see a superior game. BUT the three last StarWars movies all SUCKED DONKEY BALLS. And Bioware have gag on them not to make to mature content in the story. THEY SAID SO THEMSELFS..... Evrything is stacked against them Sungodra.... Im sorry but I see no NEW HOPE!
TOR is based on a well known ip that will be more casual gamer friendly, if you don't know what Guild Wars is or play mmorpg's already then you might not even hear about this game let alone buy it. TOR also has going for it that it isn't the sword and scorcery type of ip as well.
With all that said though I'm as impressed by the development of GW2 as I am with TOR and I have a hope that players of both games will be satisfied once they are both released.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
ArenaNet is doing stuff with this game that simply has never been done before, and I think a lot of people are going to check it out because of that. They will stay because of the high quality content.
SWTOR will have huge initial numbers, which I think will drop off substantially since I don't think there's enough meat on those bones to sustain it for the long haul. Also, it's a major IP, which will attract many Star Wars afficionados, but some of the design decisions will also drive others, like myself, away. As a huge Star Wars fan from way back, as well as a Bioware fan, I just have no interest in this game.
So in short, SWTOR will eclipse GW2 with respect to their releases, but that will be reversed within three months. This is my best guess.
Also GW1 had 20 levels so you call that game play, GW1 wasnt really even a MMO, more of a RPG...
Only reason people played it was because it was a one time fee nothing more, I though GW1 was ahorrid game..
GW2 will be nothing more than GW1 .
So making a comment saying a game will be all story atleast SWTOR WILL have one, GW will have no story and be a lame game.... period just like GW1, thsi forum is full of people who will not pay for games, because most rely on daddys CC, or do not have one so they play for games that cost little to nothing ..
And you call people making statements about SWTOR ignorant for not having all the facts. Since all we can do is speculate at this point since so little is known of SWTOR, there's at least a reason. With the mountain of information pertaining to GW2 that's available, there's really no excuse for not knowing anything about it before making such asinine statements as these. Even the facts you cite are clouded in bias since they have no contextual link with reality. At least you looked up the fact the GW1 had a level 20 cap. A shame you have no idea why.
Both sides are misinformed if they say that SWTOR is only story, or that GW2 has nothing more to offer than GW.
For people interested in one or both of these MMO's, there is a wealth of information at hand.
For financial success, ANet and GW2 are actually dependent on those initial sales, since it's sub-free.
From what I've read and discerned so far, I think both MMO's will surpass all other former MMO's when these launched when it comes to amount and variety in content, with SW:TOR having an edge on GW2 on the amount of content, and GW2 having an edge on SW:TOR in the different, new feel in its featured content.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
I think both will do pretty well. Especially right out of the gate. GW2, if its following in the footsteps of the previous game, won't have a sub fee so I suspect that it will sell well especially for those of us that like to have a few games that we are currently playing to stave off burnout
TOR will do gangbusters out of the gate; I suspect a LOT of BioWare fans will be jumping into the mmo space for the first time because it is BioWare, not to mention Star Wars. As to how well it will do 3 months or longer out, well, thats up to BioWare.
thats a good question. i think TOR will do better cause it's Star Wars. But GW2 is gonna be a solid MMO. I almost think that GW2 will be the better game with its dynamic events. but, idk. we'll see. I think they are, ultimately, going to be two very different MMOs.
The average person probably has never heard of "guild wars". But the average person has heard of "Star Wars". Once SWToR is finished and the marketing machine starts rolling, it will capture the imaginations of every "non-gamer" that is interested in playing a game.
Financially successful? SWToR hands down.
I'm going to have to go with Sovrath on this one, simply because the IP is sooooooo well known. People who are not already gamers, have never heard of Guild Wars or ArenaNet, so SWToR has a better chance at attracting both part of the present gaming crowd and....other people that are simply SW fans, but not necessarily gamers...YET.
Myself....I'll be playing GW2 because I'm not a SW fan, particularly, and because space games just don't appeal to me much. That whole environment just leaves me cold, whether it's on a planet our in space itself...it just has no attraction for me. But think of how many many many Star Wars fans there are in the world.....
