Because I am going to play? haha Oh no. Not at all.
I like witnessing loud-mouth people have their dreams shattered, proven wrong, making excuses, rage, report others, ALL CAPS, etc etc. AAA flops are the BEST!!
The real question is, will anyone learn from it? Probably not.
Misery loves company. My question is what will you do if the game is actually a success?
The serious question is, what will we - the player community - do if it is a failure. How will we get it through to the developers' heads that the kind of things they are currently creating are not satisying our playing needs.
We all kinow that Bioware has a pretty good record in creating games. However I'd say the industry average for successful MMOs is actually very poor. I'm not a mathematician but I'd guess that it was a less than 50-50 chance. Let's hope Bioware beats the odds.
This is my biggest fear because if it does fail the suits won't look at the game's solocentric nature they'll fault the story-driven gameplay as something the playerbase doesn't want and then we'll all be stuck with more of what we already have.
Toxilium: While I agree that TOR will probably be the best MMO ever, I disagree with your reasons. Your reasons is very fanboishy. "Just because it's Star Wars and like World of Warcraft and it is made from BioWare it will be the best game ever."
1. Star Wars isn't always what it cracks up to be. The NGE hit Star Wars Galaxies to make it more, "iconic" and, "Star Warsy", in the reduction of true playable content and it screwed everything up! And have you've tried the other SW MMO, Clone War Adventures? It's a kids' game!
2. World of Warcraft is not THAT great. And this game won't be EXACTLY like it anyways. I would rather see improvements from WoW than an identical copy of it, and so far I haven't been disappointed. More on that later.
3. BioWare has made some great games, but how do you absolutely know this will be one of them?
Now here are some real reasons you should get excited for TOR:
1. Over 300 Million has been spent creating and developing this game. The only MMO that comes close to that is World of Warcraft.
2. There will be over 15 large planets to explore and discover.
3. TOR adapted WoW's talent system and made it better. You become one of two and then you have two trees to go from there, in total, four skill trees per class. World of Warcraft only has three skill trees, and after Cata hit you could only use one of those trees until near-end game.
4. Complete voice-over acting.
5. Although it is kind of important this is made by BioWare, I think what is more important that this is the successor of KOTOR games, in more specific terms the first one (not saying the second one was bad, but it didn't have half as decent of a story). KOTOR to me is one of the greatest games of all time and this is its successor, meaning it will probably be better.
6. The option to do crafting as you will, or let your crew craft for you.
I think my biggest worry, if it fails, is that companies won't put a lot of effort and money into big games anymore. So we'll see a bunch of half run quick shot games as it's not worth the time ot make a really big production type one such as tor is.
The biggest problem is if someone like bioware (i know companies don't mean everything but BW isn't just your every day indie company) can't make a game that will appeal to the masses, then most companies will generally see it as a bad venture to spend any kind of money on it. (basic thinking would be along these lines: Spend alot, spend a little, doesn't matter gets the same result. Mind as well spend a little. least that way we get our money back).
Personally i think it's more of what ToR stands for then what the game is itself. It's more of a testament if a big name company tries to make a game with a lot of production and money thrown at it. Will it work?
I'd think for the general populace of MMOs that they would hope ti does so other companies see how profitable it is to make games of this size and invest in it themselves.
Personally a failure of this game would hurt the MMOs more then help. Whereas a success would really bring more interests (kinda like what Blizzard did for the genre).
Just my personal view of course.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
Personally a failure of this game would hurt the MMOs more then help. Whereas a success would really bring more interests (kinda like what Blizzard did for the genre).
Just great. If ToR is a failure MMOs will suck and if it is a success everybody will call the next MMOs, "TOR clones". Just great.
3. I heard from people in beta (from the ToR forums) that its like WoW having a baby in KOTOR. WoW is my favorite MMO of all time as its esay to learn but hard to master and very pretty to look at. KOTOR 2 especially is my favorite single player game of all time. Imagine taking WoWs unique questing system like riding in vehicles and turrets, combining that in SPACESHIPS and with Speeders and lightsabers, ahhhhhh what more could you want?
Toxilium: While I agree that TOR will probably be the best MMO ever, I disagree with your reasons. Your reasons is very fanboishy. "Just because it's Star Wars and like World of Warcraft and it is made from BioWare it will be the best game ever."
1. Star Wars isn't always what it cracks up to be. The NGE hit Star Wars Galaxies to make it more, "iconic" and, "Star Warsy", in the reduction of true playable content and it screwed everything up! And have you've tried the other SW MMO, Clone War Adventures? It's a kids' game!
2. World of Warcraft is not THAT great. And this game won't be EXACTLY like it anyways. I would rather see improvements from WoW than an identical copy of it, and so far I haven't been disappointed. More on that later.
3. BioWare has made some great games, but how do you absolutely know this will be one of them?
Now here are some real reasons you should get excited for TOR:
1. Over 300 Million has been spent creating and developing this game. The only MMO that comes close to that is World of Warcraft.
