Threads like this really validate my decision to quit this addiction / disease. Watching some of you, especially you angry wow apologist posters, remind me of every poor pathetic drug junkie I've ever seen on the streets or TV. Wake up kids, this game is bad for you, and both your mental and phsycal health. As for those angry hardcore raiders that are yelling at you OP, don't argue with these guys. They are heavily under an unhealthy (and medically demonstrated and documented) addiction. Rather than argue with them, you really should be more sympathetic. These guys really need some help from you and I because they need to break this cycle. Think about it. Think about the hours that go into a hardcore raider's schedule every week. Think about how much time that has wasted over the course of a year. Now think about that over 6 years of your life which you'll never get back that has done nothing whatsoever to improve your real life. That's not a hobby or a pastime, that's an unhealty addiction.
You know, some people are actually enjoying WoW minus the addiction/disease that you mention. Considering how casual the game can be, the majority have most likely avoided this affliction altogether.
But even for the casual gamers... 6 years? c'mon. that's still an addiction, the only difference is that they socilaize/craft/gather/AH/5-man/etc instead of raid. A casual smoker is still addicted to nicotine, he just forces himself to abstain for longers intervals. Pretty miserable way to live IMO. It's still not doing anything good for you so why "casually" do it either?
And those who you mentioned avoiding the addiction? Well I'm pretty sure they aren't the 4-6 year constantly (or frequently) subbed players I'm referring to. They're the ones who kicked it. So in essence I'm not really disagreeing with you
Your arguement is flawed. You are saying people that sub 4-6 years( because it does nothing good for you) are addicted and need help? There are a million things that people do that is not good for them. For everything people do there are those who take it too far. There are some people who exercise too much. Thats doing something good for themselves but over doing it. Besides this fact most people are casual players and never get as bad as the few you hear about.
Really. So because there are millions of things that aren't good for them, that makes them ok? You sound like one yourself, that's a classic denial line.
Me: smoking is bad for your health
smoker: I'm not worried about my health. I could get hit by a bus tomorrow
Me: Would you deliberately walk in front of a bus?
smoker: Of course not
Me: do you look before stepping out into the street?
smoker: Of course I do
You don't deliberately go looking for ways to affect your health, social life, finances etc for something that doesn't really do anything positive for you, so why stay playing the same game for 4-6 years? Because you are an addict.
I suppose next you're going to try and tell us that Blizzard (any MMO for that matter) doesn't deliberately create hooks that are specifically engineered to keep you subbing and the revenues from it for as long as they possibly can right? (they do, do the research yourself don't take my word for it) Is that good marketing strategy? Ok, yes it is. Last time I checked, tobacco companies use good marketing tools as well, but that's ok too right, because it's good capitalist thinking. Or that there aren't actually warcraft addiction clinics (there are)
There are so many jokes and wisecracks about 'warcrack' it's ridiculously common, so spare me the excuses about MY logic and don't be so naive.
First of all, perhaps the man enjoys his game or cigarette? Second of all, smoking is no less bad for you than eating McDonalds a lot. People with HIGHER life expectancy smoke more. I've played World of Warcraft since closed beta and my relationships and my life hasn't really changed because of it. All the way back with AC2 when I first played an MMO nothing happened.
Are you going to MMORPG.com to tell people that play an MMO it's bad for their health? What are you doing? I don't get what you're attacking here. Someone plays same game for six years does not equal an "addict". Being addicted to games would mean if you spend a day or two from it, you can't stand it. However, that doesn't mean I won't keep an active sub, just because I'm going out of town for a week.
You're using straw man arguments and poor examples.
You're the one who pointed out that 21 years experience makes you a credible source. It doesn't. 21 years experience in ANY field makes you have... 21 years of experience. MANY people in a field that loing will be very good at it. But not all. You also dodged my question about "Dr. Mark's" credentials
And the study I posted, (which one?) even if what you're claiming is true (you never provided your sources or anything to back you) again, nitpicking one example out of hundreds. But yet dodging the fact that big heavyweights like the AMA and APA, and numerous universities are also conducting research. Dodge, dodge, dodge. Are you sure you work for IT and not a politician?
