You forget that he benefits from giving to charities it's a huge tax break. He also could be promoting only things that are in his interests, perhaps finding the brightest future programmers, giving them scholarships and then getting them to work for him. They feel like they owe something to M$ for the scholarship so rather than working say for an open source movement, which helps everyone, they now work for M$ and rob you blind. If you want to post your msg and blow sunshine up Bill Gates @$$ rather than say something like "I wonder how much so an so gave" do your research and find out how much they gave, and then compare the percentages. Gates has more money than he could ever spend, public opinion of him (at least by those that bother to do their research) is very low. I am sure not only his PR person but his financial advisor are the real reasons he donates so much. If all he wanted to do was his thing, that would be fine, but he does plenty to ensure that the little guy can't challenge him. You shoudl click Here and inform yourself on some of his less than honorable acts. Also click Here do a little research and get back to me when you have formed an original thought you sheep. [/rant]
Attitude is no substitute for Competence. ~Eric Raymond
Except under Article 1 Section 8 of the constitution the U.S. federal government does not have the right to spend money on education.
And even statewise we see that trying to use the route of public education is a complete and utter failure no matter how much money is invested into it.
Holy cow... Where did that come from? I think there is a lawyer in da house
Anyways, I personally love and hate microsoft. Right now, I love them much more than before because of all the software comming out (Spyware Blocker) etc. And, its FREE
Originally posted by Fitch You forget that he benefits from giving to charities it's a huge tax break. He also could be promoting only things that are in his interests, perhaps finding the brightest future programmers, giving them scholarships and then getting them to work for him. They feel like they owe something to M$ for the scholarship so rather than working say for an open source movement, which helps everyone, they now work for M$ and rob you blind.
Boy that is one HUGE speculation from way heck out there. So according to your opinion, programmers who are able to gain a college scholarship from Microsoft lack any and all ability to work under their own free will? suggesting that MicroSoft implanted some kind of control over these kids from the day they went to college? Do you wear tin foil hats too?
This place is full of tree-huggers and tofu fartn' faeries...
I did not say it was fact I did say "perhaps" I know that not everyone who gets a scholarship from M$ feel obligated to work for them if asked, but I am sure it happens. I am also sure that there are those that are made offers they simply can't refuse. I know there are those out there with more talent in their pinky that I have total that do their own thing. If you read my post and focused in on the one small part then you missed the bigger picture.
Attitude is no substitute for Competence. ~Eric Raymond
Originally posted by Drega are you saying giving money charities wasnt a good thing? I believe thats what he was saying.
What he was saying was, that those charities altogether's beliefs/lifestyles are evil, wrong, or whatever phrase or word he'd prefer to use, and thus so, it is not a good thing.
Which frankly, I'd have to agree with him.
"Fear not death; for the sooner we die, the longer shall we be immortal."
I dunno where your hostility comes from Vampyr but you need to take some pills and relax. The site I linked in my post does have opinions but it also has facts. Read it before you try attacking me.
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Originally posted by Harlee He probally does it to survive. I mean, he probally has one the biggest guilty consience ever...he's ripped so many people off, stabbed so many companies in the back, and ruined so many jobs for people.
Indeed he did and that what made him rich and that is bissness, he does give a lot to cherity *like with the tsunami disaster at Sri-lanka)
It is a good thing that he gives to charity, no doubt, and the people he gives to, like the tsunami relief, benefit from it. I would feel better about his giving if it wasnt doing him a favor as well. When it comes down to it ALL of the really wealthy people give huge sums to charity because of the tax implications. So though it is a good thing, it doesnt , by far, make him a saint or make up for the billions he has ripped off of people.
Attitude is no substitute for Competence. ~Eric Raymond
Except under Article 1 Section 8 of the constitution the U.S. federal government does not have the right to spend money on education. And even statewise we see that trying to use the route of public education is a complete and utter failure no matter how much money is invested into it.
