Actually you flat out said that they are not valid themes o.O
Since the last 3-4 posts ive always tried to explain the genre and that you dont have to call it that o.O
I still think that these polls should be redone
Edit : just in case it was forgotten, i think these polls should be redone to give more insight into the setting and moving the fps/tps option out of the poll. Or just forget this poll and askfor the permission To use the info on the other poll
I still dont understand your point here. No cyber/steam/whatever are not valid themes. A valid theme is a theme that is in use by more then just a selected group of gamers/developers. A valid theme is Fantasy... everyone uses it, everyone knows what it is, that is what makes it valid. As I mentioned before though, there is no problem doing a cyber/steam/whatever game, its just never going to be called that by the mass populous or marketed as that.
There is nothing that you need to explain about the genres lol I know we dont have to call it that. But that is also why its not on the polls. We know what cyber/steam is and the other various types. That is the reason the other poll is not being used. That among other reasons.
Quite obviously im not talking to a person who wishes to make a game. A setting and a theme is a setting and a theme.
You were asking for some what we want and we gave a specific answer but dismiss them Off? Seriously. If we said fantasy what do you know what kind of fantasy game the people wanted when They voted? Would it be more gothic fantasy like castlevania? Happy anime fantasy? Medieval fantasy?
You say its not in use but I gave several instances of where they were in use (full metal alchemist, some final fantasy games, deus ex, matrix, wild arms series, star ocean till the end of time, chocobos dungeon worlds, legend of mana ps1, supposedly trigun but ive never seen, tails concerto(sp?), dark cloud, arcanum, certain parts of warcraft universe)
again would you count that some said they wanted a horror fantasy type or are you going to go "oh ok fantasy" and ignore o.O this is exactly how genres start freezing in place. Also you say next gen mmo this n that. 5 years from Now is a long long time so you better start innovatin on it or it wont be next gen. Itll be lastgen.
again im communicating with the person who was asking for opinions and NOT the mainstream. Different audiences different explanations ive said that over and over even if it is kind of in between the lines.
The way youre treating it sounds like you have no idea how to market games or even create settings and themes o.o Seriously. anyone with a marketing degree can fix your problems with marketing a game thats different from the rest. The way youre talking about those themes seems to be like theyre something sooooo radically different that its going to be impossible o.O As for your comment in the beginning "Introducing the next gen steampunk/cyberpunk mmo" seriously? Just drop the cyberpunk and be done with it. Write an overview of the world and how its different.
I dont see the problem youre seeing at all. Get a decent art lead who knows whatever genre and make it work -.- a steampunk world has quite a bit in common with wow(mostly the gnomes and goblins places) A cyberpunk world has.. Well il just point you to matrix. Again youre dismissing genres because of what a specific niche calls them?
oh well o.O i dont mind their dismissal but i find the reasons why quite... Alarming. A theme is a theme. Take the name out and the theme is still the same. These are the kinds of things that a person with very little imagination can work. I can understand saying "im not passionate about those genres so i will pass onthem" or "our artists will have a hard time using those themes" but... Because of the name? Whats stopping you from calling a steampunk world a "fantasy world where alchemy and technology are a part of the daily Struggle for whatever"?
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Quite obviously im not talking to a person who wishes to make a game. A setting and a theme is a setting and a theme.
You were asking for some what we want and we gave a specific answer but dismiss them Off? Seriously. If we said fantasy what do you know what kind of fantasy game the people wanted when They voted? Would it be more gothic fantasy like castlevania? Happy anime fantasy? Medieval fantasy?
You say its not in use but I gave several instances of where they were in use (full metal alchemist, some final fantasy games, deus ex, matrix, wild arms series, star ocean till the end of time, chocobos dungeon worlds, legend of mana ps1, supposedly trigun but ive never seen, tails concerto(sp?), dark cloud, arcanum, certain parts of warcraft universe)
again would you count that some said they wanted a horror fantasy type or are you going to go "oh ok fantasy" and ignore o.O this is exactly how genres start freezing in place. Also you say next gen mmo this n that. 5 years from Now is a long long time so you better start innovatin on it or it wont be next gen. Itll be lastgen.
again im communicating with the person who was asking for opinions and NOT the mainstream. Different audiences different explanations ive said that over and over even if it is kind of in between the lines.