Lastly your idea that anything can be called an addiction is... well I can't be intellectual about this one. It was just a ridiculously stupid thing to say. Don't pass of as fact what is actually only your opinion, unsubstantiated by any facts.
All your counter arguments are nitpicks of small points, yet I notice you're dodging the main questions and issues. Where I come from that's called grasping at straws. You might want to consider going back to the lightweight division.
Not really as I'm trying to figure out/clarify the word 'addiction' that you keep using.
'A dependence on a substance or behaviour which affects physical, psychological and emotional wellbeing'
What was you said about being 'intellectual'?
I assume you mean you are going by what the medical industry/professional then? Which logically flows that it can be anything by that definition? Like 'junk food', TV, DVDs, Music etc.
Now, if you can find some other definition that goes against what I posted, feel free to prove me wrong.
I will admit that the public and the medical industry don't see eye-to-eye when it comes to that definition.
Gdemami - Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
jpnz, I'm not arguing the definition of addiction, but rather your examples. TV's and DVD's? please try to be serious. And stop using "logically follows" when expressing what is purely only your own speculative opinion. Rahter than ask me to provide an alternate definition, I'm going to ask you instead to provide as many research cases into your silly examples as there currently are for gaming addiction. Good luck
Lucious,
Clearly you know absolutely nothing about smoking and nicotine addiction. Every expert on the subject is in complete opposition to everything you just said. As an ex-smoker who's spent years enslaved to that drug beore finally breaking free, I know. You just said 2 classic BS lines smokers use btw.
"maybe they enjoy it"
really? They enjoy inhaling approximately 1000+ toxic chemicals, that don't do anything at all for you? since smoking doesn't actually do anything for you, what's the gain? Oh that's right, it's the artificial illusion of a boost which is actually only removing the addictive nicotine craving that was created by the cigarette you smoked. If you didn't smoke at all you'd be in that same level of contentedness all the time.
"longer life expectancy"
yeah like good old uncle Fred who smoked a billiom cigars and lived until he was 300 years old right?
Wrong. For every one of you misled people and your uncle Fred there's tens of thousands who die every year from smoking related illness. Get your head out of the sand. Straw man arguments... lol. hello pot, meet kettle.
Anyway here is an old 40-60min video presentation on mmo addiction to an american university by a brit WoW radio guy with no credentials whatsoever who basically did a comedic stand up act rather tnan a presentation. (It was a presentation btw, not a lecture)
fixed for accuracy. I could do the same thing from my garage speaking to my dog and have the same level of credibility.
Here's his unbiased (/sarcasm) source:
"I was asked to give a presentation on a subject of my choosing, due to my position as the owner of WoW Radio, since they thought my input might interest the students at the UAT. The idea behind it was to give a light-hearted look at the subject of addiction in MMORPGs, as well as a look at the oft-ignored positive aspects of social online gaming"
Cool, thanks for the link. I'll just stick to things like the Journal for Psychiatric Research, but thanks.
Anyway here is an old 40-60min video lecture on mmo addiction to an american university by a brit student with no credentials whatsoever who basically did a comedic stand up act rather tnan a presentation. (It was a presentation btw, not a lecture)
fixed for accuracy. I could do the same thing from my garage speaking to my dog and have the same level of credibility.
As far as I am concerned he is lecturing them on a subject at an educational establishment. I never asked for my thread to be fixed but I guess thanks for poking your nose in where it wasnt needed. People can judge for themselves they dont need you to colour it or are you arrogant enough to presume everyone needs to have your opinon?
Last I checked this guy had a lengthy history in social media and had broadcast a radio show for some years. Far more credentials to lecture than you in your garage at your dog huh. But you keep trying to teach your dog.
Anyway here is an old 40-60min video lecture on mmo addiction to an american university by a brit student with no credentials whatsoever who basically did a comedic stand up act rather tnan a presentation. (It was a presentation btw, not a lecture)
fixed for accuracy. I could do the same thing from my garage speaking to my dog and have the same level of credibility.