Except, Article I, section 8 is the powers GRANTED to Congress. Even in section 9, where what powers that are denied of congress does it say that congress can not appropriate funds for public schools. The US. Government has funds set aside to give to states for the express purpose of education. (note, I have a copy of the Constitution on my lap as I am typing this.)
Next, time, you should do some research before you start typing.
Originally posted by Drega are you saying giving money charities wasnt a good thing? I believe thats what he was saying.
What he was saying was, that those charities altogether's beliefs/lifestyles are evil, wrong, or whatever phrase or word he'd prefer to use, and thus so, it is not a good thing.
Which frankly, I'd have to agree with him.
Ahhh I see where your going... well... whatever thats your sad state of life then. Just dont start quoting that passage in the bible where most of this hate comes from, alright?
This place is full of tree-huggers and tofu fartn' faeries...
Except under Article 1 Section 8 of the constitution the U.S. federal government does not have the right to spend money on education. And even statewise we see that trying to use the route of public education is a complete and utter failure no matter how much money is invested into it.
Except, Article I, section 8 is the powers GRANTED to Congress. Even in section 9, where what powers that are denied of congress does it say that congress can not appropriate funds for public schools. The US. Government has funds set aside to give to states for the express purpose of education. (note, I have a copy of the Constitution on my lap as I am typing this.)
Next, time, you should do some research before you start typing.
Sorry, but you just got PWNED
I would suggest the same for you.
Article I Section 8 gives the expenditure powers to Congress of what it can do. Not what it can't.
Meaning...It has no right to use tax payers dollars to put aside, and redistribute to the states for public education.
Let me state this plain and simple, ANYTHING THEY PUT THE TAXPAYERS DOLLARS TOWARDS THAT IS NOT UNDER ARTICLE I SECTION 8, IS ILLEGAL.
I'm not sure what you were trying to prove; considering the only thing you did prove is that the U.S. Government does so many illegal things, that if you tried to count them, it'd make your head spin.
"Fear not death; for the sooner we die, the longer shall we be immortal."
Lol, the constitution has been turned into nothing more then toilet paper, not like we've been using it for the past, I don't know decades. It'd be funny if it wasn't true.
Originally posted by Vercades Lol, the constitution has been turned into nothing more then toilet paper, not like we've been using it for the past, I don't know decades. It'd be funny if it wasn't true.
So true. But the first step to solving that is to remove that shroud of ignorance that permeates throughout society about the United States history, as well as foundational laws.
"Fear not death; for the sooner we die, the longer shall we be immortal."
Well I have always been a big suporter of Gates as a person and a human visionary. Im not really interested in who he supports or how much...
I do know this though....
If he had not been born it is arguable that mankind would not have advanced as far as we have in the past 30 years. Windows and MS products in general have done as much to drive the modern world as the Industrial Revolution did in the previous century.
If I had my way the Statue of Liberty would have a buddy right next to it and just as big... and that statue would be Bill Gates.
The way he is treated by morons who think they know better or could do better than he has done and by his own Government is shamefull. If I had his money I would have gone to a private island and told the rest of the world to blow me years ago... We are all lucky hes not as petulant as I am.
I will not hear a word against the guy and in decades to come everything I have said will be recognised and he will go down in history along with Einstein and other genuiuses of his time.
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Originally posted by Herithius Can't say much more about him. Granted some of those donations are for tax breaks, but nonetheless, the fact remains hes donated billions of dollars to help develop 3rd world countries across the world and combat AIDS. Compare that with what the rest of us have done to help others in our lives and its pretty humbling.
It's not humbling. Considering hes had what, 64 billion dollars at one point, giving a few billion dollars for him is like us middle class people giving a tenth of what we earn to church and charity. Lots of people give more of a percentage of their money than he does.
And if you're thinking, well that doesn't matter because he has billions of dollars, if we all could give billions of dollars, billions of dollars wouldn't mean anything. So, it's not really the amount you give, its how much of what you have you give.
