I'm sorry, I know its new, but the game just doesn't look good enough to warrant such poor performance. I can max every single other MMO out there but right now, on my Phenom II x4 / 5870 I'm getting worse performance than Crysis. To me, that's a dealbreaker. Optimize the engine or don't release the game, there's no way the slightly above average graphics of Rift should be taxing my system like they are.
Something is wrong with your machine then. I run this game on high at 32-36 FPS using a intel Q8300 2.5ghz quad, 4gb of ddr2 800 and a 8800gt 512mb card. Parts in my machine (gfx/ram) are 3 years old or more.
I'm running a similar older rig, dell xps410 with an evga nvidia 8800gt SSC (1gb RAM), getting 25 FPS on ultra settings. No complaints so far in my first hour.
i doubt you getting 25fps with that machine, pics or didnt happen
I'll get ya pics when it is back up. I hope you guys realized, the reference to 1gb is what is on the video card. 3gb is in the machine itself ( ' :
As you rightly point out, given it's a 4.5 year old machine running a 3.5 year old card, that's pretty decent given ultra settings.
Edit - screen shot added. Going between 31 and 25 fps, this is 29.
I'm sorry, I know its new, but the game just doesn't look good enough to warrant such poor performance. I can max every single other MMO out there but right now, on my Phenom II x4 / 5870 I'm getting worse performance than Crysis. To me, that's a dealbreaker. Optimize the engine or don't release the game, there's no way the slightly above average graphics of Rift should be taxing my system like they are.
Something is wrong with your machine then. I run this game on high at 32-36 FPS using a intel Q8300 2.5ghz quad, 4gb of ddr2 800 and a 8800gt 512mb card. Parts in my machine (gfx/ram) are 3 years old or more.
I'm running a similar older rig, dell xps410 with an evga nvidia 8800gt SSC (1gb RAM), getting 25 FPS on ultra settings. No complaints so far in my first hour.
You realize 25 frames is horrible right?
you realize standard smooth animation is 30 frames per second, right?
I'm sorry, I know its new, but the game just doesn't look good enough to warrant such poor performance. I can max every single other MMO out there but right now, on my Phenom II x4 / 5870 I'm getting worse performance than Crysis. To me, that's a dealbreaker. Optimize the engine or don't release the game, there's no way the slightly above average graphics of Rift should be taxing my system like they are.
Something is wrong with your machine then. I run this game on high at 32-36 FPS using a intel Q8300 2.5ghz quad, 4gb of ddr2 800 and a 8800gt 512mb card. Parts in my machine (gfx/ram) are 3 years old or more.
I'm running a similar older rig, dell xps410 with an evga nvidia 8800gt SSC (1gb RAM), getting 25 FPS on ultra settings. No complaints so far in my first hour.
You realize 25 frames is horrible right?
you realize standard smooth animation is 30 frames per second, right?
Sadly, the engine is a tweaked version of the Warhammer engine developed by people who made Warhammer. It's gonna lag regardless of how much hardware you throw at it.
I hope I'm wrong, but the precedent is hard to ignore.
This has nothing to do with the engin at all. If you were around for the first beta's you would know how smooth this thing can run. That being said they only had around 50k max by the end of beta 4 spread out over 16 servers or so between EU and US. Now they have all the pre-orders and all the mass VIP code grabers the population has exploded. I read a few days ago something about steam saying nearly 300k pre orders for Rift over the past couple of weeks. Now add that to Trions sales, Gamestop sales, Amazon sales and D2D. This is and was a planned stress test, and I for one am thankful they are doing it now rather than wait till a week or two before release and botch it. And givin what I have seen since the start I have no doubt in my mind they will get this fixed in no time, as they have with everything else in the past. As a matter of fact servers where just broght down a little bit ago for a server stability patch. Just give it a day or two and then seen how things are running, thats when judgement should be passed. Not just a few hours after servers open on the first Stress Test day.
We were told the exact same thing in the Warhammer beta. I realy hope they do pull it off, but its pretty much deja'vu at this point.
Again not at all. I was in WAR's beta as well and they never did a real stress test before launch. I dont think they ever got more than 150k people playing before they released. Then come launch day no stress test at all to speak of and they crash and burn for a week before they can figure it out.
Dont know what WAR you were playing, because in NA WAR was fine after it launched, there was no crashing, at least not to a major extent on the majority of servers.
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling" Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
Different people have different visual acuity and aesthetic sensibilities, and while 30 might be great for some people, it might look choppy and terrible to others.
Just look at old films versus modern television. You will notice a difference in the framerate. The simple truth is, 60 fps is smoother to most eyes than 30, but for most people, 30 still looks just fine, even if they can tell a difference.
