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I had sex with a 12 year old. In fact, she had sex with me, because I didn't have a clue at the time, as i was 12 as well (which is probably the only thing that will keep people in this forum from immeadiatly burning me on a stake).
So, what's your point again?
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Ah yes the joys of living in a world where parents use TV and MMOs to baby sit there kids, instead of actually being a parent. I am so glad I was raised before it became a norm for parents to stop being part of their kids life and they use crap to keep them busy so they do not have to deal with them. Because we work a job we are tired, and we do not want to have to work at home, and actually pay attention to our kids when we get home. We would rather pay for a MMO account, console, or TV so the kids can take care of themselves. /sob
You don't fall in love with a twelve year old. I work with fifth graders everyday and the thought of... Just no. And I'm just short of 22.
I've met countless 12 year olds on MMOs. I'd have to say almost all of them are dumber than a sack of bricks except for a few exceptional ones, but even they share that 12 year old annoying gene. They're not capable of love at that age because it doesn't make any sense to them. They become obsessed with what they imagine love is. But obsession isn't love. And faking death to be with some creeper is not love, it's stupidity.
I mean, this girl is just as stupid as every other party in this whole situation. GREAT YOU GOT THERE NOW WHAT? Gonna get a job? Oh wait. Gonna enroll in school? No because I wanna play WoW all day and make out with my boyfriend. This is like a cyber Maury Povitch show.
And how they expected to get away with this just proves that their brains are made of mushy bread crumbs in the first place.
I totally get where you are coming. I really do. I had a girl buddy who was 16 and I was 18 I waited until she was 18 (then me 20) to even start to flirt.
Now there is nothing here about sex. To be a man of law.... Give me a moment of your time.
You cannot prove without a doubt that he actually motivated her to do such a stupid act. This suicide letter sounds like a childs tool more than anything. Something a 12 year old girl would actually do. (We know how tweens are). The same time we cannot prove without shadow of doubt she was not cohersed. Sure chat logs can come into play here, but phone conversations were not tapped so who can say but those two.
For the social contract, I'm not saying I agree or disagree. Because it's all relative to how you were brought up. Social norms in one part of our country are TOTALLY different in another.
These are just young people doing what young people do best. Be stupid. He should not be railed so hard without consideration of his mental state and we must also question why a girl would easily leave her life behind to live in an abandoned house?
There is more to this story than what we interweb detective know.
No its not legal here as well, but you dont get your life ruined by a teenager love story so easily here...
Guess we germans just need to be cautious when we visit US. since you guys got some real wierd law stuff over there.
I think living in a country whit boobs hanging out on every streetcrossing and TV full of cursing and 'naughty' stuff (all in the POV of US. measurement) we are just ... pew.. not so much shocked about stuff like this.
I actually have enjoyed learning about German law and the like. You don't get your life melted for being an idiot.
Seriously folks this "kid" is looking at Pen time with real criminals and we're gonna be footing the bill?
REALLY?!
I know a evil person when I see one. I just do; it's in my opinion of course. This guy is not deserving of jail time. This is one time where I am going to say slap his wrist, slap her wrist and move on.
If you want to get crazy technical, he's actually normal in the world and we're the weirdo's.
You do realize this yes? That the average marriage in the world is roughly 12-14 and the male is 18-40?
This is human. It's how we operate. We just happen to listen to what "Society" (and invisible construct btw, society.) states is "Moral" which is contrary to the majority of the world.
Try to see it from the perspective of everyone else. BUT the US of A (the land of hardcore porn)
Yup thats pretty much it, although the 'youth law' thing is not so great as well. Its meant to give young adults a seconds chance, unfortunately also a 3rd, 4th , and whatever they want to try out before the finaly turn 21 and are fully punishable.
Most 'young adults' get that message in a wrong way. Thers so many idiots rioting in big citys here that you could think they understand their 18 to 21 'do-what-you-want' phase just to break stuff and burgle people without facing a real law punishment.
meh. German Law system sucks as well.
Your argument works from the viewpoint of the law. Insufficient proof and evidence and all that.
My argument works from the viewpoint of a father who wants to protect their daughter.