The reason I said its humbling is because he actually is changing the world, on a noticable scale.
Its great that a person may give to a charity every xmas and perhaps a bigger perecentage of their wealth than Gates does, but does it change much of anything? Not really. Most of us are in this boat and while its commendable for people to help others when they can, we aren't changing the world. At best, one persons life, if that.
Gates made himself into the success he is and with that is able to(as one person through his efforts), help thousands if not millions of people across the world. One person being able to help sooo many is why I think its humbling.
Originally posted by Herithius The reason I said its humbling is because he actually is changing the world, on a noticable scale. Its great that a person may give to a charity every xmas and perhaps a bigger perecentage of their wealth than Gates does, but does it change much of anything? Not really. Most of us are in this boat and while its commendable for people to help others when they can, we aren't changing the world. At best, one persons life, if that. Gates made himself into the success he is and with that is able to(as one person through his efforts), help thousands if not millions of people across the world. One person being able to help sooo many is why I think its humbling.
We cant ALL change the world. You need to have followers to have the leaders that change the world. Some people are placed as followers for the leaders. The followers alltogether are just as important as the leaders. Bill Gates himself isn't really changing the world, Microsoft is.
Ok lets put the constitution thing to rest. The constitution is not chiseled in stone and unchangeable. It is a document that is interpreted. How do we know this? Because one branch of the government (supreme court anyone) is dedicated to interpreting the constitution. That said, anything written in the constitution can easily be argued for; what is omitted from the constitution is another matter all together and doesn't make it illegal in anyway. We currently have moneys set aside by the federal government for the schools; the constitution does not in anyway say specifically that congress can not do this, the supreme court seems to agree if in no other way then in not overturning these programs. Conclusion? That today with this current panel on the court the congress is well within their constitutional rights to procure Federal funding for public schools (or private schools for that matter)
Bill Gates gave away $2.3 billion you say? In five years? That is incredible and he should be applauded. Sure he may be worth over $30 billion; but that is stocks invested in microsoft. He can't go giving that money away. Would you give the deed of the house you live in to a charity? Bill makes maybe $35 mil a year. If he gave all of that money away over 5 years he'd have given away $175 mil. A mere 7% of what he actually gave. That means Bill dug deep into his pockets and cashed in potential income earning assets to be able to give that money.
Tax break you say? yes he gets a tax break but that doesn't mean shit really. Tax breaks really only come in handy as a way of saving money if it somehow puts you in a lower tax bracket. Bill being the richest man on earth, well no amount of tax breaks is going to put him in lower tax bracket. Simple example. You have $100 million. Anything over $1 mill is a 30% tax bracket in this fake economy I am putting forth(in actuality he will be taxed different depending on source of income. Profits, capital gains, interest etc) If you pay taxes on all of it then you have $70 mill left. So instead you give $20 mill to charity. This mock economy of mine has no charity cap so you can take that $20 mill right off the top and now have to pay taxes on only $80 mill leaving you $56 million dollars. So where on earth is $56 mill worth more then $70 mill? The reason Bill gives to charity is the same reason that most of the rich do; because they are going to have that money taken from them one way or another, at least by giving to charity he gets to decide where it goes. The fact that he gives to education, helps victims of natural disasters, and many others shoes that he cares for people. I mean he could donate all that money to search for little green men.
Is Bill a bastard? Yes. He has to be. He learned very early on that a man who runs everything does so a lot more efficiently and is able to make changes a lot quicker then anything done by committee or cooperating group of companies or a democratic government. The pitfall is that that man may become a twisted sicko someday; and so as people who don't have that power ourselves we tend to harbor feeling of hatred out of fear of what they could do if they so wanted.
