Adrala; 'I must admit that the fact the patch seems to be succesful so far has brought some hope to my devastated fanboish heart.
As soon as you iron out the rest of the bugs left from the epic patch and then start working on the social aspects of the game I will be eagerly comming back as I am sure many more people will do.'
People1972; 'I am very happy about this new patch after testing it out.
I am now a happy panda.
Great work getting this mess together. '
Melt16; 'This ^^
Patch is a winner. Everything looks fixed so far.
Welcome to the game my fellow South African '
Sandman1882; 'Just tried out the patch. Good job SV. This patch is a winner . PvP is working now '
Duffo; 'What I have noticed this patch has fixed lag and many other issues so good work.'
Trixxer; 'Unarmed combat animation is improved. Looks more cool now. We also got turn animation.'
All due respect, but you've said the game has vastly improved after almost every patch, and managed to leave out the actual issues each patch brings.
I'll wait until there is a consensus from the users, rather than you, since your history of posts doesn't indicate an exactly apt description of what the status of the game is.
Adrala; 'I must admit that the fact the patch seems to be succesful so far has brought some hope to my devastated fanboish heart.
As soon as you iron out the rest of the bugs left from the epic patch and then start working on the social aspects of the game I will be eagerly comming back as I am sure many more people will do.'
People1972; 'I am very happy about this new patch after testing it out.
I am now a happy panda.
Great work getting this mess together. '
Melt16; 'This ^^
Patch is a winner. Everything looks fixed so far.
Welcome to the game my fellow South African '
Sandman1882; 'Just tried out the patch. Good job SV. This patch is a winner . PvP is working now '
Duffo; 'What I have noticed this patch has fixed lag and many other issues so good work.'
Trixxer; 'Unarmed combat animation is improved. Looks more cool now. We also got turn animation.'
Not only that... but some of the people he quoted DO NOT EVEN PLAY THE GAME ANYMORE...
Case in point "As soon as you iron out the rest of the bugs left from the epic patch and then start working on the social aspects of the game I will be eagerly comming back as I am sure many more people will do.'
BTW.. that EXDEV post was great. Yet additional confirmation of the true state of things.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
Here's a small part of a talk I had today with one of the former SV employees, seems relevant to the discussion:
Syndic says:
you reckon they'll go bankrupt in a month then?
ExDevGuy says:
no i reckon they go NewEmission in a month
ExDevGuy says:
and then loan money
ExDevGuy says:
or loan money and then do NewEmission
ExDevGuy says:
basicly dropping their worth of their company from 30 mil to 10 mil sek
ExDevGuy says:
after they loaned money
ExDevGuy says:
they went negative 1.1 mil cause they had to repay a short term loan
ExDevGuy says:
wich means their net is now 700k left
ExDevGuy says:
and thats this month in payment for salaries and server cost
ExDevGuy says:
They need a loan so badly now that if a big company came now and said, look we are taking over the studio. Henrik would say yes
ExDevGuy says:
sell his stock and jump the ship
Syndic says:
yeah some people were saying the same on the forums, that a big company should come in and buy out
Syndic says:
hercules explained why no big company would waste time with it, logical when you look at it.
ExDevGuy says:
I would not be surpriced at all if Epic came and bought the game and then buried it so that no one would know of the atlas failure
ExDevGuy says:
Hercules, a once in league with Maerlyn went anti SV cause he would not deliver the small code snippet that SV needed to link the shop with forum.
ExDevGuy says:
I understood he wanted cash, but he was saying SV would never pay so he wouldnt do shit anyway. Then he begun leaking shit and Maerlyn were all over him.
Syndic says:
lol
Syndic says:
the Epic thing wouldn't be that suprising actually
Syndic says:
dont think they're quite impressed with SV calling them and dragging their name through the mud every 2-3 months
ExDevGuy says:
I know, its not really a sign of good partnership to say that the patches they get from them are shit.
ExDevGuy says:
So if i was a guy at epic i would say to my boss , we need to buy and burry MortalOnline before they destroy our name and our engine.
ExDevGuy says:
Cause they want to sell more licenses of Atlas
ExDevGuy says:
and that a good 2.5 mil usd / year i belive
Syndic says:
lol
Syndic says:
so SV gets to pay the licence again in a few months.
ExDevGuy says:
yes i belive its a yearly license they need to pay cause the initinal testing on the engine is gone once they released the game
ExDevGuy says:
and not just that, they probably need to license the rest of the software on the computers aswell since it is a company.