2. There will be over 15 large planets to explore and discover.
3. TOR adapted WoW's talent system and made it better. You become one of two and then you have two trees to go from there, in total, four skill trees per class. World of Warcraft only has three skill trees, and after Cata hit you could only use one of those trees until near-end game.
4. Complete voice-over acting.
5. Although it is kind of important this is made by BioWare, I think what is more important that this is the successor of KOTOR games, in more specific terms the first one (not saying the second one was bad, but it didn't have half as decent of a story). KOTOR to me is one of the greatest games of all time and this is its successor, meaning it will probably be better.
6. The option to do crafting as you will, or let your crew craft for you.
indeed a much better list of the strong points of ToR! While i am currently not a big fan of ToR, mainly becoz of the visual style (platicish) and because of the npc sidekicks, I am able to see that these points are at least very promising. I am not much of a fan of the somewhat predefined story, but the voiceacting is always better than written walls of text.
I really see how these points can make ToR stand out, allthough sadly my personal tastes interfere . The sidekick thing is really a no go for me. I am truely horrible at multitasking and therefore the sidekick will only annoy the hell out of me just like with every petclass i have every played.
If Bioware delivers on their promises and the game is solid at release, then this game will probably be huge succes and a lot of people are going to have a blast. Probably not me though, but that's fine.
Personally a failure of this game would hurt the MMOs more then help. Whereas a success would really bring more interests (kinda like what Blizzard did for the genre).
Just great. If ToR is a failure MMOs will suck and if it is a success everybody will call the next MMOs, "TOR clones". Just great.
That's exactly what that brittish funny guy said about WAR. (what whilan said).
I think my biggest worry, if it fails, is that companies won't put a lot of effort and money into big games anymore. So we'll see a bunch of half run quick shot games as it's not worth the time ot make a really big production type one such as tor is.
Your post really got me to open my view- would it really be so bad if this game does fail? I like AAA MMORPGs to be sure but all we have seen since WoW's sub numbers dazzled publishers/investors is a lot of the same ol' same ol' as well as marked departure from how social and community-driven MMORPGs used to be. WoW's success alone has caused massive atrocities to the genre including the NGE.
I'm thinking perhaps if big money MMOs fail then maybe the genre will implode back to the niche genre it used to be rather than the shallow, solo-tastic hack & slash action MMOs we've been getting instead of true MMORPGs.
I think my biggest worry, if it fails, is that companies won't put a lot of effort and money into big games anymore. So we'll see a bunch of half run quick shot games as it's not worth the time ot make a really big production type one such as tor is.
Your post really got me to open my view- would it really be so bad if this game does fail? I like AAA MMORPGs to be sure but all we have seen since WoW's sub numbers dazzled publishers/investors is a lot of the same ol' same ol' as well as marked departure from how social and community-driven MMORPGs used to be. WoW's success alone has caused massive atrocities to the genre including the NGE.
I'm thinking perhaps if big money MMOs fail then maybe the genre will implode back to the niche genre it used to be rather than the shallow, solo-tastic hack & slash action MMOs we've been getting instead of true MMORPGs.
The problem with many of those niche genre games is the lack of content and quick feelings of boredom. At least for me it is. The biggest draw of SWTOR for me is the fact that they are spending enough up front to make this game, at launch, what most well established niche games don't get until four or five years down the road. That is exciting. If this game does half as well as I think it will, we will also be seeing more updates to the game almost immediately and even paid expansions with in a year to a year and a half. Can anyone say "Real Space Combat", which has already been said is being looked at as a future project?
If on the other hand we see this game flop, then we will be stuck with smaller games that you get bored of easily. Also it would not surprise me if being a scifi game was listed as one of the reasons for this MMO tanking. Personally that would be a shame to me, but I am really getting tired of only being able to play fantasy MMO's for the most part.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
I dont wish for games like GW2 and TOR to fail. But sometimes I wish SWG took off instead of WoW just because the mmo landscape would look so much different today.
Orwellien censorship of my post isn't going to stop the fact that most expectations of this game will be shattered.
Why?
Because a linear game only has so much life to it. Devs hold your hand until they run out of ideas, and surprise, that just so happens to be where they set level cap.
What about beyond that?
Is there even a reason to play? Not entertainment, but an actual goal? Like control of territory for resources or even faction buffs?
Sure, you could just treat it as a single player and play all 4 classes and then switch factions and play their mirror classes to get more usage out of it. For example, will I have to fight a fleet with my party, board a space station, take it over, before I land on the enemy controlled planet? Or is it just a loading bar?
Space on rails was uncalled for. But people are rationalizing with themselves that this is ok and acceptable.
The graphics isn't great, however I can understand that they want people with Tandy 1000s to play too. Even if that means lightsabers look like someone picked up a lamp and was swinging it at me...eh....like a lightsaber (not the real issue).
