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What do you do when MMOs are too difficult for you?

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  • ShinamiShinami Member UncommonPosts: 825

    Let's talk about difficulty.

     

    Difficulty is really probability. Your chances to accomplish something. It DOES NOT GO hand-in-hand with Challenge, because even one can rule a specific scenario to be "Character-Suicide." 

     

    Many of these MMORPGs reach a point where you stand close to zero chance against boss monsters. That is not "TOO HARD" but "SUICIDE." We are at a point where difficulty is being defined by giving enemies large bonuses and players in turn large handicaps...While in Pac-Man, difficulty actually was an "increase in AI" to the ghosts. Not just those games...early games had AI increases and gradually players could win. 

     

    I don't doubt that players here aren't "up to it" nor do I believe that "mmorpgs" are "too difficult" considering most of what is hard creates character suicide through being one-shotted or three-shotted. Not to mention time sinks to recover death penalties. The failure is not yours...Developers love to make MMOs hard to keep players logged on longest in order to collect fees. In a lot of MMOs, once the healer dies in the party, everyone else dies...

     

    My advice is to look at a game and discover for yourself if that game's "Difficulty" is more of an entrapment to players and character-time suicide. If the game is truly that way, then the best way to send a message to developer is to quit the game and move on. There are 300 games in this MMORPG list and many games in many other genres too.

     

    RMT-Models attempt to push players into buying in-game items, by slowing down the action or making the game insanely difficult (unless you purchase items) and subscription based games create these party-based endgame hooks to keep players spending money for a very long time to get diminishing returns. Its true you get hardcore players, but I remember when I took a game-development management course in trying to learn the business oriented aspect of advertising games to subscribers already paying money...

     

    Would you believe companies actually hire out employees who pretty much run with characters who are top of the line and promote the game and try to make decent people cough up money through various tactics? I had to write up a full campaign and even analize online games to find some of these tactics and its amazing how they all do it. So don't buy into all the hype...when some max level character in an online game with equipment that everyone will KILL for shows up...ask yourself if that is a REAL PLAYER or a CORPORATE REPRESENTATIVE with all equipment hired to try to make people jealous by masquerading as a player to make them feel bad for not being "HARDCORE" enough...

     

    The difference between the REAL WORLD and the GAMING WORLD is that most nations passed laws charging people under felony for imposing loyalty programs on their citizens. The Cold War was prime example of this when agents would ask you "Have you, or anyone you have ever been in contact with, maintained a relationship with, or associated with ever been a member of the communist party, so help you God?"

     

    I trust most of you know what you are doing, so don't feel bad if a game is too hard...it may have been programmed that way to push certain behaviors onto you. You have one life to live and many games exist who are willing to compete. ^_^ 

  • Cephus404Cephus404 Member CommonPosts: 3,675

    Originally posted by Shoju

    Originally posted by Elikal

    They put you into a position of greed, envy, looking down on others and legion of quite unhealthy character traits.

    MMOs don't do that to people, people do it to each other.

    In all the time I have spent playing MMOs, I think the reason that I enjoy them is because I am playing for my own enjoyment, not worrying about what others are doing, what gear they have and such.  I refuse to be a slave to the 'keeping up with the Joneses' mentality that seems to plague a lot of gamers. 

    Exactly.  For far too many, playing games turns into a giant dick-waving contest, everyone is trying to compete against everyone else instead of just playing for their own enjoyment.  I couldn't care less what anyone else is doing, what they have or what they've accomplished.  Good for them.  I make no attempt whatseover to keep up with anyone, nor do I care if anyone else keeps up with me.  So long as I have a good time playing, I'm happy.  It's the hyper-competitive twits that seem to have something wrong with them.  Maybe they're trying to compensate for being such pathetic losers in the real world, I don't know.

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  • QuirhidQuirhid Member UncommonPosts: 6,230

    Answer to the title: They never are and if they were I'd play more to get better. Infact I can't remember the last time I played a single player game on the "normal" setting. I like challenge and it has made me quite good if I do say so myself.

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  • TelilTelil Member Posts: 282

    Losing is part of winning friend.

    Do you play mmos mainly for PVP? I'm not thebest at pvp in mmos but put me in call of duty and i feel like i'm dolpf Lungren haha.