Originally posted by Axala Arguments. I love them. Ok lets put the constitution thing to rest. The constitution is not chiseled in stone and unchangeable. It is a document that is interpreted. How do we know this? Because one branch of the government (supreme court anyone) is dedicated to interpreting the constitution. That said, anything written in the constitution can easily be argued for; what is omitted from the constitution is another matter all together and doesn't make it illegal in anyway. We currently have moneys set aside by the federal government for the schools; the constitution does not in anyway say specifically that congress can not do this, the supreme court seems to agree if in no other way then in not overturning these programs. Conclusion? That today with this current panel on the court the congress is well within their constitutional rights to procure Federal funding for public schools (or private schools for that matter) Bill Gates gave away $2.3 billion you say? In five years? That is incredible and he should be applauded. Sure he may be worth over $30 billion; but that is stocks invested in microsoft. He can't go giving that money away. Would you give the deed of the house you live in to a charity? Bill makes maybe $35 mil a year. If he gave all of that money away over 5 years he'd have given away $175 mil. A mere 7% of what he actually gave. That means Bill dug deep into his pockets and cashed in potential income earning assets to be able to give that money. Tax break you say? yes he gets a tax break but that doesn't mean shit really. Tax breaks really only come in handy as a way of saving money if it somehow puts you in a lower tax bracket. Bill being the richest man on earth, well no amount of tax breaks is going to put him in lower tax bracket. Simple example. You have $100 million. Anything over $1 mill is a 30% tax bracket in this fake economy I am putting forth(in actuality he will be taxed different depending on source of income. Profits, capital gains, interest etc) If you pay taxes on all of it then you have $70 mill left. So instead you give $20 mill to charity. This mock economy of mine has no charity cap so you can take that $20 mill right off the top and now have to pay taxes on only $80 mill leaving you $56 million dollars. So where on earth is $56 mill worth more then $70 mill? The reason Bill gives to charity is the same reason that most of the rich do; because they are going to have that money taken from them one way or another, at least by giving to charity he gets to decide where it goes. The fact that he gives to education, helps victims of natural disasters, and many others shoes that he cares for people. I mean he could donate all that money to search for little green men. Is Bill a bastard? Yes. He has to be. He learned very early on that a man who runs everything does so a lot more efficiently and is able to make changes a lot quicker then anything done by committee or cooperating group of companies or a democratic government. The pitfall is that that man may become a twisted sicko someday; and so as people who don't have that power ourselves we tend to harbor feeling of hatred out of fear of what they could do if they so wanted.
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Originally posted by Razorback Well I have always been a big suporter of Gates as a person and a human visionary. Im not really interested in who he supports or how much... I do know this though.... If he had not been born it is arguable that mankind would not have advanced as far as we have in the past 30 years. Windows and MS products in general have done as much to drive the modern world as the Industrial Revolution did in the previous century.
Ok first of all to say that mankind would not have advanced so far because of the absence of one person.. Is maybe outstepping the lines of probability. Human Intelligence is not a singular experience. We are social beings and that is how we learn. It is by communicating our feelings, ideas and experiences that we get smarter.
Yes the world would have been way different if there was no Bill Gates. But as far as technology goes.. I believe that the advancement of such is beyond Bill Gates and for that matter any other single entity. Bill Gates probably had alot of say in making MSDOS... But Now.. as far as windows has come.. I can say with much assurance that Bill Gates is not the one behind the terminal Coding LongHorn or the new Microsoft Word.
And dont think that without Bill we wouldn't have a GUI that we know today... because even as far back as 1968 Doug Engelbart had already came up with many of the ideas... that MicroSoft probably has a patent for now... You can watch the demo of his work on this site First Demo.
So If Bill Gates wasn't around we would still have a Graphical Interface windows type thing. And we would still have the couple hundred Computer Programmers that work for MicroSoft right now to make something just as good. And we would still have a huge Conglomerate that bullies other companies. Only difference is that It wouldn't be MicroSoft and there wouldn't be any "Windows" But maybe there would be a MacroHard and there might have been A "Doors".