The way youre treating it sounds like you have no idea how to market games or even create settings and themes o.o Seriously. anyone with a marketing degree can fix your problems with marketing a game thats different from the rest. The way youre talking about those themes seems to be like theyre something sooooo radically different that its going to be impossible o.O As for your comment in the beginning "Introducing the next gen steampunk/cyberpunk mmo" seriously? Just drop the cyberpunk and be done with it. Write an overview of the world and how its different.
I dont see the problem youre seeing at all. Get a decent art lead who knows whatever genre and make it work -.- a steampunk world has quite a bit in common with wow(mostly the gnomes and goblins places) A cyberpunk world has.. Well il just point you to matrix. Again youre dismissing genres because of what a specific niche calls them?
oh well o.O i dont mind their dismissal but i find the reasons why quite... Alarming. A theme is a theme. Take the name out and the theme is still the same. These are the kinds of things that a person with very little imagination can work. I can understand saying "im not passionate about those genres so i will pass onthem" or "our artists will have a hard time using those themes" but... Because of the name? Whats stopping you from calling a steampunk world a "fantasy world where alchemy and technology are a part of the daily Struggle for whatever"?
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The only person that is dismissing anything is you. I have not ever once said we would not do a cyber/steam/whatever game. It seems like you are not reading things fully. The only thing I have said that we are not doing, is labeling a game as steam/cyber/whatever punk. I have said many times that they are all possible games to be developed and are being taken into consideration. So where you are getting the rage from is unkown.
If a Fantasy game is what we choose, who is to say we cant have another poll with the cyber/steampunk as a choice of a fantasy world?
This poll is not the end all be all for the game. Everyone else seems to know that a game at the starting phases can become anything.
Anyways...
Thanks everyone so far for all your ideas and support! Everything in here and the other 2 polls are currently under review starting tomorrow and will be for the next month! So keep the ideas rolling and let us know what is important to you!
That is yout first mension of possibly using them actually. You always just said that they are not viable themes which means you were dismissing them o.O
i still think you need to restructure the polls. They seem... Quite caged. The only one i voted For iirc was the control method i think.
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I hope you aren't this argumentative in real life. You act as if you are invested in this project. If someone doesn't think your idea is their top priority, they have dismissed it aren't seriously considering what they say they are?
The person certainly seems to be taking every idea and at least noting it and possibly putting it in context of the poll.
You should step back, give your ideas and let them run with what they have, not make sure your topic is their most important priority. I don't think his project will ever get started if he needs to deal with everyone who thinks their idea is the one.
Just in case it will be a medieval fantasy mmoRPG i would suggest to you if u never have done it before you start proggraming codes for the game to install to your computer and play for at least 2 weeks the following games . Mount and blade Warband and oblivion.
Play them carefully observe the combat system,learn from them, see what elements you could take from them and combine them in your game.
Agreed. But they should also try out a little pen and paper RPGs, like Palladium, Runequest and Warhammer fantasy RPG (not D&D).
And go down to the local ARMA and talk a little with guys that actually know how to use a weapon and have real knowledge about weapons and armor (if nothing else can you find someone for the motion suit there).
Just playing other computer games for ideas isn't good. A few back to basics helps.
MMOs and single player RPGs are based on pen and paper RPGs. P&P RPGs are based on fantasy books that are based on medeivel Europe and actual battles. Knowledge of those things will give you ideas that havn't been used a zillion times.
What do Meridian 59, UO and Everquest have in common? They were made by pen and paper RPG players in an attempt to recreate the wonders of roleplaying to a computer, To make a good game you need to have more knowledge than just abou Wow.
So I agree with you, Tazar.
Well my main worryabout is mostly, that many new programers,closest thing to an rpg ever played was ps2 final fantasy.
What i meant by thry could install and play themselfs older succesfull rpg is that if thay take a taste of what older rpg's were about,they maybe able aferwards to transfuse some doses of that magic to the new mmorpgs they develop.
I loved ad&d ,but im not sure if many programmers nowdays even know what the intial letters stand for.
UO was the most rich in depth mmorpg till our days. You could do practically anything, could be anyone u want ,loads of tools choises actions for the players. We havent seen anything close to Uo so far and its what? 12? 14 years after?
Graficks are way better allright nowdays. None can play anymore uo in 2d allright. All i ask is an mmorpg that finally focuses on gameplay and the medieval fantasy society that supoosely surrounds the game they make.