As far as I am concerned he is lecturing them on a subject at an educational establishment. I never asked for my thread to be fixed but I guess thanks for poking your nose in where it wasnt needed. People can judge for themselves they dont need you to colour it or are you arrogant enough to presume everyone needs to have your opinon?
Last I checked this guy had a lengthy history in social media and had broadcast a radioshow for some years. Far more credentials to lecture than you in your garage at your dog huh. But you keep trying to teach your dog.
see above, my post was edited. Nothing you just said changes the fact that some internet radio guy (oh, sorry! a lengthy history as an internet radio guy!) talking about psychology issues. I know this guy who's a fantastic private construction contractor. He has a "lengthy history" building high - end million dollar homes. He wanted to let you know that he's available if you ever want a "lecture" on astronomy.
I read the first few pages of this thread and find it hilarious that people are complaining that they can't just run through a dungeon and faceroll buttons to get epics.
I just re-subbed because the game is looking like it will actually have a bit of skill in it again. I cleared out of my bags the 40 or 50 epics I had for my warrior from wotlk and now I know when I get an epic it will actually be something close to an achievement.
I remember raiding in TBC on full decent blues and being happy when I started getting some epics. Epics meant nothing in wotlk, it was just all about gearscore, because who needs player skill anyway!
Now you need to smash your buttons but maybe time some of those a bit better.. be aware of what events are happening in a fight... bring some teamwork by cc'ing etc etc.
Well done Blizzard.... you have brought back that thing that was missing .... GAMEPLAY
I read the first few pages of this thread and find it hilarious that people are complaining that they can't just run through a dungeon and faceroll buttons to get epics.
I just re-subbed because the game is looking like it will actually have a bit of skill in it again. I cleared out of my bags the 40 or 50 epics I had for my warrior from wotlk and now I know when I get an epic it will actually be something close to an achievement.
I remember raiding in TBC on full decent blues and being happy when I started getting some epics. Epics meant nothing in wotlk, it was just all about gearscore, because who needs player skill anyway!
Now you need to smash your buttons but maybe time some of those a bit better.. be aware of what events are happening in a fight... bring some teamwork by cc'ing etc etc.
Well done Blizzard.... you have brought back that thing that was missing .... GAMEPLAY
Give it a couple of months, maybe a year... and we are back at "LFG Hogger, min ilvl 400" Hmmm... Hogger is now the big dog in Stockades, so probably be "LFG Stocks, min ilvl 400"
I agree wholeheartedly with you OP. Cancelled my account yesterday. Gonna dink around with EQ2 til Rift comes out. Been playing Beta of that and its actually a pretty amazing alternative to WOW. It will definately give Blizzard a run for their money.
WOW has created the worst player in this expansion. As a DPS who pulls 8-10k dps in Heroics I have been booted left and right from jerks, simple mistakes, and even pulling less then 10k dps. I'd admit if I was a terrible but the difficulty of these dungeons has turned players into monsters. Im sick of sitting in que for 30 minutes on a gamble if I am going to complete my heroic of the day or not. Yes I can always join a guild group and that is fine and dandy except that when I am able to play its usually not in tune with grouping with people that I know can finish an instance.
Its ok though. I finished all the quests in Cataclysm and i've done all the heroics. Tradeskills maxed and I feel bored. WOW is still one of my favorite game IPs and I truly hope that someday they can add a few more things for bored casuals to do. I can't believe I just said im a bored casual. Its true though.
I agree wholeheartedly with you OP. Cancelled my account yesterday. Gonna dink around with EQ2 til Rift comes out. Been playing Beta of that and its actually a pretty amazing alternative to WOW. It will definately give Blizzard a run for their money.
WOW has created the worst player in this expansion. As a DPS who pulls 8-10k dps in Heroics I have been booted left and right from jerks, simple mistakes, and even pulling less then 10k dps. I'd admit if I was a terrible but the difficulty of these dungeons has turned players into monsters. Im sick of sitting in que for 30 minutes on a gamble if I am going to complete my heroic of the day or not. Yes I can always join a guild group and that is fine and dandy except that when I am able to play its usually not in tune with grouping with people that I know can finish an instance.
