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Enlighten me - GW2 vs WoW
Leongti
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Ok, I've been reading a lot about GW2 after only just discovering that it was due for release (and yes I've been in a hole for the last few months!), all is looking good in the world of GW2 and I can see that there are definitely some new ideas that they are bringing to and addressing within the whole MMO experience.
I have no doubt that I will be playing GW2 without any hesitation but until it is released I have my cousin breathing down my neck telling me to get on WoW. Now I have played WoW before, admittedly not for massive stint but definitely enough to understand where it is coming from.
Problem I have is that after reading about GW2 I know that WoW didn't have the same structure when I played it (over a year ago at least) I've told my cousin some of what GW2 has and he sort of rolls over and says "oh WoW has that, plus server vs server action".
So to my question, has WoW made some steps in the right direction and should I give it a go until GW2 or can you lot explain what GW2 has over WoW so that I can break is hold over it so that he can join me on GW2 -when its released of course!
He's in his 20's as well so I need substance not kiddy wow factors if you know what I mean.
Thanks
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I'm very much anticipating Guild Wars 2 just like you are, and I will probably buy it and spend countless hours on it, but right now World of Warcraft is probably the best choice for a guy like you. I just quit WoW three months back after playing for four and a half years. I simply played the same game too long, but man--those were the best years of my gaming career. I may go back when Cataclysm comes out.
WoW just has it all right now and it's end-game content is top notch. Raids have been so refined and fine tuned, and offer different modes of difficulty. You can raid in large groups, or smaller ten mans now (10 or 25). You will not find a more polished MMO game engine anywhere. Blizz is fine tuning the mechanics of classes, mobs, bosses, and PvP play almost every patch.
I just started playin a F2P game called Perfect World International and it made me realize how badass Blizzard is at keeping their game playing like a fkn game should play. PWI is ridiculously flawed with glitches and sht happening all over the damn place. Rubberbanding--what the fck is that sh1t (where you attempt to walk and your character keeps getting yanked back to the same spot due to an awful game engine glitch)? You will almost never see a glitch so terrible in WoW. It has them, as all games do, but I can't think of any that reduce the fun you have while playing, a la PWI's rubber banding bullsh1t.
To conclude this post, as a longtime player of WoW, I recommend it to you and anyone else that wants to play a solid MMORPG while waiting for Guild Wars 2. Hopefully GW2 delivers and we can all join up there
. I want to play it so badly!!!!
1) dynamic events
2) Anti-ks system
3) RPG part in the game
4) Personality for your character that can change depending on how you act in the game. Npc's will change how they react to you accordingly.
5) crossover attacks. (shoot trough fire, and you will get fire arrows)
6) Buy to play model
7) Awsome dying system...XD
(ok, the last one might not be a that's why i buy it factor but can't deny it's awsome! =3) anyway, here are the reasons why i am going to buy GW2. Goodluck convincing your friend.
It's kinda cruel to kill the innocent monsters standing in the fields picking daisies. -GW2-
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1) the game attempts to break away from the conventional Tank/DPS/Healer gameplay. Idk how this will turn out though. It may turn out that over time, players may discover meta-builds that are super-efficient at one of these roles. If that happens, i think a huge majority would be looking out for these builds and dismissive of others when grouping for quests/dungeons. ANet has promised that their design doesn't allow for that to happen though. If they deliver, then i believe we're gonna see some very different and refreshing gameplay
2) Also, combat is positional, isn't locked-on and dice-roll rng based. You have to face the right direction to use a shield effectively. Projectiles follow your direction of aim and can be dodged by step-stepping; they do not reach their target automatically. There are no evasion or hit/miss values which randomly decide if your attacks hit or miss their target. (I'm not too sure about this last example, but i believe it's definitely not what you experience in wow. Like how your character visually appears to strike your opponent, but then a miss/dodge pops up above their heads)
I don't understand your question. Has WoW made any steps in the right direction? In what sense?
If you are asking whether you should play WoW before GW2 comes out, I would say go for it. WoW is a great experience and I loved it to bits the first time I played it. And tbh, GW2 is not out yet and it's at least 6 months away from release, most likely it's further down the road. It's not due for release.
Also, if you start playing WoW there's absolutely no reason not to play WoW and GW2 at the same time. GW2 has no subscription. I did that back in the days when GW1 came out. I played both WoW and GW1 at the same time. They were my favourite MMOs, quite different from one another.
PvP wise, GW2 is closer to DaoC than Wow.
3 servers will meet for a week in a large area called "the mists" were they will fight for control over fortresses, mines and other resources which will bring advantages to their server if they hold them.
GWs PvE is based on 3 things. Dungeons are rather similar to Wow. Personal storyline is closer to Biowares single player games like Newerwinter nights. Dynamic events is something completly new, the only thing that have some similarities is Warhammers public quests but Dynamic events actually changes the gameworld and are linked in chains. Dynamic event can be huge and scales from 1 to over 100 players.
But the biggest difference is items. Stats are not at all as important in GW 2 as in Wow. It is comparatively easy to get good stats on your gear, dungeon gear is more about fluff that stats while Wow is the opposite.