Ultimately there are many ethistic rpg's that u could take ideas from and improve them further.Forget oblivion mount n blade. Even sacred 1 had the skill ranks dropped and make combos of various skills creating other combos. Severance blade of darkness? try to fight a simple goblin in there and parry an attack in time,perform some succesfull combos. Simple in creation but deep in gameplay. Whoever played severance with barbarian understands perfectly what realistic combat is all about. Spam mindless attacks? u get parried and punished. Attack 4-5 times the air instead of the target? Your character gets fatigued. Right strategic movement in the space round enemies? beneficial..
Well my main worryabout is mostly, that many new programers,closest thing to an rpg ever played was ps2 final fantasy.
What i meant by thry could install and play themselfs older succesfull rpg is that if thay take a taste of what older rpg's were about,they maybe able aferwards to transfuse some doses of that magic to the new mmorpgs they develop.
I loved ad&d ,but im not sure if many programmers nowdays even know what the intial letters stand for.
UO was the most rich in depth mmorpg till our days. You could do practically anything, could be anyone u want ,loads of tools choises actions for the players. We havent seen anything close to Uo so far and its what? 12? 14 years after?
Graficks are way better allright nowdays. None can play anymore uo in 2d allright. All i ask is an mmorpg that finally focuses on gameplay and the medieval fantasy society that supoosely surrounds the game they make.
Ultimately there are many ethistic rpg's that u could take ideas from and improve them further.Forget oblivion mount n blade. Even sacred 1 had the skill ranks dropped and make combos of various skills creating other combos. Severance blade of darkness? try to fight a simple goblin in there and parry an attack in time,perform some succesfull combos. Simple in creation but deep in gameplay. Whoever played severance with barbarian understands perfectly what realistic combat is all about. Spam mindless attacks? u get parried and punished. Attack 4-5 times the air instead of the target? Your character gets fatigued. Right strategic movement in the space round enemies? beneficial..
Still, you never can get the true potential of a RPG without playing a pen and paper game. The only game that ever been close to that is Bioware Neverwinter nights.
And yes, I know it stand for "advanced, I used to play 2ed, but I always prefered Runequest and Warhammer fantasy RPG myself.
Sure there are many ideas you could borrow from single player RPGs. But the real magic really is in P&P still, there are so many good ideas there that would work great in a MMO.
I am still pissed on Mythic for not using the original Warhammer RPG mechanics for WAR, they would have worked excellent in a MMO and would have offered a new and exciting gameplay instead of the same old.
Well my main worryabout is mostly, that many new programers,closest thing to an rpg ever played was ps2 final fantasy.
What i meant by thry could install and play themselfs older succesfull rpg is that if thay take a taste of what older rpg's were about,they maybe able aferwards to transfuse some doses of that magic to the new mmorpgs they develop.
I loved ad&d ,but im not sure if many programmers nowdays even know what the intial letters stand for.
UO was the most rich in depth mmorpg till our days. You could do practically anything, could be anyone u want ,loads of tools choises actions for the players. We havent seen anything close to Uo so far and its what? 12? 14 years after?
Graficks are way better allright nowdays. None can play anymore uo in 2d allright. All i ask is an mmorpg that finally focuses on gameplay and the medieval fantasy society that supoosely surrounds the game they make.
Ultimately there are many ethistic rpg's that u could take ideas from and improve them further.Forget oblivion mount n blade. Even sacred 1 had the skill ranks dropped and make combos of various skills creating other combos. Severance blade of darkness? try to fight a simple goblin in there and parry an attack in time,perform some succesfull combos. Simple in creation but deep in gameplay. Whoever played severance with barbarian understands perfectly what realistic combat is all about. Spam mindless attacks? u get parried and punished. Attack 4-5 times the air instead of the target? Your character gets fatigued. Right strategic movement in the space round enemies? beneficial..
Still, you never can get the true potential of a RPG without playing a pen and paper game. The only game that ever been close to that is Bioware Neverwinter nights.
And yes, I know it stand for "advanced, I used to play 2ed, but I always prefered Runequest and Warhammer fantasy RPG myself.
Sure there are many ideas you could borrow from single player RPGs. But the real magic really is in P&P still, there are so many good ideas there that would work great in a MMO.