Its ok though. I finished all the quests in Cataclysm and i've done all the heroics. Tradeskills maxed and I feel bored. WOW is still one of my favorite game IPs and I truly hope that someday they can add a few more things for bored casuals to do. I can't believe I just said im a bored casual. Its true though.
same here, bored even more as I try to max new archaeology skill, which means lot of travels & no portals means long & boring travels.
dungeon fight now means to me to jump & run around the boss as mad monkey, with desperate try to push some buttons & get interrupt at time ( done them all as well but don't feel any fun to do).
whole game mechanic is broken now, as game not required to use CC, interrupts or even tactics at any dungeons except after lvl 80 Cata instances. I wonder how guys who are not started at Vanilla could manage this. Best advice I hear: "they need to leave" from people who *stopped playing WoW for years now*; that means to me nobody will enjoy this game or may be only few rare person.
any other game I've played teach you how to use your abilities all long the leveling road, but not WoW.
hope GW 2 coming soon & will sure buy Rift, so as many others I will contribute to real Cata for Blizz.
try before buy, even if it's a game to avoid bad surprises. Worst surprises for me: Aion, GW2
As a new player to WoW I must say that players have no idea how to group. I run a preist and only do instances and I would wager that 90% of the groups are horrid at agro management and basic group skills... like letting the tank lead or pull?!?!? Not to mention that as a DPS if you get agro you are not #1 on the heal list but will be on the revive list provided you do not bitch too much about getting yourself killed. I think that everyone should be forced to spend a week in a real group based MMO as part of the pre level 80 instances, make it like the drivers licenses in Gran Torismo, if you do not have the base skills you can not come in.
I'm done as well. The newly designed areas of WoW are cool especially the floating barge in the former Thousand Needles zone but after two weeks of play and 70 levels i cancelled my account because i'm sick of the dated game format of kill x, return y, go see z OVER and over and over. The only reason i chose to level years ago was to get to max level and get suitable gear to PVP. I refuse to waste any more time to get to the part of the game i like. I do not enjoy the monotonous, boring routine of leveling in MMO's. Come to think of it i never have. I want to log into a game, wage war against a virtual opponent and log out when i'm desire. I love the fantasy format of games for pvp combat but i need to find a FPS game thats about the fight and not about the path to the fight.
I'm done as well. The newly designed areas of WoW are cool especially the floating barge in the former Thousand Needles zone but after two weeks of play and 70 levels i cancelled my account because i'm sick of the dated game format of kill x, return y, go see z OVER and over and over. The only reason i chose to level years ago was to get to max level and get suitable gear to PVP. I refuse to waste any more time to get to the part of the game i like. I do not enjoy the monotonous, boring routine of leveling in MMO's. Come to think of it i never have. I want to log into a game, wage war against a virtual opponent and log out when i'm desire. I love the fantasy format of games for pvp combat but i need to find a FPS game thats about the fight and not about the path to the fight.
Done here too. Been playing since release. It really is just a chat engine for me now. I have my own vent, that my friends and I use in between games. Having that has really replaced WoW for me. I'd go intro detail about what is I dont like, but I am sure someone else has covered it. It really has become that in between game for me.
I agree wholeheartedly with you OP. Cancelled my account yesterday. Gonna dink around with EQ2 til Rift comes out. Been playing Beta of that and its actually a pretty amazing alternative to WOW. It will definately give Blizzard a run for their money.
WOW has created the worst player in this expansion. As a DPS who pulls 8-10k dps in Heroics I have been booted left and right from jerks, simple mistakes, and even pulling less then 10k dps. I'd admit if I was a terrible but the difficulty of these dungeons has turned players into monsters. Im sick of sitting in que for 30 minutes on a gamble if I am going to complete my heroic of the day or not. Yes I can always join a guild group and that is fine and dandy except that when I am able to play its usually not in tune with grouping with people that I know can finish an instance.
Its ok though. I finished all the quests in Cataclysm and i've done all the heroics. Tradeskills maxed and I feel bored. WOW is still one of my favorite game IPs and I truly hope that someday they can add a few more things for bored casuals to do. I can't believe I just said im a bored casual. Its true though.