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Originally posted by Copeland Originally posted by Fitch Furthermore, I haven't seen Mr. Copeland say ANYTHING else in defense of his statement. PERHAPS he was just trolling...
UM no i dont troll.. i dont see what there is to defend.. did you give a billion dollars away? NO ok then stfu
Originally posted by Drega are you saying giving money charities wasnt a good thing? I believe thats what he was saying.
What he was saying was, that those charities altogether's beliefs/lifestyles are evil, wrong, or whatever phrase or word he'd prefer to use, and thus so, it is not a good thing.
Which frankly, I'd have to agree with him.
Ahhh I see where your going... well... whatever thats your sad state of life then. Just dont start quoting that passage in the bible where most of this hate comes from, alright?
Hate? No hate...Just pity. Pity for people like you that support such a dark & abominable lifestyle, and pity for the people in that lifestyle that grope around in darkness.
Originally posted by Axala Ok lets put the constitution thing to rest. The constitution is not chiseled in stone and unchangeable. It is a document that is interpreted. How do we know this? Because one branch of the government (supreme court anyone) is dedicated to interpreting the constitution. That said, anything written in the constitution can easily be argued for; what is omitted from the constitution is another matter all together and doesn't make it illegal in anyway. We currently have moneys set aside by the federal government for the schools; the constitution does not in anyway say specifically that congress can not do this, the supreme court seems to agree if in no other way then in not overturning these programs. Conclusion? That today with this current panel on the court the congress is well within their constitutional rights to procure Federal funding for public schools (or private schools for that matter)
And this...is why we'll turn into a socialistic police state. Why? Because of people like you, whom think that "interpretation of constitution by U.S. Supreme court" means they can bend, and even break the constitution every which way.
Let me make this perfectly clear...THERE IS NOTHING TO INTERPRET. It is not written in hieroglyphics, it is plain and clear on what it says, and where it stands.
People like you think that it is impossible for the american people as a whole, except a few elected officials, to understand what the constitutions meaning was.
And for those of you who do not understand the meaning of the constitution for any reason at all, there is a little something called the Federalist Papers, which explains it quite explicitly.
I've said it previously, which for some reason you want to act obtuse about it, and ignore what was said. Article I Section 8 does not say what Congress can't use it's expenditure powers for. But rather what it can. Meaning anything they use it for that's outside of what Article I Section 8, is ILLEGAL, no matter what these fools in the supreme court make it out to be.
They've bent and broken the constitution so many times, and this is just another of those situations.
P.S. The Consitution is set in stone. Do you think the Forefathers were foolish enough to let the arbitrary wills and minds of a select few tear down what they built, by making a document that would of been worthless and as malleable as clay, formed into whatever toy, tool, or weapon they wanted it to be?
Yes, ammendments can be made, and repealed, they are as clay. But the articles are granite.
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This place is full of tree-huggers and tofu fartn' faeries...
You forget that he benefits from giving to charities it's a huge tax break. He also could be promoting only things that are in his interests, perhaps finding the brightest future programmers, giving them scholarships and then getting them to work for him. They feel like they owe something to M$ for the scholarship so rather than working say for an open source movement, which helps everyone, they now work for M$ and rob you blind. If you want to post your msg and blow sunshine up Bill Gates @$$ rather than say something like "I wonder how much so an so gave" do your research and find out how much they gave, and then compare the percentages. Gates has more money than he could ever spend, public opinion of him (at least by those that bother to do their research) is very low. I am sure not only his PR person but his financial advisor are the real reasons he donates so much. If all he wanted to do was his thing, that would be fine, but he does plenty to ensure that the little guy can't challenge him. You shoudl click Here and inform yourself on some of his less than honorable acts. Also click Here do a little research and get back to me when you have formed an original thought you sheep. [/rant]
Attitude is no substitute for Competence. ~Eric Raymond
Except under Article 1 Section 8 of the constitution the U.S. federal government does not have the right to spend money on education.
