Imagine an MMO where you actually have to EARN your equipment! All my prayers have been answered. I hate these WoW cloned so called new games where everything is practically handed to you with little to no effort whatsoever. Maybe there is hope for the future of MMORPG's after all. Nice to see game companies do still exist that dares to do things different.
how much are they paying you?
you fanboyed every topic down the list this evening.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, and this becasue obviously anyone who disagrees with you and likes the game is a paid shill right? I mean we're dealing with absolutes here, of course, so since he doesn't agree with you...he's wrong. Or worse, a plant
You know what makes me laugh? Honestly? Every review I read or hear that bashes the game, including Gamespot's and now Gametrailers, sounds like whiny spoiled childishness. They're written or spoken in proper English, sure enough, but more than anything else they're *still* griping about how it doesn't have all the convenient niceties of all the post-WoW MMOs.
"It takes forever to run somewhere" really means "My quests and grinding aren't all in one spot, and I can't teleport or fly everywhere".
"The questing system is a mess" really means "You have to actually search for NPCs instead of having them pointed out to you with gigantic glowing I HAVE A MEANINGLESS QUEST FOR YOU icons over their heads".
Ya know what...I'm gonna stop there. There are millions of people for whom World of Warcraft was the first exposure to MMOs (and millions more who have played it after playing other MMOs as well). Well I'm going to speak my freaking mind here and call down the flames:
That game has single-handedly ruined the MMO genre by creating millions of first-time MMO players who are used to simplified, spoon-fed, hand-holding, quick-fix, no-challenge, no-skill, no-consequence, easy reward gameplay. And you know what? SOME OF US DON'T LIKE THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Some of us DON'T LIKE being able to farm all the best gear easily from paper tiger mobs.
Some of us DON'T LIKE getting to max level in two or three months.
Some of us DON'T LIKE going from camp A to zone B to dungeon C in 60 seconds via some "mystical gateway" or flying mega-chicken.
Some of us DON'T LIKE taking a rock and an apple core and clicking "combine" to get a glowing, flame-licked, 15-foot polearm out of it.
Some of us like things to be hard, tough to figure out, convoluted and messy. That way, we get the satisfaction of figuring it out or doing it for ourselves.
So honestly- and I'll never ever say anything this damned crude again, and I won't respond to this post, and I'll probavly get banned which will make everyone realy happy -but honestly, F**K all you impatient and lazy brats. For a whole host of reasons, this game isn't for you. Piss off, seriously. Take the locust swarm onto the next game, please, and leave those of us who like this one to enjoy it in peace
Jesus...
you post made me laugh I'm sorry.
Us whiny child brats or whatever you called us all seem to have well thought out reasons and explain them in rather civilized manners.
You however.....lets just say you took the low path.
and I realize you said you'd never post that wqay again, but still. as far as how wow has no skill involved, you ever stop and think "maybe its easy for me cause I played it so much."?
Find yourself a 63 year old, get them to start playing wow, someone with no previous gaming experience, and realize real quick what you call easy is relative. most of the people i see calling wow easy are the people who already played it for years, and done all the raids 20+ times each, I would hope it would be easy by then, if not your kinda...well people who are medically "intellectually challanged" tend to be able to admit something is easier after the 8th time doing it so....yeah. mr Wow_refugee, I doubt you fall in that group of people do you?
I let my 3 year old child play WoW..... I'm not jokeing..... So I think it might be possible to gradually advance through WoW just by face rolling the keyboard.
I let my dog do a fight in FF14 for me, whats your point? Are you really telling me FF is more challenging then WoW? I'm not a WoW fanboi, in fact i've bashed it on more then one occassion on these forums but really pass me what you're smoking. It isn't any harder then WoW, it is just more tedious. For instance, combat is so so so slow and boring in FF14 that literally I could put my dogs face on the keyboard and roll his bulldog skull around and kill marmot number 205. In WoW, the combat may be just as easy as FF but it's incredibly more fast paced (Wtf did I just say WoW's combat was fast? Compared to FF it is..) FF takes alot less skill to fight in then WoW. You are just being a stubborn SE fanboi at this point and defending the game cuz you like it, which is fine, but don't go suffering from delusions of grandeur. You're 3 yr old would have a better chance of getting max lvl in "X" class in FF14 then to beat Heroic LK.
I'm pretty sure if you tried to kill an even match Dodo by face rolling you would be killed every time. I also used to work for the latter company we are talking about here. Sorry to burst your bubble but that game is easy mode. I'm not saying it's bad I'm just saying what it is. I also fail to see how it's not fast paced combat. I play as a PUG when fighting mobs and lay a beat down on them. Don't think I'm ever just standing there waiting for a cool down.