I would trade voice-overs with that MetalGear NPC dialogue animations for some in-depth game mechanics anyday.
It's too generic for a $150M production.
I just don't see where this game is going to offer creativity and a feeling of living in another world with so many limitations. For example, no matter how lazy or busy I am, at the end of the day, the smuggler next to me probably has the same character customization as me, same armor/clothing (to include color), the same weapon, the same attributes, the same skills. We both hit for the same exact max damage. I don't have a feeling that I created this character, I feel like I painted by the numbers and had to stay in the lines.
I hope it succeeds. I hope it sucks all the type of people that play this kind of game in like a vaccuum. But, thread after thread about "the best" and "wow killaz" is pathetic. We see this with every game every year. You would think people would learn by now, especially all the rabid pre-launch fans of FF14, VG, AoC, WAR, Aion, LotR, etc etc. Look how those "WoW killaz" turned out. But does that stop people from making the same claims for the next game? Nope.
So when people like me laugh or ask for you to tone it down, don't get so eager to report me because I'm not worshiping at the alter of Game X with you. Because Community is a selling point too and can make the game suck and nobody will want to play it.
Just like to point out the OP is baiting (said so themselves) this isn't how the general fan of this game thinks
Heres the posters response
EDIT: My mistake, they deleted the post. Essentially I'm seeing how many posts it takes before people figure out both threads were bait. A little personal experiment to determine how ignorant this website truly is when it comes to reading comprehension and the ability to note intelligent from stupid (like my original post) thought processing. I explained everything I'm doing in this post, but for those watching at home, lets see how long our studio audience can keep posting for!
Thus it's not fair to smash fans (true fans) of a game in with someone who is baiting.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
The OP is excited about the game coming out? Good!
My favourite piece of advice to people who are looking forward to a game, is to not spend it on forums. You know the way forum guys have a bad word for everything. I'm gonna sound like a Zen meditation manual here but oh well:
"Keep your mind clean of others thoughts and opinions, and explore the game and discover it yourself" - Halobump
What this guy said. The worst then you can do is to hype the game too much. Then if you find an imperfection it won't matter as long as your enjoying the game.
Orwellien censorship of my post isn't going to stop the fact that most expectations of this game will be shattered.
Why?
Because a linear game only has so much life to it. Devs hold your hand until they run out of ideas, and surprise, that just so happens to be where they set level cap.
What about beyond that?
This game is not linear like you're thinking. This is not a SPG. Beyond that? you have 8 class stories to complete, you have raids, you have flashpoints, you have different PvP features, minigames and some new type of endgame bioware is making. Do you need more? or do you plan to play it for the next 20 years?!
Is there even a reason to play? Not entertainment, but an actual goal? Like control of territory for resources or even faction buffs?
Wait and see. They haven't annouced everything yet.
you could just treat it as a single player and play all 4 classes and then switch factions and play their mirror classes to get more usage out of it. For example, will I have to fight a fleet with my party, board a space station, take it over, before I land on the enemy controlled planet? Or is it just a loading bar?
What loading bar? they want to make this game seamles, in fact during your play in worlds you won't see a single loading screen because the game have a streaming system that works on the back while you play.
Space on rails was uncalled for. But people are rationalizing with themselves that this is ok and acceptable.
First of all you don't understand why they did it. 2nd it's just your opinion, after seeing more footage of space combat recently it looks really fun. They did space combat like that for two reasons:
1- They are focusing in the ground content.
2- They want to introduce players with something basic, before moving into something like a space sim. Yes, they said it in some old interviews, that they don't want to put a space sim game right from the beginning because in SWG alot of players didn't like it.
And they will add other space features in a future expansion or patch.They even have guild ship plans... yes they also said it in an interview.
The graphics isn't great, however I can understand that they want people with Tandy 1000s to play too. Even if that means lightsabers look like someone picked up a lamp and was swinging it at me...eh....like a lightsaber (not the real issue).
The more i read from you, the more i know you're part of that famouse horde race. The graphics are good stop saying nonesense. Go check the latest video... look at the details, you have reflections in armor and in the eyes, you have tremendous ammount of detail in the world environments, from skys showing thunders, with leafs flying around, etc, etc. The lightsabers are fixed, you seem to know zero about game development or the word placeholder.
Like i said you belong to the horde race that is spread across the internet.
I would trade voice-overs with that MetalGear NPC dialogue animations for some in-depth game mechanics anyday.
What did you expect? force unleashed crosses with counter-strike? gtfo. It's standard MMO combat but it's improved. They added physics, they added speed to combat and some objects in the environment that you can interact with. Also they added real-time melee combat, were lightsabers connect and you actually see people parry, dodging and escaping. Not the old silly animations and lack of physics like in WoW or any other MMO.
Some classes and even the NPC's can take cover behind boxes and walls.