ExDevGuy says:
a homeowner buys a diffrent type of contract when dealing with companies. But comanies vs companies its a licence type of deal
ExDevGuy says:
Software licence , Engine licence , Electrical Bills , Studio Bill, Worker's cost and they also need to worry about the server cost
Syndic says:
time for another loan hehe
ExDevGuy says:
so its alot of going out.. and alot less comming in
Syndic says:
yeah
ExDevGuy says:
if there are 1000 people playing and paying a monthly 150 sek thing thats 150.000 , if you have 700k , then your at 850k , then a normal guy there gets around 13k after tax.. thats aprox 30k before tax so 10 guys = 300.000k , they are around 15+ but id say the upper management gets out way more. So i will say 700k before tax.
Syndic says:
I noticed they never really said in the financial report how many subs they actually had
ExDevGuy says:
then you need to pay for the rest of the shit
ExDevGuy says:
...happy christmas?
ExDevGuy says:
they never said that cause i think that would hurt them so much that they would have file for bankrupsy very soon afterwards
ExDevGuy says:
they needed to add the 'future thing' in the end of the rapport so that investors have a small hope
ExDevGuy says:
even tho its blantly lying
ExDevGuy says:
a 25% sale? lol ok.. you have 1000+ people , will 250 save you?
ExDevGuy says:
you have 2000 , will 500 save you?
ExDevGuy says:
etc..
ExDevGuy says:
its such a long stretch that they need 10000 people and they needed then the 25% at this point to even go + cause when the people number goes up they pay for downloads of the game and also server cost goes up.
ExDevGuy says:
but that would been the best (bad) situation.
ExDevGuy says:
right now its a terrible situation.
I come to the MO forum to have a few LOLs from time to time, but reading this I can't help but feel bad for the guys working there, imminent doom looming in every corner.
So, I am someone who has played mortal online since beta but let my sub run out last month. There is a thread in the member's section discussing this financial report. I decided to make a similar thread in the public forums so people who own the game but don't subscribe but who, none-the-less, may want to sub again can discuss the financial report and what it means to how logn mortal will surrvive. The following was my openng post;
I decided to make a thread about this so that all, and not just those that subscribe, can pass comment. A couple of people in the member's section version of this thread have made statements that imply that the number subbing, has increased.
I personally think that a comment such as that is totally wrong when it is clear that, given the stated losses and refusal to report on sub numbers by SV, that there has been a drop off in subs. The recent 'letting go' of two employees would also perhaps lend weight to my beliefs that financially, SV are struggling.
I don't know how CIRsyndic does it but he has been posting reports of interviews with ex-devs who kinda also reinforce my beliefs in the financial status of SV.
So, I had intended on re-subbing but is it worth flogging a dead horse here? I mean the bugs too prevent me from re-subbing but ignoring them, what's the point investing my money and time in an mmo with a potentially short life span? Am I totally off the ball here and my reading of the situation incorrect? I ask as I had hoped things would improve so that I could enjoy game time again with my great guild.
Cheers!
Unfortunatley a fan known as Brigadesoft responded quite aggressively and now the thread has been deleted by kootaney. Why is discussing this report such a threat eh? Who knows, maybe it was becasue I mentioned Syndic ? What this deletion has done is help me make up my mind as to whther I would subscribe again or not.
p.s. I may as well leak some info too from Matts...give me one sec.
Yup I was talking on TS3 earlier with guildies and we were placing bets on how soon the thread would get deleted. As a response to SV's censorship, I will soon post an email screenshot (if it fits into 1 frame because its a long rant) of SV's real banning policy and dealing with hackers.
Mats, I am really sorry for betraying your trust. In my defense I feel like I have been treated like shit by SV. Not only with threads being deleted but through ingame corruption and favortism. So yes I am a bad person because I post this out of spite really. I would like to say that I do think Mats a great guy and a great designer just, as he admits himself in the image below, the project manager and upper management are terrible at their jobs, aka Henrik. Mats, if you want to blame anyone for this release blame kootaney and the head bitch mod for deleting threads and being rude in PMs and on IRC and acting like supreme overlords.
Syndic baby, really looking forwards to your post too.
Originally posted by Qunitillian Mats, I am really sorry for betraying your trust. In my defense I feel like I have been treated like shit by SV. Not only with threads being deleted but through ingame corruption and favortism. So yes I am a bad person because I post this out of spite really. I would like to say that I do think Mats a great guy and a great designer just, as he admits himself in the image below, the project manager and upper management are terrible at their jobs, aka Henrik. Mats, if you want to blame anyone for this release blame kootaney and the head bitch mod for deleting threads and being rude in PMs and on IRC and acting like supreme overlords. Syndic baby, really looking forwards to your post too.