Truly, killing a mighty DODO is the epitome of skill. Much harder than anything in WoW, including 25 man Heroic ICC. To slay this beastly bird requires the reflexes of a tiger and the dexterity of a master pianist.
We all bow down to the hardcore FFXIV players who have graced the world by dazzling us with their skill in beating dodos. Or doing anything else in this game. After all, if you have to navigate an abysmal UI, deal with ridiculous amounts of UI and crafting lag, and spend 6 hours running around the market ward spamming to sell items, how could that [i]not[/i] be hardcore? Only a mightily skilled player can do such a thing.
Or, wait. Skill is not required at all here, even less so than WoW, where to get 2300+ on Arena or to raid hardmode Ulduar/ICC you had to be somewhat on top of things.
I'm all for games being more challenging, I'll admit wow is very easy, been playing it a while so yeah, its also easy to pick up on, cause thats how you get people to keep playing it, you make it easy to get into. FF14 just doesn't seem to do that, the evidence is EVERYWHERE that its not, and I'm just tired of people who like the game saying that its something that it's not. Say what it is, say its a game that has a slew of problems, but you still like it, say that you like the combat because of....whatever it is you like about it. IF you like crafting say why, if you like it because you actually have to work for stuff.....you need a job, in my opinion, I play a game to be given entertainment, and i Find entertainment in my MMO's to be character advancement, and since I pay for the game, and not the other way around, I don't want to have to work for anything, just want to play for it.
I got real off topic in that I think, what i want to say is please don't be like the game companies, we hear from them all the time how their game is perfect and the new awesome experience, we hear enough smoke from them. If you like the game thats fine, its your money, you can do with it what you want, but don't be blind to what something is. I'm not blind that wow is easy (to me) and that gear is very easy to get (for someone who is good at the game) and that there isn't much challenge left in it for vet players, but I still like it. You are perfectly allowed to like a game that is tedious (to some people) and filled with inconviences (to some people), but don't try to tell me that the only reason I don't like your game is because I like my game, I already know that (and in this case, it is not the only reason), a DO NOT try to tell me I'm wrong for liking my game either, that just tells me that you have no real reason for liking your game other than hating mine.
No matter reasons pro or contra for both or for any game for that matter, easy, not easy, big exclamation point over head or nothing .... for the fact is, wow is incredibly FUN .... 14 simply IS NOT. And at 50 I'm hardly newcomer to gaming. But is not that makes wow 14 ugly or not fun ... virtually ANY mmo out there, original EQ, EQ2 .... War, Aoc, ... they all make 14 look bad.
And if somebody love kind of music only maybe 1000 persons on the world enjoy and for them all the rest is trash ... well .. maybe is problem with that 1000 persons.
Imagine an MMO where you actually have to EARN your equipment! All my prayers have been answered. I hate these WoW cloned so called new games where everything is practically handed to you with little to no effort whatsoever. Maybe there is hope for the future of MMORPG's after all. Nice to see game companies do still exist that dares to do things different.
how much are they paying you?
you fanboyed every topic down the list this evening.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, and this becasue obviously anyone who disagrees with you and likes the game is a paid shill right? I mean we're dealing with absolutes here, of course, so since he doesn't agree with you...he's wrong. Or worse, a plant
You know what makes me laugh? Honestly? Every review I read or hear that bashes the game, including Gamespot's and now Gametrailers, sounds like whiny spoiled childishness. They're written or spoken in proper English, sure enough, but more than anything else they're *still* griping about how it doesn't have all the convenient niceties of all the post-WoW MMOs.
"It takes forever to run somewhere" really means "My quests and grinding aren't all in one spot, and I can't teleport or fly everywhere".
"The questing system is a mess" really means "You have to actually search for NPCs instead of having them pointed out to you with gigantic glowing I HAVE A MEANINGLESS QUEST FOR YOU icons over their heads".
Ya know what...I'm gonna stop there. There are millions of people for whom World of Warcraft was the first exposure to MMOs (and millions more who have played it after playing other MMOs as well). Well I'm going to speak my freaking mind here and call down the flames:
That game has single-handedly ruined the MMO genre by creating millions of first-time MMO players who are used to simplified, spoon-fed, hand-holding, quick-fix, no-challenge, no-skill, no-consequence, easy reward gameplay. And you know what? SOME OF US DON'T LIKE THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Some of us DON'T LIKE being able to farm all the best gear easily from paper tiger mobs.
Some of us DON'T LIKE getting to max level in two or three months.
Some of us DON'T LIKE going from camp A to zone B to dungeon C in 60 seconds via some "mystical gateway" or flying mega-chicken.