Also, AI and combat is very different since Wow uses the holy triad while GW 2 have no tanks or healer forcing you to keep a close eye on all that is happening around you.
And GW 2 have no loot stealing, if you help someone out both players will be rewarded.
A lot more of the important thing happens in the open world in GW 2, bosses that would be raid bosses in Wow show up due to dynamic events and you don't have to be grouped to join in.
But of course there are likenesses too, both games GFX engines are written by Jeff Strain to mention one thing (even if Wows is modded since then).
It all depends on you, some people love Wow and others think it is rubbish. Do a free trial and check it out for yourself instead, no one of us can really help you since it all boils down to personal preferences.
Honestly if I were you I would buy GW2 since it's buy to play and then sub to Wow.
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
They will have this but it will not be the focus of the game. The main part of the PvP was and will be GvG. They have said this a long time ago that WvWvW will be their introduction to PvP. This was a big shortcoming of the first game, GvG was too hard on the newbies. Very hard to get into it. So WvWvW will be the bridge between PvE and GvG. However, knowing ArenaNet they might make WvWvW a big part of the game as well just to give more options. This will make me a really happy panda for the sake of people who like this type of PvP
P.S. I haven't read much on GW2 in the last month or so because I got tired of reading about kewl stuff and having to wait. So please excuse me if I am a bit misinformed
I would have bought it anyway even if it was rubbish just because of the value and quality I got out of GW1.
Ooops, I forgot to mention that part . Sorry, is between Server Vs Server Vs Server like DaoC and Guild Vs Guild like in th efirst GW.
You are right of course, no game with the name guildwars wouldn't have G Vs G PvP.
Everything We Know About Guild Wars 2
Get busy.
As for WoW, no idea, but it sounds like a great game (how can 12m ppl be wrong and it will be around for a while too) and it will be a while in addition, imo, before GW2 is released so probably should get stuck into WoW and GW2 is B2P so get that when it's out.
Win-win.
http://www.gdcvault.com/play/1014633/Classic-Game-Postmortem
I dunno that. In fact were Wow the original idea of the team that became ANET later. They have some of Blizzards best people working for them now, a good budget and a great team. Blizzard really only have one advantage: Kaplan and he isn't working on Wow anymore.
If someone can take Blizzard down it is either them or Bioware (and I have some doubt about TOR).
The engine is coded by the same guy that made Wows engine (and also were the lead designer from Warcraft 3 and Diablo together with being the first lead designer on Wow before Kaplan). They have people who worked on Diablo, Starcraft, Battle.net and Warcraft 3 besides Wow.
My point anyways is that ANETs people isn't coming from nowhere, they are veterans who did many best selling games. Wow is aging fast now and can't stay on top forever, that is the reason Blizzard moved Kaplan to their next MMO project instead.
The real future battle is between GW 2 and Blizzards next game, probably with some other game involved too. maybe Rift, TOR or Copernicus.
Wow had it's top in the western world and is moving more and more to China now. it already have 2 players in China for every western one and it gets more all the time. So Wow will still earn a lot of money but it days as the top game in the west is counted.
If we are lucky and GW2 becomes a success that might force Blizzard to make their next game B2P also.
Hey, that the exact number of CDs Kid Rock have sold...
The number argument does not work. There are other arguments that do, but the fact that many people like something does not make it good or a certain facebook agriculture game would be the best game ever made. It isn't.
Hehe!
As I say, no idea about WoW, I just wanted to work that quote in from Lost Boys (re chinese and rice)
I advocate the OP to play:
1st WoW & 2nd GW2 (info on release will be irresistable and it could be very realistically Nov 2011 release for GW2 imo).
http://www.gdcvault.com/play/1014633/Classic-Game-Postmortem
I prefer GuildWars 2 because :
- i already quit WoW
- offer lots of new gaming experience
- GW series is different than other MMO's (in good ways)
- it is cheap
- I love the GW graphic and artistic world design, actually it's THE BEST
- i hate grinding (kill ten rats, tigers, penguins and other cute animals)
- i wont see 12 million WoW fanboys there... (actually "12 million" is the number that WoW fanboys believe)
I know my english is bad, so what? Wanna PVP me???
It's true that most of the WoW players now don't even think possible to have another game as good as WoW. I have the same experience with friends that play WoW: when I talk to them about the things that GW2 will have they just don't understand or aren't excited and all they say is "WoW has it". In most cases, I have to explain that having things with simillar names in both games (Dynamic Even System in GW2.... and events in all other mmorpgs) aren't the same. When I end talking about DES to them, they think is a good idea but have doubts about that system working well and don't wanna hear anything more about the game. The only real thing that they understand and really get excited about, is when I talk about the B2P payment model. I even saw a girl getting in shock and then telling her boyfriend "No, you belong to WoW, you can't get out!" (but in fact he never even said anything, she was the one that thought about it lol).