I just don't see where this game is going to offer creativity and a feeling of living in another world with so many limitations. For example, no matter how lazy or busy I am, at the end of the day, the smuggler next to me probably has the same character customization as me, same armor/clothing (to include color), the same weapon, the same attributes, the same skills. We both hit for the same exact max damage. I don't have a feeling that I created this character, I feel like I painted by the numbers and had to stay in the lines.
Again, the more i read the more i know that you know zero about this game. There are going to be thousands of armor sets and colours to choose from to each class. The same with guns, you will have huge ammount of guns and lightsabers and you can customize them. So next time take a while and try to search for some information.
I hope it succeeds. I hope it sucks all the type of people that play this kind of game in like a vaccuum. But, thread after thread about "the best" and "wow killaz" is pathetic. We see this with every game every year. You would think people would learn by now, especially all the rabid pre-launch fans of FF14, VG, AoC, WAR, Aion, LotR, etc etc. Look how those "WoW killaz" turned out. But does that stop people from making the same claims for the next game? Nope.
5 reasons why this game will succeed and why you shouldn't compare it to others in the past:
1- Bioware isn't the average game producer
2- They have an huge fanbase behind them
3- They have the star wars fans behind them
4- They are testing the game like mad, for a long time now.
5- They have the money that none of the other companies before had.
So when people like me laugh or ask for you to tone it down, don't get so eager to report me because I'm not worshiping at the alter of Game X with you. Because Community is a selling point too and can make the game suck and nobody will want to play it.
Yes community is a selling point and the community here in MMORPG.com is the worst i've even seen due to people like you. Have a nice day and next time search for info before talking like an ignorant.
I can't believe people are actually counting "Star Wars" and "Bioware" as real reasons.
REALITY CHECK: Bioware hasn't made a good game since Knights of the Old Republic. That had a MILLION ISSUES on the PC, as well as Mass Effect 1 and 2 when they came out. Mass Effect was unplayable for a solid 2 weeks post-release until the developers patched it, and the same goes for the second game. Mass Effect offered bad voice acting and recycled animations in dialog, "cinematic" situations. Not to mention the story could have used work.
What in the hell makes any of you think Bioware is capable of making an MMORPG? Everything I have seen so far convinces me that they can't. OH, IRONFUNGUS, IT'S IN ALPHA/BETA, GUY. True, but something tells me that the quality will still remain post-release. The graphics / art is absolutely terrible by any means. It looks like that abomination from Cartoon Network "The Clone Wars". The combat looks bland and offers nothing new, not to mention the animations are choppy and unpolished. The voice acting and dialog are already one of the worst offered in any game. The game is INCREDIBLY CHEAPLY MADE. Why can't any of you understand this?
Maybe...I MIGHT be wrong when it releases. I hope so, even. But everything I've seen so far is disgusting. This will not be a good game by any means. Period.
This game is not linear like you're thinking. This is not a SPG. Beyond that? you have 8 class stories to complete, you have raids, you have flashpoints, you have different PvP features, minigames and some new type of endgame bioware is making. Do you need more? or do you plan to play it for the next 20 years?!
They might have different pvp features, minigames or a new endgame or raids, but then they have only have said that they will. I know it's not fair to judge someone based on other actions, though EA and EA online or whatever they call mythic did make WAR and are helping with SWTOR.
They might have different pvp features, minigames or a new endgame or raids, but then they have only have said that they will. I know it's not fair to judge someone based on other actions, though EA and EA online or whatever they call mythic did make WAR and are helping with SWTOR.
They might have different pvp features, minigames or a new endgame or raids, but then they have only have said that they will. I know it's not fair to judge someone based on other actions, though EA and EA online or whatever they call mythic did make WAR and are helping with SWTOR.
Wait and see. They haven't annouced everything yet.
Wait and See...
What loading bar? they want to make this game seamles, in fact during your play in worlds you won't see a single loading screen because the game have a streaming system that works on the back while you play.
You didn't answer what he was asking... though it was a silly question.
First of all you don't understand why they did it. 2nd it's just your opinion, after seeing more footage of space combat recently it looks really fun. They did space combat like that for two reasons:
1- They are focusing in the ground content.
2- They want to introduce players with something basic, before moving into something like a space sim. Yes, they said it in some old interviews, that they don't want to put a space sim game right from the beginning because in SWG alot of players didn't like it.
And they will add other space features in a future expansion or patch.They even have guild ship plans... yes they also said it in an interview.
1. I get that, but if they just wanted to focus on ground content why didn't they just do that? Why add a minigame for a very important part of SW. Before you say but it isn't an important of TOR world it is. In KOTOR both starts and ends with massive space battles. Sure you don't play in them but then you also don't do an arcade shooter either. If your going to add it do it right.
2. This is such a bull answer. Why does everyone have to like it? No everyone likes Craft. Not everyone likes PvP, not everyone likes Raids, and you know what not everyone is going to like this arcade game in their MMO. Also I have seen that quote that alot of players of SWG didn't like JTL and I just don't believe it. A large number of players kept playing SWG after NGE merely for JTL. Not mention that JTL came in just after CU and jedi villages and few months later NGE. The dev that said, who I believe was at SOE when it happened just wants to blame JTL for the NGE failure.
