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"Fear not death; for the sooner we die, the longer shall we be immortal."
As in adaptation without comfortability?
I might misinterpret the last statement. Could you explain? Comfortability as in a conscious state of mind?
As in they can survive in that enviroment. But they feel as though it isn't their home enviroment and they aren't comfortable in it.
"Fear not death; for the sooner we die, the longer shall we be immortal."
As in adaptation without comfortability?
I might misinterpret the last statement. Could you explain? Comfortability as in a conscious state of mind?
As in they can survive in that enviroment. But they feel as though it isn't their home enviroment and they aren't comfortable in it.
Well now we head towards a philosophical debate. If all creatures had a notion of feeling at home (in the right place) and a memory of home is not part of a new creature then any newborn creature would feel at home. However this does not mean it is in balance with its environment.
"Fear not death; for the sooner we die, the longer shall we be immortal."
This place is full of tree-huggers and tofu fartn' faeries...
oops.
Sorry bout that people. Second time I've posted in the wrong thread.
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
Depends how i'm feeling. Either just sit back and enjoy it.
Or put on socks and turn up the heater.
"Fear not death; for the sooner we die, the longer shall we be immortal."
Depends how i'm feeling. Either just sit back and enjoy it.
Or put on socks and turn up the heater.
So you alter your normal situation to adapt to a change in the surrounding enviorment. Now multiply this change by 1000 decide what you have to do to change to remain 'comfortable' in this change. You may grasp whats actually being discussed.
This place is full of tree-huggers and tofu fartn' faeries...
This place is full of tree-huggers and tofu fartn' faeries...
Quite a discussion... I'm very surprised that it's lasted this long. Perhaps some day I can actually catch up (but I doubt it
).
Just to toss out a random point of view, my personal view is that there are many divine beings - none of which are perfect even though they may very well be quite powerful.
I also don't worship any diety although I do try to personally respect and honor one.
Although some may consider it strange, it is an incredibly comforting thought to know that my Lady is not perfect even with her wisdom and power. I wouldn't "replace her" with a perfect being even if there was one.
I grew up with family who are very bible focused. They read it every day, talk about it every day, and go to church two or three times per week. It has only resolved the way that I personally view things.
~Mysk
But then wouldn't that mean, if it was out of balance, they'd cease to exist if that enviroment covered all of the earth for a couple thousand+ years?
Yes, probably but not entirely. There is the change of mutation. But then you could say that the mutated specie isn't the original specie and therefor the original specie did not survive.
a hypothesis about such global events. http://www.searchtuna.com:8004/ftlive/2730.html
I'm going for a very basic answer .... no
Or as a more complex answer .......... no I don't
Vivi
In the end, your choices do not matter.
But if time can be navigated, then there is no end.
The ideas of the scientists seems so much more realistic, and seems to explain more, instead of stuff sounding like a story.
"The scientists"? There are Christians who are scientists as well if you're referring to strictly atheistic or agnostic scientists.
and also with the thing on aliens..... what im curious about is why dont they come and land?
Actually I remember one report on TV about this guy who found some strange aircraft akin to what we think as extraterrestrial. It was at rest on the ground, and he told his story about it. I don't know if it was true or not, but that's one instance.
"If a tree falls down and no one is around to hear it does it make a sound?"
It makes sound waves.
Also in answer to someone who said that the appendix has no apparent use... Appendix: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermiform_appendix
When in doubt... Wiki it.
I think tonsils were considered another set of meaningless tissue or organs/whatever at one point in time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonsil
Today we see humans again becoming evolutionary products of their environments
One easy example is the difference in skin color (that I think was a mutation), but of course I wouldn't know for sure.
This is why common species who have enjoyed success in the past leave many fossils and unsucessful species leave few.
What about that one mastodon (or whatever it was) that was found preserved in ice? I'm not saying anything to this statement other than simply asking a question. I'm just curious about that mastodon...
Although I'll say I've never heard of in evolution theory superior begats inferior, inferior begats being of superiority even more so then inferio's predecessor.
One creature, today considered to be inferior, may have been superior in the environment of their time. That's just one thought.
Just to toss out a random point of view, my personal view is that there are many divine beings - none of which are perfect even though they may very well be quite powerful.
To say something is divine is to say that it is supreme (can do anything - at least from my understanding of the word). If something isn't divine but is only part-way divine, then what's to say it isn't only human or humanoid in nature? What happens when humans become very powerful? If there are other intelligent sentient beings (AI?), then would we make them worship us? Divine means supreme in power - not necessarily perfect in morals. But if someone says there are supreme beings (as in plural), then those beings are only supreme to the rest of nature; their own power is not supreme with regard to each other since they'd all be equal. So by the English definition of a God, there can only be one - all others are very powerful beings (but never supreme over everything).
Ok. I think I'm going to take a vacation from this thread. If it's still around when I decide to come back, then I'll probably jump back into it. So far it's been a decent debate. It had a rocky start at first.
"Put your foot where your mouth is." - Wisdom from my grandfather
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Jesus was cool. If I could be like Jesus I would. He was a total rebel and sometimes that's what it takes to kick the self rightous in the ass and get them to wake up. Hello America on your fast train to theocracy.
But if you want to see religion gone wild, look at the terrorists or abortion clinic bombers for that matter.
Or better yet, I saw a movie the other day that sums up modern religions problems and it's exclusionary practices called 'Latter Days'. Check that movie out and see if you want to devote your life to a modern religion.