But I bet with you: when GW2 gets out and it really succesfully pulls of most of what it has and will have, the WoW players will know about the game, talk about it, some of them will play it, and in 1-2 years most of WoW players will be playing GW2, or at least have tried it. And is true.... since it's a B2P game, they don't need to stop paying their WoW account.
TOR and TERA have that litlle problem of having subs, which will undoubtly make the WoW players don't have the will to try those games (WoW players don't want to stop play WoW and probably don't want to pay 2 games in order to see if the other is good or not).
I am not sure all Chinese people eat rice because they love it... Rice is cheap there and many of them are poor so the question is if they even got a choice. And there are a lot of people in China, without them eating rice chances are that millions would starve to death.
As for GW2s release it might release in nov but my guess is April 2011 which would be the 6 year anniversary of the first game too. From what I seen and know of the game it is not so close to release that it will happen this year but not so far away that it happens 2012, so anywhere in 2011 is possible. But Q2 seems logical to me, it seemed pretty polished up at Gamescon even if a lot of stuff needs to be added and balanced still.
Good stuff, but I take it his mate is "Chinese" and "rice" is on the menu until Q2 2011
Should be useful: GW2 will be a good game to move from WoW to GW2 for: World PvP + RTS aka WvWvW
"World PvP on paper sounds like some marriage between Mythic’s RvR and World of Warcraft’s Alterac Valley. It is supposed to be three or more servers fighting against one another for some amount of time (a week, two weeks, etc.) then the servers would gain new opposition. Three is the magic number, eh, Syncaine? Anyway the system goes far beyond the capture system found in Warhammer Online by adding RTS elements to the mix similar to what Alterac Valley has. The article says: ...
http://www.gdcvault.com/play/1014633/Classic-Game-Postmortem
I like hearing someone else with the same idea as I have on the release date for gw2....I forsesee a Nov release at least into beta with a pre-order type of thing. You can pre-order the game atm and the place i pre-ordered my copy has a policy that they do no offer pre-orders unless the game is being released in some aspect within the next 2 months......I already pre-ordered the CE....I never care about the CE but something tells me this game is worth it for once lol.
They also state that the transition will be a smooth one from gw1-2 and well look at the main gw2 website....HOM, This has to be phase one of the smooth transition imo, they are simply trying to get all the money they can for gw1 before they release gw2 just like every company would/does
It's sooner than you think people my pre0order was purchased late last month and anet will most likely be going for x-mas sales for final product with an late dec/early jan release....but like always now a days it seems that you pre-order to get into the beta which i say will happen in Nov and for a $5 bill to pre-order.........It's worth the fee to get inot the beta regardless.
Yeah I scoped out that link before I posted the topic, but I still wanted some advice from you lot.
The Dynamic event system is definitely one of the big selling point against WoW, I think someone hit the nail on the head by saying people think you are just talking about normal events and don't appreciate what it really is.
I was also watching the walkthrough videos, I like how the game adapts the difficulty based on the number of players taking part in the task/event.
If Dynamic Events turn out to work as intended in the end it's gonna be impossible for me to go back to "?" and "!". It really does seem as a organic progression of tradittonal quests approach.
Honestly, your cousin sounds like a WoW fan boy, because WoW doesn't have all of the things that GW2 is working on. It is like saying that your local McDonald's hamburger is the same as a ribeye steak because they both come from a cow. If all you are looking for is meat, then, yes, there won't be anything missing from either. If you would rather have something that is deeper, you probably need to wait for GW2 (assuming those are your only two choices). A few other posts have linked and provided some examples where GW2 is going above and beyond WoW.
That said, there is nothing wrong with WoW. Get a free trial and give it a try. It is well polished. For those of us that played it for many years and have left, it is also insanely easy until you get to the very end raids (initial raids are extremely easy just like all of the content to get you to 80). Since Ghostcrawler is still at the helm, Cata will likely continue the dive into easy mode. Some people don't recognize how easy it has become, and others enjoy the ease of the game for relaxation. It really depends on what you are looking for. No harm in trying a trial to see if you might find it fun.
Maybe... but I think he's too sensible to be like that, its probably just the fact that he's enjoying so much that he's not really giving any thought to anything else. I just need to break his attention from it for a bit so he can read up about GW2.
The B2P will be a big thing fo him I think just so he can save some money.
Its annoying having to convince family or friends to join as well, why can't they just do as I say!
Nothing wrong with WoW at all. My main reason for wanting to leave is probably because I've played it since beta. Each expansion is the same as the last ... just one more gear treadmill. To top it off, they made it where trained monkeys can play the game until you get to end game raids or achievments. Or maybe it's just the community .... not that GW2 will be much better being a free game.
Try WoW with him, he can do a refer a friend on you. You and him will get some nice bonuses .... but make him promise to try GW2 with you. It's a win/win situation for you. Either you will like WoW or you won't and he will have to try GW2 with you.
wow hit it's peak in late TBC, that lasted till Ulduar. Then it sky-rocketed to the bottom. It has not gotten better. at all.
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Say that a few million times and you might just believe it yourself. WoW reached 12m subscribers. They didn't have 12m in TBC. The fact that you left a game doesnt mean everybody did.