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It's a community and there is a limited number of people on each server.
It's like saying "you can use a cellphone in the theater and if you don't like that idea, just don't use one!". What others do or don't do impacts you if you are in the same environment as them.
Trion says: "you don't get your own theater, you'll just have to get along with people who use cellphones". That's why people are upset.
actually WoW should had implemented that dungeon finder way before the first expansion. I saw too much elitism in vanilla WoW, I hated it. Glad Rift will have a dungeon finder. If you dont like it, dont use it.
WoW fans in RIFT community has altered RIFT to there liking.... damn. This MMO was suppose to be new and different got damn dungeon finders hurt the game world and sociality idiots!!! This is bad news to many many people...
You don't seem to get the real threat behind games copying eachothers,do you?
Ugh, I really hope they do not implement something like this. If they do, I really hope it's not cross server.
and how about the people that dont play games 24/7 ? Find a guild, socialize.. if you have the time. But for those that cant play full time like a job, this feature is great.
That's a terrible comparison. Some random guy on a different shard using the LFD feature would in no shape or form impact your play experience. Someone talking in the theatre on a phone impacts everyone's watching experience.
EDIT: Spelling derp.
.. But in a good way.
That actually is the last drop for me. Not bothering with Rift...
.....ok.....
My Thoughts on Content Locust
lol you really need to work on your Analogy. Dont' revise it, just toss it out and start over from scratch.
How bout... Trion is saying that you don't have to run around for hours looking for people to go to the theater with. You are welcome to just show up and watch with whoever else is there. Those of you who want to hook up before and go to the theater together, are welcome to do so.
Wait... that doesn't sound nearly oppressive enough...
Yes that's true. But it also brings people who ninja items and leave dungeons before they're over.
A common complaint in WoW is that a few guildies invite random person "Joe", and before the dungeon is over they kick him. Dungeon finders make that possible.
just like you don't get the real threat of ignoring successful features. (you learn from mistakes, and success, build upon it, you think when they come up with a new ipad or cell phone, they comepletely scrap all working models and start from scratch, really?)
My Thoughts on Content Locust
And what about the idiot that won't get off his phone in the theater. You know you really don't have to watch the movie. You can either sit there and try to hear the movie or you can get up and leave.
Everyone should stop complaining. I ran plenty of dunger finder groups in WoW and 9 out of 10 are successful with no issues. Don't forget that Trion will perfect the queueing system like they have every other aspect of mmos!
Like Trion said - It's the only way they're going to get people (meaning mass amounts of players) into the dungeons.
People talking on a cell phone in a theatre would be annoying. People grouping purposefully in a game using this tool would be practical. Big difference. If you have friends in game and you want to group with them, you can. No issue.
thats why there is vote kick
My Thoughts on Content Locust
spamming trade chat will find you a douche that needs to be kicked, and was doing it long before dungeon finders. Your arguments really need some work...
Bleh I don't like the idea of a dungeon finder queue. Having a system where you can flag your self as /lfg and others can search for that specific tag is sufficient imo. People love grouping when it's with people they know. Grouping with random idiots the dungeon finder found is not cool.
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So don't use it
How hard is that? You can STILL put together your own groups. You can still group with guild members. Isn't CHOICE a wonderful thing?
No, I really don't see why someone have to reinvent the wheel. Rift is just like WoW an mmorpg and these kind of games have similiar systems and therfor use to -some extent- the same set of tools. You see this pattern in all other areas of your life.
copy story/character or world design = bad
copy tools which improve gaming experience = good
It's probably best for you not to argue when you don't have a leg to stand on.
what he said
Again posting this so that it is not skimmed over. This is what SCOTT HARTSMAN actually said:
OK Here is the transcript. Word for word!
Female: Um on that uhh...are you looking....at doing a looking for dungeon finder?
Scott: Yes. Absolutely.
Female: Is it going to be Cross server?
Scott: Uhh..possible. Umm if you can get a hundred times more people playing your game or a hundred times more people in your dungeons, um its ususally a good thing. I have a rather unique persepective on this, um I'm the only person that I know of who actually shifts(?) to looking for group systems that didn't form your group for you. Um...and you spend, I can tell you exactly how I felt. You spend about two months into development time on them, and add all these great features, and get lots and lots of input from the community for how would you make sure you use this, how would you help make this better? And you if you don't make it auto group for your dungeon, people do not use it after the first week.
Female: Well, here you only have to have one person run to a dungeon and they pull everybody else in.
Scott: *can't make out what he says* Its the act of forming the group, thats the barrier, you have one that forms your group, or you don't have one that forms your group.
Male: Are you worried about how that will effect the server community if its cross server?
Scott: That is what I am saying, we don't know if we will do something like that, will will definately put something together. This is the thing, people love grouping, people love players, its a fallacy that everyone wants to play games solo all the time. Its just that people don't like being that guy to go I'm going to put myself out there, Shout in a channel and try to pull a group together for the next fourty five minutes, and probably fail. That is not a fun experience. And so you'll end up, half of our game is in dungeons, half of our game is in raids, a huge chunk of our games is in dungeons and raids and these other places. And if nobody is playing them, We have failed. And the only thing that has been proven to get people together is when you can help them form groups. What is so bad about getting people together?
Female: Because everyone sits in the main town and does nothing else. But chat in Out of Character channels or whatever they called now. General channels. And que up for dungeon, and que up for dungeon. That is all they do.
Male: Right and it kills the...
Scott: I know thats all they have done in other games, (overtalking) so we have one gamer point so far. So don't make the same mistakes the press makes alot of the time, when they think MMO = World of warcraft.
Female: So if everyone was conglomerated in Meridian so maybe a massive invasion would come and get them all out of meridian even if they are waiting on dungeon parties
Scott: But why would someone already qued up be waiting around...
Female: No I mean when they have hit max level.
Scott: Well when our game succeeds, we will have to solve this problem. You are compairing a game that hasn't launched yet, you are falling into the traps of alot of people. We are not a four year old game, that has been around forever. (overtalk) MMOs do not equal Wow. Lots of games have suceeded this before, and lots of games will succeed in lots of ways after.
It is not finalized, they are still working on it, and he doesn't want it to be compared to WoW. (From the sound of the podcast he even sounded agitated speaking of WoW)
Vote kick is the most ridiculous thing there is. In WoW, you can group up and happen to get with 3 people from the same server. One of them is a real asshat or is constantly going AFK. So, you choose to vote kick, they get pissed and vote you out because you are not one of "their" people. So, vote kick is useless. Serves no real purpose. The dungeon finding system is one of the dumbest ideas ever to be invented.
After reading all this, 2 ideas come to my mind.
1)
Of course you are not forced to use it! But claiming that it won't affect those players who don't like it is a falacy. I am thinking of my times playing Lotro. My first char went all the way to level cap doing group content most of the times. Then soloers started asking for more and more solo content, (to the point where you could see "I want raids to be soloable" threads on the official forums). It was given to them. Lots of group content was nerfed down, the epic class traits were made soloable, the epic books were made soloable... After some time, while doing all that in a group was theoretically an option, it was actually not possible, since everybody and their mothers started soloing, so getting groups was harder, so groupers started to solo, so getting groups was even harder... Nowadays in Lotro almost every player gets to level cap without ever having grouped once. Options? yeah, sure.
Same here. Put the dungeon finder in and eventually getting a group within your shards the old way will not be an option.
2)
Sure, ninjas and the similar always existed before these dungeon finders. The only problem is, you are making it even easier for them now. I remember some games I have played where ninjas, gankers and similars would be put in black lists or KOS lists by the leading guilds on each server. I have seen many of these players in the past having to leave the game becouse, after having built certain "reputation", there was no way for them to find a group, trade or interact with other players, or, even better, on PVP servers, they were getting systematically killed over and over and over and... over forever and ever more. Your reputation on your server matters, but if you have a dungeon finder, there is no reputation on no server to worry about.