Some of us DON'T LIKE taking a rock and an apple core and clicking "combine" to get a glowing, flame-licked, 15-foot polearm out of it.
Some of us like things to be hard, tough to figure out, convoluted and messy. That way, we get the satisfaction of figuring it out or doing it for ourselves.
So honestly- and I'll never ever say anything this damned crude again, and I won't respond to this post, and I'll probavly get banned which will make everyone realy happy -but honestly, F**K all you impatient and lazy brats. For a whole host of reasons, this game isn't for you. Piss off, seriously. Take the locust swarm onto the next game, please, and leave those of us who like this one to enjoy it in peace
Jesus...
you post made me laugh I'm sorry.
Us whiny child brats or whatever you called us all seem to have well thought out reasons and explain them in rather civilized manners.
You however.....lets just say you took the low path.
and I realize you said you'd never post that wqay again, but still. as far as how wow has no skill involved, you ever stop and think "maybe its easy for me cause I played it so much."?
Find yourself a 63 year old, get them to start playing wow, someone with no previous gaming experience, and realize real quick what you call easy is relative. most of the people i see calling wow easy are the people who already played it for years, and done all the raids 20+ times each, I would hope it would be easy by then, if not your kinda...well people who are medically "intellectually challanged" tend to be able to admit something is easier after the 8th time doing it so....yeah. mr Wow_refugee, I doubt you fall in that group of people do you?
I let my 3 year old child play WoW..... I'm not jokeing..... So I think it might be possible to gradually advance through WoW just by face rolling the keyboard.
I let my dog do a fight in FF14 for me, whats your point? Are you really telling me FF is more challenging then WoW? I'm not a WoW fanboi, in fact i've bashed it on more then one occassion on these forums but really pass me what you're smoking. It isn't any harder then WoW, it is just more tedious. For instance, combat is so so so slow and boring in FF14 that literally I could put my dogs face on the keyboard and roll his bulldog skull around and kill marmot number 205. In WoW, the combat may be just as easy as FF but it's incredibly more fast paced (Wtf did I just say WoW's combat was fast? Compared to FF it is..) FF takes alot less skill to fight in then WoW. You are just being a stubborn SE fanboi at this point and defending the game cuz you like it, which is fine, but don't go suffering from delusions of grandeur. You're 3 yr old would have a better chance of getting max lvl in "X" class in FF14 then to beat Heroic LK.
I'm pretty sure if you tried to kill an even match Dodo by face rolling you would be killed every time. I also used to work for the latter company we are talking about here. Sorry to burst your bubble but that game is easy mode. I'm not saying it's bad I'm just saying what it is. I also fail to see how it's not fast paced combat. I play as a PUG when fighting mobs and lay a beat down on them. Don't think I'm ever just standing there waiting for a cool down.
Truly, killing a mighty DODO is the epitome of skill. Much harder than anything in WoW, including 25 man Heroic ICC. To slay this beastly bird requires the reflexes of a tiger and the dexterity of a master pianist.
We all bow down to the hardcore FFXIV players who have graced the world by dazzling us with their skill in beating dodos. Or doing anything else in this game. After all, if you have to navigate an abysmal UI, deal with ridiculous amounts of UI and crafting lag, and spend 6 hours running around the market ward spamming to sell items, how could that [i]not[/i] be hardcore? Only a mightily skilled player can do such a thing.
Or, wait. Skill is not required at all here, even less so than WoW, where to get 2300+ on Arena or to raid hardmode Ulduar/ICC you had to be somewhat on top of things.
I think we already came to an agreement that killing trash is equally easy in both games just as the more complicated rAIDS will likely be just as difficult in both games. We've also agreed that the market needs some work. Catch up.
I'm pretty sure if you tried to kill an even match Dodo by face rolling you would be killed every time. I also used to work for the latter company we are talking about here. Sorry to burst your bubble but that game is easy mode. I'm not saying it's bad I'm just saying what it is. I also fail to see how it's not fast paced combat. I play as a PUG when fighting mobs and lay a beat down on them. Don't think I'm ever just standing there waiting for a cool down.
Truly, killing a mighty DODO is the epitome of skill. Much harder than anything in WoW, including 25 man Heroic ICC. To slay this beastly bird requires the reflexes of a tiger and the dexterity of a master pianist.
We all bow down to the hardcore FFXIV players who have graced the world by dazzling us with their skill in beating dodos. Or doing anything else in this game. After all, if you have to navigate an abysmal UI, deal with ridiculous amounts of UI and crafting lag, and spend 6 hours running around the market ward spamming to sell items, how could that [i]not[/i] be hardcore? Only a mightily skilled player can do such a thing.