Do you live in my brain? Exactly where I am at, but more like 12k deeps. Been booted for pulling threat. Anyway..it isn't fun anymore, feels like a chore.
I'm there too. I was healing perfectly fine on my Priest but getting ignored because I can't be a shammy or a druid is bogus. I didn't even let people DIE and I was being kicked from the heroics. Lame.
A great way to avoid being kicked for subpar DPS is to make some friends. Then invite them to your party and then queue up in a 3-5 man group and I seriously doubt you'll ever get kicked again. Also, to those complaining Cataclysm is retardedly hard because you wait 30 minutes for a group and then you might get kicked by jerks? There were times in Vanilla and BC that you would wait that long or longer to form a group, and depending on your population, people were just as big jerks.
Form groups on your server! It will take perhaps just as long, but it will be a lot better.
A great way to avoid being kicked for subpar DPS is to make some friends. Then invite them to your party and then queue up in a 3-5 man group and I seriously doubt you'll ever get kicked again. Also, to those complaining Cataclysm is retardedly hard because you wait 30 minutes for a group and then you might get kicked by jerks? There were times in Vanilla and BC that you would wait that long or longer to form a group, and depending on your population, people were just as big jerks.
Form groups on your server! It will take perhaps just as long, but it will be a lot better.
Wow. You'v e solved all of our woes. I wonder why none of us ever tried this?
Except that we did and it's a completely separate issue with it's own draw backs. I played wow off and on since release, and honestly lfd was new to wrath. So saying you had to form a group w/o lfd with this long forgotten super time consuming method oh so long ago isn't a whole lot different then what we were all doing in bc or early wrath.
And when you do recruit on your server it is likely in trade and you get what you get, some fail, some not. You friend what works out for you. But it is hardly a 30 minute affair. I'd argue it takes weeks or months to build a reliable friend list on most servers for heroics purposes. In most cases LFD even at 40 minutes in Q is still faster in the immediate term. Long term what you are saying has merit.
I don't mind the difficulty I've finished all the new heroics. What I mind is the 40 minute Q into a partial with 1 boss left and a group disband after 2 tries to be dumped right back into a 40 minute Q. But hey man it's all good! During those Q's I maxed archeology and now I can make this awesome windchime sound...woopdy farkin doo!
A great way to avoid being kicked for subpar DPS is to make some friends. Then invite them to your party and then queue up in a 3-5 man group and I seriously doubt you'll ever get kicked again. Also, to those complaining Cataclysm is retardedly hard because you wait 30 minutes for a group and then you might get kicked by jerks? There were times in Vanilla and BC that you would wait that long or longer to form a group, and depending on your population, people were just as big jerks.
Form groups on your server! It will take perhaps just as long, but it will be a lot better.
Wow. You'v e solved all of our woes. I wonder why none of us ever tried this?
I don't mind the difficulty I've finished all the new heroics. What I mind is the 40 minute Q into a partial with 1 boss left and a group disband after 2 tries to be dumped right back into a 40 minute Q. But hey man it's all good! During those Q's I maxed archeology and now I can make this awesome windchime sound...woopdy farkin doo!
The only really good thing about this expansion is the levelling the new zones and the questing. I put to you that this expansion was not made for the players this one was made for grind and profit over and above what an enjoyable game should be about.
The new mass rvr zone tol barad is full of pve, so in order to rep up with a pvp faction you have to pve alot outside of the event, if you win the event you then have to pve again to gain extra rep. It is not even fun pve it is collect 10 of x, kill 15 of x, take out captain x. Wintergrasp quests were all wrapped up with the event it was smooth and flowed. Dont get me started on no flying.
The PvE content heroic wise completely makes the dungeon finder tool redundant if you PUG expect to wipe for a couple of hours, in the rarest of cases you may be lucky, arguements and finger pointing are the normal, blizzard have actually managed to turn players on themselves. Even if you manage to complete a couple of heroics which might take most of your day you cannot purchase your t11, ok sure what about pvp.
Rated BGs you gain a good reward for these if you have a highly organised pvp raid of players. If you happen to join on your own forget it what you gain for your efforts is pitiful. No matter what happened with this game if I was with no guild or online on my own I could rely on just queuing up for some fun and getting somewhere for my efforts.