No offence, but you are an asshole, posting this private PM which could greatly harm Mats reputation. One thing is posting vague info from ExDevs, and completely another is posting information which would greatly hurt his position.
Yes, I take your point and I believe I admit that I am a bad guy for posting it. I even Pm'ed mat before I did to give him a heads up. To be frank with you, there is only so much shit that I can take and be subjected to before I take aim and fire back. To be honest the person that comes of the worse is Henrik, and that was enough of a counter balance. Particularly as SV will not survive from an economic satnd point, I do not think that mats reputation in the wider game dev community will be affected. I would also note that I did tell mats not to respond to my PM, but he did.
To be frank with you, there is only so much shit that I can take and be subjected to before I take aim and fire back.
You fire at the wrong guy. So you will probably get him into bad relations with his boss, and what have you achieved? It's henrik and certain mods that are screwing the game up, not the designers. Grats, you probably just ruined someones career for nothing.
Happy to discuss this with you via PMs so we dont spam this thread.
EDIT: I am discussing this with toferio in PMs atm, but I thought it worth while to say here that I hope a much needed converstaion between mats and henrik now occrrs. Hopefully the game will get back on track then.
Mats is hands-down a great guy and MO is his baby brain-child, but I do wonder how naive can you get? You give someone your idea/IP, and let them do whatever they will with it without safeguards to make sure you have a say in it? Look at GamesWorkshop as an example, you mess with their IP and they WILL shut you down. Look at Interplay/Bethesda, Interplay gave them the rights and now Bethesda is screwing them over.
Not the first time a greedy CEO exploited someone's idea.
Mats is hands-down a great guy and MO is his baby brain-child, but I do wonder how naive can you get? You give someone your idea/IP, and let them do whatever they will with it without safeguards to make sure you have a say in it? Look at GamesWorkshop as an example, you mess with their IP and they WILL shut you down. Look at Interplay/Bethesda, Interplay gave them the rights and now Bethesda is screwing them over.
Not the first time a greedy CEO exploited someone's idea.
There's also a moral/ethical stand he could have taken early on. mod edit: accusing anyone of illegal activity can be a serious issue.
And the other part of this is of course, by not taking a stand, he ruined his own career by being associated with this albatross of a project. The good news is that after MO goes, none of these guys will ever have a job in game design or development ever again.
Well... thank you for posting that. At least we now have confirmation from the #2 guy in SV of the condition of the company AND it's management. Incredible stuff.
I do feel sorry for Mats as another developer who left also confirmed he's a good guy... BUT as posted above.. he knew what Henrick and the company were doing and stood back and allowed it to happen. I understand the reasons, but sometimes you have to reap what you sow. He will probably get another job as a designer elsewhere pretty easilly.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
Hey Syndic the numbers that exdevguy posted are eerily similar to the numbers Ive been posting the last few months. Only difference is I had them at 20 devs not 15.
My guess is they (henrik and his Dad ) are discussing what the future holds as we speak, they have had to come to the conclusion months ago that this game is heading for disaster anyone with a brain and not fan boy status should know that.
All that being said I really do feel sorry for Mats he has always been up front with the community and this whole ordeal must be eating away at him and thats sad. It would be a good Idea for him to take his ideas to a real studio and develop a game we all want. The game he invisions would be one hell of a game if he did that.
My advice is that people stop spending money on this game and stop subscribing because there is no doubt in my mind they will be going under soon and henrik has no fucking problem taking what little money he can up until that point,
I find it very interesting how mere hours after the PM was posted 6-7 old topics were resurrected presumably to bury it, and give the impression that the posters here are pure trolls.
What this tells me is that PANIC is starting to set in, possibly as a preparation to apply pressure on MMORPG moderators to delete the topic which I intend to post today and those that are coming in the future now that the dirty laundry is leaking through every seam and bolt hole - but that could be just me being paranoid.
Or a very upset little spider is screaming in the bathroom because his carefully laid out spider web got disturbed.
I find it very interesting how mere hours after the PM was posted 6-7 old topics were resurrected presumably to bury it, and give the impression that the posters here are pure trolls.
What this tells me is that PANIC is starting to set in, possibly as a preparation to apply pressure on MMORPG moderators to delete the topic which I intend to post today and those that are coming in the future now that the dirty laundry is leaking through every seam and bolt hole - but that could be just me being paranoid.
Or a very upset little spider is screaming in the bathroom because his carefully laid out spider web got disturbed.