Or, wait. Skill is not required at all here, even less so than WoW, where to get 2300+ on Arena or to raid hardmode Ulduar/ICC you had to be somewhat on top of things.
He, he, ... best post so far in this thread. Loved it.
Imagine an MMO where you actually have to EARN your equipment! All my prayers have been answered. I hate these WoW cloned so called new games where everything is practically handed to you with little to no effort whatsoever. Maybe there is hope for the future of MMORPG's after all. Nice to see game companies do still exist that dares to do things different.
how much are they paying you?
you fanboyed every topic down the list this evening.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, and this becasue obviously anyone who disagrees with you and likes the game is a paid shill right? I mean we're dealing with absolutes here, of course, so since he doesn't agree with you...he's wrong. Or worse, a plant
You know what makes me laugh? Honestly? Every review I read or hear that bashes the game, including Gamespot's and now Gametrailers, sounds like whiny spoiled childishness. They're written or spoken in proper English, sure enough, but more than anything else they're *still* griping about how it doesn't have all the convenient niceties of all the post-WoW MMOs.
"It takes forever to run somewhere" really means "My quests and grinding aren't all in one spot, and I can't teleport or fly everywhere".
"The questing system is a mess" really means "You have to actually search for NPCs instead of having them pointed out to you with gigantic glowing I HAVE A MEANINGLESS QUEST FOR YOU icons over their heads".
Ya know what...I'm gonna stop there. There are millions of people for whom World of Warcraft was the first exposure to MMOs (and millions more who have played it after playing other MMOs as well). Well I'm going to speak my freaking mind here and call down the flames:
That game has single-handedly ruined the MMO genre by creating millions of first-time MMO players who are used to simplified, spoon-fed, hand-holding, quick-fix, no-challenge, no-skill, no-consequence, easy reward gameplay. And you know what? SOME OF US DON'T LIKE THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Some of us DON'T LIKE being able to farm all the best gear easily from paper tiger mobs.
Some of us DON'T LIKE getting to max level in two or three months.
Some of us DON'T LIKE going from camp A to zone B to dungeon C in 60 seconds via some "mystical gateway" or flying mega-chicken.
Some of us DON'T LIKE taking a rock and an apple core and clicking "combine" to get a glowing, flame-licked, 15-foot polearm out of it.
Some of us like things to be hard, tough to figure out, convoluted and messy. That way, we get the satisfaction of figuring it out or doing it for ourselves.
So honestly- and I'll never ever say anything this damned crude again, and I won't respond to this post, and I'll probavly get banned which will make everyone realy happy -but honestly, F**K all you impatient and lazy brats. For a whole host of reasons, this game isn't for you. Piss off, seriously. Take the locust swarm onto the next game, please, and leave those of us who like this one to enjoy it in peace
Jesus...
you post made me laugh I'm sorry.
Us whiny child brats or whatever you called us all seem to have well thought out reasons and explain them in rather civilized manners.
You however.....lets just say you took the low path.
and I realize you said you'd never post that wqay again, but still. as far as how wow has no skill involved, you ever stop and think "maybe its easy for me cause I played it so much."?
Find yourself a 63 year old, get them to start playing wow, someone with no previous gaming experience, and realize real quick what you call easy is relative. most of the people i see calling wow easy are the people who already played it for years, and done all the raids 20+ times each, I would hope it would be easy by then, if not your kinda...well people who are medically "intellectually challanged" tend to be able to admit something is easier after the 8th time doing it so....yeah. mr Wow_refugee, I doubt you fall in that group of people do you?
I let my 3 year old child play WoW..... I'm not jokeing..... So I think it might be possible to gradually advance through WoW just by face rolling the keyboard.
I let my dog do a fight in FF14 for me, whats your point? Are you really telling me FF is more challenging then WoW? I'm not a WoW fanboi, in fact i've bashed it on more then one occassion on these forums but really pass me what you're smoking. It isn't any harder then WoW, it is just more tedious. For instance, combat is so so so slow and boring in FF14 that literally I could put my dogs face on the keyboard and roll his bulldog skull around and kill marmot number 205. In WoW, the combat may be just as easy as FF but it's incredibly more fast paced (Wtf did I just say WoW's combat was fast? Compared to FF it is..) FF takes alot less skill to fight in then WoW. You are just being a stubborn SE fanboi at this point and defending the game cuz you like it, which is fine, but don't go suffering from delusions of grandeur. You're 3 yr old would have a better chance of getting max lvl in "X" class in FF14 then to beat Heroic LK.