Raids are not pugable anymore it requires a dance troop routine style execution in order to complete. This I am ok with let the raiders have their time their glory but for gods sake do not penalise me everywhere else.
This is my warning to you, I have had a lot of experience with many games including a good history with wow. This is not a pick up and play game anymore if you want to achieve anything you will need to dedicate your time and energy into a proper raiding guild over many hours.
Once you have hit cap, leave cause getting to cap is the only content worth doing. Try it for yourself if you like but I warned you. I am hoping rifts pvp will give me what Im looking for.
For me personally Cataclysm is wow's swan song. I may return at some point and for the while will focus my time on my own activities, perhaps just crafting. Unless things change my 3 accounts for me and my family will remain shut and a competitor can have my money, does blizzard care for a drop in the ocean I don't know but I refuse to continue paying and vote with my feet.
I agree with absolutely everything you have said.
WOW have made the dungeon encounters into the horrible Japanese arcade flashing-light dance games. This is - or was - a combat RPG and now it's an arcade FPS.
I'm there too. I was healing perfectly fine on my Priest but getting ignored because I can't be a shammy or a druid is bogus. I didn't even let people DIE and I was being kicked from the heroics. Lame.
If you can heal with a priest in heroics, then you're a better man than I am, gunga din. I've got good equipment and my priest can't get past the first or second boss in a heroic.
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Do you even know point you were trying to make?
First of all, perhaps the man enjoys his game or cigarette? Second of all, smoking is no less bad for you than eating McDonalds a lot. People with HIGHER life expectancy smoke more. I've played World of Warcraft since closed beta and my relationships and my life hasn't really changed because of it. All the way back with AC2 when I first played an MMO nothing happened.
Are you going to MMORPG.com to tell people that play an MMO it's bad for their health? What are you doing? I don't get what you're attacking here. Someone plays same game for six years does not equal an "addict". Being addicted to games would mean if you spend a day or two from it, you can't stand it. However, that doesn't mean I won't keep an active sub, just because I'm going out of town for a week.
You're using straw man arguments and poor examples.
Not really as I'm trying to figure out/clarify the word 'addiction' that you keep using.
My references might not be the best ones but the ones I have are from; http://www.beatingaddictions.co.uk/ and www.medic8.com
'A dependence on a substance or behaviour which affects physical, psychological and emotional wellbeing'
What was you said about being 'intellectual'?
I assume you mean you are going by what the medical industry/professional then? Which logically flows that it can be anything by that definition? Like 'junk food', TV, DVDs, Music etc.
Now, if you can find some other definition that goes against what I posted, feel free to prove me wrong.
I will admit that the public and the medical industry don't see eye-to-eye when it comes to that definition.
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
My thread has been hijacked.
Anyway here is an old 40-60min video lecture on mmo addiction to an american university by a brit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNRWvabBRDc
jpnz, I'm not arguing the definition of addiction, but rather your examples. TV's and DVD's? please try to be serious. And stop using "logically follows" when expressing what is purely only your own speculative opinion. Rahter than ask me to provide an alternate definition, I'm going to ask you instead to provide as many research cases into your silly examples as there currently are for gaming addiction. Good luck
Lucious,
Clearly you know absolutely nothing about smoking and nicotine addiction. Every expert on the subject is in complete opposition to everything you just said. As an ex-smoker who's spent years enslaved to that drug beore finally breaking free, I know. You just said 2 classic BS lines smokers use btw.
"maybe they enjoy it"
really? They enjoy inhaling approximately 1000+ toxic chemicals, that don't do anything at all for you? since smoking doesn't actually do anything for you, what's the gain? Oh that's right, it's the artificial illusion of a boost which is actually only removing the addictive nicotine craving that was created by the cigarette you smoked. If you didn't smoke at all you'd be in that same level of contentedness all the time.
"longer life expectancy"
yeah like good old uncle Fred who smoked a billiom cigars and lived until he was 300 years old right?