Sorry but I just can't accept a SOLO ONLY mode in an MMO.
2. This is such a bull answer. Why does everyone have to like it? No everyone likes Craft. Not everyone likes PvP, not everyone likes Raids, and you know what not everyone is going to like this arcade game in their MMO. Also I have seen that quote that alot of players of SWG didn't like JTL and I just don't believe it. A large number of players kept playing SWG after NGE merely for JTL. Not mention that JTL came in just after CU and jedi villages and few months later NGE. The dev that said, who I believe was at SOE when it happened just wants to blame JTL for the NGE failure.1. I get that, but if they just wanted to focus on ground content why didn't they just do that? Why add a minigame for a very important part of SW. Before you say but it isn't an important of TOR world it is. In KOTOR both starts and ends with massive space battles. Sure you don't play in them but then you also don't do an arcade shooter either. If your going to add it do it right.
2. This is such a bull answer. Why does everyone have to like it? No everyone likes Craft. Not everyone likes PvP, not everyone likes Raids, and you know what not everyone is going to like this arcade game in their MMO. Also I have seen that quote that alot of players of SWG didn't like JTL and I just don't believe it. A large number of players kept playing SWG after NGE merely for JTL. Not mention that JTL came in just after CU and jedi villages and few months later NGE. The dev that said, who I believe was at SOE when it happened just wants to blame JTL for the NGE failure.
The more i read from you, the more i know you're part of that famouse horde race. The graphics are good stop saying nonesense. Go check the latest video... look at the details, you have reflections in armor and in the eyes, you have tremendous ammount of detail in the world environments, from skys showing thunders, with leafs flying around, etc, etc. The lightsabers are fixed, you seem to know zero about game development or the word placeholder.
Like i said you belong to the horde race that is spread across the internet.
What did you expect? force unleashed crosses with counter-strike? gtfo. It's standard MMO combat but it's improved. They added physics, they added speed to combat and some objects in the environment that you can interact with. Also they added real-time melee combat, were lightsabers connect and you actually see people parry, dodging and escaping. Not the old silly animations and lack of physics like in WoW or any other MMO.
Some classes and even the NPC's can take cover behind boxes and walls.
I do agree that it is looking better.
Again, the more i read the more i know that you know zero about this game. There are going to be thousands of armor sets and colours to choose from to each class. The same with guns, you will have huge ammount of guns and lightsabers and you can customize them. So next time take a while and try to search for some information.
Yeah. Wow has 1000s of armor sets as well. But only like a 1% of them are any good. Also I have yet to see them say that you change the way an armor looks.
5 reasons why this game will succeed and why you shouldn't compare it to others in the past:
1- Bioware isn't the average game producer
2- They have an huge fanbase behind them
3- They have the star wars fans behind them
4- They are testing the game like mad, for a long time now.
5- They have the money that none of the other companies before had.
This is really why I replied.
1. Nope they are attached to EA now and are only known for their solo rpgs. Don't get me wrong they are good but still a lot a like in design and have almost no MP exp. Personally I think theirs have gone down with each game.
2. Sure who for the most part don't play MMOs or only play consoles.
3. Yeah so? Again not a big MMO percent of them are MMO players.
4. Hey a good reason. Though it's only been in beta for a few months now.
5. WAR had alot of money too. Alot of EA money.
Yes community is a selling point and the community here in MMORPG.com is the worst i've even seen due to people like you. Have a nice day and next time search for info before talking like an ignorant.
Your not helping much you know. Your attacks just make you look like a blind fanboy of a game that isn't even out yet.
I will not play a game with a cash shop ever again. A dev job should be to make the game better not make me pay so it sucks less.
This game is not linear like you're thinking. This is not a SPG. Beyond that? you have 8 class stories to complete, you have raids, you have flashpoints, you have different PvP features, minigames and some new type of endgame bioware is making. Do you need more? or do you plan to play it for the next 20 years?!
Yes.
They might have different pvp features, minigames or a new endgame or raids, but then they have only have said that they will. I know it's not fair to judge someone based on other actions, though EA and EA online or whatever they call mythic did make WAR and are helping with SWTOR.
They might have different pvp features, minigames or a new endgame or raids, but then they have only have said that they will. I know it's not fair to judge someone based on other actions, though EA and EA online or whatever they call mythic did make WAR and are helping with SWTOR.
They might have different pvp features, minigames or a new endgame or raids, but then they have only have said that they will. I know it's not fair to judge someone based on other actions, though EA and EA online or whatever they call mythic did make WAR and are helping with SWTOR.
Wait and see. They haven't annouced everything yet.
Wait and See...
Yes.