"Gamers will no longer buy the argument that every MMO requires a subscription fee to offset server and bandwidth costs. It's not true you know it, and they know it." Jeff Strain, co-founder of ArenaNet, 2007
Different people have different visual acuity and aesthetic sensibilities, and while 30 might be great for some people, it might look choppy and terrible to others.
Just look at old films versus modern television. You will notice a difference in the framerate. The simple truth is, 60 fps is smoother to most eyes than 30, but for most people, 30 still looks just fine, even if they can tell a difference.
I agree with this....I find between 28-30 fps perfectably acceptable but 60 is noticeably more fluid but is hardly mandatory for my personal enjoyment,but I don't disparage other's who feel differently.
Sadly, the engine is a tweaked version of the Warhammer engine developed by people who made Warhammer. It's gonna lag regardless of how much hardware you throw at it.
I hope I'm wrong, but the precedent is hard to ignore.
This has nothing to do with the engin at all. If you were around for the first beta's you would know how smooth this thing can run. That being said they only had around 50k max by the end of beta 4 spread out over 16 servers or so between EU and US. Now they have all the pre-orders and all the mass VIP code grabers the population has exploded. I read a few days ago something about steam saying nearly 300k pre orders for Rift over the past couple of weeks. Now add that to Trions sales, Gamestop sales, Amazon sales and D2D. This is and was a planned stress test, and I for one am thankful they are doing it now rather than wait till a week or two before release and botch it. And givin what I have seen since the start I have no doubt in my mind they will get this fixed in no time, as they have with everything else in the past. As a matter of fact servers where just broght down a little bit ago for a server stability patch. Just give it a day or two and then seen how things are running, thats when judgement should be passed. Not just a few hours after servers open on the first Stress Test day.
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There are tons of people who are complaining about performance issues (myself included), and yet there are also tons of people who have no issues and swear it's just our PCs. Actually, I think the latter group is correct. The game is not optimized for our particular PC setups, and that's a bit of a problem.
WoW is as successful as it is because anyone can play it, even using a netbook. If Rift or any other MMORPG wants to succeed, they're going to have to find that right balance between visual appeal and quality performance. Thus far, only LotRO and Aion have made any attempt at getting that right since the release of WoW. Meanwhile, games like AoC, EQ2, VG, and Rift are released or are soon to be released and are far from fully optimized.
Wanted to see the performance this morning before going to school. As the performance was horrible the last Beta test.
I noticed the option for Anti Aliasing so i enabled it and went ingame... 14 to 17 FPS... nice!!
This one a Core i7 920 @ 4.2 Ghz, 6gb 2400Mhz ram, and an ATI 5870 on 1920x1200 Resolution. A reason for me not to buy the game unless they fix it, i can play Crysis and Metro 2033 alot better!
It seems there is an issue with the very latest generation of graphics cards, especially ATI. Makes me wonder if I should go ahead with the purchase of the new computer I've been planning for a while. My own system runs at 25-30 fps and is now two years old, while at the time it was top notch.
Edit: That framerate is with 2x anti alias and an nvidia 295GTX.
Couple of things. Standard for film is 24fps. Standard for smooth gameplay is 60fps. Less than that and you can see frames drop if you pay attention.
On topic... yes the engine performance is poor. In beta 2 it got better, in beta 3 it got a lot better but its still CPU limited and doesn't quite tax the CPU like it should, ie all cores pegged. On my 4890 GPU use is only around ~70% and the AMD 965 sits around 60%. Not low enough performance not to play, but not great either. Except for EQ2 this rig flies with other MMOs.
It seems there is an issue with the very latest generation of graphics cards, especially ATI. Makes me wonder if I should go ahead with the purchase of the new computer I've been planning for a while. My own system runs at 25-30 fps and is now two years old, while at the time it was top notch.
Edit: That framerate is with 2x anti alias and an nvidia 295GTX.
Hmm, so issues might be related to dual-GPUs and AMDs 5-series?
Some guy was moaning on my server for four hours on how his nvidia 470 SLI was giving him bad frame rate. Directing him to feedback forms and GM support didn't stop him from spamming the same message over and over again. The problem is understandable, the behaviour though, not so much.
And my connection, FPS, everything was fine at high settings with smooth edges on - AA made the framerate a bit crap, but I think everyone experienced that to be honest.
M
"Regard your soldiers as your children, and they will follow you into the deepest valleys. Look on them as your own beloved sons, and they will stand by you even unto death!" - Sun Tzu, the Art of War
After short testing on ultra around 20-30FPS, everything max 5-15...
Still, have people maxed everything out? What do they expect, optimization is a long process, also MMOs might go for future so max isn't even meant for todays top HW...
This seems to be the trend I see for the past 3 years or so. Every time we have a beta of a major game, we'll get these fellows popping up complaining about something that seems to be of a generic, but common issue.