I have no idea why but the very name makes me go meh. It will probably be a pretty good game but I think TOR will be in a different class. The name Bioware alone will make sure that the game outsells GW2.
I look on youtube regularly and search SWTOR by upload date (to see if I can find leaked content) and the amount of videos that are in all different kinds of languages pertaining to TOR is unreal, it's being marketed very well. Also the SWTOR site has coming up to nearly 1 million users.
Isn't it funny how a quick search for testicular cancer can turn into a wank.
Okay. As it stands, we're told TOR has a $100+ million budget. If by "successful" you're talking about profit generated, then GW2 is honestly more likely to overtake TOR, at least at first. EA will need lots of sales and long-term subscribers in order to make back what they've spent on TOR.
TOR might beat GW in terms of sales or revenue (not profit) generated due to its sub, but GW2 will start making a profit much sooner. Also, Star Wars nerds and MMO gamers will be attracted to TOR, not people who have no clue what MMOs are about. The marketing power of Star Wars will not sell targeted combat to the CoD crowd. Period.
Also, we can't compare them in terms of success because of the pricing. GW2's lack of sub will make it much more popular than TOR at retail, but TOR has the potential to make more money due to its sub. TOR has to be judged against Rift, WoW, WAR, etc, and GW2 should be judged against retail games and RPGs.
Both schemes have their pitfalls; the sub encourages devs to become fat and lazy without adding content as players are effectively buying a new game every four months. The only situation I've seen in which devs provide free content included in the sub is EVE: its expansions feel like retail expansions, but they're included with the subscription. Ironic that CCP's game is based around screwing people over, and yet they seem to have the best sub deal. Sub-less MMOs have to rely on expansions to keep generating money, which sort of prostitutes the devs to the demands of their players if they want to keep turning out a profit.
"Smacking kids doesn't hurt them, kinetic energy does!"- Doctor Tobia
For some reason, even if Star Wars is an extremly well known brand, I dont see the gameplay of Star Wars the Old Republic appeal so much for the general public ( just my opinion) .
I have to say that Guild Wars will be more successfull because there is so subscription, gorgeous graphics and true innovations. Only time will tell
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I would have to say ToR.
Simply becuase as gaming nuts. Most of us know what games are coming out and know what we want to play. Most of the public doesnt have a clue and when they hear that there is a new SW game they will be drawn to that. Hearing about a game called GW2 just doesnt have the same appeal to someone who is not in the know.
Also BW/EA have much laarger pockets and as the game gets closer is sure the advertising bucks will start to come out.
My personal prefferance. Well i like both games for different reason. WIll play both and will have to make up my mind after some good ole play time.
levels feel outdated my friend its time we had something ells. Tanking and spanking feels like CRAP. And Quest feel silly, WHY do I want them I want to make my Own story...If I want a story driven game I go play a solo game on the Xbox or playstation 3 they are way better then anny MMO will ever make them.
WE need NEW ideas not the same shit put back in the bag and repackaged to look like something new. TOR has FAIL written all over it if you know your MMO history you should understand WHY!
I do know my MMO history and I know exactly why TOR will not fail....
Anyways, I thought there were levels in both games?
One game does not have to fail for another to succeed. I don't understand why people cannot admit that both gw2 and tor look like very promising games.
"When it comes to GW2 any game is fair game"
Which game will be more successful? SWTOR, hands down.
Which game will be the better game overall? GW2, hands down.
I think both will do well, i voted in favor of TOR though simply because it's more well known to the "general" populace. Therefore more people will know it. As for retention i can't really say. Both have something to keep people there.
Sun: Both can succeed easily and i don't see either failing. Like i stated above, both will have something to keep people there.
Zlayer: I'd don't generally like to "trust" people i don't know and your coming across as a really strong GW2 follower, with all the anti TOR, first off both have levels, both have quest, and neither really has tank and spank, if you have forgotten there is evading in that game on the enemies part and you'll have to do that as well.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
Ho you missunderstood me, im not suporting GW2 i will never play that game, will it have a chans to be a success yes I think so, but I personaly will never play it because im sick of the types of games that both GW2 and Tor are.