And even statewise we see that trying to use the route of public education is a complete and utter failure no matter how much money is invested into it.
Holy cow... Where did that come from? I think there is a lawyer in da house
Anyways, I personally love and hate microsoft. Right now, I love them much more than before because of all the software comming out (Spyware Blocker) etc. And, its FREE
This place is full of tree-huggers and tofu fartn' faeries...
I did not say it was fact I did say "perhaps" I know that not everyone who gets a scholarship from M$ feel obligated to work for them if asked, but I am sure it happens. I am also sure that there are those that are made offers they simply can't refuse. I know there are those out there with more talent in their pinky that I have total that do their own thing. If you read my post and focused in on the one small part then you missed the bigger picture.
Attitude is no substitute for Competence. ~Eric Raymond
Furthermore, I haven't seen Mr. Copeland say ANYTHING else in defense of his statement. PERHAPS he was just trolling...
Attitude is no substitute for Competence. ~Eric Raymond
What he was saying was, that those charities altogether's beliefs/lifestyles are evil, wrong, or whatever phrase or word he'd prefer to use, and thus so, it is not a good thing.
Which frankly, I'd have to agree with him.
"Fear not death; for the sooner we die, the longer shall we be immortal."
I dunno where your hostility comes from Vampyr but you need to take some pills and relax. The site I linked in my post does have opinions but it also has facts. Read it before you try attacking me.
Attitude is no substitute for Competence. ~Eric Raymond
Indeed he did and that what made him rich and that is bissness, he does give a lot to cherity *like with the tsunami disaster at Sri-lanka)
It is a good thing that he gives to charity, no doubt, and the people he gives to, like the tsunami relief, benefit from it. I would feel better about his giving if it wasnt doing him a favor as well. When it comes down to it ALL of the really wealthy people give huge sums to charity because of the tax implications. So though it is a good thing, it doesnt , by far, make him a saint or make up for the billions he has ripped off of people.
Attitude is no substitute for Competence. ~Eric Raymond
Except, Article I, section 8 is the powers GRANTED to Congress. Even in section 9, where what powers that are denied of congress does it say that congress can not appropriate funds for public schools. The US. Government has funds set aside to give to states for the express purpose of education. (note, I have a copy of the Constitution on my lap as I am typing this.)
Next, time, you should do some research before you start typing.
Sorry, but you just got PWNED
What he was saying was, that those charities altogether's beliefs/lifestyles are evil, wrong, or whatever phrase or word he'd prefer to use, and thus so, it is not a good thing.
Which frankly, I'd have to agree with him.
Ahhh I see where your going... well... whatever thats your sad state of life then. Just dont start quoting that passage in the bible where most of this hate comes from, alright?
This place is full of tree-huggers and tofu fartn' faeries...
Except, Article I, section 8 is the powers GRANTED to Congress. Even in section 9, where what powers that are denied of congress does it say that congress can not appropriate funds for public schools. The US. Government has funds set aside to give to states for the express purpose of education. (note, I have a copy of the Constitution on my lap as I am typing this.)
Next, time, you should do some research before you start typing.
Sorry, but you just got PWNED
I would suggest the same for you.
Article I Section 8 gives the expenditure powers to Congress of what it can do. Not what it can't.
Meaning...It has no right to use tax payers dollars to put aside, and redistribute to the states for public education.
Let me state this plain and simple, ANYTHING THEY PUT THE TAXPAYERS DOLLARS TOWARDS THAT IS NOT UNDER ARTICLE I SECTION 8, IS ILLEGAL.
I'm not sure what you were trying to prove; considering the only thing you did prove is that the U.S. Government does so many illegal things, that if you tried to count them, it'd make your head spin.
"Fear not death; for the sooner we die, the longer shall we be immortal."
"Fear not death; for the sooner we die, the longer shall we be immortal."
Well I have always been a big suporter of Gates as a person and a human visionary. Im not really interested in who he supports or how much...
I do know this though....
