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LOL! Forget trying to have a discussion on the official forums.
Just the slightest hint that you think something needs addressing and the zealous fans start trolling immediately to shut the discussion down. This is what ruins games. Zealous fans that cannot admit that a game has flaws or is not as polished and finished as the developers claim.
Look at all the bad games that were supposedly great according to the fans! Warhammer and Aion anyone? It is one thing to say a game is good, it is another to trumpet it as the next coming and that is exactly what we've seen time and time again only to watch that games population dwindle to 1/20th what it was at launch.
We do not have a clue how the end game of Rift is at all. It still has no guild banks. Some combat animations are the suck. Melee combat sounds are the worst of any game I have ever played. That is just a few concerns. There are many more. Yet the fans of this game will not let anyone in the least bit critic it at all. Say one thing that is even the least bit of a criticism and they are on you like flies to poo.
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I’m a fan, and I have no problem with criticism, there is major room for improvement in some areas of RIFT, and lots of things I would like to see added. The problem I have is that so many people hate on this game for now being revolutionary, for not meeting whatever expectations’ they have. Though I am looking forward to TOR and its rich content and GW2’s amazing leap forward in PVE, I can also appreciate a good MMO, one that I will happily come back to over the next few years, between other perhaps braver, or more foolhardy releases.
Do I want more sandox, personal story, new combat mechanics, voice content, dynamic quests, Jeremy Soule doing the music? Of course, but I can enjoy what is, as well as demand more.
I won't lie, I love the game, I truly enjoy playing it. But having said that there are concerns I have. End game, Invasion despawning in 10 mins, some of the animations and sounds and a lack of consequences for not keeping a wardstone. Great game has some room for inprovement.
Squirrel poo? ;-)
Anyway, yeah, beta populations include most of the hardcore fans. But like the french say: C'est le ton qui fait la musique. It's the tone of voice that decides whether people will actually be able to objectively read or hear what you say, in this case. But that is easy for me to say. Why don't you link to the discussion so we can tell who right and wrong?
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Sadly, this is how most game communities are like nowadays. I agree that RIFT has issues, some more prominent than others, but it certainly is one of the most stable games even though it's only in Beta.
Sounds are just plain awful. They really need to do something about it.
Animations are, in my opinion, just fine. I haven't seen all the classes but what I have experienced so far is actually okay. Improvments are always welcome.
Character creation is a joke. The face slider is cool but despite how deform you can make the face it's still the same. Hair and facial hair options are seriously one of the worst I have come across. 6-7 options for Defiant Eth males? More please
Despite issues RIFT is a good game. I'm enjoying it and have already bought my copy. I'm certain changes will come along shortly and hopefully for the better. Nevertheless, stubborn fans really must realize how they are destroying their own game. Only by voicing your concerns can a game improve.
A good threat. I do believe this is a problem every game experiences
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
Every MMO player thinks they know what needs addressing better than the next person and because the idea of Netiquette seems to be totally lost on this community everyone is rude to one another.. you do it ALOT in your post here... and im not being a hypocrite, I do it myself as well.
E.g. "Some combat animations are the suck." <-- thats pretty aggressive, its like saying someone has an ugly baby and even if they do, they don't want to hear about it. If you detailed which animations and explained how they could be better you might get a better response (not in the baby situation though). Its easier to convince someone that something can be made better than it is to convince someone that something is "the suck".
Rift is a mixed bag.
Objectively: Wonderful dev team.
Subjectively (me): bland-as-hell combat, blah visuals, blah characters, blah armor. These are my major problems with Rift and reason why, as much as I'd like to jump into a freshly launched MMO, I will not be buying and playing.
The community...we should let them stew in their own juice.
Many will be open to discussion weeks/months after the game has released and past the fanboy stage.
exactly the same thing happens here Teala.
wasnt you very pro Rift a little while ago yourself though?
She shouldn't have to! Because it's already been done many many times. Just today I was reading a thread about it. It was well worded and many people seemed to have the OPs back.
Game communities are getting too polarized - you have the zealous defenders and the excessive complainers.
This harms the feedback too much, by the time some changes that were needed are noticed to be needed, its damages will already be done, especially since you also need to take into account the design team acknowledging that need for changes and then the changes actually getting developed and polished.
All because people instead of discussing the issue at hand in a thread, reduced the discussion to insults, L2P, etc.
Just start jotting down the forum titles from here(official beta forums will probably be wiped). Then necro them in about 7 months for us all to laugh at.
Ah, how I wish I did that before WAR released...
"Whoever thinks WAR will have anything less than 3 million subs is smoking some serious WoW crack." ----just one of many gems...
Kind of why I wanted to create my own website. Make it a huge discussion forum for games without the trolls.
See....you people totally do not get me at all. Sure I like Rift. I think it is a good game for what it is. That doesn't mean I am not going to write that I still think it needs work. In my opinion it is not as good as it should be. Am I pro Rift. I am a gamer...I want all these games to succeed..well except SWG post NGE. Glad we brought that POS down. That is beside the point. I am pro gamer. I think that says enough.