God's there, but I think he's a little hurt in our hatefulness towards each other.
Actually, as I was using it (and understand it to mean) it simply means to be a deity. Take for example Manaan or Brigit or any of the other names that people are familiar with these days. They were/are thought to be powerful unseen beings that held sway over significant forces in the world. They were gods and goddesses yet the people never thought of them as perfect and all powerful beings.
As for them being human or humoind in nature, I believe that I read at one point that some view that specific parthenon as something very similar to ancient ancestors. I could have very well misunderstood what the article was trying to imply, however.
Deities are by far not all equal in power, actually. Parthenons generally have gods or goddesses that are more powerful than others. For example, Zeus being the king and most powerful of the gods of Olympus.
... and I completely forgot about this post until I brought the window back to screen. I'm going to go ahead and post this now.
~Mysk
I'm not an atheist as I do belive in a higher power. But my view is that this "God" is a jealous and spiteful one that cares little for the going's on of earth. This is the same God that many religions espouse as a benevolent and caring being. But he destroyed the world in a flood. He made a man believe and almost sacrafice his own son to him to atone for some transgression.The list goes on. All this because we didn't worship him soley.
This is the same god that cares so much that he lets little children get raped, tortured and murdered daily.
Then came Jesus. He loved us human types so much so that when his "Father" basically asked him to prove how much he cared he gave his life so that we could be "saved". He at least is worthy of our admiration (Should you belive that he existed etc).
This again is my personal view. Everyone is entitled to their own view of how religion and religious figures are to be taken.
"Fear not death; for the sooner we die, the longer shall we be immortal."
Have it as you will- believe in a deity. The only thing I ask is that you live for life and not for a fairy-tale afterlife.
I personally am strongly agnostic. To me, it does not matter if there is a 'God' or not. If there is and he does not like what I've done with my life, oh well- 'tis but anothers opinion, and I'll keep 'existing.'
I also believe that heaven and hell are states of mind- personally, I am in heaven
. I love everything about life, especially the imperfections. I would go as far to say that the imperfections in our world make it perfect. I see everything as picture-perfect because it is all so very beautiful.
That's just what I think, but really- does it matter at all? Does anything matter? All I ask is that you live your life for what you know today, not for what you don't know tomorrow.
The problem with the Old Testament, is that it really is only man's interpertation of God. Everytime an War or disaster broke out, it was always God's fault in ancient times. You also have to remember that the writing style of ancient world is quite different then ours, and cannot be taken literally. With Noah, although there is eviedence of a massive near east flood, I doubt very much it was God's work. It is was more of the everlasting question of "Why??". The story of Issac, again, comes down to this, another interpertation of God. A more likely story is that the land hasn't recieved rain in months. All of the villagers(pagans) around Abramham tell him to sarcafice Issac, as they have already done with there sons. Abramham refuses for awhile, but relizes he will die unless rain comes. When he is going to do it, rain comes and the writer figures it must have been a great mirace of God.
Humans are resonsible for their own evil. If God interferes with life on earth, freewill is broken. Humans would be nothing but robots, and be controlled to do good. That's not what God wants. For there to be a accurate weighting of the souls, we must be tested not controled.
"(Should you belive that he existed etc). "
Finally, there is no doubt that Jesus existed. That is historical proof. Josephus, Pliny the Younger, Lucian and other historians write about Jesus. All are pagans, and have no motiviation to make Jesus "real".
why yes, yes I do.
For me its sort of hard. My family is christans on my moms side, and my Dad is Catholic, But im still not really sure about it myself. I like the idea of someone up there watching over me, but everything seems so unrealistic. I dont like the idea of basing my beliefs on something i am not sure about. For one there has never been any "signs" from God that i notice, or can even find if I look hard. The ideas of the scientists seems so much more realistic, and seems to explain more, instead of stuff sounding like a story. So basically, Do i believe in God? i dont know. Night all
"signs" shouldnt be the thing that convinces you that there is a God. I know it would help but there have been things that should have convinced you that there is a God. But the fact that were in a bubble in America were oblivious to everything that is going on around us and too see how blessed i am is all i need to believe in God.
Oh yes and slowly all the evolution is going down the drain, evolution is being disproven.
Ok i dont agree with anything you wrote there its totaly one sided please explain to me why people made up Adam and Eve and wrote down their family history including who gave birth to who. And also i dont see how u can also throw out the new testiment where parts are so real and give us answers to our problems like - Gentiles who are without the law ( basicaly people that arnt Jews ) show the law written on their hearts and they excue things as they see fit basicaly just like what you think is wrong my not be wrong to me you see. We dont need God to come down to lets us see with our eyes that hes real we just have to seek him by faith and if you do you will see that hes real you have 1 life and its not worth trying to say that God isnt real when the evidence is all around us.(Evidence in the Desighn)
The logical or "sane" thing to say is you can neither believe or deny the existence of something you've never had personal experience with. There's nothing more ignorant than someone that refuses to to admit the possibility of something just because there isn't enough proof yet. There might not be enought to prove it, but there's not enough to disprove it either, so who's right? The person that believes until proven wrong, or the person who doesn't believe until proven wrong?
I -do- believe in "God" or some form of higher being, although I'm not sure any one religion has it right. As for aliens...I guess I believe in them too, because how do I know they don't exist? And don't you think it's kind of selfish/ignorant to assume we're the only life anywhere? What if aliens don't believe in us? lol
~Laura~
Let this topic die please. It's annoying.