    The trouble with todays players friend is the old "destination" compared top "journey" argument! i play games to...well to play games. Forget about max level and hitting the top of the charts, i just play! if i get to max level then fine...if not then whop cares? I play football and also hate losing, i also hate being wrong...but i accept both. but in mmos i play the role of a Ranger...i dont need to finish first, that means nothing to my char...i just enjoy the ride :)

  • QuirhidQuirhid Member UncommonPosts: 6,230

    Originally posted by Cephus404

    Originally posted by Shoju


    Originally posted by Elikal

    They put you into a position of greed, envy, looking down on others and legion of quite unhealthy character traits.

    MMOs don't do that to people, people do it to each other.

    In all the time I have spent playing MMOs, I think the reason that I enjoy them is because I am playing for my own enjoyment, not worrying about what others are doing, what gear they have and such.  I refuse to be a slave to the 'keeping up with the Joneses' mentality that seems to plague a lot of gamers. 

    Exactly.  For far too many, playing games turns into a giant dick-waving contest, everyone is trying to compete against everyone else instead of just playing for their own enjoyment.  I couldn't care less what anyone else is doing, what they have or what they've accomplished.  Good for them.  I make no attempt whatseover to keep up with anyone, nor do I care if anyone else keeps up with me.  So long as I have a good time playing, I'm happy.  It's the hyper-competitive twits that seem to have something wrong with them.  Maybe they're trying to compensate for being such pathetic losers in the real world, I don't know.

    What if competing is part of the fun? Ever think of that?

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  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 9,407

    Actually you're right competing is part of the fun. Even though I am a terrible player I still want to compete. I know though that I cannot be that uber rogue and rack up kills so I concentrate on what I can do best. But at the end of the day if I did not want to get better and compete I would not be trying.

     

    PvP is actually different in that way from PvE . In PvE you can say you are not competing but if you participate in PvP that in itself requires a degree of competition. The difference being how you handle it. Do you get upset if 75% of the players are better than you like they are in my case image and still enjoy yourself when you do great that 25 % of the time. 

     

    Dick waving is fun too do not underestimate the power of waving dicks. I loved it when I  occasionally triumphed . I lauded over two players who once tried to kill my shaman and I won. It felt so damn good. So yes even pathetic old me who basically heals in PvP felt that thrill of competition and relished it.

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  • WarmakerWarmaker Member UncommonPosts: 2,246

    "What do you do when MMOs are too difficult for you?"

    My answer will depend on the type of difficulty I encounter with an MMORPG.

    1) If difficulty encountered is just pure odds with little to anything you can do about it, then I don't bother.  That kind of game is just pi$$-poor design with little thought.

    2) If difficulty encountered will lead to a rich, deep gameplay system with more effort in learning, then I'm game.  I can keep pushing.  I really like that tough game that has several different routes on tackling a problem.  I despise the ones that dictate 1 solution possible, otherwise you are f*cked.  I hate simple minded games like that.

    "I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)

  • spades07spades07 Member UncommonPosts: 852

    quit gaming. (sorry no I haven't read the OP :D)

  • EbonyflyEbonyfly Member Posts: 255

    MMOs are never going to be able to make every player feel that they are special but I think they could do a much better job of offering a greater variety of roles and allowing more character distinctiveness instead of focusing on PvP ranking tables and the cheap thrill of gear progression.

    However, this is mostly an issue of human nature rather than MMOs. The best solution is to achieve spiritual enlightment, learn to be content with what you are and not worry about that elf showing off outside the bank in his Tier-283 armor.

  • scrahnscrahn Member Posts: 23

    I'm guessing OP has never set foot in games that actually force people to improve their own personal skillsets (Reflexes, hand-eye coordination, situational awareness, and strategical thinking.)

    People with even a modicum of experience from FPS or RTS games have a massive advantage over people who have only done PvP in RNG (random number generator) games. As the only thing MMO's teach you is to bang your head against something until it budges -- Which doesn't always work so well in pvp.

    On the flip side, MMO's are only difficult for me in that I have to accept that my personal skillset has little bearing on the core gameplay of mmorpg's. Here, time is the only real factor. And having 15 years of more or less competitive RTS/FPS gaming experience only gets me so far in the treadmills that we call MMORPGs.

  • DaitenguDaitengu Member Posts: 442

    Unless you're in the top 1% of something, you're not going to feel special. In MMOs I usually find my niche that fits my playstyle, and through practice, and understanding of my class, plus timing I tend to do better than most skill wise I encounter.  that may be because I've played ranger in EQ and played it long enough that I could solo mobs that were impossible for other classes. Which translated to great hunter skills in WoW. I was known amung many people as the best hunter they've had the luxury to play with.