The reason im saying TOR will tank though compared to GW2 is that GW2 is a free to play one time fee game. So people who buy it can play as long as they want. It has a nich in the MMO market and the success of GW1 has given it many loyal fans. They will get what they are paying for.
TOR on the other hand is trying to launch itself like the next big MMO, bla bla bla we have invented the new wheel! STORY. And when you look at what they actually have you soon discover that ITS NOT ANY DIFFRENT! its falls marketing and that is often the begining before the FALL! If TOR had been honest with the comunity and said. HEY we made this game that works like you are used to. It has all the same things that you have come to know for the past 10 years and we have dont little to no Innovation. You will Tank and spank, Tank and spank some more and run in our mouse wheel for gear untill we release our next exapnsion and then you have to run some more.... People would not be complaining....
GW2=are uppfront with what they are doing
TOR=tries sneaky marketing like AOC and WAR before them to get huge subs at the start that then plumet to the ground as people understand that they have been fooled AGAIN!!!......
I am looking forward to both of these games. They are each different enough to appeal to me as a gamer.
I saw a comment about TOR getting old fast becuase it will basically use the same mechanics that MMOs have for years (paraphrasing there). I don't know about that. They are doing a couple of things that might be game changing with full voice acting and side characters as well as a massive story line. If it plays more like a hybrid between MMO standards and a typical Bioware single player RPG it will be fun and be a big hit.
GW2 looks to be solid in its own right, expanding on the public quest system in WAR (as is RIFT as well) to make it more dynamic and interesting, the map zoom in and out and the world vision are all great.
I think both will do fine, especially if they keep the PC hardware requirements reasonable. This is an area that TOR might do better in. It does not appear to be nearly as graphically intense as GW2.
They have pretty much said that and they keep referring to their story. They said this game will be a game that a player is familiar with and can easily get into. Not like they haven't been honest. Everyone knows TOR selling points are story and star wars.
"When it comes to GW2 any game is fair game"
And when this new STORY über wheel falls of at the first tun? what do you think will happend then Sungodra?
Might be that I have been around the block to many times but I see not light at the tunnel for this one its a straight spiral into Despair and darkness.... They arent good enough and BIOWARE cant use any of its more mature story Elements because George Lucas wont allow it. If it was the Lucas arts of the 70s and 80s when they actually had a vison we would have been able to see a superior game. BUT the three last StarWars movies all SUCKED DONKEY BALLS. And Bioware have gag on them not to make to mature content in the story. THEY SAID SO THEMSELFS..... Evrything is stacked against them Sungodra.... Im sorry but I see no NEW HOPE!
TOR is based on a well known ip that will be more casual gamer friendly, if you don't know what Guild Wars is or play mmorpg's already then you might not even hear about this game let alone buy it. TOR also has going for it that it isn't the sword and scorcery type of ip as well.
With all that said though I'm as impressed by the development of GW2 as I am with TOR and I have a hope that players of both games will be satisfied once they are both released.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
Guild Wars 2.
ArenaNet is doing stuff with this game that simply has never been done before, and I think a lot of people are going to check it out because of that. They will stay because of the high quality content.
SWTOR will have huge initial numbers, which I think will drop off substantially since I don't think there's enough meat on those bones to sustain it for the long haul. Also, it's a major IP, which will attract many Star Wars afficionados, but some of the design decisions will also drive others, like myself, away. As a huge Star Wars fan from way back, as well as a Bioware fan, I just have no interest in this game.
So in short, SWTOR will eclipse GW2 with respect to their releases, but that will be reversed within three months. This is my best guess.
And you call people making statements about SWTOR ignorant for not having all the facts. Since all we can do is speculate at this point since so little is known of SWTOR, there's at least a reason. With the mountain of information pertaining to GW2 that's available, there's really no excuse for not knowing anything about it before making such asinine statements as these. Even the facts you cite are clouded in bias since they have no contextual link with reality. At least you looked up the fact the GW1 had a level 20 cap. A shame you have no idea why.
Pot calling the kettle black, I would say.
Both sides are misinformed if they say that SWTOR is only story, or that GW2 has nothing more to offer than GW.
For people interested in one or both of these MMO's, there is a wealth of information at hand.