Is that what happened? I thought someone was bumping old threads but are they really that crazy that they are trying to hide this thread? I think it is the most epic one... when compared to this thread:
Despite the, well, problems I've raised with my disclosure, I do feel that I must reiterate that Mats is a great guy. His game design ideas are stunning and I really hope he can get them to a working state that he is happy with; whether thats with SV or not .
the patches are actually doing pretty well the last 2 weeks and people have been playing everyday. its alot more enjoyable and the biggest issue atm is the population. imo this is the time where they should make a 1/2 week free trial. to show off the things they fixed and that it really isnt that bad anymore. ive had alot of good fights these last 2 weeks and were in the process of making a new big pvp video with my guild and i'll post it here when its done
Is that what happened? I thought someone was bumping old threads but are they really that crazy that they are trying to hide this thread? I think it is the most epic one... when compared to this thread:
I wouldn't call it crazy. They're simply using the tools they have at their disposal to silence and make this forum completely unusable by the community here. It is insultive really, that they consider us so stupid to believe it all starts and ends on one forum.
Note how two more threads have been necroed shortly after a few replies.
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I can halfway deal with the bugs. My main problem with MO is, it is a shell. It is beta there is no content or tools to call it a "sandbox".
One day does nto a consensus make.
Not only that... but some of the people he quoted DO NOT EVEN PLAY THE GAME ANYMORE...
Case in point "As soon as you iron out the rest of the bugs left from the epic patch and then start working on the social aspects of the game I will be eagerly comming back as I am sure many more people will do.'
BTW.. that EXDEV post was great. Yet additional confirmation of the true state of things.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
What is this 'NewEmission' thing the ExDev mentions several times?
That log is really amazing, thanks for posting it... I had to make a thread about this log...
I come to the MO forum to have a few LOLs from time to time, but reading this I can't help but feel bad for the guys working there, imminent doom looming in every corner.
So, I am someone who has played mortal online since beta but let my sub run out last month. There is a thread in the member's section discussing this financial report. I decided to make a similar thread in the public forums so people who own the game but don't subscribe but who, none-the-less, may want to sub again can discuss the financial report and what it means to how logn mortal will surrvive. The following was my openng post;
I decided to make a thread about this so that all, and not just those that subscribe, can pass comment. A couple of people in the member's section version of this thread have made statements that imply that the number subbing, has increased.
I personally think that a comment such as that is totally wrong when it is clear that, given the stated losses and refusal to report on sub numbers by SV, that there has been a drop off in subs. The recent 'letting go' of two employees would also perhaps lend weight to my beliefs that financially, SV are struggling.
I don't know how CIRsyndic does it but he has been posting reports of interviews with ex-devs who kinda also reinforce my beliefs in the financial status of SV.
So, I had intended on re-subbing but is it worth flogging a dead horse here? I mean the bugs too prevent me from re-subbing but ignoring them, what's the point investing my money and time in an mmo with a potentially short life span? Am I totally off the ball here and my reading of the situation incorrect? I ask as I had hoped things would improve so that I could enjoy game time again with my great guild.
Cheers!
Unfortunatley a fan known as Brigadesoft responded quite aggressively and now the thread has been deleted by kootaney. Why is discussing this report such a threat eh? Who knows, maybe it was becasue I mentioned Syndic
? What this deletion has done is help me make up my mind as to whther I would subscribe again or not.
p.s. I may as well leak some info too from Matts...give me one sec.
Yup I was talking on TS3 earlier with guildies and we were placing bets on how soon the thread would get deleted. As a response to SV's censorship, I will soon post an email screenshot (if it fits into 1 frame because its a long rant) of SV's real banning policy and dealing with hackers.
Mats, I am really sorry for betraying your trust. In my defense I feel like I have been treated like shit by SV. Not only with threads being deleted but through ingame corruption and favortism. So yes I am a bad person because I post this out of spite really. I would like to say that I do think Mats a great guy and a great designer just, as he admits himself in the image below, the project manager and upper management are terrible at their jobs, aka Henrik. Mats, if you want to blame anyone for this release blame kootaney and the head bitch mod for deleting threads and being rude in PMs and on IRC and acting like supreme overlords.
Syndic baby, really looking forwards to your post too.
No offence, but you are an asshole, posting this private PM which could greatly harm Mats reputation. One thing is posting vague info from ExDevs, and completely another is posting information which would greatly hurt his position.