What loading bar? they want to make this game seamles, in fact during your play in worlds you won't see a single loading screen because the game have a streaming system that works on the back while you play.
You didn't answer what he was asking... though it was a silly question.
First of all you don't understand why they did it. 2nd it's just your opinion, after seeing more footage of space combat recently it looks really fun. They did space combat like that for two reasons:
1- They are focusing in the ground content.
2- They want to introduce players with something basic, before moving into something like a space sim. Yes, they said it in some old interviews, that they don't want to put a space sim game right from the beginning because in SWG alot of players didn't like it.
And they will add other space features in a future expansion or patch.They even have guild ship plans... yes they also said it in an interview.
1. I get that, but if they just wanted to focus on ground content why didn't they just do that? Why add a minigame for a very important part of SW. Before you say but it isn't an important of TOR world it is. In KOTOR both starts and ends with massive space battles. Sure you don't play in them but then you also don't do an arcade shooter either. If your going to add it do it right.
2. This is such a bull answer. Why does everyone have to like it? No everyone likes Craft. Not everyone likes PvP, not everyone likes Raids, and you know what not everyone is going to like this arcade game in their MMO. Also I have seen that quote that alot of players of SWG didn't like JTL and I just don't believe it. A large number of players kept playing SWG after NGE merely for JTL. Not mention that JTL came in just after CU and jedi villages and few months later NGE. The dev that said, who I believe was at SOE when it happened just wants to blame JTL for the NGE failure.
Sorry but I just can't accept a SOLO ONLY mode in an MMO.
2. This is such a bull answer. Why does everyone have to like it? No everyone likes Craft. Not everyone likes PvP, not everyone likes Raids, and you know what not everyone is going to like this arcade game in their MMO. Also I have seen that quote that alot of players of SWG didn't like JTL and I just don't believe it. A large number of players kept playing SWG after NGE merely for JTL. Not mention that JTL came in just after CU and jedi villages and few months later NGE. The dev that said, who I believe was at SOE when it happened just wants to blame JTL for the NGE failure.1. I get that, but if they just wanted to focus on ground content why didn't they just do that? Why add a minigame for a very important part of SW. Before you say but it isn't an important of TOR world it is. In KOTOR both starts and ends with massive space battles. Sure you don't play in them but then you also don't do an arcade shooter either. If your going to add it do it right.
2. This is such a bull answer. Why does everyone have to like it? No everyone likes Craft. Not everyone likes PvP, not everyone likes Raids, and you know what not everyone is going to like this arcade game in their MMO. Also I have seen that quote that alot of players of SWG didn't like JTL and I just don't believe it. A large number of players kept playing SWG after NGE merely for JTL. Not mention that JTL came in just after CU and jedi villages and few months later NGE. The dev that said, who I believe was at SOE when it happened just wants to blame JTL for the NGE failure.
The more i read from you, the more i know you're part of that famouse horde race. The graphics are good stop saying nonesense. Go check the latest video... look at the details, you have reflections in armor and in the eyes, you have tremendous ammount of detail in the world environments, from skys showing thunders, with leafs flying around, etc, etc. The lightsabers are fixed, you seem to know zero about game development or the word placeholder.
Okay. Going with you on that. For now.
Like i said you belong to the horde race that is spread across the internet.
What did you expect? force unleashed crosses with counter-strike? gtfo. It's standard MMO combat but it's improved. They added physics, they added speed to combat and some objects in the environment that you can interact with. Also they added real-time melee combat, were lightsabers connect and you actually see people parry, dodging and escaping. Not the old silly animations and lack of physics like in WoW or any other MMO.
Some classes and even the NPC's can take cover behind boxes and walls.
I do agree that it is looking better.
This part, not really. But kind of.
Again, the more i read the more i know that you know zero about this game. There are going to be thousands of armor sets and colours to choose from to each class. The same with guns, you will have huge ammount of guns and lightsabers and you can customize them. So next time take a while and try to search for some information.
Yeah. Wow has 1000s of armor sets as well. But only like a 1% of them are any good. Also I have yet to see them say that you change the way an armor looks.
5 reasons why this game will succeed and why you shouldn't compare it to others in the past:
1- Bioware isn't the average game producer
Yes.
2- They have an huge fanbase behind them
No.
3- They have the star wars fans behind them
Yes.
4- They are testing the game like mad, for a long time now.
Yes.
5- They have the money that none of the other companies before had.
Yes.
This is really why I replied.
1. Nope they are attached to EA now and are only known for their solo rpgs. Don't get me wrong they are good but still a lot a like in design and have almost no MP exp. Personally I think theirs have gone down with each game.
2. Sure who for the most part don't play MMOs or only play consoles.
3. Yeah so? Again not a big MMO percent of them are MMO players.
4. Hey a good reason. Though it's only been in beta for a few months now.
5. WAR had alot of money too. Alot of EA money.
Yes community is a selling point and the community here in MMORPG.com is the worst i've even seen due to people like you. Have a nice day and next time search for info before talking like an ignorant.