If he had not been born it is arguable that mankind would not have advanced as far as we have in the past 30 years. Windows and MS products in general have done as much to drive the modern world as the Industrial Revolution did in the previous century.
If I had my way the Statue of Liberty would have a buddy right next to it and just as big... and that statue would be Bill Gates.
The way he is treated by morons who think they know better or could do better than he has done and by his own Government is shamefull. If I had his money I would have gone to a private island and told the rest of the world to blow me years ago... We are all lucky hes not as petulant as I am.
I will not hear a word against the guy and in decades to come everything I have said will be recognised and he will go down in history along with Einstein and other genuiuses of his time.
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It's not humbling. Considering hes had what, 64 billion dollars at one point, giving a few billion dollars for him is like us middle class people giving a tenth of what we earn to church and charity. Lots of people give more of a percentage of their money than he does.
And if you're thinking, well that doesn't matter because he has billions of dollars, if we all could give billions of dollars, billions of dollars wouldn't mean anything. So, it's not really the amount you give, its how much of what you have you give.
The reason I said its humbling is because he actually is changing the world, on a noticable scale.
Its great that a person may give to a charity every xmas and perhaps a bigger perecentage of their wealth than Gates does, but does it change much of anything? Not really. Most of us are in this boat and while its commendable for people to help others when they can, we aren't changing the world. At best, one persons life, if that.
Gates made himself into the success he is and with that is able to(as one person through his efforts), help thousands if not millions of people across the world. One person being able to help sooo many is why I think its humbling.
UM no i dont troll.. i dont see what there is to defend.. did you give a billion dollars away? NO ok then stfu
Make a difference!
We cant ALL change the world. You need to have followers to have the leaders that change the world. Some people are placed as followers for the leaders. The followers alltogether are just as important as the leaders.
Bill Gates himself isn't really changing the world, Microsoft is.
Arguments. I love them.
Ok lets put the constitution thing to rest. The constitution is not chiseled in stone and unchangeable. It is a document that is interpreted. How do we know this? Because one branch of the government (supreme court anyone) is dedicated to interpreting the constitution. That said, anything written in the constitution can easily be argued for; what is omitted from the constitution is another matter all together and doesn't make it illegal in anyway. We currently have moneys set aside by the federal government for the schools; the constitution does not in anyway say specifically that congress can not do this, the supreme court seems to agree if in no other way then in not overturning these programs. Conclusion? That today with this current panel on the court the congress is well within their constitutional rights to procure Federal funding for public schools (or private schools for that matter)
Bill Gates gave away $2.3 billion you say? In five years? That is incredible and he should be applauded. Sure he may be worth over $30 billion; but that is stocks invested in microsoft. He can't go giving that money away. Would you give the deed of the house you live in to a charity? Bill makes maybe $35 mil a year. If he gave all of that money away over 5 years he'd have given away $175 mil. A mere 7% of what he actually gave. That means Bill dug deep into his pockets and cashed in potential income earning assets to be able to give that money.
Tax break you say? yes he gets a tax break but that doesn't mean shit really. Tax breaks really only come in handy as a way of saving money if it somehow puts you in a lower tax bracket. Bill being the richest man on earth, well no amount of tax breaks is going to put him in lower tax bracket. Simple example. You have $100 million. Anything over $1 mill is a 30% tax bracket in this fake economy I am putting forth(in actuality he will be taxed different depending on source of income. Profits, capital gains, interest etc) If you pay taxes on all of it then you have $70 mill left. So instead you give $20 mill to charity. This mock economy of mine has no charity cap so you can take that $20 mill right off the top and now have to pay taxes on only $80 mill leaving you $56 million dollars. So where on earth is $56 mill worth more then $70 mill? The reason Bill gives to charity is the same reason that most of the rich do; because they are going to have that money taken from them one way or another, at least by giving to charity he gets to decide where it goes. The fact that he gives to education, helps victims of natural disasters, and many others shoes that he cares for people. I mean he could donate all that money to search for little green men.