I am still pissed on Mythic for not using the original Warhammer RPG mechanics for WAR, they would have worked excellent in a MMO and would have offered a new and exciting gameplay instead of the same old.
I liked a lot nwn1. Played also loads of mods(especially tortured hearths 1 which if u play it is almost like playing ad&d pen n paper u didnt know much of hat's happening around,gathering infos from citizens,learning the lore of game as u kept playing, many random spawns encounters out of nowhere etc etc) .Had lots of fun also in narc's blood nwn1 multiplayer mod. which was strict rp that one.
d&d has is indeed a huge source of knwoledge database that could be taken and added to mmos under development.
From my side i was pissed alot with turbine..Gee what aa loss of opporunity DDO was. I played it but..they had the chance to create a unique mmorpg based on d&d rulesets,with adventuring exploring ..man they just made a farming dungeons proceedure..JES! Not that i didnt liked dungons or combat but..they could so many things with it but instead they choosed to limit it to instances ... they could make the absolute Forgoten Realms with rp tools, kings,lords,barons,dukes,basilisks,vampire lords, mercenaries and whatever else u can imagine! CRY CRY CRY
I'm going to call BS on Burnt_Rabbit here. I've dealt with people like this before (in fact, I have my suspicions as to who this is). First, asking for a genre, then listing FPS / 3PS in the mix just goes to show that you don't know what you're talking about. That's not a genre, its a camera position, and could be applied to any genre of game.
Second, I also have to agree that just because you have some weird misconception about the terms cyberpunk and steampunk, doesn't mean the rest of the world does. And the fact that you don't even recognize them as known genres just goes to show that you are either very young or very old (and sheltered). You would be hard-pressed to find anyone on a gaming site who is not familiar with these terms.
The fact that you're claiming to represent a legitimate company, or that you're even being funded for this fiasco is near insulting. "Company is not to be named"? Exactly what backlash are you talking about?
Sorry, this reeks of troll to me, and I seriously doubt we'll ever see a game emerge from this. I would, however, challenge you to prove me wrong. For example, give some kind of evidence that you actually represent any company.
I voted horror because it has barely been done (except for Requiem which for the life of me I couldn't figure out how to download)
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I voted horror because it has barely been done (except for Requiem which for the life of me I couldn't figure out how to download)
well youre not missing much. Its just a typical grinder except there is a lot of blood and monsters look freaky.
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I like the western mmo idea, I suggested one on these forums a while back. The idea was to combine fantasy, horror, and 3ps elements into a western setting. Mainly relying on the myths and lore of native peoples as well as european myths brought over with settlers. It was one of the few times in history that the world was filled with stories of monsters, but I just liked the idea of having people running around weilding pistols and the like, then clicking their skills tabs to whip out a mystic saber, or throw an alchemical bomb to kill some monster in a flashy skill move.
I vote for a western MMO as well. As others, I'm tired of elves, dwarves and other fantasy nonsense. On the other hand, a MMO like Mount and Blade could be interesting as well. I played Werewolf: The Apocalypse PnP game..and one of the best times we had was in a setting in the early 1900's in North America. I guess I would like to see a western themed world where occult and supernatural forces are present as well. No magic, no random goblins, none of that.
Designing such a world would be challenging, but otherwise limitless. Old West theme also brings you back to limited weaponry, large swathes of undeveloped country, more advanced cultures across large oceans, etc. Lots of potential.
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I vote for a western MMO as well. As others, I'm tired of elves, dwarves and other fantasy nonsense. On the other hand, a MMO like Mount and Blade could be interesting as well. I played Werewolf: The Apocalypse PnP game..and one of the best times we had was in a setting in the early 1900's in North America. I guess I would like to see a western themed world where occult and supernatural forces are present as well. No magic, no random goblins, none of that.
Designing such a world would be challenging, but otherwise limitless. Old West theme also brings you back to limited weaponry, large swathes of undeveloped country, more advanced cultures across large oceans, etc. Lots of potential.
Deadlands: Weird West. Kinda interesting PnP game with that theme.
I would like a Modern-Sci-Steam-Medieval blahblahblah mixed Fantasy.
I basically want to see something that doesn't fully fit into a single genre, much like all the real cool worlds are. Too many "make a basic fantasy," "make a basic sci-fi." I'm really sick of that...get someone with a great imagination to make a cool basic vision of the world. Honestly I don't expect this to happen, as MMOs generally have the most generic worlds ever, but I really would love to see it.