     

    Sure I never was able to stack up against some other hunters because they were in serious bizness raiding guilds and had 2x the stats I did, but the regular joe acclaim I worked for myself made me feel special considering regular joe in WoW meant hundreds of players. Might have been due to all the huntards out there allowing me to shine like the sun in comparison, but I degress.

     

    I recommend you find what you are good at, and show it off to people. Someone may copy your style, and improve on it, but so what, you should feel like a king just for inspiring someone else to be like you/your character.

    (Add: Some styles of play are hard to show off, tanking, and healing are under appreciated by most, so if you want acclaim, I recommend CC.)

    Does it take time? yes. Practice? yes. Desire for perfection? yes. What doesn't. If you're too impatient to get good at something, you will never be good and the games will always be difficult.  Stop being a whiner and just DO IT! you aren't going to get anywhere if all you want is a handout like a beggar.

  • MalcanisMalcanis Member UncommonPosts: 3,297

    Originally posted by astoria

    Seriously though...

    Two things you've identified are speed of twitch skills and gear grind. Have you tried EVE? It does not take terribly long to get the top 'gear' for many roles (getting the ship and parts for multiple roles is what keeps some people going). And combat is about tough and strategic, but not particularly fast decisions.

     Are you serious? This guy posts a long rant about how pissed off he is that he keeps getting the fact that other people are better than him at video games rubbed in his face and you direct him to EVE of all games? Seriously?

    Mate, that's just mean.

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  • DaitenguDaitengu Member Posts: 442

    Originally posted by Malcanis

    Originally posted by astoria

    Seriously though...

    Two things you've identified are speed of twitch skills and gear grind. Have you tried EVE? It does not take terribly long to get the top 'gear' for many roles (getting the ship and parts for multiple roles is what keeps some people going). And combat is about tough and strategic, but not particularly fast decisions.

     Are you serious? This guy posts a long rant about how pissed off he is that he keeps getting the fact that other people are better than him at video games rubbed in his face and you direct him to EVE of all games? Seriously?

    Mate, that's just mean.

    lolz truth

     

    mainly because this is fact, you will never beable to get more skills than someone ahead of you so long as they train skills.

  • MetentsoMetentso Member UncommonPosts: 1,437

    Originally posted by DrSpanky

    OP, I'm there with ya, bro. I ain't the best, not even close. Course, I don't even bother with PVP anymore. I still find MMOs fun. I just take things at my own pace and have fun with what I can do. Not being the best player on the server isn't the end of the world. If your having fund doing what you can do, who cares?

     

    Exactly. It's just a game. If I feel something for the good players is not envy, I assure you.

  • Aison2Aison2 Member CommonPosts: 624

    Op sounds like the perfect candidate for ganking noobs with a maxed char, just dont overdo it otherwise they might spank you with their mainchars

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  • Sure, there's something fundamentally wrong with mmos, and that's because crafting is an afterthought.  I think you would have filled a crafting niche nicely in pre-cu swg, where you would have real influence on the game world.  But alas, those days are pretty much gone.

  • drunkenvashdrunkenvash Member Posts: 7

    Play League of Legends to hone your gaming skills.

  • EmeraqEmeraq Member UncommonPosts: 1,063

    Cry like a school girl?

  • drunkenvashdrunkenvash Member Posts: 7

    Originally posted by zaxxon23

    Sure, there's something fundamentally wrong with mmos, and that's because crafting is an afterthought.  I think you would have filled a crafting niche nicely in pre-cu swg, where you would have real influence on the game world.  But alas, those days are pretty much gone.

     

    Well Final Fantasy 14 is out now and It's heavily based on crafting. However, now people just grind crafting out in the middle of the street and don't even talk to anyone.

  • Zookz1Zookz1 Member Posts: 629

    I haven't played an MMO that was difficult in a general sense. The more specialized sections of the game i.e. high end raiding is hard from the perspective of group execution, but on a personal basis, I have yet to find an MMO that truely takes a great amount of personal skill.

  • Frostbite05Frostbite05 Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 1,880

    there is no such thing as a difficult mmo. The only difference from game to game is the game play as well as how long it takes to achieve anything, which most people (mainly the old school mmo gamers) perceive this as "difficult" when it really isn't

  • DragimDragim Member UncommonPosts: 867

    If you are having issues with PvP in any game, (though you said you have been coached), it is important to know your class and especially know other classes.  Learning what skills they have in their arsenal helps a lot, as you must think ahead, with what they will counter your skill with.