A parent's duties is to kill, maim, torture and destroy all who get in the way of their offspring's well being.
Since we're humans, we've decided to be civilized about it. You don't go raiding my house to steal my stuff and my children, I don't set you on fire and stab you on suspicion of being suspicious.. Theoretically, when one of us breaks that contract, the law is supposed to intervene and take over the punishment. The closer you get to really, really primal behaviors, the more bets are off. You don't get much more primal than protecting your children.
It's sort of like how if a guy walks in on another guy with his wife (Uh oh! Interference of mating rights! Social contract violated!), the guy in bed should feel lucky if he only gets kicked down the stairs while the other guy is fumbling with the locks on his guns.
Also, the whole picking an airline that doesn't need parental permission, paying for a ticket, having a house for her to squat in all leads to it being his planning. 18 years old is still a prime age to think 'Fake suicide note is a great idea to throw them off track!'. In fact, if he DIDN'T think of the fake suicide note, there's an even bigger gaping hole of failure in his plan than there already is in its sad finished state.
Next trime try using your white knight abilities on a situation that applies to your argument. Allowing her to run away like that, tell the worst lie ever to her parents just so she could be with him is selfish. And I'm pretty sure in most countries, a parent would be worried, no matter the age of the person on the other end.
I don't care if they did act completely innocent, they both need to grow the hell up. If he wants her so bad, obey the law and wait until it's legal. If they're truly in love, they would wait til the END OF DAYS to be together.
Oh right, it's not love. It's gross obsession.
Thats just not even realistic thinking man. lol
"grow up" hahahaha agreed
Teenagers dont wait to be legal to date or have sex. I still think this thing is pretty whacked out but thats just the way it is. Supervision is probably the only real way to stop it, i dunno i havent been a parent or teacher or anything like that.
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Which is why teenagers will never fully understand the meaning of love. There's no justification for gross irresponsibility. I'm pretty sure the argument of "I'm Young 'N Stupid" won't hold out in court too easily.
Love the white knight comment, cheers on that ironic statement.
It's a pity you ...quoted me and failed to address a single issue in said quote. Good job you wasted air (type) being a sarcastic prat.
Meow, totally get where you are coming from assuredly. I'd murder him personally as a parent. I'd also make that suicide note come true on my daughter. Make me worry like that!
Well obviously the plan was set to fail, it's so convoluted and so...awkward it makes the stooges grasp at riches seem logical and concise. I'd not be shocked to learn it was a 50/50.
At the end of this all what the parents think hardly matters, when* a "parent" thinks hardly matters this is a job for "society" IE Law to take over, sure they can press charges but meh, circumstances make for a people versus case rather than a direct charge.
Thusly it's pretty much out of everyones hands.
Editted: Crazy grammar structure somewhere in there. I think it was due to removing a possible troll situation or perhaps lack of coffee.
The only ones to blame here are the girls parents. Juveniles have to be under constant control while endeavoring in internet activities AND with a time limit.
Barbarism is not an argument.
Did it ever occur to you that what you think is best for your daughter might not be what is really best for your daughter? And that she might hate you if you for thinking that it's a parent's duties is to kill, maim, torture and destroy? That she might even *gasp* fake her suicide only to escape your ill-guided parental "love"?
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Lol well im not sure how the parents are solely to blame, I mean when I was a child, my parents did follow me 24/7 , I had a lot of freedom, and would be far from supervison many times.
Dosnt mean I would fake my death and steal, and kill and rape and stock little kids. No matter how hard you try you cant stop everythiing your child does, makes me wonder how many of you are parents. And if you are and you follow your child 100% and keep them on leash and cant ever trust them, then I fell sorry for your child, what a shitty childhood it would be.
Well if she was on the plane already with 12 years , both could have made it to a country where its legal ?
Germany starts at 16 with parents beein ok with it.
I guess thers countrys that allows relationsships even earlier.
Problem is , the 12 year old girl was probably in way over her head...
So, good that she didnt wake up in a diffrent country, married and pregnant.
Of course it's an argument. Or are you going to suggest that humans have completely evolved beyond our past? That we are, in fact, actually civilized, not just externally, but internally as well?