Other than that I would like to see a Near Future Sci-fi, Modern Fantasy, or Alternative History.
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I'm going to call BS on Burnt_Rabbit here. I've dealt with people like this before (in fact, I have my suspicions as to who this is). First, asking for a genre, then listing FPS / 3PS in the mix just goes to show that you don't know what you're talking about. That's not a genre, its a camera position, and could be applied to any genre of game.
Second, I also have to agree that just because you have some weird misconception about the terms cyberpunk and steampunk, doesn't mean the rest of the world does. And the fact that you don't even recognize them as known genres just goes to show that you are either very young or very old (and sheltered). You would be hard-pressed to find anyone on a gaming site who is not familiar with these terms.
The fact that you're claiming to represent a legitimate company, or that you're even being funded for this fiasco is near insulting. "Company is not to be named"? Exactly what backlash are you talking about?
Sorry, this reeks of troll to me, and I seriously doubt we'll ever see a game emerge from this. I would, however, challenge you to prove me wrong. For example, give some kind of evidence that you actually represent any company.
Apparently we r not Allowed to say someone is Trolling - as that is concidered Trolling in itself, which carries an email or Warning.
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I voted Fantasy for the simple fact that lore-wise it's probably the easiest to develop and to appeal to a mass population. However, I would really like to see a medieval MMO taking place worldwide where you can choose the nation you start with and go from there to world domination. For example, (Japan would have Ashigaru soldiers/Katana/Bows/Matchlocks etc.) and other nations would have their respective armies/weapons.
Good luck with whatever project you guys choose to go with though :-)
I voted Fantasy for the simple fact that lore-wise it's probably the easiest to develop and to appeal to a mass population. However, I would really like to see a medieval MMO taking place worldwide where you can choose the nation you start with and go from there to world domination. For example, (Japan would have Ashigaru soldiers/Katana/Bows/Matchlocks etc.) and other nations would have their respective armies/weapons.
Good luck with whatever project you guys choose to go with though :-)
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I voted for Fantasy, but if the MMO is well done, I would be interested in a horror MMO or possibly a historical MMO. Especially for a historical MMO, I see chances to make it a good sandbox, with chances for guilds to dominate towns/regions, etc. However, a lot of research would have to be done for that, so I would be totally okay with a well-developed fantasy MMO. The idea with the angels/devils sounds interesting also. Anyway, good luck with your project!
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I still dont understand your point here. No cyber/steam/whatever are not valid themes. A valid theme is a theme that is in use by more then just a selected group of gamers/developers. A valid theme is Fantasy... everyone uses it, everyone knows what it is, that is what makes it valid. As I mentioned before though, there is no problem doing a cyber/steam/whatever game, its just never going to be called that by the mass populous or marketed as that.
There is nothing that you need to explain about the genres lol I know we dont have to call it that. But that is also why its not on the polls. We know what cyber/steam is and the other various types. That is the reason the other poll is not being used. That among other reasons.
You were asking for some what we want and we gave a specific answer but dismiss them
Off? Seriously. If we said fantasy what do you know what kind of fantasy game the people wanted when
They voted? Would it be more gothic fantasy like castlevania? Happy anime fantasy? Medieval fantasy?
You say its not in use but I gave several instances of where they were in use (full metal alchemist, some final fantasy games, deus ex, matrix, wild arms series, star ocean till the end of time, chocobos dungeon worlds, legend of mana ps1, supposedly trigun but ive never seen, tails concerto(sp?), dark cloud, arcanum, certain parts of warcraft universe)
again would you count that some said they wanted a horror fantasy type or are you going to go "oh ok fantasy" and ignore o.O this is exactly how genres start freezing in place. Also you say next gen mmo this n that. 5 years from
Now is a long long time so you better start innovatin on it or it wont be next gen. Itll be lastgen.
again im communicating with the person who was asking for opinions and NOT the mainstream. Different audiences different explanations ive said that over and over even if it is kind of in between the lines.
The way youre treating it sounds like you have no idea how to market games or even create settings and themes o.o Seriously. anyone with a marketing degree can fix your problems with marketing a game thats different from the rest. The way youre talking about those themes seems to be like theyre something sooooo radically different that its going to be impossible o.O As for your comment in the beginning "Introducing the next gen steampunk/cyberpunk mmo" seriously? Just drop the cyberpunk and be done with it. Write an overview of the world and how its different.