I'm pretty sure if you tried to kill an even match Dodo by face rolling you would be killed every time. I also used to work for the latter company we are talking about here. Sorry to burst your bubble but that game is easy mode. I'm not saying it's bad I'm just saying what it is. I also fail to see how it's not fast paced combat. I play as a PUG when fighting mobs and lay a beat down on them. Don't think I'm ever just standing there waiting for a cool down.
Truly, killing a mighty DODO is the epitome of skill. Much harder than anything in WoW, including 25 man Heroic ICC. To slay this beastly bird requires the reflexes of a tiger and the dexterity of a master pianist.
We all bow down to the hardcore FFXIV players who have graced the world by dazzling us with their skill in beating dodos. Or doing anything else in this game. After all, if you have to navigate an abysmal UI, deal with ridiculous amounts of UI and crafting lag, and spend 6 hours running around the market ward spamming to sell items, how could that [i]not[/i] be hardcore? Only a mightily skilled player can do such a thing.
Or, wait. Skill is not required at all here, even less so than WoW, where to get 2300+ on Arena or to raid hardmode Ulduar/ICC you had to be somewhat on top of things.
WoW have challenge in wow classic and tbc and ulduar, all wotlk is a joke game, doesn't mater your skill only matter the crappy gears score
you cant compare ffxiv with wow, reason wow have 6 years old, ffxiv is 0, but you can compare ffxi with wow, ffxi have more challenge endgame that wow, wow is for baby
I'm not sure if there's really 3 pages worth of debate here. I see nothing all that objectionable about the original poster canceling. He doesn't have the time to pay MMORPGs, and FFXIV's oldschool sensibilities surely take up quite a bit of time.
WoW have challenge in wow classic and tbc and ulduar, all wotlk is a joke game, doesn't mater your skill only matter the crappy gears score
you cant compare ffxiv with wow, reason wow have 6 years old, ffxiv is 0, but you can compare ffxi with wow, ffxi have more challenge endgame that wow, wow is for baby
I'm not sure if there's really 3 pages worth of debate here. I see nothing all that objectionable about the original poster canceling. He doesn't have the time to pay MMORPGs, and FFXIV's oldschool sensibilities surely take up quite a bit of time.
Though to be accurate, he didn't cancel because he doesn't have the time to play. He cancelled because he didn't find the game exciting. In his words, the game didn't capture his attention and keep him interested
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Truly, killing a mighty DODO is the epitome of skill. Much harder than anything in WoW, including 25 man Heroic ICC. To slay this beastly bird requires the reflexes of a tiger and the dexterity of a master pianist.
We all bow down to the hardcore FFXIV players who have graced the world by dazzling us with their skill in beating dodos. Or doing anything else in this game. After all, if you have to navigate an abysmal UI, deal with ridiculous amounts of UI and crafting lag, and spend 6 hours running around the market ward spamming to sell items, how could that [i]not[/i] be hardcore? Only a mightily skilled player can do such a thing.
Or, wait. Skill is not required at all here, even less so than WoW, where to get 2300+ on Arena or to raid hardmode Ulduar/ICC you had to be somewhat on top of things.
No matter reasons pro or contra for both or for any game for that matter, easy, not easy, big exclamation point over head or nothing .... for the fact is, wow is incredibly FUN .... 14 simply IS NOT. And at 50 I'm hardly newcomer to gaming. But is not that makes wow 14 ugly or not fun ... virtually ANY mmo out there, original EQ, EQ2 .... War, Aoc, ... they all make 14 look bad.
And if somebody love kind of music only maybe 1000 persons on the world enjoy and for them all the rest is trash ... well .. maybe is problem with that 1000 persons.
I think we already came to an agreement that killing trash is equally easy in both games just as the more complicated rAIDS will likely be just as difficult in both games. We've also agreed that the market needs some work. Catch up.
My theme song.
He, he, ... best post so far in this thread. Loved it.
WoW have challenge in wow classic and tbc and ulduar, all wotlk is a joke game, doesn't mater your skill only matter the crappy gears score
you cant compare ffxiv with wow, reason wow have 6 years old, ffxiv is 0, but you can compare ffxi with wow, ffxi have more challenge endgame that wow, wow is for baby
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
I'm not sure if there's really 3 pages worth of debate here. I see nothing all that objectionable about the original poster canceling. He doesn't have the time to pay MMORPGs, and FFXIV's oldschool sensibilities surely take up quite a bit of time.
Don't kid yourself. Real men don't play games.
Though to be accurate, he didn't cancel because he doesn't have the time to play. He cancelled because he didn't find the game exciting. In his words, the game didn't capture his attention and keep him interested
Not that this makes it objectionable tho...