I read absolutely nothing in the post but that he has, apparently, a "killer" rig and Rift's engine shouldn't be taxing his system.
I guess we define this as trolls, i know, but I see something else here. A pattern. Conspiracy? Who knows, but these guys appear and will remain in one form or another up through the game release, then they hit another game.
You all decide, but I do believe that it is entirely possible that they work for another company. I for one am of the mind that if we hang in there as a community and fight this sort of diatribe on these game-neutral sites, it can only help strengthen the game.
We need competition. There are other games releasing. Go and try those game, but for the sake of this genre choose one and hang in there. Posts of this nature do not help. Especially for the many that are on the sidelines waiting.
Rift is just fine folks I have gone through two previous betas with very little problem. My computer is averaging about 30 to 35 fps and it's an ok machine, not a "monster" rig, but designed for gaming. Use your head when reading these posts.
Thanks,
Alyn
All I want is the truth Just gimme some truth John Lennon
Hey! At the moment I am in the defiant tutorial Zone and with not much happening on the screen and Edge Smoothing activated (=x1 AA) I have around 35-37 fps. When many people are fighting the fps drop by ten I would say. Massive Rift Raids like in the past Beta events where slideshow orgies . I always had to switch graphic to a much lower quality.
But the main problem is that the the fps drop to 20 when I activate 2x AA and to 15 when I activate 4x AA.
Here is my system:
mainboard: Asus M4A785TD-V Evo
cpu: Amd Phenom II X4 945
ram: G.Skill 2gb DDR3 Ram
May it be possible that this is due to my Low RAM? I had 4gb but 2gb got broken and I want to play the game with high AA because it looks so much better and my eyes start to burn after a few hours of playing with the low AA due to the omnipresent flickering?
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I'll get ya pics when it is back up. I hope you guys realized, the reference to 1gb is what is on the video card. 3gb is in the machine itself ( ' :
As you rightly point out, given it's a 4.5 year old machine running a 3.5 year old card, that's pretty decent given ultra settings.
Edit - screen shot added. Going between 31 and 25 fps, this is 29.
It's 60.
It's 30.
Dont know what WAR you were playing, because in NA WAR was fine after it launched, there was no crashing, at least not to a major extent on the majority of servers.
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling"
Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
Different people have different visual acuity and aesthetic sensibilities, and while 30 might be great for some people, it might look choppy and terrible to others.
Just look at old films versus modern television. You will notice a difference in the framerate. The simple truth is, 60 fps is smoother to most eyes than 30, but for most people, 30 still looks just fine, even if they can tell a difference.
"Gamers will no longer buy the argument that every MMO requires a subscription fee to offset server and bandwidth costs. It's not true you know it, and they know it." Jeff Strain, co-founder of ArenaNet, 2007
WTF? No subscription fee?
I agree with this....I find between 28-30 fps perfectably acceptable but 60 is noticeably more fluid but is hardly mandatory for my personal enjoyment,but I don't disparage other's who feel differently.
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There are tons of people who are complaining about performance issues (myself included), and yet there are also tons of people who have no issues and swear it's just our PCs. Actually, I think the latter group is correct. The game is not optimized for our particular PC setups, and that's a bit of a problem.
WoW is as successful as it is because anyone can play it, even using a netbook. If Rift or any other MMORPG wants to succeed, they're going to have to find that right balance between visual appeal and quality performance. Thus far, only LotRO and Aion have made any attempt at getting that right since the release of WoW. Meanwhile, games like AoC, EQ2, VG, and Rift are released or are soon to be released and are far from fully optimized.
Here is one link towards nvidia drivers (particular one for win7 64bit 580 card):
http://www.nvidia.co.uk/object/win7-winvista-64bit-266.58-whql-driver-uk.html
Highlights from the notes:
NVIDIA SLI
Adds SLI profiles for the following PC games:
Rift: Planes of Telara
I assume that performance is optimised both from the hardware and software end.
Didn't go for MAX, which might be an issue for some...
Stil completly playable on Q9300, 4870 512MB, 8GB system on 1920x1200 bordeless...
Wanted to see the performance this morning before going to school. As the performance was horrible the last Beta test.
I noticed the option for Anti Aliasing so i enabled it and went ingame... 14 to 17 FPS... nice!!
This one a Core i7 920 @ 4.2 Ghz, 6gb 2400Mhz ram, and an ATI 5870 on 1920x1200 Resolution. A reason for me not to buy the game unless they fix it, i can play Crysis and Metro 2033 alot better!
It seems there is an issue with the very latest generation of graphics cards, especially ATI. Makes me wonder if I should go ahead with the purchase of the new computer I've been planning for a while. My own system runs at 25-30 fps and is now two years old, while at the time it was top notch.