I dont see the problem youre seeing at all. Get a decent art lead who knows whatever genre and make it work -.- a steampunk world has quite a bit in common with wow(mostly the gnomes and goblins places) A cyberpunk world has.. Well il just point you to matrix. Again youre dismissing genres because of what a specific niche calls them?
oh well o.O i dont mind their dismissal but i find the reasons why quite... Alarming. A theme is a theme. Take the name out and the theme is still the same. These are the kinds of things that a person with very little imagination can work. I can understand saying "im not passionate about those genres so i will pass onthem" or "our artists will have a hard time using those themes" but... Because of the name? Whats stopping you from calling a steampunk world a "fantasy world where alchemy and technology are a part of the daily
Struggle for whatever"?
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The only person that is dismissing anything is you. I have not ever once said we would not do a cyber/steam/whatever game. It seems like you are not reading things fully. The only thing I have said that we are not doing, is labeling a game as steam/cyber/whatever punk. I have said many times that they are all possible games to be developed and are being taken into consideration. So where you are getting the rage from is unkown.
If a Fantasy game is what we choose, who is to say we cant have another poll with the cyber/steampunk as a choice of a fantasy world?
This poll is not the end all be all for the game. Everyone else seems to know that a game at the starting phases can become anything.
Anyways...
Thanks everyone so far for all your ideas and support! Everything in here and the other 2 polls are currently under review starting tomorrow and will be for the next month! So keep the ideas rolling and let us know what is important to you!
i still think you need to restructure the polls. They seem... Quite caged. The only one i voted
For iirc was the control method i think.
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I hope you aren't this argumentative in real life. You act as if you are invested in this project. If someone doesn't think your idea is their top priority, they have dismissed it aren't seriously considering what they say they are?
The person certainly seems to be taking every idea and at least noting it and possibly putting it in context of the poll.
You should step back, give your ideas and let them run with what they have, not make sure your topic is their most important priority. I don't think his project will ever get started if he needs to deal with everyone who thinks their idea is the one.
Well my main worryabout is mostly, that many new programers,closest thing to an rpg ever played was ps2 final fantasy.
What i meant by thry could install and play themselfs older succesfull rpg is that if thay take a taste of what older rpg's were about,they maybe able aferwards to transfuse some doses of that magic to the new mmorpgs they develop.
I loved ad&d ,but im not sure if many programmers nowdays even know what the intial letters stand for.
UO was the most rich in depth mmorpg till our days. You could do practically anything, could be anyone u want ,loads of tools choises actions for the players. We havent seen anything close to Uo so far and its what? 12? 14 years after?
Graficks are way better allright nowdays. None can play anymore uo in 2d allright. All i ask is an mmorpg that finally focuses on gameplay and the medieval fantasy society that supoosely surrounds the game they make.
Ultimately there are many ethistic rpg's that u could take ideas from and improve them further.Forget oblivion mount n blade. Even sacred 1 had the skill ranks dropped and make combos of various skills creating other combos. Severance blade of darkness? try to fight a simple goblin in there and parry an attack in time,perform some succesfull combos. Simple in creation but deep in gameplay. Whoever played severance with barbarian understands perfectly what realistic combat is all about. Spam mindless attacks? u get parried and punished. Attack 4-5 times the air instead of the target? Your character gets fatigued. Right strategic movement in the space round enemies? beneficial..
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Still, you never can get the true potential of a RPG without playing a pen and paper game. The only game that ever been close to that is Bioware Neverwinter nights.
And yes, I know it stand for "advanced, I used to play 2ed, but I always prefered Runequest and Warhammer fantasy RPG myself.
Sure there are many ideas you could borrow from single player RPGs. But the real magic really is in P&P still, there are so many good ideas there that would work great in a MMO.
I am still pissed on Mythic for not using the original Warhammer RPG mechanics for WAR, they would have worked excellent in a MMO and would have offered a new and exciting gameplay instead of the same old.
I liked a lot nwn1. Played also loads of mods(especially tortured hearths 1 which if u play it is almost like playing ad&d pen n paper u didnt know much of hat's happening around,gathering infos from citizens,learning the lore of game as u kept playing, many random spawns encounters out of nowhere etc etc) .Had lots of fun also in narc's blood nwn1 multiplayer mod. which was strict rp that one.
d&d has is indeed a huge source of knwoledge database that could be taken and added to mmos under development.