So the thread you read is an example of what I am suggesting really then isn't it? Taking anything for granted with asynchronous communication is always a bit of a risk, can't assume everyone has read everything like you might have.
It's all about the presentation of your posting and criticism. If you are aggressive it will trigger a fight reaction in a lot of people. I haven't read your post there so I can't say if that's the case or not. However, you have to expect some kind of backlash from people on any sort of post, it's just natural. And yes, the point about the more fervent fans posting there is true.
2 things here.
1. First, if you have concerns about the game then post them or sumit as a bug report in game. I am not going to defend the game but I will defend the dev team. Every beta has been improved on the last one and they show that they are listening to their testers. So if you have something you don't like then tell them. Just because you have a bunch of people, fanboi's and haters alike, disagreeing with you doesn't mean the dev team didn't get your message. What are you trying to do? Tell the Devs. or convince a bunch of fussy babies you are right?
2. The stuff you bring up in your post as rockgod has kind of said but not so nicely, those are things that can be implemented easily there are no major programming issues that you bring up. Not saying your right or wrong or that they are not important to some...just that they can be easily implemented or fixed.
Anyway hope this helps, happy gaming.
Mythras - Guardian - Reaver/Paladin/Warlord
I love how you point out the post NGE of SWG. That's awesome. Lol. Agreed there, too.
I am not 'you people', I am 'this person'
I am also 'pro gamer', imo... I also want inspired games with challenge, imagination, ambition, and scope. Voicing that opinion here though has always recieved the reaction that you talk about in your OP.
In my opinion it also isnt as good as it should be.
Rift won't fail, it will make a lot of money, but I just think we as gamers in the main ask for too little and, consequently, recieve it. 'It works' isnt enough for me, and I get the impression it isnt for you either.
Oh gawd! Another "clerics are OP" person... Did you ever consider that maybe some of the other classes aren't properly equiped (that is assuming that we're not talking about gameplay below level 20...)?? I know that for a short while it seemed like my Cleric (Justicar / Shaman / Purifier) was so awesome. Then after 20 I decided to start trying other souls because I felt gimped. So you'll have to excuse me if I say I don't understand your complaints about "PvE Balance".
Now None of this is to say that Rift is absolutely perfect. Cause it's NOT! I can tell you for sure that there are some issues, that if they aren't fixed by release, I will cancel my sub. Just to give Trion a "wake up call", so to speak. Then again I only preordered because I read that Trion wasn't going to "cave" to all the players, like you, saying "Class X" is OP! So I'm in for the Headstart and the first month. But I won't finish that First Month, If they don't immedately fix several of the obvious issues.
Its just that I'm certain I can find something else to play... So I'm Not going to support any companies that want to publish half-assed MMORPGs. I may have just had a relapse of judgement in this case... =P
Not sure about your version of reality, but in this one, SWG is still up and running (and quite frankly, it really is time people got over it)
A creative person is motivated by the desire to achieve, not the desire to beat others.
worst combat sounds ever? really? worse then darkfall or mortal online's combat sounds? thats taking it pretty far.
ive beta tested a half a dozen games or more and ive never seen a game this ready to go. we will see what end game holds for us soon. and as the dev team goes, they are the best at fixing things in game in a timely fashion ive ever seen.
lol it doesnt have guild banks? thats kinda sad tho... thats ff14 status right there
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what lol? how is that even relevant to any of this?
Oh gawd! Another "clerics are OP" person... Did you ever consider that maybe some of the other classes aren't properly equiped (that is assuming that we're not talking about gameplay below level 20...)?? I know that for a short while it seemed like my Cleric (Justicar / Shaman / Purifier) was so awesome. Then after 20 I decided to start trying other souls because I felt gimped. So you'll have to excuse me if I say I don't understand your complaints about "PvE Balance".
Now None of this is to say that Rift is absolutely perfect. Cause it's NOT! I can tell you for sure that there are some issues, that if they aren't fixed by release, I will cancel my sub. Just to give Trion a "wake up call", so to speak. Then again I only preordered because I read that Trion wasn't going to "cave" to all the players, like you, saying "Class X" is OP! So I'm in for the Headstart and the first month. But I won't finish that First Month, If they don't immedately fix several of the obvious issues.
Its just that I'm certain I can find something else to play... So I'm Not going to support any companies that want to publish half-assed MMORPGs. I may have just had a relapse of judgement in this case... =P
Clerics aren't op. They're balanced for pvp. Melée and caster cleric struggle with sustained DPS in pve encounters. Wanna know what gonna happen if Trion doesn't fix that? Every cleric in order to raid will have to either heal tank because any rogue, warrior or Mage DPS soul can do the job of any two DPS clerics. Does that sound cool to you?Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
Sorry what? What don't you get? Because I am not drooling over the latest new game...is that what you do not get? ::shakes her head::
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP