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rift could be the next big mmorpg.
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As a player there are things you can do and things you have no power on.
You can't help yourself if you fall into cracks in the world (to be fair, I did fell off one after a mob push in Rift yesterday)
You can't help yourself if you get stuck in scenery
You can't help yourself if animations get stuck
You can't help yourself if loot doesn't work (items not appearing in your inventory, items disappearing, items not working etc)
You can't help yourself if you get artifacts or other weird graphics issues (or technical problems in general)
Spammers you can do something about, you can ignore them. What you can not ignore is the bots. At least in Lineage II you were able to kill them, little good that would make.
Aion the game worked almost flawlessly at launch. What broke it for some people was that they couldn't handle the experience curve above 35+ and the loot tables that were non existent or broken.
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lol, me a hater? Give me a break and watch where you point that finger hehe
You have goldspam in Rift aswell..!! Just so it today..
When they fixed it in Aion they ...they were gone..
Actually, that's not all he is saying. No one is really hating the game... read the thread again. Everyone is simply trying to put the OP in a realistic view.
He claims it the be the next big thing, that EVERY OTHER DEVELOPER should take note on Trion and Rift. Tell me you didn't think anyone would jump him for that?
People have opinions, don't spit yours if you can't handle others.
Seriously though, any vet of MMO knows that the first month's number do not matter. The first month is free... of course there will be a lot of players. But like everyone else said, check back in 2 or 3 months to see if numbers are dropping or raising. Not saying the game will drop in numbers, but at least wait past the first 2 weeks?
There solution in Aion came a month two late for some people. Do you realize when people ask if Aion is still alive the first question they ask still is about the gold spam still there?
The bots were still there up until I left. People just got smarter about it. Most bot'n I have seen in Rift is people that camp sspawn nodes that are supposed to despawn correctly, but are not. Those guys have gotten banned for not reporting it and exploiting.
My point is you just can not put the two games in the same class. Rift just beats Aion from launch on everything and still people use Aion as an example of what will happen to Rift which is just crazy.
edit: I bet 5$ if this guys had said GW2 or SWToR would be the next big thing you guys would be praising games you have literally no idea about.
The reason should be obvious, when you look at this thread objectively then it should be clear that both (some) fans as well as critics are fueling the flames and polarizing the debate, both sides concentrating on the controversial arguments they can disagree on, instead of the points that sound reasonable and that can be agreed upon.
So it's no wonder that in such a situation discussions spin out of control.
More tolerance and mutual understanding towards the viewpoints and arguments of the other side go a long way towards reasonable debates.
As for the OP: yes, it is impressive of how Rift is doing so far, it's certainly an achievement. However, there have been more MMORPG's that did well the first weeks after launch, so let's keep an eye on how things will be at the next milestone, after the first month when players have to decide whether to sub or not.
That doesn't mean that people shouldn't enjoy and have fun in their time in Rift of course, it's a good thing if there are more successful AAA MMORPG's around that people can choose from, so the more diversity the better.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Thats how virtually every MMORPG is at launch. Age of Conan was even higher, much higher. Now look at it. Rift offers nothing new, they'll get bored soon enough. The only "case study" for this game is "copying WoW works"
So sad you have been blinded for so many years that you can not see any differences between Rift and WoW. Go read the MMORPG article.
Like I said unbelievable how much hate Rift gets. This website puts out a fair review and people are still hating on it, but they put out a GW2 article and it gets nothing, but love.
Also amazing how crazy that statement is. You expected them to release no new servers to deal with 3,000 person queue's seriously?
Why do you make it seem so personal? You make it seem like... if someone doesn't like Rift... they automatically worship GW2 or SWTOR. That's why it's hard for you to see what the "general" mass sees.
The masses are more hyped for other games. That's how it is. But I have and am playing multiple MMO's, which seems hard for you to do. You seem to be loaded with pride, which is not bad, but not all that well either. It's almost like, you like Rift, so you gotta hate other games.
I tell you what, you keep saying we hardly know anything about GW2 or SWTOR, but look at it this way. A while when all 3 games were still pretty fresh, people still liked GW2 and SWTOR more. Or at least there was a larger following. Now that's not proof or anything, I'm just saying... we've known about GW2, SWTOR, and RIFT for while now. Actually, just a short while ago, youtube was loaded with MORE videos of GW2 than Rift. Obviously Rift went open beta and now has more...
Still, like I said. The general public are not bringing a "versus" into this discussion... you are. We are saying what we think, but you keep assuming we are fanboi's of GW2 or SWTOR. Perhaps you should look at your name again?
Here is my issue. The guy comes to a forum labeled Rift and brags about how much he likes the game and thinks it will succeed and all he does is get attacked telling him to basically shut up and he does not know what he is talking about.
You tell him to set his expectations low and expect the game to fail in April and then expect us not to say you are straight out trolling and flaming the op?
Actually he posted :"People just want working polished games at launch, i mean seriosuly is it too much to ask for of the develeopers?"
And i agree EVERY OTHER DEVELOPER should take note on Trion and Rift.
We in this thread who know the probable outcome, let's just wait ti'll april/may shal we? Trying to talk reason into people who have decided to believe in something is very hard -- The easiest path is to just wait it out and go "Told you so".
I get you man...
But listen.
First of all, for the hundreth time, most of us are NOT hating on the game. Check the thread again... just about everyone is saying to wait. Just about eveyone is posting about how other games launch great, than die off. A few people here hate the game, just like a few people hate GW2 and even more hate SWTOR.
But the OP has posted more than myself, and I can tell you... it's stupid to come here and make such a post and NOT expect to start a flame war. Had I gone to SWTOR and posted such a thread, I would get the same effect.
Now if you were expecting for all the SWTOR and GW2 fanbois to stay away and let the Rift fans worship this thread, than I cannot help you. But understand that claiming a game to be the next big MMO is just as extreme as claiming it to be the next big flop.
WAR and LotRO and Aion launched with polish. Didn't turn out so well.
WAR did NOT launch with polish... How can you even say that? And I didnt find Aion particularly polished either. LotRO was well done I suppose, but the game just didnt pull you in. I found the controls to be too lazy, and there seemed to always be this disconnection from your character while controlling them. Then mix into it that most of the things to do were social rather that game... Sorry, but a game with no PvP option often doesnt turn out well. And that PvMP does not count.
QFE
all games are like this
Rift is just like WoW which every major "wow killer" has tried, it has a few unique features, the only thing different from this game and the other major flops is this one is polished, so im sure it will retain a decent amount of its playbase compared to the other flops (AoC, WAR, etc) but it wont be "the next big mmorpg"
War and Aion? No they didn't. I played both and their launch can't nearly compare to Rift's launch. Also Aion was a grindfest (and had crapy dungeons with no rewards) and War had almost no engame. Lotro, while i love the game and i played it over one year and still do from time to time, it has some disandvantages, mainly when it comes to combat and pvp.
Here's a handy check list for rating levels of Next-Big-Mmorpgity:
o Polish: Can it has polish?
o Content: Can it has enough pve and pvp content to keep people interested past the 2/3 months post-launch period? (big one, this)
o Long term incentives: Does the game offer great, long term prospects to pursue for individuals and groups?
o Engaging gameplay: Are the game's basic gameplay features fun? (Combat / crafting / trading / traveling, etc).
o Immersive world: Does the gameworld feel 'natural' and rich or does it have distinct artificial factors? Is it large enough?
o Diversity: does the game offer plenty of alternative gameplay aspects apart from pvp and pve? (Tradeskills / exploring / etc).
o Character development: does the game offer enough ways to distinguish yourself in both looks and abilities from the next guy?
o Challenge: Is the game's content challenging enough for experienced players and does it offer plenty of exciting moments?
Might have forgotten about a few things.
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Are you serious? I personally cancelled my Rift sub, but that's mainly because I'm tired of mmo's build around the EQ style and D&D setting, but Rift is far more polished and had a perfect launch, Lotro was ok and the other 2 were bad, heck WAR was downright terrible.
No mmo have had such a good launch since... well ever.
{mod edit} At least you could express yourself in a more moderate way.Not insulting players.
I wonder who is going to write again about Rift if this is the response u can get in this forums ¬¬
I hope moderators do something about it.
Rift certainly has the potential to be the next big thing, but like stated before this is a premature assumption and we would need to revisit this in a month to see if this point still stands. It does look good though so far, early access alone did have over 1 million active accounts, but a lot changes in a month. For all we know that 1 million active accounts could be all they get, but with the way WoW content is going I'd say the numbers will go up, maybe not by leaps and bounds, but i don't see them dropping. As far as the listening to the communites goes I agree they do listen, however they aren't so great at responding. GM tickets currently stay open for days and at launch posts on the forums about the ludicrous wait times weren't met with any response except deletion. The game is still young so only time will tell, I personally really enjoy the game and would recommend all who play or plan on playing to play past the tutorial zone, then make the decision to keep playing or not.
Current MMO: Aion
MMO Watch: Warhammer 40k Online, SWToR, GW2.
Played: Planetside, SWG, EQ, EQ2, L2, WoW, RFO, KAL, MxO, Voyage, RO,Vanguard,Tabula Rasa, Horizons, CoH/CoV,, Lotro, FFXI
First MMO: Everquest (Tunare Server, Ronin/Tide Guild)
Here's me having fun.
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Who's the biggest sheep? The ones that beta'ed the game and liked it or the ones who follow the cho cho train of blind hate, because it's the "cool" thing to do?
Welcome to the table OP, you are rather late and we already know this.
Well, IF they really pull this off, and the subscriptions in 2-3 months are holding steady then Trion will have done a remarkable thing.
Rift has no recognised IP to draw people in.
This is Trion's first game and first MMO.
Most people had no idea what Rift was a few months ago. What hype there was, was player generated during the betas.
So, even you skeptics out there, even if you personally loathe Rift, even if you bought the box just so you could rip it up and use it for toilet paper, yes even YOU, have got to concede that Rift is doing brilliantly well.
What would the next big MMO success look like (at this stage) if it didn't look like RIft is looking now?
Anyone?
I couldn't agree more with this statement.
Can anybody remember back in the 80's? People were taking risks left and right. The reason why we got such epic titles like Zelda, Mario Bros., Megaman, Castlevania etc. was because people were willing to take immense risks by introducing new concepts.
The trend continued, especially when the SNES hit, until we got the PS and inevitably the modern genre of 3d/2d+ games that we now enjoy.
It can definitely be argued that WoW was a rehash of EQ, or even AO SL, but not in the same way that Rift is like WoW. To have an identical interface, COMPLETELY identical gameplay and even classes (this is something had to prove, but I think it's fair to say that a lot of the classes are isomorphic to ones in WoW) is really going overboard in the lack of risk department.
Imagine if games had only been improved versions of zelda, megaman, final fantasy (lolol.. well we've seen that outcome..), or even pong. How would modern games look today? 3d balls with paddles? No thank you.
There have been games that have tried radically new things, but have failed due to not being able to actually implement core content properly, publish (i.e. financial reasons), or even work properly. I understand that this might have created an atmosphere that favors functionality and quality over content and innovation, but isn't it time that gamers demanded a bit more in terms of gameplay than the standard auto-attack/hot-key fest?
AoC was considered a massive failure by most of the community, but it had a lot of great qualities that have frequently been overlooked, which was, during it's release, it's innovative combat system. Directional shields, AoE attacks (no auto-attacks, unless you were a bow user.. and spells were standard fare), combos, ... it boasted a lot for it's time. Of course it's performance on most machines was kind of crappy and overwhelming for the standard fare; that coupled with it's lack of content made the game a relative "failure".
Chronicles of Spellborne.. a game that should have been never was. Targeted attacks, a neat spell rotation system that required some degree of strategy and AWESOME quests (well some were ridiculously awesome puzzle quests and event quests, others were kind of horrible...). The difficulty, depending on your class, varied from ridiculously hard to moderate. It was a decent game, but died due to it's publisher and the fact that it also lacked upper level content and even proved to be too challenging for the average mmoer.
I honestly have to say that I enjoyed playing AoC MUCH more than rift, even in it's shitty, buggy state that literally killed my system due to the stress it put on my hardware (my fault though for overclocking). When I played Rift I felt as if i had logged back into WoW, but with better graphics. Maybe my utility function is out of whack with your own, but I can't stand doing the same damn thing I have done since 2001 anymore.
This is a sequence of characters intended to produce some profound mental effect, but it has failed.
honeymoon period is not over yet, at least wait one month after the free month runs out.