Is Bill a bastard? Yes. He has to be. He learned very early on that a man who runs everything does so a lot more efficiently and is able to make changes a lot quicker then anything done by committee or cooperating group of companies or a democratic government. The pitfall is that that man may become a twisted sicko someday; and so as people who don't have that power ourselves we tend to harbor feeling of hatred out of fear of what they could do if they so wanted.
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Ok first of all to say that mankind would not have advanced so far because of the absence of one person.. Is maybe outstepping the lines of probability.
Human Intelligence is not a singular experience. We are social beings and that is how we learn. It is by communicating our feelings, ideas and experiences that we get smarter.
Yes the world would have been way different if there was no Bill Gates. But as far as technology goes.. I believe that the advancement of such is beyond Bill Gates and for that matter any other single entity.
Bill Gates probably had alot of say in making MSDOS... But Now.. as far as windows has come.. I can say with much assurance that Bill Gates is not the one behind the terminal Coding LongHorn or the new Microsoft Word.
And dont think that without Bill we wouldn't have a GUI that we know today... because even as far back as 1968 Doug Engelbart had already came up with many of the ideas... that MicroSoft probably has a patent for now... You can watch the demo of his work on this site First Demo.
So If Bill Gates wasn't around we would still have a Graphical Interface windows type thing. And we would still have the couple hundred Computer Programmers that work for MicroSoft right now to make something just as good. And we would still have a huge Conglomerate that bullies other companies.
Only difference is that It wouldn't be MicroSoft and there wouldn't be any "Windows" But maybe there would be a MacroHard and there might have been A "Doors".
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UM no i dont troll.. i dont see what there is to defend.. did you give a billion dollars away? NO ok then stfu
well, thats certainly a convincing argument...
Hate? No hate...Just pity. Pity for people like you that support such a dark & abominable lifestyle, and pity for the people in that lifestyle that grope around in darkness.
Originally posted by Axala
Ok lets put the constitution thing to rest. The constitution is not chiseled in stone and unchangeable. It is a document that is interpreted. How do we know this? Because one branch of the government (supreme court anyone) is dedicated to interpreting the constitution. That said, anything written in the constitution can easily be argued for; what is omitted from the constitution is another matter all together and doesn't make it illegal in anyway. We currently have moneys set aside by the federal government for the schools; the constitution does not in anyway say specifically that congress can not do this, the supreme court seems to agree if in no other way then in not overturning these programs. Conclusion? That today with this current panel on the court the congress is well within their constitutional rights to procure Federal funding for public schools (or private schools for that matter)
And this...is why we'll turn into a socialistic police state. Why? Because of people like you, whom think that "interpretation of constitution by U.S. Supreme court" means they can bend, and even break the constitution every which way.
Let me make this perfectly clear...THERE IS NOTHING TO INTERPRET. It is not written in hieroglyphics, it is plain and clear on what it says, and where it stands.
People like you think that it is impossible for the american people as a whole, except a few elected officials, to understand what the constitutions meaning was.
And for those of you who do not understand the meaning of the constitution for any reason at all, there is a little something called the Federalist Papers, which explains it quite explicitly.
I've said it previously, which for some reason you want to act obtuse about it, and ignore what was said. Article I Section 8 does not say what Congress can't use it's expenditure powers for. But rather what it can. Meaning anything they use it for that's outside of what Article I Section 8, is ILLEGAL, no matter what these fools in the supreme court make it out to be.
They've bent and broken the constitution so many times, and this is just another of those situations.
P.S. The Consitution is set in stone. Do you think the Forefathers were foolish enough to let the arbitrary wills and minds of a select few tear down what they built, by making a document that would of been worthless and as malleable as clay, formed into whatever toy, tool, or weapon they wanted it to be?
Yes, ammendments can be made, and repealed, they are as clay. But the articles are granite.
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