Yes, I take your point and I believe I admit that I am a bad guy for posting it. I even Pm'ed mat before I did to give him a heads up. To be frank with you, there is only so much shit that I can take and be subjected to before I take aim and fire back. To be honest the person that comes of the worse is Henrik, and that was enough of a counter balance. Particularly as SV will not survive from an economic satnd point, I do not think that mats reputation in the wider game dev community will be affected. I would also note that I did tell mats not to respond to my PM, but he did.
You fire at the wrong guy. So you will probably get him into bad relations with his boss, and what have you achieved? It's henrik and certain mods that are screwing the game up, not the designers. Grats, you probably just ruined someones career for nothing.
Happy to discuss this with you via PMs so we dont spam this thread.
EDIT: I am discussing this with toferio in PMs atm, but I thought it worth while to say here that I hope a much needed converstaion between mats and henrik now occrrs. Hopefully the game will get back on track then.
Mats is hands-down a great guy and MO is his baby brain-child, but I do wonder how naive can you get? You give someone your idea/IP, and let them do whatever they will with it without safeguards to make sure you have a say in it? Look at GamesWorkshop as an example, you mess with their IP and they WILL shut you down. Look at Interplay/Bethesda, Interplay gave them the rights and now Bethesda is screwing them over.
Not the first time a greedy CEO exploited someone's idea.
There's also a moral/ethical stand he could have taken early on. mod edit: accusing anyone of illegal activity can be a serious issue.
And the other part of this is of course, by not taking a stand, he ruined his own career by being associated with this albatross of a project. The good news is that after MO goes, none of these guys will ever have a job in game design or development ever again.
Well... thank you for posting that. At least we now have confirmation from the #2 guy in SV of the condition of the company AND it's management. Incredible stuff.
I do feel sorry for Mats as another developer who left also confirmed he's a good guy... BUT as posted above.. he knew what Henrick and the company were doing and stood back and allowed it to happen. I understand the reasons, but sometimes you have to reap what you sow. He will probably get another job as a designer elsewhere pretty easilly.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
Hey Syndic the numbers that exdevguy posted are eerily similar to the numbers Ive been posting the last few months. Only difference is I had them at 20 devs not 15.
My guess is they (henrik and his Dad ) are discussing what the future holds as we speak, they have had to come to the conclusion months ago that this game is heading for disaster anyone with a brain and not fan boy status should know that.
All that being said I really do feel sorry for Mats he has always been up front with the community and this whole ordeal must be eating away at him and thats sad. It would be a good Idea for him to take his ideas to a real studio and develop a game we all want. The game he invisions would be one hell of a game if he did that.
My advice is that people stop spending money on this game and stop subscribing because there is no doubt in my mind they will be going under soon and henrik has no fucking problem taking what little money he can up until that point,
http://www.prophecyguild.net
I find it very interesting how mere hours after the PM was posted 6-7 old topics were resurrected presumably to bury it, and give the impression that the posters here are pure trolls.
What this tells me is that PANIC is starting to set in, possibly as a preparation to apply pressure on MMORPG moderators to delete the topic which I intend to post today and those that are coming in the future now that the dirty laundry is leaking through every seam and bolt hole - but that could be just me being paranoid.
Or a very upset little spider is screaming in the bathroom because his carefully laid out spider web got disturbed.
Is that what happened? I thought someone was bumping old threads but are they really that crazy that they are trying to hide this thread? I think it is the most epic one... when compared to this thread:
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/279830/POLL-10-days-and-counting-Do-you-think-the-game-will-survive.html
Despite the, well, problems I've raised with my disclosure, I do feel that I must reiterate that Mats is a great guy. His game design ideas are stunning and I really hope he can get them to a working state that he is happy with; whether thats with SV or not .
the patches are actually doing pretty well the last 2 weeks and people have been playing everyday. its alot more enjoyable and the biggest issue atm is the population. imo this is the time where they should make a 1/2 week free trial. to show off the things they fixed and that it really isnt that bad anymore. ive had alot of good fights these last 2 weeks and were in the process of making a new big pvp video with my guild and i'll post it here when its done
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I wouldn't call it crazy. They're simply using the tools they have at their disposal to silence and make this forum completely unusable by the community here. It is insultive really, that they consider us so stupid to believe it all starts and ends on one forum.
Note how two more threads have been necroed shortly after a few replies.
Aye just look at those threads rise from the grave, Altered Beast style. Who is this pukebaby1954?
Look on the Mortal forums
http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/55328-comments-mo-forum-drive-slapshott1188-inferno-insane.html
http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/55244-mortal-online-survivor-guy-mmorpg-com-article.html
Syndic, I hope you can post that in this thread. May as well keep it all together in one epic thread? Thats if the OP does not mind.