Wrong. For every one of you misled people and your uncle Fred there's tens of thousands who die every year from smoking related illness. Get your head out of the sand. Straw man arguments... lol. hello pot, meet kettle.
fixed for accuracy. I could do the same thing from my garage speaking to my dog and have the same level of credibility.
Here's his unbiased (/sarcasm) source:
"I was asked to give a presentation on a subject of my choosing, due to my position as the owner of WoW Radio, since they thought my input might interest the students at the UAT. The idea behind it was to give a light-hearted look at the subject of addiction in MMORPGs, as well as a look at the oft-ignored positive aspects of social online gaming"
Cool, thanks for the link. I'll just stick to things like the Journal for Psychiatric Research, but thanks.
As far as I am concerned he is lecturing them on a subject at an educational establishment. I never asked for my thread to be fixed but I guess thanks for poking your nose in where it wasnt needed. People can judge for themselves they dont need you to colour it or are you arrogant enough to presume everyone needs to have your opinon?
Last I checked this guy had a lengthy history in social media and had broadcast a radio show for some years. Far more credentials to lecture than you in your garage at your dog huh. But you keep trying to teach your dog.
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see above, my post was edited. Nothing you just said changes the fact that some internet radio guy (oh, sorry! a lengthy history as an internet radio guy!) talking about psychology issues. I know this guy who's a fantastic private construction contractor. He has a "lengthy history" building high - end million dollar homes. He wanted to let you know that he's available if you ever want a "lecture" on astronomy.
I read the first few pages of this thread and find it hilarious that people are complaining that they can't just run through a dungeon and faceroll buttons to get epics.
I just re-subbed because the game is looking like it will actually have a bit of skill in it again. I cleared out of my bags the 40 or 50 epics I had for my warrior from wotlk and now I know when I get an epic it will actually be something close to an achievement.
I remember raiding in TBC on full decent blues and being happy when I started getting some epics. Epics meant nothing in wotlk, it was just all about gearscore, because who needs player skill anyway!
Now you need to smash your buttons but maybe time some of those a bit better.. be aware of what events are happening in a fight... bring some teamwork by cc'ing etc etc.
Well done Blizzard.... you have brought back that thing that was missing .... GAMEPLAY
Give it a couple of months, maybe a year... and we are back at "LFG Hogger, min ilvl 400" Hmmm... Hogger is now the big dog in Stockades, so probably be "LFG Stocks, min ilvl 400"
Wonder if there's a hc of stocks planned...
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I agree wholeheartedly with you OP. Cancelled my account yesterday. Gonna dink around with EQ2 til Rift comes out. Been playing Beta of that and its actually a pretty amazing alternative to WOW. It will definately give Blizzard a run for their money.
WOW has created the worst player in this expansion. As a DPS who pulls 8-10k dps in Heroics I have been booted left and right from jerks, simple mistakes, and even pulling less then 10k dps. I'd admit if I was a terrible but the difficulty of these dungeons has turned players into monsters. Im sick of sitting in que for 30 minutes on a gamble if I am going to complete my heroic of the day or not. Yes I can always join a guild group and that is fine and dandy except that when I am able to play its usually not in tune with grouping with people that I know can finish an instance.
Its ok though. I finished all the quests in Cataclysm and i've done all the heroics. Tradeskills maxed and I feel bored. WOW is still one of my favorite game IPs and I truly hope that someday they can add a few more things for bored casuals to do. I can't believe I just said im a bored casual. Its true though.
same here, bored even more as I try to max new archaeology skill, which means lot of travels & no portals means long & boring travels.
dungeon fight now means to me to jump & run around the boss as mad monkey, with desperate try to push some buttons & get interrupt at time ( done them all as well but don't feel any fun to do).
whole game mechanic is broken now, as game not required to use CC, interrupts or even tactics at any dungeons except after lvl 80 Cata instances. I wonder how guys who are not started at Vanilla could manage this. Best advice I hear: "they need to leave" from people who *stopped playing WoW for years now*; that means to me nobody will enjoy this game or may be only few rare person.
any other game I've played teach you how to use your abilities all long the leveling road, but not WoW.
hope GW 2 coming soon & will sure buy Rift, so as many others I will contribute to real Cata for Blizz.
try before buy, even if it's a game to avoid bad surprises.