No.
Your not helping much you know. Your attacks just make you look like a blind fanboy of a game that isn't even out yet.
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This is my biggest fear because if it does fail the suits won't look at the game's solocentric nature they'll fault the story-driven gameplay as something the playerbase doesn't want and then we'll all be stuck with more of what we already have.
Toxilium: While I agree that TOR will probably be the best MMO ever, I disagree with your reasons. Your reasons is very fanboishy. "Just because it's Star Wars and like World of Warcraft and it is made from BioWare it will be the best game ever."
1. Star Wars isn't always what it cracks up to be. The NGE hit Star Wars Galaxies to make it more, "iconic" and, "Star Warsy", in the reduction of true playable content and it screwed everything up! And have you've tried the other SW MMO, Clone War Adventures? It's a kids' game!
2. World of Warcraft is not THAT great. And this game won't be EXACTLY like it anyways. I would rather see improvements from WoW than an identical copy of it, and so far I haven't been disappointed. More on that later.
3. BioWare has made some great games, but how do you absolutely know this will be one of them?
Now here are some real reasons you should get excited for TOR:
1. Over 300 Million has been spent creating and developing this game. The only MMO that comes close to that is World of Warcraft.
2. There will be over 15 large planets to explore and discover.
3. TOR adapted WoW's talent system and made it better. You become one of two and then you have two trees to go from there, in total, four skill trees per class. World of Warcraft only has three skill trees, and after Cata hit you could only use one of those trees until near-end game.
4. Complete voice-over acting.
5. Although it is kind of important this is made by BioWare, I think what is more important that this is the successor of KOTOR games, in more specific terms the first one (not saying the second one was bad, but it didn't have half as decent of a story). KOTOR to me is one of the greatest games of all time and this is its successor, meaning it will probably be better.
6. The option to do crafting as you will, or let your crew craft for you.
I think my biggest worry, if it fails, is that companies won't put a lot of effort and money into big games anymore. So we'll see a bunch of half run quick shot games as it's not worth the time ot make a really big production type one such as tor is.
The biggest problem is if someone like bioware (i know companies don't mean everything but BW isn't just your every day indie company) can't make a game that will appeal to the masses, then most companies will generally see it as a bad venture to spend any kind of money on it. (basic thinking would be along these lines: Spend alot, spend a little, doesn't matter gets the same result. Mind as well spend a little. least that way we get our money back).
Personally i think it's more of what ToR stands for then what the game is itself. It's more of a testament if a big name company tries to make a game with a lot of production and money thrown at it. Will it work?
I'd think for the general populace of MMOs that they would hope ti does so other companies see how profitable it is to make games of this size and invest in it themselves.
Personally a failure of this game would hurt the MMOs more then help. Whereas a success would really bring more interests (kinda like what Blizzard did for the genre).
Just my personal view of course.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
Just great. If ToR is a failure MMOs will suck and if it is a success everybody will call the next MMOs, "TOR clones". Just great.
Bangs head against wall repeteadly.
An honest review of SW:TOR 6/10 (Danny Wojcicki)
indeed a much better list of the strong points of ToR! While i am currently not a big fan of ToR, mainly becoz of the visual style (platicish) and because of the npc sidekicks, I am able to see that these points are at least very promising. I am not much of a fan of the somewhat predefined story, but the voiceacting is always better than written walls of text.
I really see how these points can make ToR stand out, allthough sadly my personal tastes interfere
. The sidekick thing is really a no go for me. I am truely horrible at multitasking and therefore the sidekick will only annoy the hell out of me just like with every petclass i have every played.
If Bioware delivers on their promises and the game is solid at release, then this game will probably be huge succes and a lot of people are going to have a blast. Probably not me though, but that's fine.
That's exactly what that brittish funny guy said about WAR. (what whilan said).
An honest review of SW:TOR 6/10 (Danny Wojcicki)
in my opinion end game holds me to a MMO for long time, but so far i only see samll grouping in this game.
its like Mass effect or DA with Co-op support.
Your post really got me to open my view- would it really be so bad if this game does fail? I like AAA MMORPGs to be sure but all we have seen since WoW's sub numbers dazzled publishers/investors is a lot of the same ol' same ol' as well as marked departure from how social and community-driven MMORPGs used to be. WoW's success alone has caused massive atrocities to the genre including the NGE.
I'm thinking perhaps if big money MMOs fail then maybe the genre will implode back to the niche genre it used to be rather than the shallow, solo-tastic hack & slash action MMOs we've been getting instead of true MMORPGs.
It wont be the best mmo ever, simple as that.. it will become a niche game just like lotro
The problem with many of those niche genre games is the lack of content and quick feelings of boredom. At least for me it is. The biggest draw of SWTOR for me is the fact that they are spending enough up front to make this game, at launch, what most well established niche games don't get until four or five years down the road. That is exciting. If this game does half as well as I think it will, we will also be seeing more updates to the game almost immediately and even paid expansions with in a year to a year and a half. Can anyone say "Real Space Combat", which has already been said is being looked at as a future project?