For financial success, ANet and GW2 are actually dependent on those initial sales, since it's sub-free.
From what I've read and discerned so far, I think both MMO's will surpass all other former MMO's when these launched when it comes to amount and variety in content, with SW:TOR having an edge on GW2 on the amount of content, and GW2 having an edge on SW:TOR in the different, new feel in its featured content.
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The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
I think both will do pretty well. Especially right out of the gate. GW2, if its following in the footsteps of the previous game, won't have a sub fee so I suspect that it will sell well especially for those of us that like to have a few games that we are currently playing to stave off burnout
TOR will do gangbusters out of the gate; I suspect a LOT of BioWare fans will be jumping into the mmo space for the first time because it is BioWare, not to mention Star Wars. As to how well it will do 3 months or longer out, well, thats up to BioWare.
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thats a good question. i think TOR will do better cause it's Star Wars. But GW2 is gonna be a solid MMO. I almost think that GW2 will be the better game with its dynamic events. but, idk. we'll see. I think they are, ultimately, going to be two very different MMOs.
How many of these threads do we really need?
I'm going to have to go with Sovrath on this one, simply because the IP is sooooooo well known. People who are not already gamers, have never heard of Guild Wars or ArenaNet, so SWToR has a better chance at attracting both part of the present gaming crowd and....other people that are simply SW fans, but not necessarily gamers...YET.
Myself....I'll be playing GW2 because I'm not a SW fan, particularly, and because space games just don't appeal to me much. That whole environment just leaves me cold, whether it's on a planet our in space itself...it just has no attraction for me. But think of how many many many Star Wars fans there are in the world.....
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Speculation?
Hmmm....between now and the release of both of those games....I'm going to guess approximately 78.
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No idea, and dont care.
I might buy GW2 someday, and might try SW:TOR, but I'm not holding my breath on either really.
My ideal MMORPG definitely has darkelves.
I think Rift heros fo telara going to kick bot ther asses
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I have absolutely no interest in GW2.
I have no idea why but the very name makes me go meh. It will probably be a pretty good game but I think TOR will be in a different class. The name Bioware alone will make sure that the game outsells GW2.
I look on youtube regularly and search SWTOR by upload date (to see if I can find leaked content) and the amount of videos that are in all different kinds of languages pertaining to TOR is unreal, it's being marketed very well. Also the SWTOR site has coming up to nearly 1 million users.
Isn't it funny how a quick search for testicular cancer can turn into a wank.
Neither if you're expecting the next WoW killer.
Okay. As it stands, we're told TOR has a $100+ million budget. If by "successful" you're talking about profit generated, then GW2 is honestly more likely to overtake TOR, at least at first. EA will need lots of sales and long-term subscribers in order to make back what they've spent on TOR.
TOR might beat GW in terms of sales or revenue (not profit) generated due to its sub, but GW2 will start making a profit much sooner. Also, Star Wars nerds and MMO gamers will be attracted to TOR, not people who have no clue what MMOs are about. The marketing power of Star Wars will not sell targeted combat to the CoD crowd. Period.
Also, we can't compare them in terms of success because of the pricing. GW2's lack of sub will make it much more popular than TOR at retail, but TOR has the potential to make more money due to its sub. TOR has to be judged against Rift, WoW, WAR, etc, and GW2 should be judged against retail games and RPGs.
Both schemes have their pitfalls; the sub encourages devs to become fat and lazy without adding content as players are effectively buying a new game every four months. The only situation I've seen in which devs provide free content included in the sub is EVE: its expansions feel like retail expansions, but they're included with the subscription. Ironic that CCP's game is based around screwing people over, and yet they seem to have the best sub deal. Sub-less MMOs have to rely on expansions to keep generating money, which sort of prostitutes the devs to the demands of their players if they want to keep turning out a profit.
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Agreed.
If it's not broken, you are not innovating.
For some reason, even if Star Wars is an extremly well known brand, I dont see the gameplay of Star Wars the Old Republic appeal so much for the general public ( just my opinion) .
I have to say that Guild Wars will be more successfull because there is so subscription, gorgeous graphics and true innovations. Only time will tell