Worst surprises for me: Aion, GW2
As a new player to WoW I must say that players have no idea how to group. I run a preist and only do instances and I would wager that 90% of the groups are horrid at agro management and basic group skills... like letting the tank lead or pull?!?!? Not to mention that as a DPS if you get agro you are not #1 on the heal list but will be on the revive list provided you do not bitch too much about getting yourself killed. I think that everyone should be forced to spend a week in a real group based MMO as part of the pre level 80 instances, make it like the drivers licenses in Gran Torismo, if you do not have the base skills you can not come in.
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Can't agree enough on the point that the "world" isn't there anymore.
Have not more to add to it really, you said it all.
I have no feel for this game anymore. So my time, beta to now, in the game have ceased.
We had our share of fun, wow and me, but it has nothing more to give me. It's a shame you can't get a refund for the expansion and the time paid.
Oh yeah... two things that actually was fun and epic, badlands("I'm gonna punch him in the face!") and goblin starterarea.
I'm done as well. The newly designed areas of WoW are cool especially the floating barge in the former Thousand Needles zone but after two weeks of play and 70 levels i cancelled my account because i'm sick of the dated game format of kill x, return y, go see z OVER and over and over. The only reason i chose to level years ago was to get to max level and get suitable gear to PVP. I refuse to waste any more time to get to the part of the game i like. I do not enjoy the monotonous, boring routine of leveling in MMO's. Come to think of it i never have. I want to log into a game, wage war against a virtual opponent and log out when i'm desire. I love the fantasy format of games for pvp combat but i need to find a FPS game thats about the fight and not about the path to the fight.
Global Agenda maybe?
Done here too. Been playing since release. It really is just a chat engine for me now. I have my own vent, that my friends and I use in between games. Having that has really replaced WoW for me. I'd go intro detail about what is I dont like, but I am sure someone else has covered it. It really has become that in between game for me.
Do you live in my brain? Exactly where I am at, but more like 12k deeps. Been booted for pulling threat. Anyway..it isn't fun anymore, feels like a chore.
I'm there too. I was healing perfectly fine on my Priest but getting ignored because I can't be a shammy or a druid is bogus. I didn't even let people DIE and I was being kicked from the heroics. Lame.
A great way to avoid being kicked for subpar DPS is to make some friends. Then invite them to your party and then queue up in a 3-5 man group and I seriously doubt you'll ever get kicked again. Also, to those complaining Cataclysm is retardedly hard because you wait 30 minutes for a group and then you might get kicked by jerks? There were times in Vanilla and BC that you would wait that long or longer to form a group, and depending on your population, people were just as big jerks.
Form groups on your server! It will take perhaps just as long, but it will be a lot better.
Wow. You'v e solved all of our woes. I wonder why none of us ever tried this?
Except that we did and it's a completely separate issue with it's own draw backs. I played wow off and on since release, and honestly lfd was new to wrath. So saying you had to form a group w/o lfd with this long forgotten super time consuming method oh so long ago isn't a whole lot different then what we were all doing in bc or early wrath.
And when you do recruit on your server it is likely in trade and you get what you get, some fail, some not. You friend what works out for you. But it is hardly a 30 minute affair. I'd argue it takes weeks or months to build a reliable friend list on most servers for heroics purposes. In most cases LFD even at 40 minutes in Q is still faster in the immediate term. Long term what you are saying has merit.
I don't mind the difficulty I've finished all the new heroics. What I mind is the 40 minute Q into a partial with 1 boss left and a group disband after 2 tries to be dumped right back into a 40 minute Q. But hey man it's all good! During those Q's I maxed archeology and now I can make this awesome windchime sound...woopdy farkin doo!
lmao, comedy gold
I agree with absolutely everything you have said.
WOW have made the dungeon encounters into the horrible Japanese arcade flashing-light dance games. This is - or was - a combat RPG and now it's an arcade FPS.
If you can heal with a priest in heroics, then you're a better man than I am, gunga din. I've got good equipment and my priest can't get past the first or second boss in a heroic.