Barbarism is a very useful tool for understanding human behavior. I understand there's a purpose to society, and law, but to suggest that because we have society and law and societal contracts that all previous underlying natures are now null and void, seems sort of naive to me.
Also, of course parents aren't perfect, but they should try their best, and what the hell kind of logic is 'I think this is best for my daughter, but I won't do it because hey, I might be wrong!'? You do what you think is best. Because you think it's the best. Seems pretty straightforward to me. You try and find out what's the best, then execute it.
... and have you ever really watched animals? They do NOT KID AROUND when people mess with their babies. That's just the way life is hardwired, because if parents (Especially parents with long breeding times and single children) don't do their best to protect their children, well, that sort of gene becomes recessive the fast track way.
I'm not saying that I'm going to have a huge mass grave out back where I put every guy who looks crosseyed at my daughter, but that's only because civilization is there to make sure I don't have to. :T
In addition, you justify violent parental intervention because "all bets are off" when you approach these "primal behaviors," yet someone else was making the argument that you can't blame the guy for pursuing a young girl because the attraction is a primal behavior. So, acting out against the 18 year, within your worldview, would be irrational. Would he not be justified in his actions just like the parent? Of Course not, but not within your argument.
^------ He poses a good argument and also this leads to this.
It's also human nature to find the easiest mate one can to reproduce be it 12 year old or 19 year olds.
So we could go to say, we can't blame anyone because it's "human nature" (that is a scientific fact human nature does not exist.)
So if it's the nature of the beast, of animals even (What dog goes..oh well that one is only 1 years old and I am 7" really?
/devils advocate.
You've got it backwards. Like I said, I'm not going to preemptively murder some kid.
Probably.
Society's rules are there to PROTECT people. Not just the potential victims, but the people who end up breaking the rules were protected by those rules before they broke them. When you start doing wrong behavior, you've veered off the path of society, and that's when things can start going bad.
It's like when a burglar breaks into your house with a knife and you end up killing them. We're not supposed to kill people, but all bets are off when somebody else goes bad first.
I'm restricting my murderous impulses to narrow eyed scowls, so in return and in thankfulness for my strict adherence to the social contract we've all entered in, under similar circumstances to the ones in this post, the 18 year old boy should restrict his stupid impulses to writing sad poetry.
Because that's what 18 year olds should be doing. Writing sad crappy poetry nobody wants to read, that they feel makes them really deep.
because then I won't have to punch them! (Unless they try to get me to read their poetry. Which is creepy AND probably legal grounds for punching to begin).
18 going on 37. Cripes. Nice hairline...ya creep.
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this is a blantant inflammatory remark. You obviously aren't a parent. What the two of them did on the internet is of little concern as far as hurting her goes. He arranged for her to fly UNSUPERVISED on an airlne. He arraigned for them to live in an abandoned house near his parents home. If he didn't come up with the idea for the suicide note, he ACTIVELY encouraged her to write a note to her parents that she KILLED herself.
Where is it that her parents failed again? If my daughter wants to be online, you're saying that I have to hover over her? I shouldn't let her online but for a few minutes at a time? This girl was 11 years old. I agree she must be monitored, but where did her parents CONSPIRE to have her act like this? It's not her parents fault. It's the boys fault. Her parents did not handle this in the best manner.
They probably tried to handle it like many of you are suggesting...by encouraging her to not talk to him, etc. Sometimes the best way to get a child to do something...is to do nothing or very little. However, no matter what the parents did...they didn't buy her a plane ticket, nor arrange for her to live several states away.
You should be ashamed to leave such an asinine comment. The good thing is that karma is around for all of you that think like this.
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I don't care about the entire post save this part.
I believe it's legal in NY to kill a man for making you read poetry. Something about greenwhich and the sheer amount of poets accosting men.
If not it should be. TO THE SUPREME COURT I GO!
Wut? No, in austria and germany, it's 14 and the parent's opinion doesn't matter. For kids younger than 14, the age difference matters.
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Funny how everyone blames parents / the guy but noone mentions the girl beeing flat out stupid.
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