From my side i was pissed alot with turbine..Gee what aa loss of opporunity DDO was. I played it but..they had the chance to create a unique mmorpg based on d&d rulesets,with adventuring exploring ..man they just made a farming dungeons proceedure..JES! Not that i didnt liked dungons or combat but..they could so many things with it but instead they choosed to limit it to instances ... they could make the absolute Forgoten Realms with rp tools, kings,lords,barons,dukes,basilisks,vampire lords, mercenaries and whatever else u can imagine! CRY CRY CRY
Cyberpunk 2020 - Shadowrun style
Im 34 years old, and 15 of them liking cyberpunk theme
I'm going to call BS on Burnt_Rabbit here. I've dealt with people like this before (in fact, I have my suspicions as to who this is). First, asking for a genre, then listing FPS / 3PS in the mix just goes to show that you don't know what you're talking about. That's not a genre, its a camera position, and could be applied to any genre of game.
Second, I also have to agree that just because you have some weird misconception about the terms cyberpunk and steampunk, doesn't mean the rest of the world does. And the fact that you don't even recognize them as known genres just goes to show that you are either very young or very old (and sheltered). You would be hard-pressed to find anyone on a gaming site who is not familiar with these terms.
The fact that you're claiming to represent a legitimate company, or that you're even being funded for this fiasco is near insulting. "Company is not to be named"? Exactly what backlash are you talking about?
Sorry, this reeks of troll to me, and I seriously doubt we'll ever see a game emerge from this. I would, however, challenge you to prove me wrong. For example, give some kind of evidence that you actually represent any company.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberpunk
Yeah, its never going to called that, or marketed as that, by anyone.....
I voted horror because it has barely been done (except for Requiem which for the life of me I couldn't figure out how to download)
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I vote for a western MMO as well. As others, I'm tired of elves, dwarves and other fantasy nonsense. On the other hand, a MMO like Mount and Blade could be interesting as well. I played Werewolf: The Apocalypse PnP game..and one of the best times we had was in a setting in the early 1900's in North America. I guess I would like to see a western themed world where occult and supernatural forces are present as well. No magic, no random goblins, none of that.
Designing such a world would be challenging, but otherwise limitless. Old West theme also brings you back to limited weaponry, large swathes of undeveloped country, more advanced cultures across large oceans, etc. Lots of potential.
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Deadlands: Weird West. Kinda interesting PnP game with that theme.
I'd like to see a well done Fantasy/post-apoc mmorpg
I was thinking the same thing.
Could Not Believe Fantasy Was Top! Nearly EVERY darn game seems to follow the same path.
We need Fresh Blood
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I would like a Modern-Sci-Steam-Medieval blahblahblah mixed Fantasy.
I basically want to see something that doesn't fully fit into a single genre, much like all the real cool worlds are. Too many "make a basic fantasy," "make a basic sci-fi." I'm really sick of that...get someone with a great imagination to make a cool basic vision of the world. Honestly I don't expect this to happen, as MMOs generally have the most generic worlds ever, but I really would love to see it.
Other than that I would like to see a Near Future Sci-fi, Modern Fantasy, or Alternative History.
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western or other historical mmo would be cool too!
Apparently we r not Allowed to say someone is Trolling - as that is concidered Trolling in itself, which carries an email or Warning.
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So what is "midevil fantasy", anyway ?
I voted Fantasy for the simple fact that lore-wise it's probably the easiest to develop and to appeal to a mass population. However, I would really like to see a medieval MMO taking place worldwide where you can choose the nation you start with and go from there to world domination. For example, (Japan would have Ashigaru soldiers/Katana/Bows/Matchlocks etc.) and other nations would have their respective armies/weapons.
Good luck with whatever project you guys choose to go with though :-)
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I voted for Fantasy, but if the MMO is well done, I would be interested in a horror MMO or possibly a historical MMO. Especially for a historical MMO, I see chances to make it a good sandbox, with chances for guilds to dominate towns/regions, etc. However, a lot of research would have to be done for that, so I would be totally okay with a well-developed fantasy MMO. The idea with the angels/devils sounds interesting also. Anyway, good luck with your project!