    A lot is reaction time too.  If you just have played MMOs and not so much First person shooters, you could try to pick on up and play it.  On a console or PC.  ----Granted you will not be the best at first, or maybe never at all, but it will definetly help your reflexes out.

    Also, generally, to have all those things you listed (granted i dont know what a golden horse/unicorn is) you must have friends who are willing to do these things with you. 

    I bet you have been in guilds and such, and probably raided some, but you really got to find some good friends you can pal around with.  To join a guild is one thing, but to make good friends within the guild is another.  It seems in most MMOs people join a guild to raid, to group and have help, but within the guild (especially guilds with vent) clicks form and they start excluding people, whether they are conciously aware of what they are doing, or just do it without realizing it, but it happens!

    I wouldn't put so much pressure on yourself about being the best, but rather enjoy the game.  Not everyone can win, and there has to be a loser.  The key thing though is when you lose, attempt to find out what you did wrong, and learn from your mistakes.  If your worried about reaction time, play some First Person Shooters, or Real Time Strategy games that take a lot of quick moves, or critical thinking.

    MMOs do put a ton of emphasis on grinding, but there also are other things to do, as well as make your own fun.  Granted this may sound child like, but I was playing hide n seek in one MMO with some friends, or make up our own stupid games.  Enjoy the littles things and put less emphasis on the major things.

    Granted I think myself as a very skilled player, but I never have the best gear, or the best house/mount.  I am however excillent at whatever class I play in any MMO.  I just don't have the time these other people have to have the best items and such.  It is always fun whooping a player who has some of the best gear while I am in my mediocre gear :)

    I guess I am being wordy, but just relax man, enjoy the little things, make friends, enjoy the ride!  Why hurry to be the best?  Once you have everything, there will be nothing left to work for, and you can parade around town BORED with your awesome gear, rather than having something to work for.

    I am entitled to my opinions, misspellings, and grammatical errors.

  • JimmacJimmac Member UncommonPosts: 1,660

    Originally posted by Dragim

    If you are having issues with PvP in any game, (though you said you have been coached), it is important to know your class and especially know other classes.  Learning what skills they have in their arsenal helps a lot, as you must think ahead, with what they will counter your skill with.

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    The part I highlighted in red is one of the super key factors in games with good pvp. If you know this, you know when to fight, how to fight, you know what to do and how to react during the fight, and when to run. 

  • Cik_AsalinCik_Asalin Member Posts: 3,033

    Originally posted by Elikal

    You know. I am SICK AND TIRED of it. Sometimes I wonder why I even go to a game like a MMO which so obviously shoves my sucktasm into my face. Some times I try again, I hope, I work as hard as I can, many hours a day, but like in the story with rabbit and turtle (or whatever it was) the others are always better, faster, more equipped and generally wiping the floor with me.

    Most bleading heart liberals, the have nots that arent willing to work for their rewards, ask the Obama administration for welfare...it exists in mmo's, most of them, also. /shrug

  • EmergenceEmergence Member Posts: 888

    I disagree with how most people re responding.

    If someone is haivng trouble, even when they try really really hard, the answer is not "Try harder1!!" nor is it "QQ less cry baby!"

    First, a lot of you need to grow up (even if you're still 13 IRl or at heart)

     

    Second, this is my advise, and the only thing I know could help: Mentor.

     

     

    A Mentor would be a player who is Patient, Mature, Intelligent, and available to mentor you in PvE or PvP. And I mean a good one!

    I don't care how slow someone's reflexes are, how good their build is, how much they find it "easy to pwn teh n00bs".

    A player with a good mentor will kick ass. Mentors show you the moves of the pro's. Mentors guide you through powerful builds, help you obtain high-end gear, and if you communicate well with them- help you learn experience.

     

    The only thing better than experience in video gaming is developing experience guided by someone with tons of experience!

    Believe me, I don't care how much a player sucks. I've had builds on games (like Champions Online) which were so ridiculously overpowered that even the worst player would destroy everyone in the room.

     

    In MMO's, with gear, levels, and builds (overpowered or gimped) there is no reason why, with the correct guidance, even the worst player couldn't kick ass.

     

    I'd volunteer myself to help you out in whatever game it is you're playing, but I don't play games anymore and I've been out of the loop PLAYING bc for the last year I've been making a game :(

    Yea I know, it's so sad. I miss playing MMORPG's so bad, but between making them and getting married, I just have no time for it anymore.

    If being a developer means being quiet, mature, well-spoken, and disconnected from the community, then by all means do me a favor and believe I'm not one.

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