If on the other hand we see this game flop, then we will be stuck with smaller games that you get bored of easily. Also it would not surprise me if being a scifi game was listed as one of the reasons for this MMO tanking. Personally that would be a shame to me, but I am really getting tired of only being able to play fantasy MMO's for the most part.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
Why?
Guild Wars 2's 50 minutes game play video:
http://n4g.com/news/592585/guild-wars-2-50-minutes-of-pure-gameplay
Everything We Know about GW2:
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/287180/page/1
I dont wish for games like GW2 and TOR to fail. But sometimes I wish SWG took off instead of WoW just because the mmo landscape would look so much different today.
Because a linear game only has so much life to it. Devs hold your hand until they run out of ideas, and surprise, that just so happens to be where they set level cap.
What about beyond that?
Is there even a reason to play? Not entertainment, but an actual goal? Like control of territory for resources or even faction buffs?
Sure, you could just treat it as a single player and play all 4 classes and then switch factions and play their mirror classes to get more usage out of it. For example, will I have to fight a fleet with my party, board a space station, take it over, before I land on the enemy controlled planet? Or is it just a loading bar?
Space on rails was uncalled for. But people are rationalizing with themselves that this is ok and acceptable.
The graphics isn't great, however I can understand that they want people with Tandy 1000s to play too. Even if that means lightsabers look like someone picked up a lamp and was swinging it at me...eh....like a lightsaber (not the real issue).
I would trade voice-overs with that MetalGear NPC dialogue animations for some in-depth game mechanics anyday.
It's too generic for a $150M production.
I just don't see where this game is going to offer creativity and a feeling of living in another world with so many limitations. For example, no matter how lazy or busy I am, at the end of the day, the smuggler next to me probably has the same character customization as me, same armor/clothing (to include color), the same weapon, the same attributes, the same skills. We both hit for the same exact max damage. I don't have a feeling that I created this character, I feel like I painted by the numbers and had to stay in the lines.
I hope it succeeds. I hope it sucks all the type of people that play this kind of game in like a vaccuum. But, thread after thread about "the best" and "wow killaz" is pathetic. We see this with every game every year. You would think people would learn by now, especially all the rabid pre-launch fans of FF14, VG, AoC, WAR, Aion, LotR, etc etc. Look how those "WoW killaz" turned out. But does that stop people from making the same claims for the next game? Nope.
So when people like me laugh or ask for you to tone it down, don't get so eager to report me because I'm not worshiping at the alter of Game X with you. Because Community is a selling point too and can make the game suck and nobody will want to play it.
Just like to point out the OP is baiting (said so themselves) this isn't how the general fan of this game thinks
Heres the posters response
EDIT: My mistake, they deleted the post. Essentially I'm seeing how many posts it takes before people figure out both threads were bait. A little personal experiment to determine how ignorant this website truly is when it comes to reading comprehension and the ability to note intelligent from stupid (like my original post) thought processing. I explained everything I'm doing in this post, but for those watching at home, lets see how long our studio audience can keep posting for!
Thus it's not fair to smash fans (true fans) of a game in with someone who is baiting.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
What this guy said. The worst then you can do is to hype the game too much. Then if you find an imperfection it won't matter as long as your enjoying the game.
Because you say so... lol.
Not really, its more because it is - Star Wars!
In red.
Thanks for the help, the more reason you give me.
I can't believe people are actually counting "Star Wars" and "Bioware" as real reasons.
REALITY CHECK: Bioware hasn't made a good game since Knights of the Old Republic. That had a MILLION ISSUES on the PC, as well as Mass Effect 1 and 2 when they came out. Mass Effect was unplayable for a solid 2 weeks post-release until the developers patched it, and the same goes for the second game. Mass Effect offered bad voice acting and recycled animations in dialog, "cinematic" situations. Not to mention the story could have used work.
What in the hell makes any of you think Bioware is capable of making an MMORPG? Everything I have seen so far convinces me that they can't. OH, IRONFUNGUS, IT'S IN ALPHA/BETA, GUY. True, but something tells me that the quality will still remain post-release. The graphics / art is absolutely terrible by any means. It looks like that abomination from Cartoon Network "The Clone Wars". The combat looks bland and offers nothing new, not to mention the animations are choppy and unpolished. The voice acting and dialog are already one of the worst offered in any game. The game is INCREDIBLY CHEAPLY MADE. Why can't any of you understand this?
Maybe...I MIGHT be wrong when it releases. I hope so, even. But everything I've seen so far is disgusting. This will not be a good game by any means. Period.
I will not play a game with a cash shop ever again. A dev job should be to make the game better not make me pay so it sucks less.
I cannot believe after almost 10 pages, people are still putting thought and arguments into this thread.