Edit: That framerate is with 2x anti alias and an nvidia 295GTX.
Couple of things. Standard for film is 24fps. Standard for smooth gameplay is 60fps. Less than that and you can see frames drop if you pay attention.
On topic... yes the engine performance is poor. In beta 2 it got better, in beta 3 it got a lot better but its still CPU limited and doesn't quite tax the CPU like it should, ie all cores pegged. On my 4890 GPU use is only around ~70% and the AMD 965 sits around 60%. Not low enough performance not to play, but not great either. Except for EQ2 this rig flies with other MMOs.
Hmm, so issues might be related to dual-GPUs and AMDs 5-series?
Some guy was moaning on my server for four hours on how his nvidia 470 SLI was giving him bad frame rate. Directing him to feedback forms and GM support didn't stop him from spamming the same message over and over again. The problem is understandable, the behaviour though, not so much.
Hmmm, I have to say with my specs:
6550 Core2Duo
Gigabyte 8800GT slightly OC'd
2gb Corsair RAM
internet connect: Wireless Orange Dongle...
Resolution: 1920x1080
And my connection, FPS, everything was fine at high settings with smooth edges on - AA made the framerate a bit crap, but I think everyone experienced that to be honest.
M
"Regard your soldiers as your children, and they will follow you into the deepest valleys. Look on them as your own beloved sons, and they will stand by you even unto death!"
- Sun Tzu, the Art of War
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After short testing on ultra around 20-30FPS, everything max 5-15...
Still, have people maxed everything out? What do they expect, optimization is a long process, also MMOs might go for future so max isn't even meant for todays top HW...
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This seems to be the trend I see for the past 3 years or so. Every time we have a beta of a major game, we'll get these fellows popping up complaining about something that seems to be of a generic, but common issue.
I read absolutely nothing in the post but that he has, apparently, a "killer" rig and Rift's engine shouldn't be taxing his system.
I guess we define this as trolls, i know, but I see something else here. A pattern. Conspiracy? Who knows, but these guys appear and will remain in one form or another up through the game release, then they hit another game.
You all decide, but I do believe that it is entirely possible that they work for another company. I for one am of the mind that if we hang in there as a community and fight this sort of diatribe on these game-neutral sites, it can only help strengthen the game.
We need competition. There are other games releasing. Go and try those game, but for the sake of this genre choose one and hang in there. Posts of this nature do not help. Especially for the many that are on the sidelines waiting.
Rift is just fine folks I have gone through two previous betas with very little problem. My computer is averaging about 30 to 35 fps and it's an ok machine, not a "monster" rig, but designed for gaming. Use your head when reading these posts.
Thanks,
Alyn
All I want is the truth
Just gimme some truth
John Lennon
Play on HIGH nothing else or you may experience problems.
9800 GT, Fatality 550W, 4GB Ram, 1920x1080 and I run smooth 24/7 even when im fighting of the Defiant zerg.
Peoples result seem very random as of lately.
I run Rift just fine honestly with a constant 40-55 FPS.
My specs:
HD 5870
6gb ram
i7 950 3.1ghz
win 7 64bit
I did have problems with my last pc hardware - what was a E6600, 2gig ram, HD 4870 and win 7 64bit - was getting around 2-20fps
yeah well.....my tweaked pc (Q6600, 4gig ram, nvidia 9600 GT 1gig) usualy get around 40fps and drops to 25 sometimes.
Most of the time my fps would around 30-35 fps (witch is very playable imo).
I get around 20 fps, sometimes lower on average settings
GTX260M, i7 Q720, 1.60Ghz, 4gig DDR3 .
Is 105 degree celsius high for GPU temperature in a notebook?
Insanely.
Don't use your notebook.
He who keeps his cool best wins.
Hey! At the moment I am in the defiant tutorial Zone and with not much happening on the screen and Edge Smoothing activated (=x1 AA) I have around 35-37 fps. When many people are fighting the fps drop by ten I would say. Massive Rift Raids like in the past Beta events where slideshow orgies
. I always had to switch graphic to a much lower quality.
But the main problem is that the the fps drop to 20 when I activate 2x AA and to 15 when I activate 4x AA.
Here is my system:
mainboard: Asus M4A785TD-V Evo
cpu: Amd Phenom II X4 945
ram: G.Skill 2gb DDR3 Ram
May it be possible that this is due to my Low RAM? I had 4gb but 2gb got broken and I want to play the game with high AA because it looks so much better and my eyes start to burn after a few hours of playing with the low AA due to the omnipresent flickering?
or doesnt ram influence AA?
What's your graphics card? AA puts heavy load on your GPU. Getting a total of 4GB+ of Ram would help since I know Rift takes about 1900 for me.
He who keeps his cool best wins.